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Cody
MarcInMD
I challenged you two days ago to pick any serious doctrinal topic and debate it
through with me. You will never do that ( cluck cluck)
In the meantime, youre gonna get back what you dish out. We can go high or we
can go low... you guys are the ones setting the pace. Just dont be soooo
shocked when you get your methods thrown back in your face.
Pick a topic, big talker, and state your case... you know how to find me.
Cody
MarcInMD
Pick a topic, big talker, and state your case...
cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck
john petry
"Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote in message
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permission to share
"A response to questions from Soka Gakkai practitioners
regarding the
similarities and differences among Nichiren Shu, Nichiren
Shoshu and
the Soka Gakkai"
by Rev. Shoryo Tarabini
Question:
I have been practicing Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism for
the last ten
years in the SGI. I have heard some people have had
negative
experiences with the Soka Gakkai and would like to know
what you
think about this organization. This is also not because
of idle
curiosity or frivolous motives, but to deeply understand
what is
going wrong in the organization that has introduced us to
this
practice. Over the last few years we too have seen a
number of
negative aspects, and this has troubled us. It has not
always been
possible to speak out, as you are probably more aware
than us. So
please do be brutally frank, if you have to, without
worrying about
upsetting us! Also, please explain to me some of the
differences between Nichiren Shu, Nichiren Shoshu and
the Soka
Gakkai. We hope we
are not imposing on you and you do not mind receiving
this e-mail
from us. With warmest regards.
Reply:
Thank you for your e-mail and sincere question today.
Now, about the
Soka Gakkai... I must say I honestly do hesitate to write
about them,
and this has contributed greatly in my delay in
responding to you. As
you know we are both Buddhists and the Buddhist way is to
not to
speak ill of others, especially in regards to fellow
Buddhists.
Therefore, in response to your query, please allow me to
speak about
the Soka Gakkai based on Buddhist thought, history and
doctrine.
The Soka Gakkai Practice
In regards to the Soka Gakkai's manner in observance of
Buddhist
practice, although I do not always agree with their
particular
methods or style of propagation, I must say that it is
wonderful that
they teach people to chant the Lotus Sutra and Odaimoku
of Namu Myoho
Renge Kyo. They are very sincere in this. Also they study
very much,
this is also a very positive point. What is important to
remember is
that you have met the Lotus Sutra and that you are
embracing faith
right now. It is because of your relationship with the
Buddha in the
past that you have been able to encounter the Lotus Sutra
today. For
this you should be grateful to whoever introduced you to
the Lotus
Sutra and the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin.
However, even though they put an extreme amount of effort
to promote
peace and culture, strangely enough this organization
seems to have a
very low tolerance level towards other religions, and
especially
towards other Buddhists from schools other than their own
particular
group. As you know, today their current biggest enemy is
the priests
and believers of their own ex-mother organization of
Nichiren Shoshu
and their ex-Head Temple, Taisekiji. In fact, they have
been in a
virtual war with each other for nearly 12 years, since
1990. This
alone, to me speaks volumes of who they really are and
what they
actually believe. It is a stark contrast to the very
compassionate
teachings of the Lord Buddha. Even though Nichiren
Daishonin who
lived during the Medieval times in Japan was a very
strict man, he
himself was filled with great tolerance and immense
compassion.
What the Buddha Taught
The Lord Buddha Sakyamuni taught us to have the same
compassion for
others, whether they are Buddhist or not. He also
encouraged us to
have the desire to reach out and save others, thinking
not solely of
our own selves and our own well being. That is the spirit
of the
Bodhisattva, for which I am sure you are very aware. The
Bodhisattva's vow is to strive for enlightenment, the Way
of the
Buddha, while trying to save others and help all those
around him to
be free from suffering. This is the very heart of
Buddhist faith,
practice and philosophy. If we do not have this
fundamental spirit
deeply planted within our hearts, faith and understanding
of
Buddhism, the teachings we claim to observe are not truly
Buddhism.
In the Lotus Sutra, Sakyamuni Buddha specifically taught
in Chapter 2
that contrary to his previous teachings, that in reality
people from
the two vehicles of Shomon and Engaku (in Gakkai terms...
people from
the worlds of listening and absorption, but in
traditional Buddhism,
they are people who have directly heard the voice of the
Buddha and
the Pratyekabuddhas - people who have come to a form of
enlightenment
or understanding on their own accord) could not attain
perfect
enlightenment. However, in chapter 2 the Hoben Chapter,
Sakyamuni
states that all people can attain Buddhahood and the
portal or door
towards that enlightenment is through nothing other than
faith. In
later chapters he gives examples using parables as
easy-to-understand
illustrative examples of this doctrine. For example, he
compares the
compassion of the Buddha in Chapter 5 to the clouds which
rain
equally on all - whether they are large, medium or small
trees, or
merely bushes or even grasses. Everything and everyone
equally
receives the great compassion of the Buddha, everyone can
attain
enlightenment, just as the rain falls equally on everyone
- that is
the true compassion and desire or hope of the Buddha for
all beings.
To show you a further example of the Buddha's great
compassion even
when confronted by people who despised and hated him, who
even
attempted to destroy his work and kill him, we need only
look to
chapter 12 - the Devadatta chapter of the Lotus Sutra.
Here,
Sakyamuni Buddha predicts that Devadatta will without a
doubt, become
a Buddha. In chapter 2, there were five hundred arrogant
monks who
walked out and then turned their backs on Sakyamuni
Buddha, but the
Buddha taught that they too would become Buddhas. This is
the spirit
of the Buddha and all his teachings, and it is the very
heart and guiding force of the Lotus Sutra. This same
compassion is
what
Nichiren Daishonin embraced and encourages us all to
embrace. If we
say we believe, study and practice the Lotus Sutra, then
having a war
for 12 years with priests and believers of your own
original school,
not to mention having ill will towards other Buddhists or
religious
groups who do not belong to the your personal faction or
mode of
belief, then we can not truly say we have the same spirit
as the
Buddha. It is also highly anti-social and destructive.
Something our
world today cannot afford.
I'll give you another example -- the great Buddhas of
Bamiyan. When I
was visiting Mumbai last year, I heard that the Taliban
threatened to
blow them up. I was shocked and amazed that they could
even consider
doing such a horrible thing. After I left India, they did
indeed keep
their promise and destroyed the images of the Buddha,
which had stood
there for many centuries. I was angry, as were many
others upon
hearing the sad news. However, I also knew deep within my
heart, and
I told my congregations in both Japan and Italy, "Please
watch... the
Taliban now will fall because of their terrible deed. It
is the
beginning of the end for them." In fact, now looking upon
the events
of the past year, since they destroyed the sacred images
of the
Buddha, they did indeed fall. However, when they blew up
the statues,
I also told the believers in my congregation, " Do not
hate these
Taliban people. They will fall; they will now meet their
end - due to
their own actions and nothing else. However, we must also
profoundly
realize that like Devadatta who tried to murder the
Buddha 3,000
years ago, the Taliban people who committed this
horrendous act have
formed a very profound and strong bond with the very
Buddha they
tried to destroy. Mind you, the bond is a negative one,
but a firm
bond with the Buddha nonetheless. And, consequently, even
though they
may fall into hell, they will eventually be saved, freed
from
suffering and someday become Buddhas themselves. This is
the
compassion of the Buddha taught in the Lotus Sutra - to
save even
those who attempt to destroy us."
There is no hatred or teaching others to despise others
in true
Buddhism, only a profound desire to eliminate suffering
from all
beings and lead them all to the true happiness of
Buddhahood. Even
demons have been converted to Buddhist faith and are
transformed into
sacred protective deities. An example of this are the
demons such as
Kishimonjin and Jurasetsunyo are on your Mandala
Gohonzon.
Therefore, I ask you to once more look at the Soka
Gakkai's style and
reflect. There is no need for me to speak ill of them and
explain all
the bad things they have done. I personally experienced
many things
from them, which caused me a lot of anguish and
suffering, but that
is the past. The most important thing is to dedicate
oneself to pure
faith and never to loose one's humility, compassion and
respect
towards others. This is living as a Buddhist.
Nichiren Shu, Nichiren Shoshu and the Soka Gakkai
I will now explain some fundamental similarities and
differences
between 1) Nichiren Shu (and most other basic Nichiren
Schools), 2)
Nichiren Shoshu and 3) the Soka Gakkai. In just one
simple e-mail,
however, I cannot possibly explain all the similarities
and
differences. I must point however, that they are all
believers of the
Lotus Sutra, recite this sutra and chant the Odaimoku of
Namu Myoho
Renge Kyo. Furthermore, all read the sacred writings of
Nichiren
Daishonin (called "Gosho" or Goibun").
In Nichiren Buddhism, there are 2 basic divisions - the
"Itchi"
and "Shoretsu" lineages. From here, other sub-divisions
and movements
grew and developed, such as the Happon-ha (Eight Volumes
lineage),
the Fuju Fuse (Don't receive from nor give alms to non
believers
lineage) and others. However, I won't discuss those
schools or
movements now.
In brief, the "Itchi" lineage read, study and recite
(chant) the
entire Lotus Sutra, with special emphasis placed on the
significance
of the 2nd and 16th chapters. However, all chapters are
considered
valid, and therefore all are recited and thoroughly
studied. In the
case of the "Shoretsu" lineage, however, they place
credence solely
in the 2nd and 16h chapters. They recite only and study
primarily
these chapters.
Shoretsu Lineage
Nichiren Shoshu and the Soka Gakkai are extremely
similar, because
their origins are the same- their basis of faith and
practice are
founded on the way of observing Nichiren Buddhist faith
as
established by Taisekiji which up until recently was the
Head Temple
of both groups. Both Nichiren Shoshu and the Soka Gakkai
(also know
as the SGI) are derived from the Shoretsu lineage.
Between the various Shoretsu schools, however, there is a
further
division. Taisekiji and consequently the whole of
Nichiren Shoshu are
derived from the lineage of one of Nichiren Daishonin's
major
disciples, Nikko Shonin. The original group of Nikko
derived schools
and temples (called the "Fuji Monryu" or Fuji lineage),
however, is
much larger. Not all these temples are part of Nichiren
Shoshu. Some
are part of Nichiren Shu, some are part of other schools,
and some
are today independent temples.
Nichiren Daishonin replaces Sakyamuni Buddha
The Nikko temples, which are connected or derived from
Taisekiji
temple, namely Nichiren Shoshu, Shoshin Kai, Kensho Kai
and the Soka
Gakkai believe that Sakyamuni Buddha is merely an
historical figure
in the overall spectrum of Buddhism. The only True or
Original Buddha
for this lineage is Nichiren Daishonin. Therefore, as a
result, for
this lineage Nichiren Daishonin's writings become even
more important
than the Lotus Sutra itself. This derivation in tradition
is quite
problematic. Although no one denies the great respect and
veneration
due Nichiren Daishonin, the near elimination of the
Buddha goes
directly against what Nichiren Daishonin preached.
Nichiren Daishonin
risked his entire life to bring the Buddhist world of
Kamakura Japan
back to orthodoxy. He was especially critical of the Pure
Land
doctrines, because they had abandoned Sakyamuni Buddha
and replaced
him with Amida Buddha as the Buddha of veneration.
Nichiren spent his
entire life trying to encourage the Buddhist schools and
people of
Japan of his era to return to basics - to return to faith
in the
Buddha Sakyamuni and his ultimate teaching of the Lotus
Sutra.
Therefore, replacing the Buddha Sakyamuni with Nichiren
Daishonin
goes directly against what the Daishonin spent his entire
life trying
to do, risking numerous persecutions, exile, starvation
and countless
attempts on his life.
This particular train of thought was taken on by
Taisekiji in the
1400s under its Ninth High Priest Nichiu Shonin and
further
emphasized by their 26th High Priest, Nichikan Shonin,
centuries
later. The origins of this line of thought, however,
began at a
temple (now independent) near Taisekiji called Nishiyama
Honmonji
temple founded by one of Nikko Shonin's disciples,
Nichidai Shonin.
However, this unique way of thought, which differs
greatly from the
traditional lineages of the Nikko or other Nichiren
schools, was
adopted primarily by Taisekiji.
One True Lineage Doctrine
When Taisekiji adopted this tradition, it caused a rift
between
itself and other Nikko temples. The other Nikko temples
felt that
Taisekiji was straying and starting to create its own
form of
Nichiren Buddhism that had never been taught either by
Nikko Shonin
or by Nichiren Daishonin. This new Taisekiji trend was
followed with
an insistence on exclusiveness, saying that only their
temple
maintained the validity of Nichiren Daishonin's
teachings. Not such
an uncommon thing amongst the various Nichiren temples.
Many competed
with each other out a sense of rivalry to insist they had
the best
temple, facilities and teachings. However, in the case of
Taisekiji,
this competitiveness further developed into a new
doctrine
of "kechimyaku" or the lifeblood of faith. This new
doctrine insisted
that only Taisekiji and its successive High Priests had
inherited the
true teachings of Nichiren Daishonin. All temples that
did not align
themselves with Taisekiji would be branded heretics. To
further
convince others that their claims were true, they created
two new
writings of Nichiren Daishonin which had never been
recorded either
by Nikko Shonin or Nichiro Shonin (two of the master's
six major
disciples) nor by Nichijo Shonin (who had been Toki
Jonin, but
received the precepts and became a priest) who collected,
documented,
catalogued and stored as many of Nichiren Daishonin's
writings as he
could. These two "new" writings called the Minobu and
Ikegami
Transfer Documents directly contradicted Nichiren
Daishonin's
directive which appointed six major disciples (Nissho,
Nichiro,
Nikko, Niko, Nitcho and Nichiji) and final wishes his
disciples to
collaborate together and equally share the responsibility
of
maintaining Nichiren Buddhism and propagating the
master's teachings.
Creation of the Daigohonzon
This finally culminated in Taisekiji's creation of the
"Daigohonzon"
from which Taisekiji claimed all other Mandala Gohonzon
gained their
power and validity. According to this new doctrine, even
a Mandala
Gohonzon written by Nichiren Daishonin himself, if it was
not in
possession by Taisekiji or a temple directly affiliated
with
Taisekiji, did not hold the life of the Buddha and could
not be
considered valid. Furthermore, this new variation in
doctrine insists
that only through a temple, priest, or Gohonzon directly
linked to
Taisekiji could a person reach salvation. Although the
Daigohonzon in
itself is a valid Mandala Gohonzon, this concept of a
super Gohonzon
that empowers all the others blatantly contradicted
Nichiren
Daishonin's teachings and consequently, created a great
feeling of
mistrust with other Nikko temples. This lead up to a
rift and
finally a division between Taisekiji and other temples of
the Fuji
lineage.
Nikko Shonin founded Taisekiji, but stayed there only
briefly,
leaving it in charge to one of his most trusted
disciples, Nichimoku
Shonin. Nikko Shonin then established nearby another
temple and
Buddhist seminary, called the Omosu Danjo (today it is
called
Kitayama Honmonji temple, -not- to be confused with the
similar
sounding Nishiyama Honmonji temple). The original Nikko
school or
Fuji lineage (before the Taisekiji break in tradition)
was comprised
of the main or head temples of: Taisekiji, Kitayama
Honmonji, Shimojo
Myorenji, Koizumi Kuonji (originally the Renzobo temple
within the
Taisekiji compound), Nishiyama Honmonji, Hota Myohonji
and Izu
Jitsujoji temples. There are may other Nikko or Fuji
Monryu temples,
these are just the eight major ones that were originally
all
affiliated with each other. Today, these main temples of
the Fuji
Lineage are affiliated in the following manner:
Taisekiji - the Head temple of Nichiren Shoshu (from this
temple was
born: the Shoshinkai, Myoshinko, Kenshokai, Soka Gakkai
and SGI)
Kitayama Honmonji - Nichiren Shu
Koizumi Kuonji - Nichiren Shu
Hota Myohonji - Independent temple
Shimojo Myorenji - Nichiren Shoshu
Nishiyama Honmonji - the Head Temple of Honmon Shoshu
Kyoto Yoboji - the Head Temple of Nichiren Honshu
Izu Jitsujoji - Nichiren Shu
Exclusivity of the Taisekiji line of schools
Interestingly, even though the Taisekiji line of schools
and groups
believe Nichiren Daishonin to be the True Buddha, Nikko
Shonin
considered Sakyamuni Buddha to be the Tathagata and
Original Master
of Buddhism, and Nichiren Daishonin as a Great
Bodhisattva, leader of
all the Jiyu no Bosatsu, or the Bodhisattvas of the
Earth. However,
after Taisekiji adopted its own unique stance with the
elimination of
Sakyamuni Buddha from the centre of Buddhism, the
creation of the
Daigohonzon and its new concept of "kechimyaku" (as the
only true
orthodox lineage and affiliation) flowing solely through
Taisekiji,
their stance became much more staunch and narrow-minded,
and no
longer permitted the feeling of a Nichiren brotherhood of
believers
which had previously existed. Under their 54th High
Priest, Nichiin
Shonin, Taisekiji broke away from the other Nikko temples
and formed
for the first time in 1912, a new and fully independent
school called
Nichiren Shoshu. The remaining Nichiren Buddhist
lineages, however,
continued in maintaining a feeling of brotherhood, even
though their
individual philosophical concepts and style of religious
observance
slightly differed.
The other groups derived from Taisekiji and Nichiren
Shoshu also
maintain as doctrine, the same feeling of exclusivity. In
other
words, each one of these groups believe that only they
possess the
true orthodox teachings of Nikko Shonin and Nichiren
Daishonin. One
must point out that this is a very interesting
phenomenon, because
until only very recently, all Nichiren priests
(regardless of the
school, even the Taisekiji priests) studied at Rissho
University,
which was founded and is owned by Nichiren Shu. Rissho
University is
currently considered the largest centre in Japan, if not
the world,
for the study and research of the Lotus Sutra and
Nichiren Buddhism.
A few years ago, before its split with the Soka Gakkai,
Taisekiji
formed its own university for its priests called Nichiren
Shoshu
University.
The Three Treasures
Finally, let's look at The Three Treasures of Buddhism,
the
fundamental basis in the observance of Buddhist faith,
understanding
and outlook in all Buddhist schools and traditions,
regardless of
country of origin:
The Three Treasures of Buddhism:
> 1) the Buddha,
> 2) the Dharma (the law or doctrine followed by the
> school), and
> 3) the Sangha (the priests, nuns and followers of the
> Buddhist
> community).
>
> These three basic elements are observed by all Buddhist
> schools and
> traditions in all countries, but can vary according to
> the school or
> lineage. Now, let's look at how they differ between
> Nichiren Shu and
> two of the Shoretsu schools of Nichiren Shoshu and the
> newer religion
> of the Soka Gakkai.
>
> Nichiren Shu:
> 1) Buddha: The Eternal Buddha Sakyamuni
> 2) Dharma: The Lotus Sutra, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo.
> 3) Sangha: Nichiren Daishonin (and on a wider scale -
> also includes
> all priests, nuns, and believers)
>
> Nichiren Shoshu:
> 1) Buddha: Nichiren Daishonin
> 2) Dharma: The Lotus Sutra, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo.
> 3) Sangha: Nikko Shonin + successive High Priests of
> Taisekiji
> Temple.
>
> Soka Gakkai (2 types):
> (A) Official doctrine in theory:
> 1) Buddha: Nichiren Daishonin
> 2) Dharma: The Lotus Sutra, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo.
> 3) Sangha: Nikko Shonin
>
> (B) The reality that is observed and practiced:
> 1) Buddha: President Ikeda
> 2) Dharma: The teachings and writings of the President
> and of the
> Soka Gakkai
> 3) Sangha: The organization of the Soka Gakkai and all
> its members.
>
> The above can be divide into 2 divisions - 1) the General
> ("So" in
> Japanese Buddhist terminology) and 2) the Specific
> ("Betsu")
> application of that doctrine. In the case of the Soka
> Gakkai, I have
> divided this into A and B, A being the General with B
> being the
> Specific applications.
>
> Itchi Lineage
>
> As a consequence of this application of the Three
> Treasures of
> Buddhism into the actual observance of religious faith,
> Nichiren Shu
> (as is the case with most Nichiren Schools other than the
> Taisekiji
> derived lineages) recites the entire Lotus Sutra, studies
> the entire
> 28 chapters of the Lotus Sutra, the other basic tenets of
> Buddhist
> thought preached by Sakyamuni Buddha and taught also by
> the Great
> Master of the Dharma, T'ien T'ai of China, and all of
> Nichiren
> Daishonin's writings. Nichiren Shoshu concentrates its
> recitation of
> the Lotus Sutra to solely the 2nd and 16th chapters. It
> studies
> mainly these chapters, but also other areas as well, plus
> the
> teachings of T'ien T'ai, but its primary import in the
> area of
> religious study is the Gosho or writings of Nichiren
> Daishonin. In
> the case of the Soka Gakkai, their area of recitation of
> the sutra is
> identical to Nichiren Shoshu, and they do study somewhat
> the Lotus
> Sutra, T'ien T'ai doctrine and Nichiren Shonin's
> writings, but its
> primary import in the area of religious study is placed
> on the
> writings of its 3rd and Honourary President Ikeda and
> other articles
> produced by the Soka Gakkai Study Dept.
>
> In Closing
>
> I sincerely hope that this general background of Nichiren
> Shu,
> Nichiren Shoshu and the Soka Gakkai will serve you. I
> hope through
> this poor explanation, you can see how the Soka Gakkai
> and Nichiren
> Shoshu way of observing Buddhism came into being and how
> it differs
> with the rest of mainstream Nichiren Buddhism.
>
> What is most important is to practice our faith and study
> as the
> Buddha Sakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin taught us, so
> that we can
> grow, truly understand Buddhism, practice and live it
> just like the
> Buddha and Nichiren Daishonin did; and so that we and all
> those
> around us can be freed from suffering, become satisfied
> with life and
> happy, and become enlightened just as the Buddha.
>
> It is not necessary to harbour ill feelings toward the
> Soka Gakkai.
> Maybe everything they taught you was not entirely
> correct, but their
> help has nourished you up until today. Maybe they have
> strayed from
> the main path of Buddhism. But they did introduce you to
> Nichiren
> Daishonin's teachings and the Lotus Sutra. They opened a
> door for
> you. For that you should be grateful.
>
> However, if you are having some doubts about the Soka
> Gakkai or
question its validity for your own Buddhist faith, I
suggest you
return to basics... think about why did you originally
take faith?
What were your original expectations for Buddhism?
Examine the facts
of history and doctrine. What are true and correct
teachings? Has
what I have been believing and practicing, has it really
been
Buddhism? What was the Buddha's real intention and
spirit? If
Nichiren Daishonin were to come back today, what would he
say? Would
he be happy at what he sees? How do Sakyamuni Buddha and
Nichiren
Daishonin really want us to observe our faith and
practice? How
should a Buddhist live? Who can truly teach me real
Buddhism? I
think we can begin to discover all these things simply by
sincerely
reciting the sutra and chanting the Odaimoku, together
with reading
the Masters' living words - through the words of each of
the 28
chapters of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Shonin's
writings. Each
chapter of the Sutra and each of Nichiren Daishonin's
writings has a
message to covey to you, something to teach you,
something to help
you grow. Don't interpret or alter anything, saying,
"this phrase is
written in this way, but it really means this..." Just
open your
heart, read the words and try to understand what is
written there.
Let the Buddha Sakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin talk to
you. Chant
the Odaimoku to understand and become closer to the
Buddha. You will
discover a whole new world and a great joy ... the world
of the
Buddha awaits you. Please become a true Bodhisattva and
earnestly
search the road for Buddhahood. Take the courageous step
to deepen
your faith of many years. If you truly and sincerely wish
to meet the
Buddha and experience his life and enlightenment, you
can. It all
starts from the heart and from your sincere faith, one
step at a
time.
As a priest, I am here to help you in any way I can, just
as are all
the other Nichiren Shu priests throughout the world. We
want to help
you to experience faith, grow and be happy. We want you
to truly
experience Buddhism. I will close with my hands folded in
prayer form
(Gassho) towards you, in profound respect. I bow and pray
to the
Buddha inside you.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
Rev. Shoryo Tarabini
Cody
Second response.
Cody
"MarcInMD" <marc...@aol.com> wrote
MarcInMD
Is this the topic? Great... Please state your case ( Here is the point where
Cody scoots out the back door because he cant really explain himself)
Please proceed.
Cody
"MarcInMD" <marc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ONENESS OF THE PERSON AND THE LAW.<
>
> Is this the topic?
Yes, about time you figured that out.
> Great... Please state your case ( Here is the point where
> Cody scoots out the back door because he cant really explain himself)
Another insult. What a surprise!
>
> Please proceed.
Thank you.
If you look at your Gohonzon you will see Namu Myoho Renge Kyo Nichiren down
the middles. As it says in the Gosho, both Sakyamuni and Taho are
"attending" the True Buddha, which, of course is the oneness of the Person
(Nichiren) and the Law (the Daimoku).
Why you have to take the characters of Nichiren off the Gohonzon and replace
it with Sakyamuni is beyond me.
Cody
Reginald Carpenter
11:08pm CST+6.
I changed the subject/ title to: See HBS (mess!) "Deacon" Marc the
Moron Run & Lie, again & again!*
******************************************************
Re: See Marc Run
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Fri, Apr 5, 2002, 11:08pm (CST+6)
From: marc...@aol.com (MarcInMD)
[Marc]
>>> 3rd request
Pick a topic, big talker, and state your case...
cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck <<<
---------------------------------------------------------------
1). RC comments: Re. the new subject/ title, that Marc Strumpf, aka.
MarcInMD, nka. Marcey-Marc the Strump(f)et & HBS (mess!) "Deacon" Marc
the Moron is really No-thing [Zen] but a "BIG talker" himself, who is
only going to "Run & Lie, again & again," whenever any-one "pick(s) a
topic" to give him to "state [his] case"; because, he's really No-thing
[Zen] but a BIG, fast talking CON artist and a mental case who's got NO
case! ROTFL & LMAO.
But, here goes a topic for that "cluck, cluck" clucking FOOL to cluck -
chicken out - and run away again, anyway! LOL.
Question: Pray tell, just how in the H-e-l-l many times has HBS (mess!)
"Deacon" Marc the Moron's very arrogant & ignorant, LYING-ASS, low life
conditioned DUMB-ASS been a SQ - Switch Quitter and changed religions
from the Nichiren Shoshu since the so called "split" in 1990 - 1991?!
Answer: FOUR (4), or more! ROTFL.
That's just one (1) of the many reasons why, Marc the Strump(f)-et does
NOT know just what in the H-e-l-l he's really talking about on either
Buddhism in general or so called, authentic & genuine, Nichiren Buddhism
- the Nichiren Shoshu, of course - in particular, nka. HBS (mess!)
"Deacon" Marc you MORON! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
******************************************************
<<< Stone Eagle >>>
Airborne in Cyberspace*
Reginald Carpenter
10:51pm CST-2; x-ref. to RC (my) posting on 4/06/02, 9:13am CST.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: See HBS (mess!) "Deacon" Marc the
Moron Run & Lie, again & again!*
It is the same thing as re. my message below, that very arrogant &
ignorant, FANATICal & HERETICal, INcompetent, LYING-ASS, low life
conditioned, alleged to be lawyer-ing, DUMB-ASS JonPetry-fied's long
mess-age:
"Your honor, the fact is that it has absolutely No-thing [Zen] at all to
do with either the old or new subject/ titles" - re. "See HBS (mess!)
"Deacon" Marc the Moron Run & LIE, again & again!"; "so, "motion to
suppress" - it is completely OTI - Off-Topic & IRrelevant, Judge"!
"Motion granted & this case is dis-missed"! - "Judge Judy." ROTFL.
That's why, the real Mr. T. sez:
"I PITY THE [JonPetry-fied] FOOL"! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
******************************************************
Re: Date of true founding of the Nichiren Shoshu: Apr. 28th, 1253!*
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Apr 6, 2002, 8:20am
From: chiefst...@webtv.net (Reginald Carpenter)
A quickie for "Johnney" from Stoney. Re. John Petry posting on 4/05/02,
10:54am CST-2.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: Date of true founding of the
Nichiren Shoshu: Apr. 28th, 1253!*
Re. that very FANATICal & HERETICal, arrogant & ignorant, INcompetent,
LYING-ASS, low life conditioned, alleged to be lawyer-ing, DUMB-ASS -
JonPetry-fied's long mess-age:
"Your honor, the fact is that it has absolutely No-thing [Zen] at all to
do with either the old or new subject/ titles" - re. the "date of the
true founding of the Nichiren Shoshu" religion which actually was on
"Apr. 28th, 1253" - "so, "motion to suppress" - it is completely OTI -
Off-Topic & IRrelevant, Judge"!
"Motion granted & this case is dismissed"! - "Judge Judy." ROTFL.
That's why, the real Mr. T. sez:
"I PITY THE [JonPetry-fied] FOOL"! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
****************************************************** Revised 4/06/02
MarcInMD
>the middles. As it says in the Gosho, both Sakyamuni and Taho are
>"attending" the True Buddha, which, of course is the oneness of the Person
>(Nichiren) and the Law (the Daimoku).
>
I thought you were going to explain the oneness of person and law. Instead you
are trying to sell Taisekiji reinterpretations.. based on the assumption of ..
"oneness of person and law" without explaining what it is. If this is your
basic premise that you are going to use to justify your idea's, then you need
to give an explanation fo it so we know what you are talking about.
What do you mean by "Oneness of Person and Law"?
>Why you have to take the characters of Nichiren off the Gohonzon and replace
>it with Sakyamuni is beyond me.
>
Nichiren did this exact thing. On the scripture Mandala he offers a
representation of the Honzon (Focus of Devotion) _ as the Dharma (
Myohorengekyo). In the Honzon Mondo Sho, he directly identifies the Daimoku of
the Lotus Sutra as the Honzon and he also says that it is the "Parent of all
Buddha's." Therefore, the Dharma is the essential Nature of all Buddhas and
they are depicted on the Mandala as facing the Dharma and worshiping it...
Welcome to Honmon Butsuryushu. There is nothing about that which helps NST .
Nichiren does, as you pondered, he offers up another way to represent the
Honzon, using the likeness of Shakyamuni in statue form. In order to separate
the historical Buddha from the Eternal Buddha, the Honzon is represented by a
Statue of Shakyamuni along with statues of the other Honge Bodhisattvas in
order tomake clear that this is the Eternal Buddha and not the historical.
Nikko was known to be very keen on this arrangement.
I will anxiously await your explanation of "Oneness of Person and Law"
I am setting this up in a sperate thread so no one misses it.
Marc Strumpf
dc
sincerely from any sect OR any religion, praying for peace and happiness
for all beings in their hearts, is the same and automatically connected to
True Buddhism regardless what religion they are in.....and anyone who is
bent on distinction, and dogma is disconnecting themself and attaching
themselves only to the poison drum skin which beats out the rhythm of the
galley slaves oars and the .march into the black death of the killing floor.
If mental distinctions get in the way from any side, it is all extraneous
sectarian filth from hell.....no different from the current multi-religion,
multi-sect, insane, showdown in Bethlehem.
Laser Wars at Daisekiji will be your goal and reality and you will be the
'believers," fighting their own mirror image.
ARBN is a practice launch pad for future robotic "religious," nutwars.
People with mush in their head, performing animal tricks for the aborasetsu.
dc
c
>ARBN is a practice launch pad for future robotic "religious," nutwars.
>People with mush in their head, performing animal tricks for the aborasetsu.
>dc
Big man, pig man
ha ha charade you are
You well heeled big wheel
ha ha charade you are
And when your hand is on your heart
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost a joker
With your head down in the pig bin
Saying "keep on digging"
Pig stain on your fat chin
What do you hope to find?
When you're down in the pig mine
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.
"there is no unique "True Buddha." you just tell people that sometimes.
I am the true buddha."
David Cole
"go suck your fake Mentors Dung---he has real good dung from his
dung mill."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Remember to let her suck on your dick
Her germs on your wife will make it better."
"that lil child, sold into slavery
its mom shot up and puked on your dick
Then you can ran home with the a viral nasty"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"MR. PEE PEE WATERS ANOTHER FLIMSY MINDED SCUM BALL ASS."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Of course this is the typical hypocritical crap coming from human beings
that are just dumb. Sorry boys, maybe you and Una should all have an orgy
at taisekiji.......bring Reggie to referee."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"MASTERS WOULD CUM IN THE MOUTH OF THEIR YOUNG
ACOLYTES. NICHIREN WAS PISSED OFF!!!!!
WAKE THE HELL UP YOU NUTCASE MORONS FROM HELL."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Hokkeko in the west hasn't grown, it just reshuffles.gakkai members.
No leadership no growth. a bunch of pissing fairies"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Look at your UK group Funny most every Koto is a
fag--in US too---just like Nichiren Shu."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Oh weee.....little fairy boy has a problem?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Was it good for you? Being their bitch for a night?"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"No one will follow wimps and people with psychological
problems and weird perverse habits and behaviors based in unresolved
childhood conflicts and altar--boy consciousness. Tell me
butt-fucking and perversity is cool in our buddhism."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"Keep jerking yourself off Michael."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"No one can refute what I am saying. No one."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"I am distressed like the Daishonin was distressed
about the sick behavior of humankind. I am as solid as a rock."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"She put her hands on her rear-end and bent slightly, spreading
her lips, giving him a rear-view, under the legs, glimpse of her
vagina.
Moving her hands, down further, she spread her labia open and inserted
her right index finger. The unusally bright December sunlight caused the
juices on her pubic hairs to glisten"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"This faggot version of true buddhism is history, the Daishonin would kick
your fairy little asses and the gakkai as well.... and the Priesthood is
corrupted into habits and monstrous passivity.."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"When stragglers appear on this board and read the nonsense here they are
overwhelmed at how stupid and demented these kook buddhists are. My
insults are surrealism appropriate for ARBN.---maybe some one or two or
three will wake the hell up."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"You guys have the comprehension of donkey poo."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"I'm sure you jerk off too."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
Copyright © David Cole 2002
"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
David Cole
Mercia
Mercia
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Cody
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote
> Stop the stupid stuff. there is no difference. Anyone who chants daimoku
> sincerely from any sect OR any religion, praying for peace and happiness
> for all beings in their hearts, is the same and automatically connected to
> True Buddhism regardless what religion they are in.....
Really? Since when? How about the tranmission which the Daishonin said was
"essential" to Buddhahood. How about the intent of one's prayers, something
else the Daishonin said is essential? No, David, you're wrong.
I will say it again.
David, you're wrong. Can you admit that you're wrong or is your big, fat, I
am perfect, ego in the way?
> and anyone who is
> bent on distinction, and dogma is disconnecting themself and attaching
> themselves only to the poison drum skin which beats out the rhythm of the
> galley slaves oars and the .march into the black death of the killing
floor.
> If mental distinctions get in the way from any side, it is all extraneous
> sectarian filth from hell.....no different from the current
multi-religion,
> multi-sect, insane, showdown in Bethlehem.
Are you saying that we shouldn't have distinctions? Let me distinctly tell
you that I can distinquish between a first class asshole like you and a nice
person and I will continue to make such distinctions. You're "you will go to
Eternal Hell" bullshit notwithstanding.
> Laser Wars at Daisekiji will be your goal and reality and you will be the
> 'believers," fighting their own mirror image.
>
> ARBN is a practice launch pad for future robotic "religious," nutwars.
> People with mush in their head, performing animal tricks for the
aborasetsu.
>
> dc
This would be true if you continue to show that you're not a man of your
word and continue to post here like you said you wouldn't many, many times.
So, if you could keep your word, ARBN would be so much better off for it.
Cody
Cody
"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sad, but true.
> Mercia
Amazing.
Cody
Mercia
Faith and the Connection to understand the lineage and the Heritage. That
could be seen as your good fortune. Nevertheless, people, no matter which
denomination are still susceptible and related to the reality of Cause and
Effect. Nichiren explains that 'if the mind is pure so is the land. There
are no pure or impure land in themselves other than the good and evil that
lives in our human mind. Good fortune comes from one's mind and makes him
worthy of respect, whereas bad fortune comes from one's mouth and can ruin
him.'
The environment is the shadow of our karma and as the body bends so does the
shadow. Although your passion towards protecting the Heritage is well meant,
if it is not applied wisely, the effects thereof shall be dire equally. Your
life condition is the light of being and which shines brilliantly the
reality of the Dharma body. Your words in turn will express the wisdom of
your Dharma mind.
As you take great pride in calling David whatever it is you state, you are
in fact bringing out the mirror of your own imagination, thoughts and
reality. David in turn has the choice to accept or ignore that which you
state. Past observations has taught me that David will allow you to spit in
the air and therefore let it rain back onto your own face, as fast as you
spew.
And now time for tea.
Mercia
"Cody" <mc...@ono.net> wrote in message
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c
>Nichiren explains that 'if the mind is pure so is the land. There
>are no pure or impure land in themselves other than the good and evil that
>lives in our human mind. Good fortune comes from one's mind and makes him
>worthy of respect, whereas bad fortune comes from one's mouth and can ruin
>him.'
1. Using someones name and photo without their permission to make a
website and yahoo board to attack and defame them is:
a. Good
b. Evil
2. Accusing a whole congregation of believers of "Worshipping semen"
and being "altar boys waiting to give the priest a blowjob" is
a. Good
b. Evil
3. Stalking women who once trusted you, then blackmailing them
and then trying to smear them by accusing them of being "into B&D"
and "mentally ill" in addition to publicly disclosing private details of
their life including where they live and their husband's name is:
a. Good
b. Evil
4. Publicly posting your opponenent's wife's name, address phone
number and place of employment, in addition to making crass remarks
about "Spanish hooker germs on her" is:
a. Good
b. Evil
Mercia
That forum had nothing to do with me.
Not guilty on all 4 accounts. Not my Cause.
Mercia
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Cody
Grade: F
"Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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c
And she won't either, because she wants to keep her status as
David Cole's favorite pet
>Gandhi with a baseball bat "Mercia" <mer...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> Not guilty. That forum had nothing to do with me.
[Mercia just supplied the photo she got from Dave Cole]
>> Not guilty on all 4 accounts. Not my Cause.
[Even though Mercia participated in the forum and got her punches in on
Cody ther, she is just an innocent bystander]
>> Mercia
"Nichiren has a very bad reputation because of people who take pleasure
in bad mouthing others."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I realised what a first class over the top pathetic excuse for a human you
are turning out to be."
Mercia Nitzsche
"How can you sit there and call yourself a Buddhist, yet at the same time
speak to people in such condescending a manner. What kind of an animal are
you?"
Mercia Nitzsche
"Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, Jesus, Buddha and as far as I am
concerned, as I'm told by others, those people who respect me say that they see the
qualities and characteristics of each of these persons shining through me."
Mercia Nitzsche
"People can be very cruel, just because someone is different there seems to
be this desperate need to start to ridicule and intimidate"
Mercia Nitzsche
"Ghee Cody, I didn't realise you were still so Neanderthal in vision.
Your entire approach is Cave Man in attitude."
Mercia Nitzsche
"You complain that I do not treat you or the Hokkeko with respect. This is
not so. Your interpretation of my presentation is based on your own life
condition. You on the other hand treat people with contempt and hold them
with disregard."
Mercia Nitzsche
"All people have the right to be good and evil."
Michelle
"Boy, another mindless and spineless pathetic excuse for a human being. Where
do you people come from?"
Mercia Nitzsche
"A person who describes himself to be a Buddhist does not go out of his way
to deliberately provoke, stirr and/or press buttons to insult someone or
create feelings of animosity."
Mercia Nitzsche
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Nitzsche
"My entire approach towards anyone on this Forum is to behave like decent
human beings"
Mercia Nitzsche
"Jealous people always talk down and belittle the ability of others."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I am beginning to believe that people practising
Nichiren teachings, no matter what school, do not have
a heart. They are inhumane and behave like tyrants,
imposing doctrine upon doctrine."
Mercia Nitzsche
"We all need love and understanding and respond best in a protected environment.
I have seen what rejection does to people and especially in the Nichiren World. It
is time to break free from further pollution and learn to treat one
another with kindness. Remember that even an Ant values it's existence."
Mercia Nitzsche
"Fact is, it is not I who denigrates the Hokkeko, you and your like minded
friends, manage to that without any help from me"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I'm merely your average troubleshooter and the only way you people can
handle me is by being nasty. I do not make destructive causes, as much as
you like to convince yourselves otherwise. Hokkeko members are not nice
people."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I may wear different hats, but I unsult no one."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I suppose secretly you like to look under my skirts and have a peek at my tushi."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I have only ever manifested love to people, kindness, sensitivity
and a gentle approach."
Mercia "Soka" Netzshe
"I have come to realise that no matter which school of
Nichiren one keys into, there is no compassion at all.
People are extremely self-righteous and very selfish."
Mercia Nitzsche
"To degenerate other people's activities, commitments,
or sincerity is not only extremely base, but equally
cruel. It is not a good quality to have and even worse
to manifest publicly. The Daishonin describes it in
the following words 'one evil act wipes away a
person's entire good fortune'."
Mercia Nitzsche
"You people are totally warped and twisted at that. You haven't
a clue who I am or what it is I do and you certainly do not practise
Nichiren's Buddhism."
Mercia Nitzsche
"Maybe the fact that I do not seek to attack and/or intimidate might be why I
can continue building bridges of a kind."
Mercia Nitzsche
dc
2. Accusing a whole congregation of believers of "Worshipping semen"
> and being "altar boys waiting to give the priest a blowjob" is>>>>>>>
You are such an idiot.
I quote a few paragraphs from a recent history of sexuality and buddhism
written by the top Professor of religion at Stanford explaining how Japanese
buddhism had degenerated into widespread male homoeroticism, (with a
proportionate, subjugation and lessening the valuation of women,) turning
sexual practices adopted from tantric hinduism and chinese habits, into
ritualized sex, incuding the disciples receiving the masters semen in the
mouth, where the disciple plays the role of a female goddess bed with the
buddha, in order to fuse the womb and diamond mandalas.
rather then realize the profound meaning of the daishonin's admonitions
against the buddhists of his day on a level of actual BEHAVIOR, you with
your dreary comprehension think the Daishonin was mad they didn't cross
their "t's and dot their i"s.
Instead of doing further study and realizing that this was exactly the case,
and that the Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra actually explain how people are
born into Shingon and get locked into perverse behaviors and
lifestyles---thus destroying the nation and ruining the land----by the time
of the daishonin, this kind of behavior was common in Shingon, Tendai,
Nembutsu and the Ritsu and the government and wealthy people controlled the
masses while doing whatever they pleased there were similar times in Europe
in the Middle Ages, when the patriarcal establishment combined governmetal
power with religion, turning various doctrines into perversion.
Just a Label "Hokkeko" or Gakkai" or "NST," does not guarantee that
buddhism won't get twisted and that people will forget the real spirit and
meaning.
When people are moving forward there is no time for monkey business. It is
because they WANT monkey business that they stopped. they were arguing over
power and money. You want to hand over that control to someone? there are
much better ways to mange things and protect a time-honored protocol then
turn it's good teachings into superstitious tripe and nutcase literalism.
When NST is far from a mainstream religion, it would be important to manage
things properly--not allow it to fragment into different language groups and
different sexual groups or different racial groups, all competing. Nor
should it reject other religions when they possessin their depths the same
meaning of buddhism in differnt stages. Shakubuku of a buddhist is just as
necessary of shakubuku of a christian, when they are both looking at their
relgion with eyes wide shut.
If this dry explanation bores you go read my more exotic prose.
dc
c
>Craig writes:
>2. Accusing a whole congregation of believers of "Worshipping semen"
>> and being "altar boys waiting to give the priest a blowjob" is>>>>>>>
>You are such an idiot.
>I quote a few paragraphs from a recent history of sexuality and buddhism
>written by the top Professor of religion at Stanford explaining how Japanese
>buddhism had degenerated into widespread male homoeroticism blahblahblah
Here is what you posted, Crystal:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:49 GMT, "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in
message Re: Re. "The Red Thread" book: PERVERSITY(ies) in old Japanese Buddhism!*.
"Well you better tell that to the "Hokkeko," in LA (West Hollywood) or UK
...dominated by male homoerotics, while real women are subjugated and have
to search to other women for companionship..... and they want to puke and
real men want to barf. thus it is the same as in Old Japan....still that
ugly Shingon Karma rearing it's ugly head.....and the holistic Chakra semen
obsessers of Hollyweird, ritualizing ejaculatory fantasies and play acting
with the AIDS consequences.....virus worhippers. Then of course there is
the hungry ghost schizos and manic depressives who hang around ready to
worship, hoping for a dose of the royal jelly which never comes. Even
alter boy consciousness never quite gets it's fill. And the interesting
dicotomies of Bodhicitta semen droplets, staking out their claim to anal
enforcements of hidden and unconscious Japanese Shingon Karmic wet dreams
and Freudian disco West Hollywood Perves (correct spelling) and there
sympathizers.......
http://www.drsusanblock.com/sexinreview/places/hollywoodtour3.htm
Now of course people are people, and people with weird obsessions and
mental artifacts are all welcome into Buddhism, but goddamn, do they have
to dominate it? Isn't Buddhism intended to be a mainstream thing? The best
grounds for reunification yet is to repopulate the temples with real men and
women who are normal.
I know this is so shocking! Well imagine the sincere Nichiren Shoshu
Buddhist male new member, walking into a Buddist meeting which they have
for all their life thought, would be a austere religion and then get hit
on by there leader!!! ITS HAPPENING PEOPLE! How 'bout two men who drove
you to the meeting jerking each other off in the front seat after you get
Gojukai?.....on the way back to help you enshrine your Gohonzon? They might
as well go back to Catholicism or join a Holistic Circus, if it's a little
bung-hole action they are looking for. See it's Shingon Karma.
(Shocking......oh terrible........Can't he keep his mouth shut?.......he is
a homophobe!!!,,,,,,,,who is this Whistle blower raining on our rainbow
parade? Cutting in on our sanctified and pious anal fantasies? Who does he
think he is?)"
Copyright © David Cole 2002
MarcInMD
Geeeeeez.....
Which comes first, the madness or the NST membership?
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Which comes first, the madness or the NST membership?
Which comes first, Christian beliefs or HBS membership?
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
c
>> Which comes first, the madness or the NST membership?
>Which comes first, Christian beliefs or HBS membership?
>Derek N.P.F. Juhl
They are one in the same
Bruce Maltz
--
BUDDHA EZINE
http://the-eternal-buddha.com
((((((IN LIVING COLOR)))))))
((((((IN TRUE STEREO)))))))))
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Mercia
"Bruce Maltz" <bma...@the-eternal-buddha.com> wrote in message
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RJD
>Stop the stupid stuff. there is no difference. Anyone who chants daimoku
>sincerely from any sect OR any religion, praying for peace and happiness
>for all beings in their hearts, is the same and automatically connected to
>True Buddhism regardless what religion they are in.....
I agree with you there.
>and anyone who is
>bent on distinction, and dogma is disconnecting themself and attaching
>themselves only to the poison drum skin which beats out the rhythm of the
>galley slaves oars and the .march into the black death of the killing floor.
>If mental distinctions get in the way from any side, it is all extraneous
>sectarian filth from hell.....no different from the current multi-religion,
>multi-sect, insane, showdown in Bethlehem.
Ditto
rjd