Re: Does the world hate Jesus or Christians?
Adonis
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
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> Adonis wrote:
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>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
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>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 16, 11:56 pm, saint7pe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On May 16, 9:35 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Phoenix
>>>>> > <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> carved the following into the hard
>>>>> > stone of alt.atheism
>>>>>
>>>>> > >On May 15, 9:43 pm, "Winsome" <Wins...@work.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> Ridiculous!
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> The truth is simply this: The 'greatest single cause of Atheism in
>>>>> > >> the world today' is the utterly basic fact that *you haven't got a
>>>>> > >> god to show us*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes God remains occult, only to reappear when He wants, not when
>>>>> you want.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard so many of you claim such nonsense that it has become a
>>>> cliche. Do you not realize that if this creature has the knowledge and
>>>> power you claim it does, then behavior like that is a sign of
>>>> neurosis? Your god, if it exists, does not deserve "worship". It needs
>>>> therapy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's put it this way.
>>> We don't know God's true mode of existence.
>>
>> Mike...er monkfish, just by saying you don't know it's true existence is
>> saying that it does exist in some fashion or another.
>>
>>
>>> I would rather say that God is prior to existence
>>
>> Which is saying god has always been in existence, it has no beginning, it
>> has no end, it is infinite.
>>
>>> but as most people here insist that
>>> God has to exist to be believed,
>>
>> Yes, that is the case. Do you believe in big foot? Santa clause?
>>
>>> I am willing to say that God can appear to us
>>> and in that case God exists for us.
>>
>> When you say that it can appear, that is implying that there is a tangible
>> relationship. Cause and effect.
>>
>>> But God reveals Himself to us
>>> in whatever way He pleases.
>>>
>>
>> Which way is that? How do you know it is revealing it's self?
>>
>>> God can appear as a dove.
>>> As love, as a spirit, and even as a whisper.
>>>
>>
>> So I see a dove, is that god? Showing concern for another human being, or
>> showing kindness is not directly the effects of a god. You hear whispers?
>> Do you mean voices in your head?
>>
>>> Are you going to say now that
>>> God has to exist in the mode prescribed by you?
>>>
>>
>> An all powerful creator that so desperately wants to give you everlasting
>> life should not have to resort to mystical revelations.
>
>
> Even if He respects us so much
> as to let us choose to believe?
>
>
You have a choice to believe a tale or not. It has nothing to do with respect.
There is nothing in example of respect towards humans from this god you cant
describe.
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> monkfish
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Adonis
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> Adonis wrote:
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>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>> Adonis wrote:
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>>>> <saint...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:568fb348-26e3-4250...@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On May 16, 9:35 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Phoenix
>>>>> <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> carved the following into the hard
>>>>> stone of alt.atheism
>>>>>
>>>>> >On May 15, 9:43 pm, "Winsome" <Wins...@work.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Ridiculous!
>>>>>
>>>>> >> The truth is simply this: The 'greatest single cause of Atheism in
>>>>> >> the world
>>>>> >> today' is the utterly basic fact that *you haven't got a god to show
>>>>> >> us*.
>>>>
>>>>>Sometimes God remains occult, only to reappear when He wants, not when
>>>>>you want.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you often wonder why it is so difficult
>>> for you to get through to the president?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not a very good analogy. The fact is you most likely have a better chance
>> of "getting through to the president" than you have of getting through to
>> god. The president also ( albeit not a good move on his part ) makes his
>> presence known by public engagements. So we know that the president
>> exists.
>
>
> How do you know they are not all fake?
How do you know they are not?
> After all you don't even believe people
> who died for their faith in certain facts.
>
Wanna try that sentence again?
> Actually getting faith is
> rather like falling in love.
Remember Mike, faith is a strong belief. That is something that takes tangable
thought. Weighing the pro's and con's. That's not quite like love.
> We don't know how it comes.
> But we sure can work for it.
>
When it come to what people believe? Your fooling yourself.
> Who is your favorite sex symbol?
> What is your chance of getting her love letter?
> Would you stop "loving" her
> if you don't get any response?
monkfish
What reason do we have to believe that
God has to exist in the mode prescribed by physicists?
If people say that God is a spirit and God is love,
shouldn't we first figure out what it means for love to exist?
Do physicists believe in love?
monkfish
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> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>
>> Actually getting faith is
>> rather like falling in love.
>
> Remember Mike, faith is a strong belief. That is something that takes
> tangable thought. Weighing the pro's and con's. That's not quite like
> love.
People can fall in love with
intangible things like justice and equality
just as well as other human beings.
Have you ever loved anything or anyone
enough to be willing to risk your life?
Adonis
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Good question, being that I do not personally know any physicists, I've never
been told what mode god is by one.
Do you know any physicists?
> If people say that God is a spirit and God is love,
> shouldn't we first figure out what it means for love to exist?
> Do physicists believe in love?
I'm guessing that they do, but I just don't know any physicists.