In Nichiren Shoshu: Daily Care of the Gohonzon
Mr T
Monthly.
Daily Care of the Gohonzon
The Meaning of Offering the Water,
the Evergreens, Light and Fragrance
Attitude in the Daily Serving of the Gohonzon
To establish the Law in our lives, we have customary behavior that is a
vital part of this Buddhist practice. The way we do Gongyo, how we
enshrine the Gohonzon, and the way we behave in the presence of the
Buddha are extremely significant. Although these actions are often
called formalities, their meaning is extremely profound, and they have
far reaching effect in our own ability to be able to manifest
enlightenment. Any teaching or Law must be accompanied by action, and
these observances are the gate to enter the world of the Buddha.
A personąs conduct in the presence of the Buddha is a manifestation of
faith and its meaning is paramount. If we neglect these rituals, what
follows is a disorderly lifestyle, laxity of faith, and eventually
discarding the teaching. Judging from this, we can see how important it
is to our faith to learn the correct observances of Nichiren Shoshu.
These rituals were set by our founder Nichiren Daishonin, and have been
followed exactly for the last 700 years. This is clearly indicated by
Nichiren Daishonin in the Gosho:
Those who call themselves my disciples and practice the Lotus Sutra
should all practice as I do. (Establishing the Four Bodhisattvas as the
Object of Worship)
Thus, we must understand the importance of following and practicing His
teachings, observing and preserving them precisely and solemnly.
Letąs turn to the matter of serving, or taking daily care of the
Gohonzon. The original model for this appears in the Devadatta chapter
of the Lotus Sutra, and tells of how one should continually remain at
the Buddhaąs side and serve Him as exemplified by "collecting fruits,
drawing water, gathering firewood, and preparing meals".
In other words, caring for the Gohonzon is something you do without
begrudging any effort; as expressed in an old poem:
The Lotus Sutra
All I have gained, I have gained through serving:
Gathering firewood, picking vegetables, and drawing water.
We model our attitude and behavior in our own Buddhist practice after
the examples set by Nikko Shonin and Nichimoku Shonin. Nikko Shonin
stayed continually by the Daishoninąs side to serve Him, following Him
almost like a shadow; and Nichimoku Shonin is said to have developed a
small depression on his head from carrying a bucket of water on the top
of it to the Daishoninąs hut at Mount Minobu. We should always remember
that their attitudes in serving the Daishonin should be models for our
own behavior when we serve the Gohonzon. Nikko Shonin is our model for
the correct attitude in faith, and we should look to Nichimoku Shonin to
learn how to further develop our practice. They both show us that
nothing surpasses service to the Master on the way to becoming a Buddha.
Faith has always been the central tenet of Nichiren Shoshu, and
particularly doing Gongyo and taking care of the Gohonzon are the most
fundamental. It is the very starting point of Buddhist practice. More
than anything else it needs to be done with an attitude of showing our
gratefulness to Nichiren Daishonin for allowing us to practice and
attain the life condition of Buddhahood.
In serving the Gohonzon, the fundamental point is to have a solemn
attitude and to recognize that we are in the presence of the True
Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin, whose life is in the Gohonzon. Whenever we
make any type of offering we try to have the feeling that He is right
there in front of us.
The following acts are considered offerings to the Buddha. Every
morning, we clean the altar, and offer fresh water. During morning and
evening Gongyo, we light candles and incense to dignify the space in
front of the Gohonzon. When we ring the bell, we should do so with
sincerity and serenity as we make an offering of sound to the Gohonzon.
Lighting the candles is a means of offering light, and signifies burning
the confusion, suffering, and impurities in our hearts and kindling the
flame of the Buddhaąs wisdom. Burning incense is an act of sincerely
offering fresh, purifying fragrance to the Gohonzon.
In essence, we should constantly accompany, serve, believe in, and
submit ourselves to the Buddha by starting every day and finishing every
day together with the Gohonzon in our homes. This principle was taught
by the Daishonin in the Ongi Kuden, "Morning by morning, awaken with the
Buddha; night by night, retire with the Buddha." (Shinpen, p. 1749) The
most important part of our practice is to do Gongyo day and night,
without fail.
Faith derives from dignifying our daily practice and the manner in which
we carry it out are our means for manifesting faith.
Nichiko Shonin wrote:
The "manner of practice" starts with drawing water, picking evergreens
(for offering) and vegetables (for the Buddhaąs meals), and gathering
firewood and our other routine daily chores. The manner of practice is
crucial to the observances in this school. Though we say faith first,
practice second, study third, without practice there would be no way to
bring faith forth, and all study would be futile.
Water
Water is so important to peopleąs lives, that itąs sometimes even deemed
the mother of all life. The act of offering water to the Gohonzon first
thing in the morning is very meaningful.
In Nichiren Daishoninąs day, the first water drawn from the well was
offered to the Gohonzon. For this reason, we set aside the first water
out of the kitchen tap (or new bottled) for offering to the Gohonzon
immediately before doing morning Gongyo, and then we remove it from the
altar before doing evening Gongyo.
When you offer the water, put the freshly poured water into a cup and
with both hands, offer it to the Gohonzon. Kneel in an upright position,
chant the Daimoku three times, and recite the following silent prayer:
I offer this water in devotion to the Three Treasures of the True
Buddhism and to express my gratitude for their kindness,
Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.
Lastly, ring the bell three times and chant the Daimoku three times
again. We leave the lid for the water cup open during the daytime, and
replace the lid on top of the water cup when we have removed the water
in the evening.
There are two deep meanings behind this practice. One is the function of
water is to wash away filth and impurity. Even if water itself is
unclean, its function is to purify and remove filth. This refers to the
function of chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, which lets you remove the
"filth" from your life by extinguishing your own bad karma and past
slander. The second meaning is that just as water flows from a high
place downward to lower ones, the Buddhaąs compassion and mercy flows
from the heights of the world of Buddhahood downward to equally benefit
all life in the lower nine worlds.
Evergreens, Incense and Candles
To dignify the space in front of the Gohonzon, we use a vase for greens,
an incense burner (for fragrance), and a white candle (for light). These
are called the three complements. A variant of this, intended to even
further grace the altarąs surroundings, is a set of five complements: a
pair of vases, an incense burner, and a pair of candlesticks. It doesnąt
matter which set we choose, but please be sure to place the incense
burner and the candles so that any smoke and soot from them doesnąt
drift into the altar.
The deep meaning behind using either the three or five complements are
as follows:
Facing the Gohonzon, the light (candle) on the right means the light of
the Buddhaąs wisdom, or His property of wisdom; the greens on the left,
the Buddhaąs conduct, or His property of action; and the incense in the
middle, the life of the Buddha or the property of the Law. This is the
fusion of the realm of the Original Infinite Law and the inherent wisdom
of the Buddha of time without beginning. The incense was originally made
by seasoning aromatic wood, so burning it in the middle of our altar
signifies the union into the floating smoke of the flame and the greens
on the right and left. Overall, this expresses the Buddha, whose
property of the Law inherently encompasses the wisdom, and the conduct
resulting from His property of action. In other words, the greens,
incense, and candles represent the Three Enlightened Properties, the
Three Truths, and the Three Inherent Potentials of the Buddha Nature,
all extremely profound Buddhist concepts.
Letąs break these down even further:
1. The light on the right represents non‹substantiality and the property
of wisdom in death;
2. The incense in the middle represents the Middle Way, the property of
the Law, and the fusion of the realm of the Original Infinite Law and
the inherent wisdom of the Buddha of the remote past;
3. The greens on the left represent temporary existence and the property
of action in life.
To summarize, the "greens on the left" is made into incense, ignited
with the "light on the right," and burned in the incense burner in the
middle as an offering that will drift evenly throughout the ten
directions of the realm of the Law. When these three thus complement
each other to form a single unity, they become a complete offering of
the Three Properties of the Law, wisdom, and action of the Buddha.
Traditionally in Nichiren Shoshu the shikimi (greens) that represent the
property of action is made into incense, and this is lit with the flame
of wisdom that represents the property of wisdom. Together, they fill
the realm of the Law. Thus it is called the offering of the Buddhaąs
Three Properties of the Law, wisdom, and action. You can see from this
how deeply profound and meaningful our offerings to the Gohonzon are.
a. Greens
In Nichiren Shoshu, we offer the leaves of the shikimi tree which grow
in Japan and evergreens for the United States. The "greens" used to
adorn the space before the eternal and supreme Gohonzon, should be
something symbolic of permanence and purity. Shikimi is the traditional
green used in Japan because it is an evergreen that always displays
vitality. Itąs wood also has a distinctive fragrance which is thought to
ward off evil and to have the power to purify. That is why it is
considered the perfect green for offering to the Gohonzon. Since it is
almost impossible to obtain shikimi outside of Japan, pines, evergreens,
or any other green is acceptable.
Colorful flowers, although beautiful, wither after a while and fall to
the ground. To the Buddhist, this indicates impermanence. For this
reason they are inappropriate for offering to the True Buddha who
teachings will last and spread for ten thousand years.
Instead, we offer evergreens because of their two significant
characteristics: color and fragrance. Its deep green color makes it
suitable as "the flower" to be offered to the Gohonzon as a symbol of
the permanence of the Gohonzon (the Law) and its great compassionate
beneficence, which is eternal and transcends the past, present, and
future. They also represent the unchanging stability of a believersą
faith. Please donąt let your offering greens dry up on your altar.
b) Fragrance (incense)
We use the fragrance of incense as an offering to adorn and dignify the
space in front of the Buddha, bearing in mind that the fragrance
signifies purifying our bodies. It is customary in India, due to the
tropical climate to release fragrance into clothes and rooms and apply
it to the body as a means of driving off insects, bad smells and to
reduce body odor. In Buddhism, fragrances have traditionally been used
in the performance of services. Fragrant powders were made of
sandalwood, aloes wood, or other aromatic woods and were sprinkled on
prayer towers and images as an offering. Perfumes were applied to the
Buddhaąs body, and incense burned to ward off evil and spread the merits
of practice evenly throughout the world.
Nowadays we use two types of fragrance, stick incense and powdered
incense. Stick incense is primarily used, and on special occasions we
also burn powdered incense.
The fragrance of incense includes the virtues of the Buddha of the Law
Body of the Middle Way. Thus burning incense, while spreading fragrance
throughout the room, also signifies the universality of the realm of the
Law of the Buddhaąs property of the Law. So whenever we do Gongyo or
chant Daimoku, it is critical that we burn incense with sincerity and a
deep awareness of what this act truly means.
Whichever complement we use, we always place the incense burner at the
center. We use one or three sticks of incense, the burning end on the
left, and place them on their side, rather than standing them straight
up. This represents serenity. This is the most natural position, since
it will keep your altar and the Gohonzon from being burned by embers,
and prevent the ashes from scattering which signifies loss of
concentration and mental balance. We even out the ashes in the burner
and are careful not to soil the surroundings by letting them spill over.
c) Light (candles)
Since light extinguishes darkness and makes all things visible, it
expresses the wisdom of the Buddha. We also have expressions like "Light
of the Law," "Light of the Buddha," and "Light of Wisdom." Burning
candles thus also signifies incinerating earthly desires and manifesting
the flame of wisdom of the Buddha nature.
d) Conduct before the Gohonzon
1. When cleaning the altar and presenting offerings, we always put a
leaf or paper between our lips to keep from breathing on the Gohonzon.
2. Our altar is the home of the Gohonzon, please try to keep it clean
and dignified. We never forget to change the water for the greens.
3. We never place photos inside the altar, place things on top of the
altar, or hang anything on the wall above it.
4. Whenever we do our morning or evening prayers, we dress appropriately
as if we are having an audience with the Buddha.
As you can see from the explanation above, everything involved in our
Buddhist practice is extremely significant, and has deep spiritual
meanings that may be far beyond our immediate understanding. By trying
to perfect our practice of faith and mastering these fundamentals, we
will be able to bring out the highest qualities of Nichiren Daishoninąs
teachings in our own lives, attaining a high condition of life, that
will give us the power and wisdom to solve all our problems, and fulfill
all our dreams. b
(Readers note: This article was complied in the Overseas Bureau Study
Committee, and edited by the NSM staff.)
--
Kurt
MarcInMD
Water is so important to people零 lives, that it零 sometimes even deemed
thing in the morning is very meaningful.
out of the kitchen tap (or new bottled) for offering to the Gohonzon
immediately before doing morning Gongyo, and then we remove it from the
altar before doing evening Gongyo.
When you offer the water, put the freshly poured water into a cup and
with both hands, offer it to the Gohonzon. Kneel in an upright position,
chant the Daimoku three times, and recite the following silent prayer:
I offer this water in devotion to the Three Treasures of the True
Buddhism and to express my gratitude for their kindness,
There you go ! Now in this thread a Nichiren Sho Shu member said its okay to
throw the water on the lawn or give it to the dog after use.I think he is not
really following the spirit of Nichiren Sho Shu as I have just read it here.
Lets reverse his suggestion. Would you use water FROM the dog bowl or run off
FROM the lawn and offer it to the Gohonzon?. Cerainly not.
Anyhow, except for moody Dave, I think we have all learned a bit more about
all this. Alter care is very important in HBS as well and there are strict
rules about how to clean the alter (for example, we use two seperate cleaning
clothes, one for the outside and one for the Butsuu and inside of the Butsudan)
and how to make the offerings etc.
I dont think any of the sects vary too much on these points.
Mr T
>
> There you go ! Now in this thread a Nichiren Sho Shu member said its okay
> to
> throw the water on the lawn or give it to the dog after use.I think he is
> not
> really following the spirit of Nichiren Sho Shu as I have just read it
> here.
> Lets reverse his suggestion. Would you use water FROM the dog bowl or run
> off
> FROM the lawn and offer it to the Gohonzon?. Cerainly not.
The point is that this is what Nichiren Shoshu teaches.
There are no "Temple Nazis" going around policing people on this. It's
up to the individual to understand the significance and apply it.
--
Kurt
dc
>>>>>>>>>>>>I dont think any of the sects vary too much on these
points.<<<<<<<<<<<<
The day that Nichiren Shoshu starts selling special magic water is the day
the world comes to an end.
--
Copyright @ David Cole 2001
Cody
"dc" <dc...@ojai.net> escribió en el mensaje
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Could you post the url where this water is sold? I couldn't find it on the
url that Richard always posts.
Cody
dc
the
url that Richard always posts.
Cody>>>
here 'tis
http://www.butsuryushu.or.jp/en/water.htm
Drink up
dc
Cody
bottles on this page for sale, Marc? Richard?
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dc
from their website:
>>>>>>>Why is just thinking about things in your mind considered sins?
It is because there is a deep subconscious soul called Arayashiki, which has
the power to store everything one did, thought and said. Those behaviors
become seeds, which are stored in the Arayashiki. These seeds becomes the
spiritual energy that builds your destiny. Let's say, you cursed someone.
That curse becomes a bad seed and is instantly sowed into the Arayashiki.
That bad seed will grow into an energy which will affect one's destiny in a
bad way. Let's say, you ridiculed someone within your mind. That act becomes
a bad seed, which is planted in the Arayashiki, and you will someday be
ridiculed by someone. Moreover, the seeds planted in the Arayashiki will
continue to live even after the body ceases to exist. In short, the
Arayashiki is the core of birth and death. You carry within your soul the
bad seeds which were accumulated from the past world.
In America and Canada, hypnosis is being presently used to delve into one's
past world. Some clients undergoing this treatment begin to cry after seeing
their past sinful acts, thought and speech. The bad seeds imbedded in the
soul cause various misfortunes and calamities. These are called "sins". As
long as the sins are kept in the Arayashiki, misfortunes and calamities will
befall to us at any time. Unless the bad seeds are filtered and eradicated,
true happiness and peace cannot be attained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Haha! And "it is a sin to throw it away" (the magic water).
So watch out you for those bad seeds.
Richard W. Torgerson
>bottles on this page for sale, Marc? Richard?
As you probably have read a millions times now, the answer is "no".
This is a good time to also say that at no time in any fashion whatsoever, has
anyone from HBS, lay or priest, ever advised me to make a donation of any size
for any purpose whatsoever. Everything I have had bestowed upon me from this
organization has been given without any condition beyond maintaining faith in
the Lotus Sutra and the teahcings of Nichiren Daishi.
I hope this puts an end to this ridiculous, insulting and hallucinatory line of
discussion Dave has created here.
Regards,
Richard
http://www.butsuryushu.org/
(to reply via e-mail, remove nospam from the address)
dc
>bottles on this page for sale, Marc? Richard?
As you probably have read a millions times now, the answer is "no".
This is a good time to also say that at no time in any fashion whatsoever,
has
anyone from HBS, lay or priest, ever advised me to make a donation of any
size
for any purpose whatsoever. Everything I have had bestowed upon me from
this
organization has been given without any condition beyond maintaining faith
in
the Lotus Sutra and the teahcings of Nichiren Daishi.
I hope this puts an end to this ridiculous, insulting and hallucinatory line
of
discussion Dave has created here.
Regards,
Richard....................
Yes richard now we believe it. You sect lives on air. No donations ever
happen. I bet we will find out more on this WATER SCAM.
Cody
incentive to join and then give donations?
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jussi
Jussi.
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Is "Arayashiki" mentioned anywhere in the "Ten Major Gosho"????
Jussi.
they are referring to the eighth consciousness. They botched it
Richard W. Torgerson
happen.<<
Now that's not what I said is it? We do not make delivery of goods and
services conditional on donations. Our support comes from those who wish to
donate on an unconditional basis, the same way any responsible religious
organization gets support. We recently received substantial pledges from a
large group of people that will allow us to greatly expand our shakubuku
activities in our local area.
dc
-- >>You sect lives on air. No donations ever
happen.<<
Now that's not what I said is it? We do not make delivery of goods and
services conditional on donations. Our support comes from those who wish to
donate on an unconditional basis, the same way any responsible religious
organization gets support. We recently received substantial pledges from a
large group of people that will allow us to greatly expand our shakubuku
activities in our local area.
Regards,
Richard<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Well you need to reconsider your attendance at events held by that H20-BS
Icky-poo
dc
Richard W. Torgerson
>incentive to join and then give donations?
>--
>Cody
This is probably a reasonable assumption to make given your history in the NSA
cult, where any and all justifications were used to drag people in to fill the
pews. However, in real religious organizations, people support the
organization of their choice by their own free will and faith. As Nichiren
Daishi taught, manifest evidence is very important to faith and sometimes that
manifest evidence comes from the seemingly miraculous results of one's
practice. In the NSA cult you may have heard the term "benefit".
Cody
"Richard W. Torgerson" <rtorg...@aol.comnospam> escribió
> >incentive to join and then give donations?
> >--
> >Cody
>
> This is probably a reasonable assumption to make given your history in the
NSA
> cult, where any and all justifications were used to drag people in to fill
the
> pews. However, in real religious organizations, people support the
> organization of their choice by their own free will and faith. As
Nichiren
> Daishi taught, manifest evidence is very important to faith and sometimes
that
> manifest evidence comes from the seemingly miraculous results of one's
> practice. In the NSA cult you may have heard the term "benefit".
>
>
> Regards,
> Richard
Despite your personal attacks on me, why are these "benefits" on your web
site if not to attract new members? Why do you even HAVE a web site if not
to attract new members? Did you only put it up for David Cole and me?
Richard W. Torgerson
>site if not to attract new members? Why do you even HAVE a web site if not
>to attract new members?
To let people know where we are coming from, and to enable a mechanism of
communicating with us in the event people like what they see. That's the
purpose of our web site. The web sites you refer with all those experiences
are maintained by others. You'll have to ask them what they had in mind.
Cody
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> >Despite your personal attacks on me, why are these "benefits" on your web
> >site if not to attract new members? Why do you even HAVE a web site if
not
> >to attract new members?
>
> To let people know where we are coming from, and to enable a mechanism of
> communicating with us in the event people like what they see. That's the
> purpose of our web site. The web sites you refer with all those
experiences
> are maintained by others. You'll have to ask them what they had in mind.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
It doesn´t take a rocket scientist to figure out why these miraculous cures
are documented on the site. Only one reason: to recruit new members. Ever
heard of "bait and switch"?
Cody
http://www.bsi.com.br/~hagihara/hbs2i.html
Nice, ready-to-download-and-print-a-la-Ross mandala here.
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Richard W. Torgerson
>
>http://www.bsi.com.br/~hagihara/hbs2i.html
>
>Nice, ready-to-download-and-print-a-la-Ross mandala here.
That's not a gohonzon used as such by the HBS. It's merely a work of art.
I'm glad that this discussion is motivating you and Dave and perhaps some
others to peruse the HBS sites that are out there. Who knows? You might learn
something.
Cody
"Richard W. Torgerson" <rtorg...@aol.comnospam> escribió
> >Er, Richard, check out this HBS Blazil (LOL) page:
> >
> >http://www.bsi.com.br/~hagihara/hbs2i.html
> >
> >Nice, ready-to-download-and-print-a-la-Ross mandala here.
>
> That's not a gohonzon used as such by the HBS. It's merely a work of art.
It says it is a mandala on the site. Whether it is or not is irrevelant to
my point.
> I'm glad that this discussion is motivating you and Dave and perhaps some
> others to peruse the HBS sites that are out there. Who knows? You might
learn
> something.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
Yeah, don´t join HBS.
Reginald Carpenter
11:21pm CDT+5.
Re: In Nichiren Shoshu: Daily Care of the Gohonzon
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Wed, May 2, 2001, 11:21pm (CDT+5) From: hokkeko...@yahoo.com
(jussi)
>>> Is "Arayashiki" mentioned anywhere in the "Ten Major Gosho"????
Jussi. <--- #1.
1) RC comments: Answer - "Yes," of course it is, because that is just
another authentic Nichiren Buddhism, the Nichiren Shoshu, doctrine or
teaching, of course, Jussie! LOL.
However, the above word, "Arayashiki," should have been translated &
spelled as the word, "alaya-shiki," to be pronounced correctly in the
English language.
Anyway, the concept/ term, "alaya consciousness", or the eighth (8th)
consciousness, is found in the "Kaimoku Sho" - Opening of the Eyes Gosho
which is also one of the top Five (5) Major Writings (Gosho), as well as
being one of the top Ten (10) Major Writings (Gosho) as listed by the
2nd High Priest, Nikko Shonin. WorldPeace! } : < { 0
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Re: In Nichiren Shoshu: Daily Care of the Gohonzon
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
(Richard W. Torgerson)
I don't see where they sell this water mentioned on this page. Are these
bottles on this page for sale, Marc? Richard?
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Richard:
>>> As you probably have read a millions times now, the answer is "no".
<--- #1.
1) RC comments: Well, in "regards" to that, I/we already know that,
Richie - FOOL! LOL.
That, that is only "DC" - Dave Cole - just trying to "copycat" me on
Arbn and "busting your balls" by giving you all fanatic-al & heretic-al
and ILLogical HBS (mess!) priests & laity the "razz-berries" about your
practice of making a daily offering of water to your COUNTERFEIT
Gohonzons, the HBS (mess!) HAPPyON HAha No-honzons, in order to make
yourselves "holy water" or "sacred water," nka. HAPPyON-HAha holy water
to drink Up everyday in that fanatic-al & heretic-al HBS (mess!) - the
Honmon Butsuryu Shu, nka. HAPPyON-HAha
Bullsh*t Slingers & HAha holy water drunkards sect of UNauthentic
Nichiren Buddhism, of course! ROTFL & LMAO.
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This is a good time to also say that at no time in any fashion
whatsoever, has anyone from HBS, lay or priest, ever advised me to make
a donation of any size for any purpose whatsoever. Everything I have had
bestowed upon me from this organization has been given without any
condition beyond maintaining faith in the Lotus Sutra and the teahcings
of Nichiren Daishi.
>>> I hope this puts an end to this ridiculous, insulting and
hallucinatory line of discussion Dave has created here. <--- #2.
Regards,
Richard
2) RC comments: See above #1. Well, in "regards" to that, I really hope
for your own sake that YOU put an end to your ridiculous & hallucinatory
hope that this insulting line of DC - Dissin' & Cussin' or Dis-Cuss-ion
(discussion) will ever end on Arbn: "Where the Fun Never Stops!", Richie
- FOOL! ROTFL. War. } : < { 0
Richard W. Torgerson
>for your own sake that YOU put an end to your ridiculous & hallucinatory
>hope that this insulting line of DC - Dissin' & Cussin' or Dis-Cuss-ion
>(discussion) will ever end on Arbn: "Where the Fun Never Stops!", Richie
>- FOOL! ROTFL. War. } : < { 0
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>Airborne in Cyberspace*
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within, as in the above observation. Don't let it get to your head though
Stoneguy. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day!
jussi
whta he was referring to...but Marc likes to use the terminology of his
group a lot of which I am not familiar with...
Jussi.
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Richard W. Torgerson
>whta he was referring to...but Marc likes to use the terminology of his
>group a lot of which I am not familiar with...
>Jussi.
Let's review. Marc said nothing of this subject. You surfed our website and
asked about the arayashiki and challenged us to find it in Nikko Shonin's list
of ten major Gosho. Putting aside the fact that the list of Gosho generated by
the founder of your lineage might not be the same as what HBS considers most
important, before either Marc or I could respond, two NST members answered for
us. Fact is the arayashiki is pretty standard and accepted stuff in Buddhism.
jussi
Jussi.
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