Jesus is love
Fred Jones
"Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were
conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on
the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal
relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if
you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY
and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN
IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark
16:16.
Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model
of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship
him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What sort of love is
that?
The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make it
obvious to you: God is imaginary.
Andrew
> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
> were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
> for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a
> loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your
> prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and
> worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I
> WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF
> HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
> Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
> Mark 16:16.
Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him. You seem to be confusing
the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
get.
> Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
> Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
> your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
> eternity.
Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
> What sort of love is that?
> The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should
> make it obvious to you: God is imaginary.
The silliness comes from trying to fit your rather jaundiced
preconceptions of Christian belief into a logical argument. Speaking of
logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is
non sequitur, don't you?
"Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :)"
Jesus is love? So why are christians assholes? Shouldn't they be copying
him?
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Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
Fred Jones
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bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> said:
>
> > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
> > were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
> > for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a
> > loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your
> > prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and
> > worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I
> > WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF
> > HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
> > Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
> > Mark 16:16.
>
> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
Christianity then the above certainly applies
> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
for a thinking person using logic methinks !
You seem to be confusing
> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
> as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
> get.
>
> > Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
> > Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
> > your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
> > eternity.
>
> Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
Well not exactly, but after his death there's no doubt 'He'
goes to heaven and sits next to god for eternity and whilst
on the cross calls out [so the myth writers would have us
understand] Father Father why hast thou forsaken me ?
Which all adds up to the same thing
It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew
> What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us pagans??
Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the
Gospel you're working from, I can't be sure.
Andrew
>> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
>> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
>
> Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
> Christianity then the above certainly applies
Really? 500 years ago, maybe. Do keep up.
>
>> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
>
> The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
> for a thinking person using logic methinks !
That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
>
> You seem to be confusing
>> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
>> as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
>> get.
>>
>>> Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
>>> Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
>>> your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
>>> eternity.
>>
>> Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
>
>
> Well not exactly, but after his death there's no doubt 'He'
> goes to heaven and sits next to god for eternity and whilst
> on the cross calls out [so the myth writers would have us
> understand] Father Father why hast thou forsaken me ?
>
> Which all adds up to the same thing
Not at all - I really don't see the argument you're making here.
>
> It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it?
It would be, if this included any.
Fred Jones
> On 2008-04-24 05:03:52 +0100, "Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> said:
>
>> What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us
>> pagans??
>
> Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the Gospel
> you're working from, I can't be sure.
Canonical or Non-canonical, your choice.
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-24 11:29:04 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
> >> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
> >
> > Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
> > Christianity then the above certainly applies
>
> Really? 500 years ago, maybe. Do keep up.
>
> >
> >> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
> >
> > The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
> > for a thinking person using logic methinks !
>
> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
that it exists.
So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on
face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even
though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what
? What is the point here?
Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand
religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer
just to your particular brand.
A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to
worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings
but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people
to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont.
Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely
to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs,
confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all
made up by man in the first place.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew
>> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
>> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
>
> Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
> religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
> task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
> and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
> that it exists.
Which verbiage means very little.
>
> So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on
> face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even
> though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what
> ? What is the point here?
It's entirely the point. The OP insisted that Jesus made such a demand
and that such a demand would not be in keeping with love. As the former
is untrue, the latter falls.
>
> Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand
> religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer
> just to your particular brand.
>
> A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to
> worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings
> but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people
> to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont.
>
> Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely
> to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs,
> confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all
> made up by man in the first place.
Inevitably human beings interpret God to some degree in human terms.
All such terms, though, should be regarded as analogy rather than
analytical fact.
Bill M
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> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
This is Jesus's love???
Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free
will'. This is totally specious. 'Free will' does not imply or require the
existence of evil conduct.
free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to
remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to
human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external
circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature
with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil.
He already created other limitations on man's 'free will'.
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten alive by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-25 07:09:08 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
> >> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
> >
> > Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
> > religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
> > task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
> > and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
> > that it exists.
>
> Which verbiage means very little.
It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
psychological viewpoint.
It gets people posting comments like yours above. Think
about it
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew
>> Which verbiage means very little.
>
> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> psychological viewpoint.
I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >> Which verbiage means very little.
> >
> > It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> > non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> > psychological viewpoint.
>
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Pretending and fakery is satan's style:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Pretendersatan
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J666
(in message <2008042612302450073-thecroft@macunlimitednet>):
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Many babble in areas in which they are not trained - just look at Chungy,
that has never stopped him.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
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> <><
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> http://HeartMDPhD.com/StupidSatan
Lets see - there are 4
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Semper Libèr® .
"Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
were
> conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you
on
> the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal
> relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love.
But if
> you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY
BODY
> and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS
PAIN
> IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
So many errors, its hard to know where to start.
First of all, Jesus calls believers "brothers" and promises to share his
authority, so your image of being forced to "get down on your knees" is
rather silly. It's actually Satan who is going to force you to worship
him.... and his earthy emissary will appear soon enough to show you what
that looks like.
Your 'eat my body' comment is a misunderstanding of the practice of blood
covenants, which were common practice in those days.... they didn't have
armies of lawyers witnessing contracts out in the desert, so if you wanted
to make a meaningful contract with someone you figured you could trust, you
established it with a covenant... The two heads of each family would often
represent the rest of the family, and they would join names... The evidence
of that practice is still around us today.
The symbology of a covenant involves the committment of laying down of ones
life for the other..... It is where the expression 'blood is thicker than
water' came from, which like most things, is distorted in today's common
parlance. You could not choose who your brother by birth was, but you did
choose who your covenant brother was - therefore there is relationship that
is closer than a (natural) brother.... A covenant was absolutely
unbreakable.... the only release from it was death... Marriage is such a
covenant, and that is why we still say 'till death us do part'.....the groom
and bride feed each other cake to symbolize their "i will even lay down my
life for you' bond... some cultures still bind the wrists with a red cloth
to symbolize the joining of the blood... (symbols of the agreement) and
thanks to being a more "civilized" society, we have become covenant breakers
on a routine basis. Marriage no longer means what it used to, and children
suffer greatly because of it.
Hell is another word for the grave... a place of decay and destruction....
and thank goodness that those who *delight* in doing harm are destined for
such a place, so the rest of creation doesn't have to put up with it
forever. There is a prison for the devil and his angels.... If you have been
pardoned by the judge, but you refuse to accept his generous offer, you have
to do the time... That sort of decision is yours... Law is a necessary part
of God's creation... You can be perfect, or except the pardon, or recieve
the just punishment.... your free will, so make up your mind...
God is a God of order, not disorder.. One would think the fact the judge has
provided a way out of punishment (by taking it upon himself) would be
indicative of his unwillingness to see anyone receive it. Are you familiar
with logic?
You have to have law to maintain order and freedom. God is showing us what
disorder looks like... he's giving everyone a choice... so now is the time
to decide if you want to serve order or disorder.
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-26 10:01:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> Which verbiage means very little.
> >
> > It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> > non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> > psychological viewpoint.
>
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
or a system of it [P.O.D.]
Andrew
>>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>>> psychological viewpoint.
>>
>> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>
>
> 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
> or a system of it [P.O.D.]
I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
any time studying the subject.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> >>> psychological viewpoint.
> >>
> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
> >
> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
>
> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
> any time studying the subject.
The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind
because true love is found in the hearts of our souls. Those who
suffer from the delusion that love resides in the mind never find it.
Such is the evil of satan's lies:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan
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J666
(in message
<fb23ed97-625f-403f...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
> true love is found in the hearts of our souls
And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Fred Jones
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
Lying is satins native language? Religion speaks it quite well also.
Bill M
> friend Andrew wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>
>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
>> >>
>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>> >
>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
>> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
>>
>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
>
> The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind
> because true love is found in the hearts of our souls.
What is a heart doing pumping blood in our spiritual soul?
Your either delusional or drunk!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Father Haskell
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:32:36 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message
>
> > true love is found in the hearts of our souls
>
> And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved.
If the donor had a hot wife, do you get her, too?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many
books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
The are/were people restless to inquire into the workings of
the human mind, trying to ferret out why we behave the way
we do and why we do what we do. For example, right up to
date, an Austrian male reported yesterday as having fathered
seven children with his own daughter - that kind of thing.
There are two basic viewpoints. The human mind is a kind of
divine creation, not perfect but all the same something
different and special, set apart from the minds [brains] of
other living things, and;
The human brain is an exception to the evolutionary rule,
some even say a freak within the scope of nature,
recognising as we do the difficulty in observing the human
mind as the only tool available to do this is, regrettably,
just another mind.
A favorite tool is the Bell Curve where human attributes are
measured and plotted on a graph. The simplest is a
classroom of boys who are measured for height. The very
shortest will fall within the left hand bottom curve of the
bell shape and the ultra tall in the opposite lower corner
of the bell, the average make up the sides and top [the
body] of the bell. If itelligence or IQ is used we get a
similar shape.
Very basic, but if we could measure 'religious tendency' the
same would apply, far on the right would be the ultra
religious person [the fundamentalist], whilst the rest of
the RH side of the bell would be normal religious types
swinging left to those who do not care about gods and on the
far left people like me.
If nothing else it shows how different we all are and that
at the end of the day none of us are right, even though we
would like to think we are.
Who shall decide, when doctors disagree
[Pope]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
monkfish
> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
>> said:
>>
>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non
>> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
>> >>
>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>> >
>> >
>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on or a
>> > system of it [P.O.D.]
>>
>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
>
> Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung,
> Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
>
Hard to believe.
What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
to the point of loving even our enemies?
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because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
bob young
monkfish wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:30:02 -0500, bob young wrote:
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
> >> said:
> >>
> >> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non
> >> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> >> >>> psychological viewpoint.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on or a
> >> > system of it [P.O.D.]
> >>
> >> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
> >> any time studying the subject.
> >
> > Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung,
> > Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
> >
>
> Hard to believe.
>
> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
> to the point of loving even our enemies?
what is the point of answering your posts?
monkfish
> monkfish wrote:
>>
>> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
>> to the point of loving even our enemies?
>
> what is the point of answering your posts?
You will learn to be grateful for everything.
bob young
monkfish wrote:
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> bob young wrote:
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> > monkfish wrote:
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> >> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
> >> to the point of loving even our enemies?
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> > what is the point of answering your posts?
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> You will learn to be grateful for everything.
I am very grateful to the 'DELETE' button
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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Yes that is the origins of banal beliefs, repeat claims
often enough even intelligent people will believe them.
That is what Hitler's propaganda chief said
'Tell the masses a big lie often enpough and in time they
will all beleive it"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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Repetition does not a god create.
If there s a god it should show, like your book claims it
showed to Moses over two thousand years ago.
What's wrong? God lost some of 'his' powers !?
Or is it all a gigantic swindle justified by man made myths ?
Smile
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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God should..................
Speak to someone today as it is claimed 'god' spoke to Moses
on the mountain top.
Show itself to someone today; as it is claimed God
'revealed' itself to Moses on the mountain top.
(The biblical claim - And he saw God face to face, and he
talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses;
therefore Moses could endure his presence.)
Create another son of god and have him sort out the current
international mess that makes the world of Jesus seem like
paradise by comparison.
This new 'Son of God' can then do more of the following:
A) Walk on water
B) Cure a selected number of cripples and lepers - not all
of them of course, since this was not the case before. [And
we know why don't we?]
C) Feed the world with five loaves and fishes in readiness
for the forecasted serious food shortage, particularly in
Africa where thousands are currently starving.
D) Prevent tsunamis of the kind we saw two years back which
swept over two thousand innocent children out to sea to
drown, leaving behind around six thousand life long grieving relatives.
E) Heal another epileptic boy and another Centurion's
servant. [This time let's make it a 'politicians servant]
And he should heal *every* epileptic boy and *every*
politicians servant that is about to die, rather than an
opportunistic one
This should be enough for starters.
monkfish
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Pastor Frank
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> Andrew wrote:
>> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
>> said:
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>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
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>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
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>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
>> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
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>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
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> Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many
> books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
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Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord
and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations of
love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be, such as we see
in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)