>ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >i just did;
>its worth noting that: >a) i am not a hard drugs user, >b) i don't generally use opiates, and >c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them;
>lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates?
>i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >which appears to be why >codeine doesn't affect me; >this didn't affect me; >i am caucasian which only adds to >the likelihood of this possibility affecting me
>any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >matters >would be greatly appreciated
Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the codiene because it's not strong enough. Make sure to tell everyone what happens.
>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >>> i just did;
>>> its worth noting that: >>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, >>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and >>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them;
>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates?
>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>> which appears to be why >>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>> this didn't affect me; >>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me
>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>> matters >>> would be greatly appreciated
>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >> codiene because it's not strong enough. Make sure to tell everyone >> what happens.
> >>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? > >>> i just did;
> >>> its worth noting that: > >>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, > >>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and > >>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them;
> >>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: > >>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? > >>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates?
> >>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, > >>> which appears to be why > >>> codeine doesn't affect me; > >>> this didn't affect me; > >>> i am caucasian which only adds to > >>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me
> >>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these > >>> matters > >>> would be greatly appreciated
> >> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you > >> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the > >> codiene because it's not strong enough.
"Codeine is for horses and not for men" as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him.
Spencer Spindrift wrote: > On Sep 11, 4:23 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:38:08 +0100, Dr_de_Bauche <spiral.thr...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> Rob Cypher wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote: >>>>> hello >>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >>>>> i just did; >>>>> its worth noting that: >>>>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, >>>>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and >>>>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them; >>>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? >>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>>>> which appears to be why >>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>>>> this didn't affect me; >>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me >>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>>>> matters >>>>> would be greatly appreciated >>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >>>> codiene because it's not strong enough.
> "Codeine is for horses and not for men" > as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... > and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him.
He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on beasts who could not even consent.
And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the Dead did Casey Jones.
> >>>>> i just did; > >>>>> its worth noting that: > >>>>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, > >>>>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and > >>>>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them; > >>>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: > >>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? > >>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? > >>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, > >>>>> which appears to be why > >>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; > >>>>> this didn't affect me; > >>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to > >>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me > >>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these > >>>>> matters > >>>>> would be greatly appreciated > >>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you > >>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the > >>>> codiene because it's not strong enough.
> > "Codeine is for horses and not for men" > > as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... > > and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him.
> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless > there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't > say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster > than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on > beasts who could not even consent.
> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the > Dead did Casey Jones.
I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. Who was he? -- We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my scrip in half. -- If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969
Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA.
Spencer Spindrift wrote: > On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: >> Spencer Spindrift wrote: >>> On Sep 11, 4:23 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> Rob Cypher wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine?
> This is called DF118 in the UK and is NO FUN. It's a painkiller and it > also kills all emotion.
>>>>>>> i just did; >>>>>>> its worth noting that: >>>>>>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, >>>>>>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and >>>>>>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them; >>>>>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >>>>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>>>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? >>>>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>>>>>> which appears to be why >>>>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>>>>>> this didn't affect me; >>>>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>>>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me >>>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>>>>>> matters >>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated >>>>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >>>>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >>>>>> codiene because it's not strong enough. >>> "Codeine is for horses and not for men" >>> as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... >>> and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him. >> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless >> there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't >> say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster >> than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on >> beasts who could not even consent.
>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the >> Dead did Casey Jones.
> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. > I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. > Who was he?
Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally wiped out in the original.
> -- > We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but > my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to > help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s > due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my > scrip in half.
I have to agree about REM slep and I too have a lot of trouble with sleep. I take taurine 500 mg, one, two or three caps starting at my nominal bed time and if one gets me to sleep I don't take the next one. If two won't get me to sleep I take the third one.
Oh and by the way have you heard of the use of Undenatured Whey Protein for chronic fatigue with immune dysfunction syndrome? If you want more information get back to my private mail and I will send you my breathing exercise article as well which helped me a lot in my younger days.
> -- > If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power > of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as > given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. > -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969
> Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA.
Unfortunately lots of judges deny the jurymen that opportunity. To get out of jury duty in the USA usually the mention of this power to overturn the unjust law is enough. Ohh the danger to society of justice.
On Sep 20, 2:35 am, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote:
> Spencer Spindrift wrote: > > On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > >> Spencer Spindrift wrote: > >>> On Sep 11, 4:23 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>> Rob Cypher wrote: > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine?
> > This is called DF118 in the UK and is NO FUN. It's a painkiller and it > > also kills all emotion.
I have tried it but don't like it. Junkies use it in preference to codeine as it's stronger. I never had a habit but I have used. I preferred shooting amphetamine sulphate to H. in the time before crack. I've done that too but it's too expensive to get a habit.
> >>>>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? > >>>>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? > >>>>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, > >>>>>>> which appears to be why > >>>>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; > >>>>>>> this didn't affect me; > >>>>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to > >>>>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me > >>>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these > >>>>>>> matters > >>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated > >>>>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you > >>>>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the > >>>>>> codiene because it's not strong enough. > >>> "Codeine is for horses and not for men" > >>> as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... > >>> and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him. > >> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless > >> there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't > >> say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster > >> than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on > >> beasts who could not even consent.
> >> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the > >> Dead did Casey Jones.
> > I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. > > I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. > > Who was he?
> Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine > Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
> It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead > put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back > in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally > wiped out in the original.
Now I remember, but I don't get what you mean "usually deleted in the kiddies school song books..."
> > -- > > We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but > > my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to > > help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s > > due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my > > scrip in half.
> I have to agree about REM slep and I too have a lot of trouble > with sleep. I take taurine 500 mg, one, two or three caps > starting at my > nominal bed time and if one gets me to sleep I don't take the > next one. > If two won't get me to sleep I take the third one.
I haven't tried that. It's just a supplement isn't it?
> Oh and by the way have you heard of the use of Undenatured Whey > Protein for chronic fatigue with immune dysfunction syndrome?
I've heard of it but haven't tried it as I think I'm lactose intolerant. I'm also alcohol intolerant during relapses.
> If you want more information get back to my private mail > and I will send you my breathing exercise article as well which > helped me a lot in my younger days.
My email is valid but I haven't been able to meditate as well as I did before ME. I am familiar with pranayama.
> -- > > If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power > > of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as > > given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. > > -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969
> > Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA.
> Unfortunately lots of judges deny the jurymen that opportunity. > To get out of jury duty in the USA usually the mention of this power > to overturn the unjust law is enough. Ohh the danger to society of > justice.
Isn't that unconstitutional? We don't have this in the UK.
Spencer Spindrift wrote: > On Sep 20, 2:35 am, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: >> Spencer Spindrift wrote: >>> On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: >>>> Spencer Spindrift wrote: >>>>> On Sep 11, 4:23 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Rob Cypher wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >>> This is called DF118 in the UK and is NO FUN. It's a painkiller and it >>> also kills all emotion.
> I have tried it but don't like it. Junkies use it in preference to > codeine as it's stronger. I never had a habit but I have used. I > preferred shooting amphetamine sulphate to H. in the time before > crack. I've done that too but it's too expensive to get a habit.
>>>>>>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>>>>>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? >>>>>>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>>>>>>>> which appears to be why >>>>>>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>>>>>>>> this didn't affect me; >>>>>>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>>>>>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me >>>>>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>>>>>>>> matters >>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >>>>>>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >>>>>>>> codiene because it's not strong enough.
>>>>> "Codeine is for horses and not for men" >>>>> as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... >>>>> and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him.
>>>> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless >>>> there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't >>>> say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster >>>> than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on >>>> beasts who could not even consent. >>>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the >>>> Dead did Casey Jones. >>> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. >>> I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. >>> Who was he? >> Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine >> Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
>> It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead >> put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back >> in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally >> wiped out in the original.
> Now I remember, but I don't get what you mean "usually deleted in the > kiddies school song books..."
>>> -- >>> We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but >>> my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to >>> help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s >>> due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my >>> scrip in half. >> I have to agree about REM slep and I too have a lot of trouble >> with sleep. I take taurine 500 mg, one, two or three caps >> starting at my >> nominal bed time and if one gets me to sleep I don't take the >> next one. >> If two won't get me to sleep I take the third one.
> I haven't tried that. It's just a supplement isn't it?
Trust me that their are supplements available over the counter at health food stores that can precipitate psychotic breaks which happened to a former correspondent on cfs-l years back when it was still at the previous server. The best thing about taurine is that it is very inexpensive and may work. If it fails you won't be out much money.
>> Oh and by the way have you heard of the use of Undenatured Whey >> Protein for chronic fatigue with immune dysfunction syndrome?
> I've heard of it but haven't tried it as I think I'm lactose > intolerant. I'm also alcohol intolerant during relapses.
Whey protein has little to do with lactose, I thought I would be allergic myself but it helped me and then I got into milk and realized that it has two protein components: casein which is the insoluble protein floating in suspension of water, lactose, etc., milk fat and whey which is a soluble protein in that water. Whey is separated out in cheese making and the powdered whey is a very rich source of many long chain amino acids in that about a 60 cc measure contains about 17-18 grams of very good protein. I am apparently sensitive to bovine casein but not bovine whey nor Goat milk.
And the Undenatured part is important too. It means that the substance has not been subjected to high temperature Pasteurization. That is enough to ruin the therapeutic qualilty of the Whey. A French doctor used to give his patients a whey supplement made from some of that fine French milk which was being used to produce some lovely expensive cheese. The doctor found out about the problem when the government insisted that the milk be Pasteurized at much higher temperatures which led to the whey being unable to help the patients. So this sort of product mentions low temperature processing and ultra-filtration usually instead, of a clear statement about being Undenatured Whey.
>> If you want more information get back to my private mail >> and I will send you my breathing exercise article as well which >> helped me a lot in my younger days.
> My email is valid but I haven't been able to meditate as well as I did > before ME. I am familiar with pranayama.
This is Ki or Chi breathing and it has another name as well but it is not concerned with pranayama but simply with breathing in a slow controlled manner say 4 times a minute but you can make progress from a much faster breathing rate. I think of it as merely a form of bio-feedback training.
>> -- >>> If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power >>> of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as >>> given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. >>> -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969 >>> Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA. >> Unfortunately lots of judges deny the jurymen that opportunity. >> To get out of jury duty in the USA usually the mention of this power >> to overturn the unjust law is enough. Ohh the danger to society of >> justice.
> Isn't that unconstitutional? > We don't have this in the UK.
> Spencer Spindrift wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2:35 am, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > >> Spencer Spindrift wrote: > >>> On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > >>>> Spencer Spindrift wrote: > >>>>> On Sep 11, 4:23 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> Rob Cypher wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? > >>> This is called DF118 in the UK and is NO FUN. It's a painkiller and it > >>> also kills all emotion.
> > I have tried it but don't like it. Junkies use it in preference to > > codeine as it's stronger. I never had a habit but I have used. I > > preferred shooting amphetamine sulphate to H. in the time before > > crack. I've done that too but it's too expensive to get a habit.
> >>>>>>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? > >>>>>>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates? > >>>>>>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, > >>>>>>>>> which appears to be why > >>>>>>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; > >>>>>>>>> this didn't affect me; > >>>>>>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to > >>>>>>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me > >>>>>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these > >>>>>>>>> matters > >>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated
> >>>>>>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you > >>>>>>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the > >>>>>>>> codiene because it's not strong enough.
> >>>>> "Codeine is for horses and not for men" > >>>>> as Clapton sang and he should know having been a junkie... > >>>>> and an alcoholic in the past. Electrical acupuncture cured him.
> >>>> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless > >>>> there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't > >>>> say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster > >>>> than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on > >>>> beasts who could not even consent. > >>>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the > >>>> Dead did Casey Jones. > >>> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. > >>> I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. > >>> Who was he? > >> Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine > >> Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
> >> It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead > >> put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back > >> in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally > >> wiped out in the original.
> > Now I remember, but I don't get what you mean "usually deleted in the > > kiddies school song books..."
> >>> -- > >>> We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but > >>> my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to > >>> help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s > >>> due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my > >>> scrip in half. > >> I have to agree about REM slep and I too have a lot of trouble > >> with sleep. I take taurine 500 mg, one, two or three caps > >> starting at my > >> nominal bed time and if one gets me to sleep I don't take the > >> next one. > >> If two won't get me to sleep I take the third one.
> > I haven't tried that. It's just a supplement isn't it?
> Trust me that their are supplements available over the > counter at health food stores that can precipitate psychotic breaks > which happened to a former correspondent on cfs-l years back > when it was still at the previous server. > The best thing about taurine is that it is very inexpensive > and may work. If it fails you won't be out much money.
> >> Oh and by the way have you heard of the use of Undenatured Whey > >> Protein for chronic fatigue with immune dysfunction syndrome?
> > I've heard of it but haven't tried it as I think I'm lactose > > intolerant. I'm also alcohol intolerant during relapses.
> Whey protein has little to do with lactose, I thought > I would be allergic myself but it helped me and then I got > into milk and realized that it has two protein components: > casein which is the insoluble protein floating in suspension of > water, lactose, etc., milk fat and whey which is a soluble protein > in that water. Whey is separated out in cheese making and the > powdered whey is a very rich source of many long chain > amino acids in that about a 60 cc measure contains about 17-18 > grams of very good protein. I am apparently sensitive to bovine > casein but not bovine whey nor Goat milk.
> And the Undenatured part is important too. It means that > the substance has not been subjected to high temperature > Pasteurization. That is enough to ruin the therapeutic qualilty > of the Whey. A French doctor used to give his patients a > whey supplement made from some of that fine French milk which > was being used to produce some lovely expensive cheese. The > doctor found out about the problem when the government insisted > that the milk be Pasteurized at much higher temperatures which > led to the whey being unable to help the patients. So this sort > of product mentions low temperature processing and ultra-filtration > usually instead, of a clear statement about being Undenatured > Whey.
> >> If you want more information get back to my private mail > >> and I will send you my breathing exercise article as well which > >> helped me a lot in my younger days.
> > My email is valid but I haven't been able to meditate as well as I did > > before ME. I am familiar with pranayama.
> This is Ki or Chi breathing and it has another name as well > but it is not concerned with pranayama but simply with breathing in > a slow controlled manner say 4 times a minute but you can make > progress from a much faster breathing rate. > I think of it as merely a form of bio-feedback training.
> >> -- > >>> If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power > >>> of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as > >>> given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. > >>> -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969 > >>> Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA. > >> Unfortunately lots of judges deny the jurymen that opportunity. > >> To get out of jury duty in the USA usually the mention of this power > >> to overturn the unjust law is enough. Ohh the danger to society of > >> justice.
> > Isn't that unconstitutional? > > We don't have this in the UK.
> On Sep 20, 8:21 am, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > > Spencer Spindrift wrote: > > > On Sep 20, 2:35 am, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? > > >>> This is called DF118 in the UK and is NO FUN. It's a painkiller and it > > >>> also kills all emotion.
> > > I have tried it but don't like it. Junkies use it in preference to > > > codeine as it's stronger. I never had a habit but I have used. I > > > preferred shooting amphetamine sulphate to H. in the time before > > > crack. I've done that too but it's too expensive to get a habit.
> > >>>>>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these > > >>>>>>>>> matters > > >>>>>>>>> would be greatly appreciated
> > >>>>>>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you > > >>>>>>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the > > >>>>>>>> codiene because it's not strong enough. >>> He sang "Cocaine is for horses and not for men" unless > > >>>> there is another song. 'They say it will kill you but they don't > > >>>> say when." Cocaine was used to get the horses to run faster > > >>>> than normal. It could kill the horses too. Bad stuff to use on > > >>>> beasts who could not even consent. > > >>>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the > > >>>> Dead did Casey Jones. > > >>> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. > > >>> I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. > > >>> Who was he? > > >> Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine > > >> Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
> > >> It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead > > >> put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back > > >> in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally > > >> wiped out in the original.
> > > Now I remember, but I don't get what you mean "usually deleted in the > > > kiddies school song books..." > > >>> We NEED sleep, especially REM dreaming sleep. I've got Melatonin but > > >>> my source of Kratom has gone. Kratom is the only thing that seems to > > >>> help with Benzo withdrawal. I became addicted to Valium in the 1970s > > >>> due to Doctors over-prescribing. Now I have a new Doc. who has cut my > > >>> scrip in half. > > >> I have to agree about REM slep and I too have a lot of trouble > > >> with sleep. I take taurine 500 mg, one, two or three caps > > >> starting at my > > >> nominal bed time and if one gets me to sleep I don't take the > > >> next one. > > >> If two won't get me to sleep I take the third one.
> > > I haven't tried that. It's just a supplement isn't it?
See remarks re: Red Bull stimulant below.
> > Trust me that their are supplements available over the > > counter at health food stores that can precipitate psychotic breaks > > which happened to a former correspondent on cfs-l years back > > when it was still at the previous server.
Which ones are dangerous? I sometimes take 5-HTP, Guarana, Omega-3 and L-Phenylalanine. 1 and 3 have no evident effect but 2 and 4 are effective stimulants.
> > The best thing about taurine is that it is very inexpensive > > and may work. If it fails you won't be out much money.
> > >> Oh and by the way have you heard of the use of Undenatured Whey > > >> Protein for chronic fatigue with immune dysfunction syndrome?
> > > I've heard of it but haven't tried it as I think I'm lactose > > > intolerant. I'm also alcohol intolerant during relapses.
> > Whey protein has little to do with lactose, I thought > > I would be allergic myself but it helped me and then I got > > into milk and realized that it has two protein components: > > casein which is the insoluble protein floating in suspension of > > water, lactose, etc., milk fat and whey which is a soluble protein > > in that water. Whey is separated out in cheese making and the > > powdered whey is a very rich source of many long chain > > amino acids in that about a 60 cc measure contains about 17-18 > > grams of very good protein. I am apparently sensitive to bovine > > casein but not bovine whey nor Goat milk.
That explains why I can eat cheese or yoghurt but not raw milk.
> > And the Undenatured part is important too. It means that > > the substance has not been subjected to high temperature > > Pasteurization. That is enough to ruin the therapeutic qualilty > > of the Whey. A French doctor used to give his patients a > > whey supplement made from some of that fine French milk which > > was being used to produce some lovely expensive cheese. The > > doctor found out about the problem when the government insisted > > that the milk be Pasteurized at much higher temperatures which > > led to the whey being unable to help the patients. So this sort > > of product mentions low temperature processing and ultra-filtration > > usually instead, of a clear statement about being Undenatured > > Whey.
> > >> If you want more information get back to my private mail > > >> and I will send you my breathing exercise article as well which > > >> helped me a lot in my younger days.
> > > My email is valid but I haven't been able to meditate as well as I did > > > before ME. I am familiar with pranayama.
> > This is Ki or Chi breathing and it has another name as well > > but it is not concerned with pranayama but simply with breathing in > > a slow controlled manner say 4 times a minute but you can make > > progress from a much faster breathing rate. > > I think of it as merely a form of bio-feedback training.
Oh, you mean Chi Gong. I studied T'ai Chi Chuan and Kung Fu under Chee Sui in the 1980's. Using breath control I can focus strength into any limb but it's endurance that's the problem with ME.
> > >>> If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power > > >>> of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as > > >>> given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. > > >>> -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969 > > >>> Not a lot of people know that a jury can overturn the law in the USA. > > >> Unfortunately lots of judges deny the jurymen that opportunity. > > >> To get out of jury duty in the USA usually the mention of this power > > >> to overturn the unjust law is enough. Ohh the danger to society of > > >> justice.
> > > Isn't that unconstitutional? > > > We don't have this in the UK. > > What don't you have in the UK?
Such a jury law and a written constitution. The law goes on precedent.
> Isn't Taurine the active ingredient in Red Bull?
Damn me! U R right. It's a stimulant like Guarana which I prefer. How can it help with sleeping?
> Spencer Spindrift wrote: >> On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: >>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the >>> Dead did Casey Jones. >> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. >> I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. >> Who was he? > Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine > Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
> It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead > put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back > in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally > wiped out in the original.
Casey Jones was a real person, a train engineer who died in an awful crash; he had stayed on board trying to slow the train in order to save others.
The cocaine thing, though, was entirely made up by the Dead.
> > Spencer Spindrift wrote: > >> On Sep 19, 9:34 pm, B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote: > >>> And I didn't care too much about any musical remarks after the > >>> Dead did Casey Jones. > >> I stand corrected - sorry my memory has gone. You are right. > >> I'm not familiar with Casey Jones as I'm not a Deadhead. > >> Who was he? > > Casey Jones driving that train high on cocaine > > Casey Jones you better watch your speed.
> > It was an old song about a railroad engineer and the Dead > > put some usually deleted in the kiddies school song books back > > in.my youth. I think that Casey missed a curve and got totally > > wiped out in the original.
> Casey Jones was a real person, a train engineer who died in an awful crash; > he had stayed on board trying to slow the train in order to save others.
> The cocaine thing, though, was entirely made up by the Dead.
A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five.
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben. Ist easy droppenpacket der routers und overloaden der backbone mit der spammen unt der me-tooen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken.
After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself.
Rob Cypher wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:38:08 +0100, Dr_de_Bauche <spiral.thr...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> Rob Cypher wrote: >>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote:
>>>> hello
>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >>>> i just did;
>>>> its worth noting that: >>>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, >>>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and >>>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them;
>>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates?
>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>>> which appears to be why >>>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>>> this didn't affect me; >>>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me
>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>>> matters >>>> would be greatly appreciated >>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >>> codiene because it's not strong enough. Make sure to tell everyone >>> what happens.
Hahahhaha...that you take anything Eddy says as being the truth shows just how utterly fucking moronic you really are. Whereas on the other hand there is film of you eating dogshit available for all to see on the net....film that you encouraged everyone for months to watch, and even hassled the fuck out of the TV company when they wanted to drop your segment because you are so boring and unhinged. When they finally did show it, and the entire fucking net drug community got to see what a fruit-loop whack job fresh for the psyche ward you really are, you start with the usual "exploitation" bullshit.
Benny Leaman was Eddy's last bitch; look like he's got you to suck his stinking balls now though.
>>> Rob Cypher wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT), Starbuck <mstarb...@live.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> hello
>>>>> ever had any experience with dihydrocodeine? >>>>> i just did;
>>>>> its worth noting that: >>>>> a) i am not a hard drugs user, >>>>> b) i don't generally use opiates, and >>>>> c) i have absolutely no tolerance to them;
>>>>> lack of effect [once again] leaves me asking this question: >>>>> have you ever heard of something termed "CYP2D6"? >>>>> something to do with the inner-metabolism of opiates?
>>>>> i believe i am sorely lacking in this area, >>>>> which appears to be why >>>>> codeine doesn't affect me; >>>>> this didn't affect me; >>>>> i am caucasian which only adds to >>>>> the likelihood of this possibility affecting me
>>>>> any first hand experience you would care to share regarding these >>>>> matters >>>>> would be greatly appreciated >>>> Drink 8 oz of Robotussin Max cough syrup. You will find out if you >>>> are truly CYP2D6 resistant or just another junkie who can't feel the >>>> codiene because it's not strong enough. Make sure to tell everyone >>>> what happens.
>Hahahhaha...that you take anything Eddy says as being the truth shows >just how utterly fucking moronic you really are. Whereas on the other >hand there is film of you eating dogshit available for all to see on the >net....film that you encouraged everyone for months to watch, and even >hassled the fuck out of the TV company when they wanted to drop your >segment because you are so boring and unhinged. When they finally did >show it, and the entire fucking net drug community got to see what a >fruit-loop whack job fresh for the psyche ward you really are, you start >with the usual "exploitation" bullshit.
I bet you beat off to that. Pee drinkers tend to be poop eaters too.
>Benny Leaman was Eddy's last bitch; look like he's got you to suck his >stinking balls now though.
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