Re: Why Those Who Don't Like Bahais Come Into This News Group to condemn Bahais?
Alexander
like them so much? There are much better ways to point out your case then
being rude to them. You can be rude to me all you want, I'll take the
lashes like Jesus did before he was put to death by being crucified like
many others before him and many after him, and I'll continue to forgive you
for it. I come in here because it is my Unitarian Universalist duty to
learn and make friends with all people of all faiths and all walks of life.
And besides, I don't hate Iranians I just don't like the government of Iran.
That is why I have stoped being an Iranian. Because they, meaning the
Iranian government has done nothing but to make fools of us on the world
stage. And if you think that is wonderful, then good for you; you made your
bed now lay in it.
Blessed Be.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universlaist Pantheist)
"Azal" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> You are an imbecile. If you don't like anything, than piss off or
> killfile.
>
> W
>
Azal
First, if you had taken your head of your backside you would know that
I am an ex-baha'i. Second, no Iranian government has ever constituted
_the Iranian people_ as a whole, whether by representation or
otherwise. To then say you have stopped calling yourself an _Iranian_
because of the government confounds you as the sell-out and fool that I
say you are. Iran is the Elborz mountains and the sprinkling of those
pure celestial waters which flow from those ranges. It is Ohrmazd, the
Fravashi and Xvaranah of the Mazda Yasna, Zarathustra and the
Saoshyant. It is Persepolis, Istakhr, Takht-i-Jamshid. It is the
Caspian. It is Ferdowsi. It is Rudaki. It is Suhravardi. It is Sa'di,
Hafiz, Rumi, et al. It is the Feminine Archangel Houri-Daena who is
reflected in the celestial face of every Iranian woman. It is a culture
and peoples spanning well over 3,500 years of recorded history. Iran is
not now nor has it ever been the Islamic republic. Iran is Eyran-Vej,
the archetypal celestial land of the Archangels of Light, of which the
physical Iran is a physical epiphany.
W
Alexander
it is not an Islamic state, which it is. But you would not know that since
you are a man and never had to cover your head with a sary, feeling trapped.
Women are not being cared for as you might think they do in Iran. Remember
that when the Shah was ruling women had more freedom like men. Now even men
and women don't have much freedom of expression. Forget about women because
no man in Iran who is a follower of the Islamic Republic would ever allow a
woman to talk over him or even make any guestures. Don't you not think that
most of our problems were self inflicted then just a matter of outside
influence? If we wanted a country we all could call home, then why didn't
we? We don't need a militant leader to tell us how to live or have sex,
etc..., all we need is respect from our government and other people and
other governments as well.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
"Azal" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Azal
see for yourself that 99% of the people couldn't give a rat's backside
about the Islamic religiosity of the country or what the mullahs and
their supporters say. Hang out in Tehran, Isfahan, Tabriz, Shiraz or
even Mashhad for any length of time and you will see that there is more
gender freedom behind the public screen of Islamic religiosity than
what the Western propaganda machine is telling you. Behind this screen
you will also see more mini skirts and cleavage than you can stomach.
There is also more alcohol, sex, drugs and rock'n'roll behind the
screen than any American university campus town as well. So much for
the Khomeinist puritanical Islamist state!
>But you would not know that since
>you are a man and never had to cover your head with a sary, feeling trapped.
>Women are not being cared for as you might think they do in Iran.
My maternal great-great-great grandmother was Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn,
Iran's (1st) feminist revolutionary mystic martyr, Babi leader and
heroine, so I would in fact know about these things.
>Don't you not think that
>most of our problems were self inflicted then just a matter of outside
>influence?
No, because the removal of Mohammad Mossadeq by the CIA in 1953 and the
British support for the mullahs prior and after this removal, was not
self-inflicted. Nor is the fact that the AmeriKKKan power elite of the
1970s being behind the removal of the Shah, the foisting of the mullahs
as a geopolitical strategy for destabilizing the Soviet Union - not to
mention Western Intelligence's outright aid to the IRI in destroying
the secular Left - self-inflicted. Nor was Russian-British subversion
of the Constitutional Revolution of 1905-09 self-inflicted. Nor is the
fact that the politics of the entire region dominated by petroleum
self-inflected. Nor the fact that the economic elite of the West being
racists bent on keeping non-European, non-Anglo peoples from
prospering, ad nauseum, self-inflicted.
Instead of reading Spinoza, and being infatuated by Unitarian
Universalist fluff bunny nonsense and other sedating Western bourgeosie
deceptive discourses, maybe you should read Franz Fanon and Jalal Al-e
Ahmad for a change.
W
Beelzebabe
"Azal" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You haven't been to Iran for awhile. You should take a trip "home" and
> see for yourself that 99% of the people couldn't give a rat's backside
[snip]
When's the last time you were "home", Wahid?
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Alexander
ideology? Just wondering.
I am going to read the books you have mentioned.
Thank you.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Panthiest)
"Azal" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alexander
http://www.muslimhope.com/Bahai.htm
There has been conflict between the Babis and Bahais. Babis are now called
Azalis.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
"Kent Johnson" <ke...@compx2.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Brid,
>
> The issue is whether or not there is a concerted effort to "shun" or
ignore
> certain people.
>
> I think that it takes no effort to ignore, that the Baha'i resources saved
> by ignoring certain people should be used elsewhere. It is better to
shun,
> ignore, and use precious resources elsewhere. Sorry if I was unclear.
>
> --Kent
>
> "Brid" <bridci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1147463537....@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > The way I see it, Kent, it does not seem that your Baha'i resources are
> > spent on ignoring them. It's true that the questions which Wahid Azal
> > has repeatedly posed in recent months regarding 'cultural genocide' in
> > Iran have indeed been ignored and a series of ad hom attacks launched
> > instead. Do you see those attacks as a positive contribution?
> >
> > Kent Johnson wrote:
> >> > shunning is behaviour
> >> > informed by the words and deeds of Baha'u'llah, the Master and the
> >> > Guardian themselves.
> >>
> >> The way I see it, Brid, is the Principle Figures of the Baha'i Faith
> >> either
> >> met or foresaw the future existence of Derrick and Azal and others like
> >> them
> >> with nothing positive to contribute. They foresaw that our Baha'i
> >> resources
> >> would be better spent ignoring them.
> >>
> >> --Kent
> >>
> >>
> >> "Brid" <bridci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1147440990.6...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > hong...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> Hi, Brid and Alexander..
> >> >
> >> > Hello Michael,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >and I don't like it when my fellow Bahai brothers and
> >> >> > > sisters are being shuned by others. I would like to know why?
> >> >>
> >> >> It is uninformed behaviour. The need of the hour is to demonstrate
the
> >> >> actual Baha'i behaviour, overcome such shunning and proceed
> >> >> harmoniously to a fuller understanding of what Baha'i really
teaches.
> >> >
> >> > The problem I have here, Michael, is that shunning is behaviour
> >> > informed by the words and deeds of Baha'u'llah, the Master and the
> >> > Guardian themselves. It has been the actual Baha'i behaviour, taught
> >> > and practiced from the start.
> >> >
> >> > Brid
> >> >
> >
>
>
Kent Johnson
"Alexander" <poo...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Alexander
It has to do with the conversation you were having about the subject of
shuning and such.
Alexander
(Unitarian Universalist Pantheist)
"Kent Johnson" <ke...@compx2.com> wrote in message
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All Bad
Beelzebabe wrote:
> In article <1147431806.0...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Azal" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You haven't been to Iran for awhile. You should take a trip "home" and
>>see for yourself that 99% of the people couldn't give a rat's backside
>
> [snip]
>
> When's the last time you were "home", Wahid?
>
Nima? Do you go home for some of Mom's dinner, a shower, a shave and a
few hours in the fart sack? Do you stop by to pick up allowance?
- All Bad
Azal
the baha'is. Those who recognize the vicegerency and mirrorhood of
Subh-i-Azal in sucession to the Bab call themselves Bayanis not Azalis.
W
Azal
you cultists traveling back and forth from the West, while running to
human rights groups claiming "cultural genocide."
W
PaulHammond
You wanted to insult the Bayanis, mebbe?
Paul
All Bad
I'm relieved to read that you have now discovered that there are no
Azalis. That is progress.
- All Bad
Azal
Date: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:26 am
Subject: Paul Hammond suspended for rules violations ex_bahai
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Dear Ex-Baha'i Members,
This message is to inform you that Paul Hammond has been suspended for
two weeks from membership in this group for repeated rules violations,
despite receiving warnings for his misbehavior in the past.
Do NOT post any responses to this message to the group. And do NOT
respond to the off-topic ad hominem message from Paul Hammond that may
have arrived in your inbox (that means you, Starr). It has been
deleted from the message archives and we are going to continue
productive spiritual discussions in this group as though the rules
violation never happened.
All members please take note that the rules of this group WILL be
enforced when members repeatedly violate them.
Sincerely,
Eric
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From: "stiago338" <stiago338@...>
Date: Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:52 pm
Subject: Paul Hammond and Starr Safa stiago338
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Dear Eric
I wish to commend your courage in taking sanctions against these
two.
I often find it intimidating to post in a forum where one regular
poster is openly backing Susan Maneck, Pat Kohli and then Steve
Marshall on trb.
It is also annoying to receive volumes upon volumes of posts from
someone whose knowledge about the history of babism and bahaism is
so obviously flawed and tries to dressup the lack of subtance with
psuedo academic essays.
There is simply no room for such individuals in ex-bahai. We are
trying to rid ourselves of the last vestages of bahai. Once again
thankyou and keep up the great work.
tiago
Azal
early death.
W
Azal
rendered on TRB, do you declare these monies to the IRS, or are these
monies undeclared, as I assert, in which case you would be a tax
evader??
Btw, a "fart sack" is the definition of the whore who sleeps next you.
W
All Bad
> I am even more elated to learn that your bad health will result in your
> early death.
I tell that to all the boys who threaten to kill me. I can't imagine
where you hear it from.
- All Bad
All Bad
Azal wrote:
> No. But when the US NSA makes your monthly payments for services
> rendered on TRB, do you declare these monies to the IRS, or are these
> monies undeclared, as I assert, in which case you would be a tax
> evader??
>
Unlike you, I am here for my own entertainment, not my daily bread.
> Btw, a "fart sack" is the definition of the whore who sleeps next you.
>
http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/fart%20sack
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fart+sack
http://wordwizard.com/slangstreet/showslang.asp?Street=Sleeping
Try google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22fart+sack%22&btnG=Search
It will help you communicate better than just making stuff up.
= All BAd
PaulHammond
Azal
behind a computer all day long writing for your cult?
W
Azal
Bullshit. You get paid for being here as clear as the noon day sun, as
does your dumbfuck sidekick "Paul Hammond."
W
Azal
"waheed" (one, alone, unique) have existed in the Arabic language
before 1844. Get a clue! Better yet, jump off a cliff.
W
PaulHammond
substantiated
accusation?
Azal
Cal and the fact that Eric Stetson - as well as others on his list -
finally clued in to the fact that you are a piece of crap and booted
you accordingly.
W