Why are Christians so bad? (When Bad Christians Happen to Good People)
Barbara Schwarz
failed to make the world to a better place?
I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts to
lie that Jesus loves them. What a pest!
Did anybody read this book? Is it good?
When Bad Christians Happen to Good People
http://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-Happen-Good-People/dp/1578564905
Barbara Schwarz
husk
wrote:
Barbara, as a Christian I would like to respond. I have tried many
Christian denominations, seeking out one that both educated me and
treated all members, female and male, with equality. It took a while,
but I found one. Is it perfect? no, because man is not perfect. One
sermon was on the development of an evangelist. We were taken through
the stages that one goes through when becoming Christian. From the
awakening stage at the beginning to the I am a Christian because of
what I do stage at the end. A lot of talk focused on the 4th stage,
which was the self-righteous Christian, the one would approach anyone
and accuse them of not doing it right while forcing their
interpretation of the bible as if they had all the answers. The
message from this sermon is that when you reach this stage it is your
duty to shut the hell up. Only once you reach the stage that people
can tell you are a Christian by your deeds and not by what is spouted
from your mouth, are you ready to spread the good news.
So Barbara, when you are attacked by Christians they are most likely
stuck in that fourth stage, where their words turn off more potential
Christians than their deeds do to attract new Christians.
As for why, in your opinion Christians have not made the world a
better place, they do in some places. It all depends on whether the
change agent is a 4th stage Christian who should keep his trap shut or
a fifth stage Christian who does good deeds without expecting any
reward, such as Mother Theresa.
By the way Jesus loves everyone regardless of their failings.
hoser1605
Just looked at the table of contents over at Amazon. It seems to be
decidedly of poor quality.
hoser1605
Pitiful stuff. 4th stage, 5th stage whatever. Kindergarten stars.
walksalone
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> On Nov 18, 12:26�am, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>> It is said most people on Earth are Christians, so how come they
>> failed to make the world to a better place?
>>
>> I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
>> uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts
>> to lie that Jesus loves them. What a pest!
>>
>> Did anybody read this book? Is it good?
>>
>> When Bad Christians Happen to Good People
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-Happen-Good-People/dp/1578564905
>>
>> Barbara Schwarz
>
> Barbara, as a Christian I would like to respond. I have tried many
> Christian denominations, seeking out one that both educated me and
And there is a portion of your problem. Not yours personally, xianity in
general. You see, if xianity was a universal truth, there could only be
one version. It yet, within the Protestant portion of the myth, at my
last count known was in excess of 25,000 particular denominations.
Pretty much a pick and choose situation.
> treated all members, female and male, with equality. It took a while,
I rather imagine it did because, basically speaking, the mythology does
not take female and male as equals. If the female is always subordinate
& this is not optional. It is taught not only in the Hebrew Bible, but
the Greek Testaments as well and never, but never, put up an item for
discussion or exceptions. Some refer to Ruth In the Judges as an
exception to the rule. But this is the period prior to the formalization
and canonization of the Hebrew Bible which was written in approximately
-545 Gregorian.
> but I found one. Is it perfect? no, because man is not perfect. One
That is, commonly referred to to as blame the victim, and is a technique
used within propaganda and advertising. Let me give you a real-life
example.
Where I work as a young girl showed up needing employment, but not too
many hours a week lest it interfere with your Medicare benefits. She is
handicapped mentally she is very slow. She has as some physical problems
as well but that was the primary one, and people had told her for years
she could not use a computer for anything but playing games and e-mail.
But she was willing to try. All she really had to do was scan records
and convert them to PDFs. The delight she showed when she found out she
could do that in spite of everyone's telling her. No way in hell, and
someone like myself who says, well maybe you can't, but maybe you can.
She was willing to try, and she positively glowed when she found out,
she could do the work required.
In that aspect of her life, she is no longer a victim. She knows there
are things she's never going to be able to do, and not just because of
her handicap.
> sermon was on the development of an evangelist. We were taken through
> the stages that one goes through when becoming Christian. From the
> awakening stage at the beginning to the I am a Christian because of
> what I do stage at the end. A lot of talk focused on the 4th stage,
> which was the self-righteous Christian, the one would approach anyone
> and accuse them of not doing it right while forcing their
> interpretation of the bible as if they had all the answers. The
> message from this sermon is that when you reach this stage it is your
> duty to shut the hell up. Only once you reach the stage that people
> can tell you are a Christian by your deeds and not by what is spouted
> from your mouth, are you ready to spread the good news.
A nice concept, however it's limited. Limited to the group that will
practice it instead of simply talk about it. In other words, it is a
minority and not representative of the people that hold the mythology at
large.
But in reality, in spite of my 65 years of crawling and walking around
this world, I have never met such a xian. It seems I've always been
aware of there are good people, and bad people. And both definitions
depend on my point of view, which has been developed by the societies
that I live in. Just because I think something is bad, brainwashing
children into any mythology is an example, does not mean the remainder
of society will accept that. The difference between me and Christians,
and possibly one of the primary ones, I have no burning need to tell
society, they are wrong. It's enough for me and my peace of mind and my
tranquility to know the only immortality I will have is through my
children and other descendents, and the actions I have taken in the here
and now. I have no need of the xian hell called heaven. And yes, I am
aware of the various heavens espoused by the various mythologies of the
human race. And varigated is to put it mildly.
> So Barbara, when you are attacked by Christians they are most likely
> stuck in that fourth stage, where their words turn off more potential
> Christians than their deeds do to attract new Christians.
When one is attacked by xians, one has several options. I personally
prefer to rent it back down their throat starting out with Abraham and
the sheer impossibility of the mythology being correct. Whereas this
will have no effect on the idiot at large, it frequently has a benign
effect on any that are observing the conflict, introduced by the
so-called religion of peace. Usually not in their favor. I've even had
an occasional xian tell me, they learned something by watching or
hearing such an exchange. I have even had a few asked me to no longer
engage in such conversations with them because, it would make them
question their faith. Of course, I had no problem with that. They
tolerate my atheism, and I tolerate their aberration as well. But I
always leave them out, I am willing to find works that will help them
reinforce their mythology and its misconceptions where they are
concerned.
> As for why, in your opinion Christians have not made the world a
> better place, they do in some places. It all depends on whether the
& exactly where is that. I am aware of any community worldwide that is
without problems. Especially without problems if they have a xian
population. Without being harsh about it, I have never encountered that
situation, and I suspect, neither have you.
> change agent is a 4th stage Christian who should keep his trap shut or
> a fifth stage Christian who does good deeds without expecting any
> reward, such as Mother Theresa.
I take it you have a read only one side of the story where she is
concerned. From my point of view, ethically and morally she is as evil
as they came.
> By the way Jesus loves everyone regardless of their failings.
Two problems there, first the lack of historical evidence for one Jesus
the Christ, a.k.a. Jesus Ben Joseph.
Not Christians, the individual himself.
And if he loves everyone, why is there suffering in the world?
Especially among what we would refer to as the innocent.
That is a dangerous question for interesting to attempt to answer
because, suffering does exist and is not a byproduct of love under any
circumstances. Love is unconditional, no strings attached. The love of
the claimed Jesus the Christ in his big daddy, who was first known as
�l, and possibly as Ba'al, but in the final edition Yahweh, is anything
but unconditional. You must love and honor them above all others, yet
they do not earn this love and honor shown by human standards. Something
no apologetic has ever been able to get around without coming up with
phony reasons. If nothing else, I could expect a god worthy of worship
as being ethically superior to me. That none of them are makes me
suspect and accept that there are no gods except for those created by
humans themselves.
In spite of all that, have a great day and ask yourself, why is
Scientology involved in this group when it supposedly in this case, it
is a group created for discussion of the Baptist Church? Can we both say
a flame bait at the same time, I think we can this time.
walksalone who does except that there are some good xians, but they are
in a definite minority. And surprise surprise, frequently when I meet
them, we do not agree on very much. At least whether mythology is
concerned. So what. They too are entitled to believe as they will as
long as it harms no one else, and brings minimal harm to themselves. In
that category, self flagellation comes to mind.
Religions are conclusions for which the
facts of nature supply no major premises.
Ambrose Bierce, Collected Works(1912)
Barbara Schwarz
> On Nov 18, 12:26 am, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It is said most people on Earth are Christians, so how come they
> > failed to make the world to a better place?
>
> > I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
> > uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts to
> > lie that Jesus loves them. What a pest!
>
> > Did anybody read this book? Is it good?
>
> > When Bad Christians Happen to Good People
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-Happen-Good-People/dp/1578564905
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Barbara, as a Christian I would like to respond. I have tried many
> Christian denominations, seeking out one that both educated me and
> treated all members, female and male, with equality. It took a while,
> but I found one. Is it perfect? no, because man is not perfect.
You have the right to respond and of course to chose your religion,
Husk. But you say that man is not perfect. I only agree with you so
far that a good person can make an innocent mistake. But one can be as
perfect never do anything bad on purpose. And that is pretty much
perfect and this is how I live my scientological life.
> One
> sermon was on the development of an evangelist. We were taken through
> the stages that one goes through when becoming Christian. From the
> awakening stage at the beginning to the I am a Christian because of
> what I do stage at the end. A lot of talk focused on the 4th stage,
> which was the self-righteous Christian, the one would approach anyone
> and accuse them of not doing it right while forcing their
> interpretation of the bible as if they had all the answers. The
> message from this sermon is that when you reach this stage it is your
> duty to shut the hell up. Only once you reach the stage that people
> can tell you are a Christian by your deeds and not by what is spouted
> from your mouth, are you ready to spread the good news.
Sounds like a destructive cult to me. Why would somebody not allowed
to say what's on his or her mind.
>
> So Barbara, when you are attacked by Christians they are most likely
> stuck in that fourth stage, where their words turn off more potential
> Christians than their deeds do to attract new Christians.
Read Neal Warren's (Greg Hall) postings, he is mean, rude,
provocative, he is anything but kind and peaceful, he wants war, he
likes to degrade and suppress women and he gives a damn on the
commentments. Like an infiltrator in Scientology, he does not apply
the good parts of his religion.
Same goes for his sidekick Lady Pilot or the many troll names that she
uses as Olatha, etc. Neal wrote me that she is a poor woman in
Oklahoma and a Christian, the dependable type. He indicates that he
doesn't want her. But he pays her newsreader that she can defame and
attack me anonymously. They both have lose screws and I do not want to
be pulled in their disfuncational Christian relationship. I have
nothing to do with them and they both should leave me alone. That
woman even lies that I would try to find men on Craig Lists and men
would come to my house, which is likely what she is doing.
One can spot her easily because she is the one who posts also bible
citations and pretty much the only one who supports Greg Hall's
posting on ARS.
I have never done anti-Christian postings as Jonathon Barbera but
since Neal and Ms. trailertrash defame me and my religion, I
understand his anger better, guess Christians showed their non-
religious face also to him.
> As for why, in your opinion Christians have not made the world a
> better place, they do in some places. It all depends on whether the
> change agent is a 4th stage Christian who should keep his trap shut or
> a fifth stage Christian who does good deeds without expecting any
> reward, such as Mother Theresa.
This is just too much, Husk. There is no justification for bad
behavior of anybody belonging to any religion or non-religion.
I was not allowed to live with L. Ron Hubbard brought up as a
Christian. My uncle in German is a Christian minister. I resigned from
Christianity after I discovered how non-religious and untrue they are
and Neal and his libeling Christian sidekick just acknowledge it how
bad they really are.
The first thing what Christians learn is to keep the Commandments.
Yet, Neal and his sidekick violate them constantly. And not just they.
Also other Christians lied so often to me.
So, what good is a religion, if its members does not apply the goog
thing? Neal is just a Christian to degrade women and thinks he goes to
paradise for it. He is so mistaken.
>
> By the way Jesus loves everyone regardless of their failings.
What makes you think it is true? I think you Christians make a huge
mistake by preaching that. Jesus even took a whip to drive out the bad
guys from the temple.
The problem of Christianity is that Christians wrongfully think they
can sinn all they want and that God and Jesus will forgive them
anyway. There is no need to be good.
And that is the trap. No such people will be forgiven.
Barbara Schwarz
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Here are factual criminal records about Hausherr's friend, the
habitual offender, defamer and forger Korey Jerome Kruse from Olathe,
Kansas. I am very certain that Kruse defames himself in ridiculous
postings saying about himself that he is convicted Nazi spy, etc. to
DISTRACT from his REAL rotten activities and criminal past, which is
here:
Barbara Schwarz
The Dark Bible Women's Inferior Status
Burn the daughter!
Cut off her hand!
Expose her breasts!
Female births get penalty
Female inferiority
God's OK on abortion
Jesus will kill children
Kill the witches!
Moses' mass murder
Rape my daughter
Raping and killing
Silence the woman!
Stone the woman
"Virgin" mistranslation
Virgin's worth
Wives, submit yourselves!
Women shall not speak
Women's sorrow
Rip up pregnant women
The wicked woman
And here the bible paragraphs, where you can find that disgusting
stuff.
http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
Barbara Schwarz
husk
wrote:
Thank you for your response Barbara.
Regarding the 4th stage Christian. And I'm not going to judge other
Christians here, they can peg themselves, but everyone has seen non-
Christian behaviour, by those professing to be Christian. I didn't
say the Christian church had the power to shut these people up, only
that the sermon indicated that it is best for the reputation of all
Christians, that when you are in the 4th stage to control that urge to
judge others and feel superior about yourself. When, or if, you
reach the fifth stage, and you are correct that is the minority, that
you let your deeds speak for yourself and that you expect no reward
other than the joy of helping others.
I don't claim to be entirely fifth stage, it is difficult to be that
selfless, but I do recognize that it is not my place to be the judge
of others. Walk a mile in their shoes the saying goes.
You are also correct that there is no excuse for bad behaviour. The
sermon I mentioned wasn't trying to provide an excuse, it was trying
to point out a specific hazard many will encounter during their
Christian life.
As for the degradation of women in the Bible, as well as homosexuals.
I differ from many Christians that I do not believe the Bible to be
the literal word of God transcribed. While inspiration from God was
certainly possible, the Bible was written by men who have cultural
biases and/or agendas. All authors have a cultural bias and many have
an agenda. Many books of the Bible were passed down orally. It
simply is not possible to pass down stories orally without loss of
accuracy. \
As for Jesus loving all regardless of their failings, if just means
that everyone has the opportunity to atone for their sins. The
sincerity of their atonement will be judged by another, not me.
For the Atheists out there, I have one question. How do you explain
that my consciousness became present in my body starting sometime
after June 1960? Why does my consciousness not inhabit your body?
Barbara Schwarz
Gee, Husk, and the Christians call Scientology a cult? How dare them.
>
> I don't claim to be entirely fifth stage, it is difficult to be that
> selfless, but I do recognize that it is not my place to be the judge
> of others. Walk a mile in their shoes the saying goes.
>
> You are also correct that there is no excuse for bad behaviour. The
> sermon I mentioned wasn't trying to provide an excuse, it was trying
> to point out a specific hazard many will encounter during their
> Christian life.
>
> As for the degradation of women in the Bible, as well as homosexuals.
> I differ from many Christians that I do not believe the Bible to be
> the literal word of God transcribed.
Neal Warren believes God scribbled that dirt himself.
> While inspiration from God was
> certainly possible, the Bible was written by men who have cultural
> biases and/or agendas. All authors have a cultural bias and many have
> an agenda. Many books of the Bible were passed down orally. It
> simply is not possible to pass down stories orally without loss of
> accuracy. \
So, you admit that the bible was written by people. And that is what
it was.
I can't believe that those sexists who bash women in the bible was
inspired by anything but satan.
>
> As for Jesus loving all regardless of their failings, if just means
> that everyone has the opportunity to atone for their sins. The
> sincerity of their atonement will be judged by another, not me.
Christians commit horrible hate crimes and they all justify them by
saying that Jesus will forgive them. Neal Warren posted that even mass
murderers are being forgiven by Jesus.
But I actually have not seen any act of forgivenness by mass murders
by Jesus.
Did you?
Barbara Schwarz
>
> For the Atheists out there, I have one question. How do you explain
> that my consciousness became present in my body starting sometime
> after June 1960? Why does my consciousness not inhabit your body?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
husk
wrote:
> But I actually have not seen any act of forgivenness by mass murders
> by Jesus.
> Did you?
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
Have we seen any mass murderer who have sincerely taken part in
rehabilitation, sincerely changed their outlook from evil to good and
sincerely asked for forgiveness? Can't remember any.
What I have seen is drug dealers, substance abusers, petty thieves,
adulterers admit their failures before the congregation, set out a
path for rehabilitation and earn forgiveness. That seems genuine to
me.
As for those who commit hate crimes who claim to be Christian. Anyone
can claim to be a Christian, it doesn't mean they are one.
Barbara loves Marty
> On Nov 18, 5:10 pm, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> > But I actually have not seen any act of forgivenness by mass murders
> > by Jesus.
> > Did you?
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Have we seen any mass murderer who have sincerely taken part in
> rehabilitation, sincerely changed their outlook from evil to good and
> sincerely asked for forgiveness? Can't remember any.
In other words, they are not being forgiven. And being forgiven
doesn't cut it. There is just one thing to make things good again, and
this is to make amends to exactly those who were harmed.
For example, some people do something bad to a certain person and
think that if they donate some stuff to the Salvation Army that God
will forgive them and they will be relieved from the burden. They will
be be not. A person who did something bad has to make up the crime to
exactly that person who he harmed in order to feel relief. That is
what L. Ron Hubbard researched and he was 100% right.
>
> What I have seen is drug dealers, substance abusers, petty thieves,
> adulterers admit their failures before the congregation, set out a
> path for rehabilitation and earn forgiveness. That seems genuine to
> me.
It won't work. They harmed certain people and in order to get relief
from the past and feel good and proud again, they need forgiveness not
just by God and Jesus but by exactly the person or the persons that
they harmed. They is no other way. And when there is a person who
doesn't want to forgive for a Billion year, tough luck for the person
who needs forgiveness. He should have thought before committing the
crime.
>
> As for those who commit hate crimes who claim to be Christian. Anyone
> can claim to be a Christian, it doesn't mean they are one.
That is exactly what I am saying, Husk, and the same applies for
people who claim that they are Scientologists. Anybody can claim to be
a Scientologist, it doesn't mean that they are one.
Barbara Schwarz
Gregory Hall
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> failed to make the world to a better place?
Wrong. Only 33%. http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
If Christains could convert all the heathens such as Scientologists to
Christianity the world would be a far better place. But the work of the Lord
is long and difficult, just as Jesus said it would be.
> I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
> uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts to
> lie that Jesus loves them. What a pest!
So I tease you a little. And flirt. Don't make a federal case out of it,
Barbara. Consider the fact that somebody likes you enough to pay attention
to you as a compliment. If I really disliked you I would simply ignore you.
>
> Did anybody read this book? Is it good?
>
> When Bad Christians Happen to Good People
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-Happen-Good-People/dp/1578564905
>
In language you might understand, Barbara Burchett is an apostate.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
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As a Christian, myself, I must respond to the above.
None of what you wrote has anything to do what Jesus Christ taught us. It is
all the work of men. Men who know NOTHING compared to what Jesus knows. When
you listen to men and forget what Jesus taught you have gone down the wrong
path.
Repent.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
On Nov 18, 6:55 am, husk <h...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> On Nov 18, 12:26 am, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It is said most people on Earth are Christians, so how come they
> > failed to make the world to a better place?
>
> > I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
> > uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts to
> > lie that Jesus loves them. What a pest!
>
> > Did anybody read this book? Is it good?
>
> > When Bad Christians Happen to Good People
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-Happen-Good-People/dp/1578564905
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Barbara, as a Christian I would like to respond. I have tried many
> Christian denominations, seeking out one that both educated me and
> treated all members, female and male, with equality. It took a while,
> but I found one. Is it perfect? no, because man is not perfect.
:: You have the right to respond and of course to chose your religion,
:: Husk. But you say that man is not perfect. I only agree with you so
:: far that a good person can make an innocent mistake. But one can be as
:: perfect never do anything bad on purpose. And that is pretty much
:: perfect and this is how I live my scientological life.
What a load of crap. One woman's perfection is another man or woman's
garbage. You are guilty of the sin of pride, Barbara, acting like you are in
a position to judge your's and others' perfection. You are in no such
position.
:: Read Neal Warren's (Greg Hall) postings, he is mean, rude,
:: provocative, he is anything but kind and peaceful, he wants war, he
:: likes to degrade and suppress women and he gives a damn on the
:: commentments. Like an infiltrator in Scientology, he does not apply
:: the good parts of his religion.
Gregory Hall, aka Neal Warren, is an originalist Christian. To us,
Christianity is the teachings of Jesus Christ as put forth in the King James
Version of the Bible and not the clergy and philosophers that are nothing
more than a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's. Anything they say that
contravenes the Bible is blasphemy.
I, Gregory Hall, aka Neal Warren, cannot abide any dilution of God's word by
men no matter how well-meaning they might be. Political correctness is
something Jesus would have rejected outright. Jesus never beat around the
bush. Jesus came right out and told it like it is and if somebody was
offended he didn't give a crap.
:: Same goes for his sidekick Lady Pilot or the many troll names that she
:: uses as Olatha, etc. Neal wrote me that she is a poor woman in
:: Oklahoma and a Christian, the dependable type. He indicates that he
:: doesn't want her. But he pays her newsreader that she can defame and
:: attack me anonymously. They both have lose screws and I do not want to
:: be pulled in their disfuncational Christian relationship. I have
:: nothing to do with them and they both should leave me alone. That
:: woman even lies that I would try to find men on Craig Lists and men
:: would come to my house, which is likely what she is doing.
You know nothing about her so you should stop with the lies and gossip. You
will not have any credibility at all if you keep on this path to destruction
of your soul.
:: One can spot her easily because she is the one who posts also bible
:: citations and pretty much the only one who supports Greg Hall's
:: posting on ARS.
She also does one fine job exposing the crimes of Scientology. Admit it,
Barbara, that is why you hate her so. She sheds the light of truth on the
dark, dank and festering corridors in the orgs. So your defense is the
Scientology defense. You fair-game her. But she is probably two or three
times more intelligent than you are and she has friends in very high places.
Don't make her mad or you just might find yourself deported one of these
days. Count your lucky stars that I am on your side in most things. If
you're nice to me I can perhaps protect you against her if she tries to get
you deported back to Germany.
:: I have never done anti-Christian postings as Jonathon Barbera but
:: since Neal and Ms. trailertrash defame me and my religion, I
:: understand his anger better, guess Christians showed their non-
:: religious face also to him.
You understand so little since you had your brain manipulated by the SS
after the C o S wanted to get rid of you. But, even they control your mind,
they don't control your soul. And until you start taking care of your soul
it will not outlast your body.
> As for why, in your opinion Christians have not made the world a
> better place, they do in some places. It all depends on whether the
> change agent is a 4th stage Christian who should keep his trap shut or
> a fifth stage Christian who does good deeds without expecting any
> reward, such as Mother Theresa.
:: So, what good is a religion, if its members does not apply the good
:: thing? Neal is just a Christian to degrade women and thinks he goes to
:: paradise for it. He is so mistaken.
I don't degrade women. I don't place women on a pedastal as femiNazi women
these days demand. The Bible says women are to be helpmates - not the head
but the body that the man's head tells what to do. This is not my opinion.
This is Christian fact. But, a woman's soul is just as valuable as a man's
soul to God. God just doesn't care that much about bodies that were made
from dust and will return to dust. The best way a woman can protect her soul
is to do what the Bible tells her to do - not what some woman's liberation
movement tells her.
>
> By the way Jesus loves everyone regardless of their failings.
:: What makes you think it is true? I think you Christians make a huge
:: mistake by preaching that. Jesus even took a whip to drive out the bad
:: guys from the temple.
Duh, I can tell you never had children, Barbara. If you were a parent you
would know you always love your children even when they are bad. You will
punish them for their own good but you still love them. Humanity is God's
children. God loves all his children - even the bad ones. God has provided a
way for the bad ones's souls to be saved. It's easy. Believe in Jesus Christ
and the fact that He died to forgive our sins. Try to life a Christian life
knowing that you can never fully succeed but try anyway. Ask God to forgive
your sins.
:: The problem of Christianity is that Christians wrongfully think they
:: can sinn all they want and that God and Jesus will forgive them
:: anyway. There is no need to be good.
Wrong! Good deeds have little to do with salvation. Jesus Christ is the only
road to salvation. He said, "You must come to the Father through me."
Even the most heinous of murderers will be forgiven if they repent of their
sins and accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Where you become
confused is God and Jesus never said that punishment for being bad should be
withheld. As a matter of fact Jesus said a murderer should turn himself into
the authorities to receive his punishment if he expects to be forgiven his
sins. He should accept the punishment even if that punishment is death. His
body will die but his soul will be saved if he does this.
Again you must view this in the perspective of God who thinks little of
bodies. Dust to dust. It's only the soul that matters to God. The body is of
little consequence. It's only purpose is to house the soul for a while and
to learn the meaning of free will and consequences.
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Gregory Hall
Dario Western
I'm a Christian myself, but please do not dump all Christians into the 'bad'
basket because of some who willingly disobey or distort Jesus Christ's
teachings.
I would suggest you read what the Bible says about these people you have
described. Jesus himself said "Not everybody who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will
gain God's Kingdom, but only those who do what God commands them to do. In
the last days when I return, many will say to me: 'Lord, Lord, in your name
did we not prophesy, heal the sick, perform many wonders, and cast out bad
spirits?' And I will reply: 'I never knew you! Depart from me, you
evildoers!' "
Hope that this helps.
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Best wishes,
Dario Western
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"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Rod
> It is said most people on Earth are Christians, so how come they
> failed to make the world to a better place?
The first answer is that they aren't able to do so. If you'll take
a close look at Psalm 2:11 & 12 Serve the LORD with fear, and
rejoice with trembling.
Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.
They live in fear, too afraid to think, having made themselves
bondservants of a psychotic.
>
> I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians. They do not
> uphold the commandments. They are rotten as hell. But have the guts to
> lie that Jesus loves them.
He does love them...and they are just as he is. They see it as
perfection, being "like" their lord.
What a pest!
No, they are much worse than that. They are a potential resident
Al Quaeda in the US. One only has to wonder when the Al Quaeda
style stonings and beheadings will commence in the states, should
the republican evangelicals return to power....
Have a good day Barbara, and I wish you luck in dealing with the
lunatics who are circling in for a kill...
Barbara Schwarz
Christians have indeed no right to point the finger on anybody. Neal
Warren and his "poor" ex-girlfriend from Oklahoma both post bible
citations on usenet and they are vicious and conscienceless defamer.
Christianity is a failure and people like Neal Warren and this cheap
woman confirm it constantly.
Barbara Schwarz
Gregory Hall
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Gregory Hall
Barbara Schwarz
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Gregory Hall
Plonk!
Gregory Hall
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Subject line corrected again.
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Gregory Hall
Maureen
wrote:
> It is said most people on Earth are Christians, so how come they
> failed to make the world to a better place?
>
> I am harassed, defamed, libeled and abused by Christians.
(couldn't resist, sorry)
Maybe this would suit your need for atonement:
'... Launching today is the free "Go to Hell" app for Facebook that
lets you banish friends, foes, family, products (everything Twilight
please!) or other such materialistic goods to the nine circles of
hell: Limbo, Lust, Gluttony, Gree, Anger, Heresy, Violence, Fraud or
Treachery in celebration of the upcoming Dante's Inferno video game.
Once there, users can choose to punish or absolve the sinners and see
how the community reacts. The app also comes with a "Hell Browser" so
you can keep track of everyone who's been damned thus far, and to what
circle of hell they were sent to. So far, Megan Fox has been sent to
Lust and Sarah Palin to Treachery for those curious. Also, iPhone
users can expect a free app to hit the AppStore shortly.
“This app is awesome! Not only will it be a blast to see who the world
sends to hell, but it’s also a great opportunity to take Dante’s
notion of the 9 circles of hell and make it current and relevant for
people who may not be familiar with the poem,” said executive producer
Jonathan Knight. “Let the damning begin.”'
Barbara Schwarz
Neal Warren and his abusive sidekick isn't worth the time to open a
Facebook page. They should post on their own newsgroup
alt.Christian.liars.and.stalkers
Barbara Schwarz
Rod
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:4ef5c0c3-0575-4f6c...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> <snip>
>
>
> Subject line corrected again.
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>
you why what Barbara said is true;
Psalm 2:11 Give worship to the Lord with fear, kissing his feet and
giving him honour,
Psalm 2:12 For fear that he may be angry, causing destruction to come
on you, because he is quickly moved to wrath. Happy are all those who
put their faith in him.
Now, if you honestly believe that those that follow a psychotic as
described in the two verses can be honest, loving and kind, or
anything other than brutal and merciless, then you are not being
honest with yourself or anyone.
Gregory Hall
news:hefe5p$gh4$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Let's look at what it states in the King James Bible which many (myself
included) think is the most accurate translation.
Psalm 2:11-12 (King James Version)
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him
Stupid is what stupid does, dude! In the Bible the word "fear" doesn't
always mean to be afraid of. It can also be a term of respect. It means to
honor as in 'Serve the Lord with honor.' A God fearing man isn't frightened
of God he is respectful of God and honors Him.
And, please note what it says in Verse 12. Kiss (in those days one kissed
the hand of the king as a sign of respect and humility) the Son (Jesus) lest
he be angry and ye perish from the way (the only way to Heaven is through
the Son so don't piss him off with your arrogance)
Get it now? A plain, simple and sensible message. I don't know where you
came up with your translation but it's not accurate, for sure.
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Gregory Hall
Rod
grip on your mind, but you're not seeing what I'm seeing. The King James
translation of Psalm 2:11 & 12 doesn't read much different. The point
being, 3 versions I've seen so far paint a picture of a psychotic. I
don't know where you comes from, but fear means just that...FEAR. Those
2 verses in Psalm describe a psychotic with a hair trigger temper. What
witchery that is preventing you from seeing this fact escapes me.......
but your choice will not lead to good things...