“infidels should have their throats cut”
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
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Hasan gave *clear* warning signs that he was an Islamist psycho
*months* ago, and political correctness kept him in a position to
cause damage.
PC needs to DIAF.
robert bowman
> Hasan gave clear warning signs that he was an Islamist psycho
> months ago, and political correctness kept him in a position to
> cause damage.
If that report is accurate and his family is correct in stating that he
wanted out and offered to repay his educational expense, the Army has a
serious problem.
When the dust settles, probably the only outcome will be another attempt to
declare the five-seven the demon round from Hel.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Was he using the FN pistol?
FFF
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scottl...@ix.netcom.com
> scottlowt...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > Hasan gave clear warning signs that he was an Islamist psycho
> > months ago, and political correctness kept him in a position to
> > cause damage.
>
> If that report is accurate and his family is correct in stating that he
> wanted out and offered to repay his educational expense, the Army has a
> serious problem.
Indeed. The moment an Army officer starts spouting treason like this
asshole did, the Army should either boot his out out, or bott his ass
into a military prison. That they did neither indicates that there's
somethgin seriously wrong with the system.
>
> When the dust settles, probably the only outcome will be another attempt to
> declare the five-seven the demon round from Hel.
All I know about his armament was that one of his weapons was "semi-
automatic," and whenever one of the "journalists" reporting this would
say that, it was clear that they didn't know what that meant.
robert bowman
> Was he using the FN pistol?
Allegedly. So far, they (the authorities and/or media) have identified the
wrong shooter, declared him dead before he got his seventy two virgins,
hinted that some deaths were by friendly fire, and otherwise turned the
event into a charlie foxtrot, so take it as you will.
I'm not sure if anyone other than FN has a handgun in that caliber.
Doug Freyburger
>
> Indeed. The moment an Army officer starts spouting treason like this
> asshole did, the Army should either boot his out out, or bott his ass
> into a military prison. That they did neither indicates that there's
> somethgin seriously wrong with the system.
The problem of folks already in the military wanting out before the end
of their hitch is so common it even appeared as the comic character Sgt
Klinger in the TV show M*A*S*H.
It's possible to get out of the military on a medical discharge if you
are truly and undeniably nuts. This fact is not lost on those who want
out so there's no lack of folks acting nuts in order to get out. It
gives the military a great deal of skepticism and outright rejection at
anyone who claims to be nuts and/or is accused of being nuts.
On the one hand he was a Muslim who shot a bunch of people. If a
Christian shot a bunch of people what are the chances that the general
population would suddenly be up in arms about the Christians among us?
On the other hand he shouted "Allah Ahkbar" as if started shooting. If
a Christian shooted "Jesus Saves" just before starting shooting, would
he be called a fundimentalist or a lunatic?
The gripping hand is I recently completed the Koran (on an audiobook
equivalent of a side by side translation, pretty cool to listen to the
Iman chanting in ancient Arabic as it sounded rather like a skald
chanting in ancient Norse). The book stresses an extremist approach.
Sigh.
Doug the infidel
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
I thought the FN was govt only sales?
I assume it's not a standard military firearm?
Doug Freyburger
>
> I thought the FN was govt only sales?
> I assume it's not a standard military firearm?
The shooter used a privately purchased gun. Interesting that at a
military base so many folks present were unarmed - He appears to have
picked that specific location with that fact in mind.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
It was a "gun free zone," which assures safety.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
> scottlowt...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> > Indeed. The moment an Army officer starts spouting treason like this
> > asshole did, the Army should either boot his out out, or bott his ass
> > into a military prison. That they did neither indicates that there's
> > somethgin seriously wrong with the system.
>
> The problem of folks already in the military wanting out before the end
> of their hitch is so common it even appeared as the comic character Sgt
> Klinger in the TV show M*A*S*H.
We're not in a state of "draft." we're not even on a war footing. So
if Hasan wanted out, I think he only need to simply quit.
> On the one hand he was a Muslim who shot a bunch of people. If a
> Christian shot a bunch of people what are the chances that the general
> population would suddenly be up in arms about the Christians among us?
Minimal, since Christians generally *don't* do that sort of thing for
religious reasons. There have, in contrast, been quite a number of
cases of "sudden Jihad syndrome" in the US.
> On the other hand he shouted "Allah Ahkbar" as if started shooting. If
> a Christian shooted "Jesus Saves" just before starting shooting, would
> he be called a fundimentalist or a lunatic?
Almost certainly. "Fundamentalist" and "lunatic" are some of the
gentler terms used by Christians to refer to the Fred Phelps types of
Christian whackjobs.
Additional: one of the common reasons given for SJS cases in the US
military (such as the Muslim who fragged his fellow US soldiers in
iraq some years ago) is that they have a problem killing other
Muslims. I have two counter arguments:
1) Shia and Sunni don't seem to have that problem
2) In WWII, American Catholics didn;t seem to raise a whole hell of a
lot of fuss when it came to blowign the crap out of Cathics in France
and Italy.
> The gripping hand is I recently completed the Koran...
I've tried a few times. Never can get past the first few pages. Any
book that threatens anyone who doubts the books accuracy just seems to
me to be unreadable.
robert bowman
> I thought the FN was govt only sales?
> I assume it's not a standard military firearm?
No, it's available on the civilian market for a little under $1000. Civilian
ammunition is restricted to the SS196 sporting round. It's definitely an
oddball. Except for an odd love affair with the AR15 platform, most
Americans don't really appreciate any .22's except the ubiquitous .22 LR.
For about half the price, you could get any number of .40's and use
reasonably priced ammunition. Of course, if you're planning on joining
Allah for a goat roast, pinching pennies doesn't make sense.
robert bowman
> Interesting that at a
> military base so many folks present were unarmed - He appears to have
> picked that specific location with that fact in mind.
Par for the course, actually. Unless you're qualifying or playing some other
game, you really don't expect to be taking on terrorists in Texas.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
I suppose its 20 round mag helps with any massacre you're planning.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
wrote:
> robert bowman wrote:
> > Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
> >> I thought the FN was govt only sales?
> >> I assume it's not a standard military firearm?
>
> > No, it's available on the civilian market for a little under $1000. Civilian
> > ammunition is restricted to the SS196 sporting round. It's definitely an
> > oddball. Except for an odd love affair with the AR15 platform, most
> > Americans don't really appreciate any .22's except the ubiquitous .22 LR.
> > For about half the price, you could get any number of .40's and use
> > reasonably priced ammunition. Of course, if you're planning on joining
> > Allah for a goat roast, pinching pennies doesn't make sense.
>
> I suppose its 20 round mag helps with any massacre you're planning.
What's more helpful still is having a mind twisted and broken by a
murderous philosophy. And it helps further if political correctness
prevents those around you who see that you're a nut from turning you
in.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Well, better watch out for the quiet guy who "keeps himself to himself",
is a bit of a loner but is kind to his mother and animals. Plenty of
them have gone postal.
robert bowman
> I suppose its 20 round mag helps with any massacre you're planning.
Mag changes don't take that long unless you shoot it dry. If you're Jerry
Miculek, you can get off 12 on-target shots in under 3 seconds -- with a 6
shot revolver.
It does fit with the Army's philosophy for the last 40 years: lots and lots
of little bitty bullets and much prayer.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Last I heard was that in wars about 10,000 bullets are fired for every
fatality.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
wrote:
> Well, better watch out for the quiet guy who "keeps himself to himself",
> is a bit of a loner but is kind to his mother and animals. Plenty of
> them have gone postal.
Yeah, but it's the loudmouths who wind up "going Muslim" that pose the
real threat, long term.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
wrote:
> Last I heard was that in wars about 10,000 bullets are fired for every
> fatality.
>
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this, but I've read
numerous times that the US Army estimated it took more than 100,000
rounds per VC back in Nam.
robert bowman
> I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this, but I've read
> numerous times that the US Army estimated it took more than 100,000
> rounds per VC back in Nam.
Simo Häyhä could have depopulated the country with the expended rounds.
After that little experiment, they went to the M16A2. I had thought the M$
was also a three shot burst design, but I was at a match a couple of months
ago when one of the local Army units had borrowed an adjacent range for
their qualification. Apparently they had gotten their hands on M4A1's
because it sure was noisy. I'm not sure what they were shooting at or if
they hit it, but at least the trees are still standing.
The kills per round ration has always been low. A couple of studies came to
the conclusion many of the troops aren't actually shooting at anything in
particular. That probably goes back to laying down a volley of arrows;
enough arrows and you'll probably hit something.
When the theory grows wings, you have the AC-130U.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Conscript armies are probably going to waste a lot more ammo that
professionals. Check out this:
http://www.militaryvideos.net/videos.php?videonum=62
IIRC snipers use about 1.5 per kill.
Doug Freyburger
> scottl...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this, but I've read
>> numerous times that the US Army estimated it took more than 100,000
>> rounds per VC back in Nam.
>
> the conclusion many of the troops aren't actually shooting at anything in
> particular. That probably goes back to laying down a volley of arrows;
> enough arrows and you'll probably hit something.
There have been reports that artilery killed more than gun fire ever
since artilery was invented. I've heard of troops firing at random and
some firing up above the enemy troops.
Dirk pointed out that snipers have a much higher kill rate. I think the
same applies to any type of special forces troops. They have to
actually fire at targets and that washes out a fair number of applicants.
The US Army is supposed to have put a lot of effort into the topic to
get its small number of troops more effective than armies with larger
numbers of troops. I think the intense unit cohesion we see now comes
from those efforts. In previous wars I think a lot smaller percentage
of troops re-upped for extra hitches to help protect their comrades.
Maybe this is the difference between a soldier and a warrior to the
ancients. They had to have been aware that even among regularly
training militia troops, most militia troops were much less effective in
combat than hardened troops. Maybe the warriors are the ones who did
not shrink from swinging a killing blow deliberately aimed at a person
where militia troops just swung and blocked.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
The stats on what percentage of soldiers actually point their weapons at
the enemy is amazing. IIRC during WW2 it was only around 1 in 5. That
is, apart from arty, most of the enemy casualties were caused by fewer
than 20% of ones own army. No doubt that's why elite units like the SS
were so disproportionately effective.
robert bowman
> Conscript armies are probably going to waste a lot more ammo that
> professionals.
Whether the US Army can be called professional is a good question. The
people who are truly interested and skilled drift into the elite units,
leaving the rest for support duties. It would be interesting to know how
the average volunteer compares to the average draftee. A lot of them have
cycled out by now, but 10 years ago many volunteers didn't anticipate
meeting new friends and seeing new places. That goes even more for the Army
Reserve and the state National Guards where the expectation was a meeting
or two a month, a couple of weeks summer camp, and a paycheck in the
mailbox.
Snipers, since they are engaging targets on a one-by-one basis, tend to hit
them. While not snipers, I think most modern military units have a
designated hitter with a battle rifle to make life interesting for the
troops with the Sturmgewerhen that are iffy at longer ranges.
Doug Freyburger
> the enemy is amazing. IIRC during WW2 it was only around 1 in 5. That
> is, apart from arty, most of the enemy casualties were caused by fewer
> than 20% of ones own army. No doubt that's why elite units like the SS
> were so disproportionately effective.
I highly recommend the movie "The Men Who State at Goats" with
George Cloney. Absolutely hilarious.
In it there's a discussion of this 1 in 5 number. It's a minor plot
point
in the movie but there is it that same number.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Overall, I'm not sure of the reliability of that figure.
There's too much room for doubt given the research, and possibly the
wording of the question. I can quite imagine a soldier being asked
whether he aimed at the enemy and saying "no" simply because he was
trying to keep his head down in a pray'n'spray situation. Maybe a more
accurate assessment would be that only 1 in 5 really did *aim*.
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The stats on what percentage of soldiers actually point their weapons at
> > the enemy is amazing. IIRC during WW2 it was only around 1 in 5. That
> > is, apart from arty, most of the enemy casualties were caused by fewer
> > than 20% of ones own army. No doubt that's why elite units like the SS
> > were so disproportionately effective.
>
> I highly recommend the movie "The Men Who State at Goats" with
> George Cloney. Absolutely hilarious.
Most every review I've read, from the pros to the Joes, suggest it's a
snoozefest.