Christian 12-step program
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
life-destroying addiction to christianity?
David J. Vorous
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
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Rev Stone
says...
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
Here's one:
Step 1. Buy some half-inch rope, at least fifteen feet long.
Step 2. Tie a noose in the rope.
Step 3. Find a hook, beam, joist, or other structure at least eight feet
off the ground that will support your weight. Preferably this will be
in a room with a door that locks.
Step 4. Get a ladder that will enable you to comfortably reach the
support structure located in step three.
Step 5. Tie the rope to the support structure so that the noose is just
below it.
Step 6. Get some handcuffs.
Step 7. Lock the door to the room.
Step 8. Have a couple of drinks, but don't get drunk (just drink enough
to feel nice and relaxed) -- you'll need to remain coordinated enough to
complete the last four steps.
Step 9. Climb the ladder.
Step 10. Put your head through the noose and pull it tight.
Step 11. Cuff your hands behind your back.
Step 12. Kick the ladder away.
Richard II
<bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
<MPG.18a52fba...@news.alt.net>:
>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
if there isn't, you can start one.
the only step which gets changed is the first one.
1. we admitted that we were powerless over Christianity, that believing that
shit made our lives unmanageable.
you can play with the wording till you are completely satisfied. the rest of
the steps remain the same.
you would still have God in the steps, but remember that it is "God as you
understand God."
my biggest mistake in understanding was that God is God, not what one
religion says God is.
HTH
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and then find a new way to live. :-)
Denis Loubet
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
DOH!
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
The Nolalu Barn Owl
Depends on the type of Christianity.
There used to be a Fundamentalists Anonymous but they don't seem to
have a site anymore so I assume they don't exist.
Anyway, using the 12-Steps to ask help from God to break an addiction
to God is a house divided (Matthew 12:25 - Mark 3:24 - Luke 11:17)
wouldn't you think? Looks like this subject was rather important as
it was emphasized by its many occurances.
Just another way that 12-Steppism is a Polar Opposite of the
Christianity it claims to have sprung from. There are more - keep
looking.
--
Gordie
Most 12-Steppers read the label on breakfast cereal carefully to see
what they are putting into their bodies but were not so carefull to
check out their recovery programs and the claims they make. Don't
you think this life changing decision requires careful study before
devoting the rest of one's entire life to it?
When you started with 12-Step Recovery did you know what you were
getting into? Probably not since your best decisions (at that time)
left you with an unmanageable life. Also when you started with
12-Step Recovery you were not sane and wouldn't be for quite some
time (see Step 2). Not many people were in the position to make
an informed choice about something so important that they not only
devote their life to it but they set out to evangelize others.
I know you were told that XA is "spiritual and not religious" but
what if that statement proved to be a lie? If you were to find
out that AA and all of 12-Step Recovery is REALLY religious after all
would you still want to belong? What if you were to find out that
although 12-Step Recovery is religious it is NOT Christian?
Would it matter to you what the source of this religion is?
What would be your reaction if you were to find out that almost all
that you were told about 12-Step Recovery was a lie?
Why do you believe that 12-Step Recovery is telling you the truth?
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
> <MPG.18a52fba...@news.alt.net>:
> >Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>
> if there isn't, you can start one.
>
> the only step which gets changed is the first one.
>
> 1. we admitted that we were powerless over Christianity, that believing that
> shit made our lives unmanageable.
>
> you can play with the wording till you are completely satisfied. the rest of
> the steps remain the same.
>
> you would still have God in the steps, but remember that it is "God as you
> understand God."
>
> my biggest mistake in understanding was that God is God, not what one
> religion says God is.
>
> HTH
>
>
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seriousness is treated as a complete joke." -KK
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rickcovery
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
just a one step program
Step One: Worship Satan
Therion Ware
-0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> brought the total lines of
text written about "Re: Christian 12-step program" to 9. I decided to
observe the following about them:
a bit like swapping heroin for cocaine, one understands.
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** atheist poster child #1 **
Daniel Kolle
>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
No.
-Kolle; 14 A.A. #2035
Der verformte Kohl.
Koji Kondo are Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Richard II
message <avM_9.12818$ZX5.4...@twister.austin.rr.com>:
>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
>DOH!
the police force is a higher power than you.
it is that simple.
Richard II
<gor...@nolalu.on.ca> wrote in message
<00ln3vg9ubqeuh5r4...@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:14:02 -0500, The Scarlet Pumpernickel
><bu...@hotcross.com> wrote:
>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>Depends on the type of Christianity.
>There used to be a Fundamentalists Anonymous but they don't seem to
>have a site anymore so I assume they don't exist.
>Anyway, using the 12-Steps to ask help from God to break an addiction
>to God is a house divided (Matthew 12:25 - Mark 3:24 - Luke 11:17)
>wouldn't you think? Looks like this subject was rather important as
>it was emphasized by its many occurances.
>Just another way that 12-Steppism is a Polar Opposite of the
>Christianity it claims to have sprung from. There are more - keep
>looking.
ok Gordie, i am coming to a similar conclusion. but there are some crucial
differences.
i believe that what Jesus preaches in the NT is not core to current
Christian beliefs. especially Christian intolerance.
Christianity was wholly unable to save me from my problems. ultimately
Christianity did not cure my depression or assist me to work through my
anger, pain, frustration, character defects...
Christianity's focus was on the after death destination, rather than on the
here and now.
Christians did not understand my issues when i raised them in groups.
Christians did not understand the pain of how i was bullied at school and
how i became a bully myself.
Christians did not understand my issues with my parents. They merely told me
to respect them.
Christianity did not offer me the deep therapy I needed to get healed
inside. my lack of healing caused me to seek refuge in pleasures of the
flesh.
Christian pastors felt things could be solved merely by prayer and laying on
of hands and beseeching in Jesus Name to heal me!
Christianity offers no practical steps to fixing people.
Christianity focussed me on trying to manipulate my feelings to feel
perpetual joy and not being able to understand why I felt so miserable most
of the time.
In a nutshell, Christianity offered me no practical solution. it was unable
to help me.
>Most 12-Steppers read the label on breakfast cereal carefully to see
> what they are putting into their bodies but were not so carefull to
> check out their recovery programs and the claims they make. Don't
> you think this life changing decision requires careful study before
> devoting the rest of one's entire life to it?
my conclusion is that the 12 step program is what I need and I will build my
life upon that foundation and not on Christianity. I will read and accept
parts of the Bible if they help me with my recovery, and I will leave what
does not help me.
Christianity is itself a package deal - you get the good with the bad. my
strong feeling is that current Christians have lost their way.
my friend patrick likes the story i told him of package deals. i told him
that we cannot pick and choose what of something to accept and reject the
rest. if we choose to marry a girl, we get the good and the bad - we must
accept it all. if we choose to buy something we covet, we have to accept the
payment plan as well as the use of the asset.
so there's package deals, and there's also cherry picking. and God does
both. we have two logically inconsistent concepts. and both are valid in
their contexts. God shows us how to apply them and when.
my program is based on my feelings to a large extent, but also on my
decisions. it can be very hard to explain to be honest, but everything seems
perfectly easy to understand to me.
each day i decide to not use drugs, to talk to God and to ask Him for His
help, but during the day I rely heavily on my feelings to figure out what to
do. i just know that some feelings are right and should be listened to and
some are not right and should be rejected. and in amongst this all, i make
mistakes too. and i decide to love and accept myself each day.
do you see how this can seem all so very confusing and hard to do to a
newcomer? yet all this makes perfect sense to me. God shows me how to work
my life, from moment to moment. i live from moment to moment.
essentially, I just listen for instructions from God. that is how everything
works out for me. because if i tried to logically work out all these rules
and when and how to apply them, i would get hopelessly lost.
>I know you were told that XA is "spiritual and not religious" but
> what if that statement proved to be a lie? If you were to find
> out that AA and all of 12-Step Recovery is REALLY religious after all
> would you still want to belong? What if you were to find out that
> although 12-Step Recovery is religious it is NOT Christian?
> Would it matter to you what the source of this religion is?
i accept it. i prefer the NA religion to the Christian religion. but I also
call myself a Christian. just for today.
maybe tomorrow i will become a Buddhist, and my relationship with God will
continue unchecked.
it no longer matters what religion I am of, so long as God is in the centre
of my life.
>What would be your reaction if you were to find out that almost all
> that you were told about 12-Step Recovery was a lie?
> Why do you believe that 12-Step Recovery is telling you the truth?
it works if you work it. that much is true.
i am clean off all narcotics since Dec 7 2002. and i feel great. i have
never had a stronger relationship with God, because it is based 100% on my
daily decision to Believe in Him and to turn my will and my life over to His
care.
i would have thought that Christianity had a better message for me. but it
does not. and will never. in my opinion.
Richard II
in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
only on alternate Tuesdays which fall on vernal equinoxes when the dark side
of the moon shows towards earth.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:32:54 GMT, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in
> message <avM_9.12818$ZX5.4...@twister.austin.rr.com>:
> >"The Scarlet Pumpernickel" <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
> >DOH!
>
> the police force is a higher power than you.
Cops answer to judges.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
A dozen hits of good blotter.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
yourself.
Kevin Anthoney
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
Henh. Who was the highest power? Jebus? Or Pilate?
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
basically wanted to kill myself.
basically none of your ideas is of any use to man or beast. you are bankrupt
spiritually speaking. you are a blind man groping in the dark and none of
your so-called solutions even work for yourself. and you know it too.
the only solutions that matter a damn are those that come from God. the One
True God, not some made up can of fishpaste.
when the NA program speaks of "God as we understood Him" it does not mean we
invented God for ourselves. it means how we understood Him, how we mentally
conceived of Him. However the way we understand God does not necessarily
mean that God is that way. it's just the way we understand Him.
sometimes our understanding of what God is is severely distorted. I know an
atheist addict here who basically cannot get his program to work the magic
of recovery for him. He is clean (so he claims) but he has zero that I want.
He is an angry motherfucker who just irritates the shit out of me.
i don't see anyway forward for an atheist in the NA 12 step program. either
they get with God or they will get with their drugs again and die.
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3C8233.2E98@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
>> >DOH!
>> the police force is a higher power than you.
>Cops answer to judges.
uh huh.
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3C8299.5847@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
you are dying, China.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >rickcovery wrote:
> >> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>just a one step program
> >>Step One: Worship Satan
> >Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
> >yourself.
>
> my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
> hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
>
> i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
> skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
>
> there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
> basically wanted to kill myself.
>
Everyone else loathes and detests you.
So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
Toxic
<ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
><cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
><3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>>rickcovery wrote:
>>> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>>>just a one step program
>>>Step One: Worship Satan
>>Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
>>yourself.
>
>my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
>hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
Wow, so I guess you know how we ALL feel about you dick.
>i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
>skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
>there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
>basically wanted to kill myself.
So, if you wanted to kill yourself, then why didn't you? It's not
really that hard, dude, what stopped you?
>basically none of your ideas is of any use to man or beast. you are bankrupt
>spiritually speaking. you are a blind man groping in the dark and none of
>your so-called solutions even work for yourself. and you know it too.
Look who the hell is talking. Most of us here have never had a drug
problem. Do you want to know why? Because we respect ourselves too
much, we have too much pride in ourselves to allow ourselves to become
as pathetic as you. Before you start pointing fingers and calling us
blind and "spiritually bankrupt" maybe you ought to take a good look
at yourself.
Groping in the dark? Sounds an awful lot like you doesn't it?
"bankrupt spiritually speaking"... does that ring true with you? You
know it does.
Just because you are blind and ignorant and self-hating doesn't mean
everyone else is. Believe it or not, we get along pretty damn good, we
know where we are, where we've been and where we are going. We can see
beyond today, and plan for our future. We know that 1 year from now we
will not be addicted to some drug, or on the streets begging for
handouts. You can't see past today, you are just struggling along "one
day at a time", taking "baby steps". All you can do is project your
own sick, pathetic life on us, and to be quite honest, I'm getting
pretty tired of hearing all of your damn projecting.
>the only solutions that matter a damn are those that come from God. the One
>True God, not some made up can of fishpaste.
And who the fuck is this "One True God"? You allready said the Xtians
were full of shit, what about the Muslims or the Jews? How about
Bhudists? What if YOU are the "One True God", the master of your own
fate? What if the Truth is within you, and you had the power within
your own self to be whoever you chose to be? What if YOU create your
own "reality", and you choose what role you want to play in it?
>when the NA program speaks of "God as we understood Him" it does not mean we
>invented God for ourselves. it means how we understood Him, how we mentally
>conceived of Him. However the way we understand God does not necessarily
>mean that God is that way. it's just the way we understand Him.
The way you understand God DOES necessarily mean that God is that way.
God is in your mind, and however your mind understands this concept,
that is the way God is.
>sometimes our understanding of what God is is severely distorted. I know an
>atheist addict here who basically cannot get his program to work the magic
>of recovery for him. He is clean (so he claims) but he has zero that I want.
>He is an angry motherfucker who just irritates the shit out of me.
>i don't see anyway forward for an atheist in the NA 12 step program. either
>they get with God or they will get with their drugs again and die.
Or they get therapy from a good doctor, get their shit straight, and
get the fuck on with their life. You don't even know what the fuck you
are talking about. You don't need some concept of God to get your shit
straight, dick, you just need to focus. You are choosing to focus on
your own understanding of "God". On the other hand, many athiests have
found that by focusing on something else. Perhaps by focusing on
themselves, figuring out who they want to be and setting their minds
to becoming that person, they are able to overcome their addictions.
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Richard II
<bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
<MPG.18a7986d5...@news.alt.net>:
you can only speak for yourself.
>So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
i know i offend you. that's too bad.
but my point was well made. it exposes the weakness of worshipping oneself.
if one is not even loved or respected by oneself, it makes no sense to make
a god of oneself.
i needed to acknowledge God as Lord of my life. I need sustenance from
outside of me.
it makes as much sense to say I must feed myself without ingesting anything.
I will just feed upon myself and die.
all your atheist arguments are completely and utterly false and bankrupt.
every single one of them. you have nothing good. you are a void.
you have no solutions, just twisting in pain. you snarl and growl at God.
you shriek your nonsense in your abject pain. you recoil in horror at the
knowledge of your final destination.
you are hell bound and you all know it. you know it. you know it like you
know it. deep down inside. it's truth is so pure, it scares you shitless
when you glance in it's direction.
know this. you will die. and you will perish. and you are lost. and you will
not be found. you will disappear down the plug hole with no hope of
retrieval. unless you do something. right now. right now. this minute. this
precise minute.
you know what to do. do it, you fucking stupid motherfucking cocksucking
cunt fuck!!!
or die forever.
Al Klein
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>Richard II wrote:
>> the police force is a higher power than you.
>Cops answer to judges.
Only if they're arrested.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
Zymurgist # 2
Al Klein
<autod...@city-of-dis.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>In alt.atheism (and doubtless elsewhere), on Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19
>-0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> brought the total lines of
>text written about "Re: Christian 12-step program" to 9. I decided to
>observe the following about them:
>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>>> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>>just a one step program
>>Step One: Worship Satan
>a bit like swapping heroin for cocaine, one understands.
More like swapping heroin from one pusher with heroin from another
pusher, both of whom are supplied by the same importer. God and Satan
are both part of the same Christianity.
Richard II
message <kohr3v8qpdrauu74r...@4ax.com>:
>On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:41:58 +0200, Richard II
><ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
>>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>><cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
>><3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>>>rickcovery wrote:
>>>> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>>>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>>>>just a one step program
>>>>Step One: Worship Satan
>>>Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
>>>yourself.
>>my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
>>hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
>Wow, so I guess you know how we ALL feel about you dick.
you can speak only for yourself. your views are so weak, you need to invoke
imaginary support from others.
i am not going to lose sleep over what a fool who calls himself Toxic thinks
of me. i know what you think of yourself. you are poison. your entire self
is brimming with toxic poison. you live in a world of utter pain. the only
relief you find in stimulating your pleasure centres. you pleasure yourself
to escape your pain.
but you are living a nightmare.
>>i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
>>skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
>>there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
>>basically wanted to kill myself.
>So, if you wanted to kill yourself, then why didn't you? It's not
>really that hard, dude, what stopped you?
i want to live. i also knew that there was a way for me to live.
>>basically none of your ideas is of any use to man or beast. you are bankrupt
>>spiritually speaking. you are a blind man groping in the dark and none of
>>your so-called solutions even work for yourself. and you know it too.
>Look who the hell is talking. Most of us here have never had a drug
>problem. Do you want to know why? Because we respect ourselves too
>much, we have too much pride in ourselves to allow ourselves to become
>as pathetic as you. Before you start pointing fingers and calling us
>blind and "spiritually bankrupt" maybe you ought to take a good look
>at yourself.
you are NOT ok. that book "I'm OK, you're OK" was one big lie.
you are NOT ok. you are a rotting pile of garbage. the shit oozes out of
your every pore.
you disgust me.
>Groping in the dark? Sounds an awful lot like you doesn't it?
>"bankrupt spiritually speaking"... does that ring true with you? You
>know it does.
i know what rings true and i face it. you run from it.
you are the pathetic one. you are truly pathetic. and you know it.
>Just because you are blind and ignorant and self-hating doesn't mean
>everyone else is.
you are. nevermind the others. you are.
>Believe it or not, we get along pretty damn good,
i don't believe it. you are a pile of stinking shit. your family hates you.
>we know where we are, where we've been and where we are going. We can see
>beyond today, and plan for our future. We know that 1 year from now we
>will not be addicted to some drug, or on the streets begging for
>handouts. You can't see past today, you are just struggling along "one
>day at a time", taking "baby steps". All you can do is project your
>own sick, pathetic life on us, and to be quite honest, I'm getting
>pretty tired of hearing all of your damn projecting.
because the shit i throw onto you sticks. you are it. tag.
>>sometimes our understanding of what God is is severely distorted. I know an
>>atheist addict here who basically cannot get his program to work the magic
>>of recovery for him. He is clean (so he claims) but he has zero that I want.
>>He is an angry motherfucker who just irritates the shit out of me.
>>i don't see anyway forward for an atheist in the NA 12 step program. either
>>they get with God or they will get with their drugs again and die.
>Or they get therapy from a good doctor, get their shit straight, and
>get the fuck on with their life. You don't even know what the fuck you
>are talking about. You don't need some concept of God to get your shit
>straight, dick, you just need to focus. You are choosing to focus on
>your own understanding of "God". On the other hand, many athiests have
>found that by focusing on something else. Perhaps by focusing on
>themselves, figuring out who they want to be and setting their minds
>to becoming that person, they are able to overcome their addictions.
but not you. you are lost. just for today.
Toxic
No, I think he speaks for us all, dick.
>>So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
>
>i know i offend you. that's too bad.
>but my point was well made. it exposes the weakness of worshipping oneself.
>if one is not even loved or respected by oneself, it makes no sense to make
>a god of oneself.
So then the first step would be to love and respect oneself, it would
seem. You don't need some imaginare God for this, you need some
introspection, realize that you can be who you want to be, that if you
want to earn your own respect, then you need to take some fucking
action. If you don't love yourself, then change yourself. If you know
what you love, then become that.
Toxic
<ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
Guess again, Dick. You don't know what the fuck my nickname means, or
where it came from. You don't know me at all, and if you ever hope to
become sane, you might read what the fuck I write, and take it to
heart. The truth hurts like hell, doesn't it dick? It's Toxic. Watch
it, you allready have denied Christianity as being a mostly false
religion, your allready understanding, if you keep reading these
posts, you might totally slip into sanity, and honestly admit that
there is no "God" other then the one in your own mind. When you reach
that point, maybe you will stop projecting, asswipe.
>>>i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
>>>skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
>>>there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
>>>basically wanted to kill myself.
>>So, if you wanted to kill yourself, then why didn't you? It's not
>>really that hard, dude, what stopped you?
>
>i want to live. i also knew that there was a way for me to live.
So you mean, deep down inside you, you actuall respected yourself
enough and loved yourself enough to keep yourself alive?
>>>basically none of your ideas is of any use to man or beast. you are bankrupt
>>>spiritually speaking. you are a blind man groping in the dark and none of
>>>your so-called solutions even work for yourself. and you know it too.
>>Look who the hell is talking. Most of us here have never had a drug
>>problem. Do you want to know why? Because we respect ourselves too
>>much, we have too much pride in ourselves to allow ourselves to become
>>as pathetic as you. Before you start pointing fingers and calling us
>>blind and "spiritually bankrupt" maybe you ought to take a good look
>>at yourself.
>
>you are NOT ok. that book "I'm OK, you're OK" was one big lie.
>
>you are NOT ok. you are a rotting pile of garbage. the shit oozes out of
>your every pore.
>
>you disgust me.
yea, the truth hurts like hell! But, if you stop fighting it, and just
accept it, it's much easier to take, dick.
>>Groping in the dark? Sounds an awful lot like you doesn't it?
>>"bankrupt spiritually speaking"... does that ring true with you? You
>>know it does.
>
>i know what rings true and i face it. you run from it.
So it does ring true?
>you are the pathetic one. you are truly pathetic. and you know it.
And you just can't deal with it. You can't just admit it. Yes, this is
true. Nope. So you project again and call me the pathetic one. Get a
fucking grip, dick.
>>Just because you are blind and ignorant and self-hating doesn't mean
>>everyone else is.
>
>you are. nevermind the others. you are.
Prove it, dick. Show me how I am blind and ignorant. How do I hate
myself? I can show you how you are, but I seriously doubt you have
anything at all to show me, to back up your own assertion.
IOW projecting again
>>Believe it or not, we get along pretty damn good,
>
>i don't believe it. you are a pile of stinking shit. your family hates you.
See previous sentence.
>>we know where we are, where we've been and where we are going. We can see
>>beyond today, and plan for our future. We know that 1 year from now we
>>will not be addicted to some drug, or on the streets begging for
>>handouts. You can't see past today, you are just struggling along "one
>>day at a time", taking "baby steps". All you can do is project your
>>own sick, pathetic life on us, and to be quite honest, I'm getting
>>pretty tired of hearing all of your damn projecting.
>
>because the shit i throw onto you sticks. you are it. tag.
Okay, dick. Now, why don't you grow up a little bit. It doesn't quite
work that way, dick. When you say something about someone else that is
not true, you simply make yourself look like a dick, dick. Everyone
can plainly see that you are simply projecting, and I think I can
safely speak for everyone, but if there is anyone who disagrees, other
then dick, speak up!
>>>sometimes our understanding of what God is is severely distorted. I know an
>>>atheist addict here who basically cannot get his program to work the magic
>>>of recovery for him. He is clean (so he claims) but he has zero that I want.
>>>He is an angry motherfucker who just irritates the shit out of me.
>>>i don't see anyway forward for an atheist in the NA 12 step program. either
>>>they get with God or they will get with their drugs again and die.
>>Or they get therapy from a good doctor, get their shit straight, and
>>get the fuck on with their life. You don't even know what the fuck you
>>are talking about. You don't need some concept of God to get your shit
>>straight, dick, you just need to focus. You are choosing to focus on
>>your own understanding of "God". On the other hand, many athiests have
>>found that by focusing on something else. Perhaps by focusing on
>>themselves, figuring out who they want to be and setting their minds
>>to becoming that person, they are able to overcome their addictions.
>
>but not you. you are lost. just for today.
Not even close, dick. I'm living a very good life, I own my own
business and am doing quite well. In your fantasy world, you would
like for me to be "lost", because you can't handle the truth, but in
reality, I know exactly where I am and I know where I am going. That
really pisses you off doesn't it dick?
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:28:03 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3C8233.2E98@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >Richard II wrote:
> >> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:32:54 GMT, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in
> >> >"The Scarlet Pumpernickel" <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
> >> >DOH!
> >> the police force is a higher power than you.
> >Cops answer to judges.
>
> uh huh.
Saw it happen dozens of times the morning I was in traffic court. Cop
doesn't show, the Judge tosses the case, no questions asked.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >rickcovery wrote:
> >> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>just a one step program
> >>Step One: Worship Satan
> >Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
> >yourself.
>
> my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
> hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
You're not good enough for Satan.
> i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
> skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
>
> there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
> basically wanted to kill myself.
Kurt Cobain method:
Purchase 12 gauge shotgun, whatever brand's on sale at K-Mart. Also purchase
*small* box of shells (you really needn't ask why).
Assume lotus position.
Fix large hit of heroin. Place tourniquet around arm, pull tight.
Inject heroin into now prominent bluish-hued vein on inner surface of
forearm. Don't loosen tourniquet *quite* yet.
Load shotgun. Place barrel in mouth. Remove shoes. Place toe
through trigger. Switch safety to off position.
Loosen tourniquet.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3C8299.5847@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >A dozen hits of good blotter.
>
> you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3E2237.351C@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>Richard II wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:28:03 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:32:54 GMT, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in
>> >> >"The Scarlet Pumpernickel" <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >> >Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
>> >> >DOH!
>> >> the police force is a higher power than you.
>> >Cops answer to judges.
>> uh huh.
>Saw it happen dozens of times the morning I was in traffic court. Cop
>doesn't show, the Judge tosses the case, no questions asked.
and if you look some more, i'm sure you can find that the judge also has a
Higher Power.
are you at all interested in following this to it's logical conclusion or do
you intend just waffling about your know it all bullshit?
you sure are one fucking dumb loser, dude.
you definitely are a fucking loser.
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3E2510.4C8A@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>Richard II wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
you've given a lot of thought to killing yourself. why is that?
i've never met such a horde of miserable bastards as you before.
well actually i have met at least one: my fucking father.
i wish that that piece of shit had got himself a fucking heart attack and
died straight after the orgasm that made me.
that is how i truly feel right now. that is what i am now facing. damn, this
is the most pain i have felt in a very long time.
i despise both my parents. every time i am with them i become angry and
miserable and irritable.
i'm asking God to help me today, just for today. i need help for this. i
want to be free and healed. completely free and healed. i am willing to do
whatever i need in order to get there.
In Jesus Name. Amen.
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>Richard II wrote:
>>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
>>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
thanks be to God.
Richard II
message <r4mr3v091e0p3762q...@4ax.com>:
>Not even close, dick. I'm living a very good life, I own my own
>business and am doing quite well. In your fantasy world, you would
>like for me to be "lost", because you can't handle the truth, but in
>reality, I know exactly where I am and I know where I am going. That
>really pisses you off doesn't it dick?
goodbye loser.
when you are ready to get honest, i will be ready to talk to you again.
until then enjoy boning up your lies.
your whole existence is one large lie.
D E N I A L
it takes one to know one.
and I recognise you as one huge filthy liar and one angry bitter resentful
motherfucker.
TOXIC is you you you.
Richard II
message <qjlr3vk10jjh8la1f...@4ax.com>:
and I speak for God when I say you are hell bound. now kiss my arse, you
fucking loser.
you can only ever speak for yourself, dickhead.
damn but you are such a fucking loser.
you are such a loser that you cannot accept the fatal truth about your own
condition that you spend all your time solving other people's problems
instead of your own. i bet you manage to piss off loads of people in your
life. i wonder why any one of them still hang with you.
i am not perfect. i am a fucking drug addict. i have spent the last 5 years
killing myself. before then i was also consuming alcohol and running after
pussy - one pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of dealing with my own
problems. this is my experience, my strength and my hope.
today i have some hope. today, just for today, i choose not to use any
narcotic substance. that is a God given miracle. available to anyone willing
to pluck their head out of their own sordid arsehole and fucking shut up and
listen.
your way is a dead end, China. but go kill yourself if that is what you
want. I don't care a shit what happens to you.
>>>So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
>>i know i offend you. that's too bad.
>>but my point was well made. it exposes the weakness of worshipping oneself.
>>if one is not even loved or respected by oneself, it makes no sense to make
>>a god of oneself.
>So then the first step would be to love and respect oneself, it would
>seem. You don't need some imaginare God for this, you need some
>introspection, realize that you can be who you want to be, that if you
>want to earn your own respect, then you need to take some fucking
>action. If you don't love yourself, then change yourself. If you know
>what you love, then become that.
you just have all the answers don't you?
you have shit.
you are just losing because you are a loser.
your way will not work.
Rev Stone
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za says...
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >Richard II wrote:
> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>
> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
Who said acid is a source of pleasure?
A source of paranoid psychosis accompanied by visual hallucinations,
maybe, but not necessarily pleasure.
Maeljin
cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com screams...
> >
> > On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> > <3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> > >rickcovery wrote:
> > >> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> > >>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> > >>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> > >>just a one step program
> > >>Step One: Worship Satan
> > >Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
> > >yourself.
> >
> > my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
> > hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
>
> You're not good enough for Satan.
>
> > i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
> > skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
> >
> > there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
> > basically wanted to kill myself.
>
> Kurt Cobain method:
>
> Purchase 12 gauge shotgun, whatever brand's on sale at K-Mart.
Lol, weapons for sales in a supermarket. That makes me grin every time.
--
|-Maeljin-|
(Damned by Dore, Primo in Italia)
"It's clear that in this group [AFJC], ANY religious comment of any
seriousness is treated as a complete joke." -KK
UDP for WebTv
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
don't learn to love yourself.
In fact, you are not loving god, just HATING YOURSELF thru a thrid party
right now.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3C8299.5847@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >A dozen hits of good blotter.
>
> you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>
> you are dying, China.
>
>
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19 -0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> wrote
> in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >Step One: Worship Satan
>
> of the moon shows towards earth.
>
>
The dark side of the moon isn't, you cretin.
Rev Stone
maeljin@*removethis*libero.it says...
> In article <3E3E2510.4C8A@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
> cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com screams...
> > Richard II wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > > <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> > > <3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> > > >rickcovery wrote:
> > > >> The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> > > >>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> > > >>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> > > >>just a one step program
> > > >>Step One: Worship Satan
> > > >Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
> > > >yourself.
> > >
> > > my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
> > > hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
> >
> > You're not good enough for Satan.
> >
> > > i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
> > > skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
> > >
> > > there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
> > > basically wanted to kill myself.
> >
> > Kurt Cobain method:
> >
> > Purchase 12 gauge shotgun, whatever brand's on sale at K-Mart.
>
> Lol, weapons for sales in a supermarket. That makes me grin every time.
Wal-Mart is even funnier. Groceries on one side of the store, guns on
the other side, toys for the kiddies in between. Fun for the whole
family.
Richard II
wrote in message <MPG.18a82be4...@news.alt.net>:
>In article <1ucs3vg9tmgetqkhf...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za says...
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
>> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>Who said acid is a source of pleasure?
it is. to some.
>A source of paranoid psychosis accompanied by visual hallucinations,
>maybe, but not necessarily pleasure.
not everyone likes alcohol. or smoking tobacco. or heroin. or sex. or crack
cocaine. or eating. or sleeping. or walking.
but
everyone has something they enjoy doing or consuming.
when pain builds up and we aren't able to fix it, we turn to a pleasure
centre to attempt to compensate. that is the essence of addiction.
so that is why i say that everyone has the potential to fuck out in this
way.
Richard II
wrote in message <lMt%9.78279$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
>In article <206p3vkpvi1q3idup...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
>>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>>you are dying, China.
>Acid isn't addictive, you mongoplegic toad.
perhaps not to you.
maybe you prefer to lick toads. or maybe even blow them.
do you swallow?
Richard II
>In article <jmco3v0griid7o4er...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19 -0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
>> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >just a one step program
>> >Step One: Worship Satan
>> only on alternate Tuesdays which fall on vernal equinoxes when the dark side
>> of the moon shows towards earth.
>The dark side of the moon isn't, you cretin.
what isn't, you moron?
Richard II
wrote in message <kMt%9.78278$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
you are describing yourself again. except you don't have the active sex life
part.
>You can't love ANYTHING, not even an imaginary gawd, if you
>don't learn to love yourself.
yes.
>In fact, you are not loving god, just HATING YOURSELF thru a thrid party
>right now.
God heals me. makes me a beautiful person. then i love myself and i love God
who made me so lovely inside.
Toxic
<ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
That's even sicker then drinking my urine, kissing your arse. I'll bet
it's aides infested too. I am hell bound, though. I would agree with
that. Hell means the grave, dipshit. It's where we are all going to
end up, regardless of what we want to believe.
>you can only ever speak for yourself, dickhead.
I can speak for the group, here, because I am aware of the general
concensus. Of course, others have every right to correct me if I am
not speaking for them.
>damn but you are such a fucking loser.
And you are such a projector.
>you are such a loser that you cannot accept the fatal truth about your own
>condition that you spend all your time solving other people's problems
>instead of your own. i bet you manage to piss off loads of people in your
>life. i wonder why any one of them still hang with you.
I don't spend any time solving other people's problems. I do spend
some time trying to help people solve their own problems, however.
I do manage to piss off loads of christians, but then I also see alot
of xtians get out of their delusional states and actually turn their
life around. The truth is toxi, Richard, and it does tend to piss
people off, especially those people who are dedicated to living a lie.
>i am not perfect. i am a fucking drug addict. i have spent the last 5 years
>killing myself. before then i was also consuming alcohol and running after
>pussy - one pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of dealing with my own
>problems. this is my experience, my strength and my hope.
Very good. So stop projecting this onto me and others. Whether you
believe it or not, many of us are not drug addicts, we haven't spent
years of our lives killing ourselves. Some of us don't drink, and some
of us drink moderately. Some of us find strength within ourselves to
live our lives as we want to. This is the truth, but you won't accept
it, therein lies your biggest problem. You can gain strength and hope
through adversity, and I don't deny this. However, you will not be
completely healed untill you realize the source of your strength comes
from within you, that you alone are capable of changing your own life.
>today i have some hope. today, just for today, i choose not to use any
>narcotic substance. that is a God given miracle. available to anyone willing
>to pluck their head out of their own sordid arsehole and fucking shut up and
>listen.
I have some hope. Today, and tommorrow. I choose not to follow
anything blindly, but to rely on my own inner strength. Anyone can
find this strength within themselves, even you! But then you are too
busy projecting your own failure, and won't even take a moment to
consider the views of those who have found success and happiness
without the need for "God". You just cannot accept this can you?
>your way is a dead end, China. but go kill yourself if that is what you
>want. I don't care a shit what happens to you.
Why would I want to go kill myself? I am quite happy with my life! Not
to say I don't have obstacles crop up, and sometimes things simply
don't go as I plan. But that's no reason to give up, that's part of
what makes life so enjoyable, new challenges, new obstacles to cross,
new horizons to reach toward. And I do all of this without drugs or
God. It really does piss you off that I am happy and successfull, so
much, in fact, that you would call me a liar and project your own
failure to face life onto me.
>>>>So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
>>>i know i offend you. that's too bad.
>>>but my point was well made. it exposes the weakness of worshipping oneself.
>>>if one is not even loved or respected by oneself, it makes no sense to make
>>>a god of oneself.
>>So then the first step would be to love and respect oneself, it would
>>seem. You don't need some imaginare God for this, you need some
>>introspection, realize that you can be who you want to be, that if you
>>want to earn your own respect, then you need to take some fucking
>>action. If you don't love yourself, then change yourself. If you know
>>what you love, then become that.
>
>you just have all the answers don't you?
>you have shit.
I have something you will never have while you continue to project and
continue to bury your head up your ass. I have the truth. It's quite
toxic to those who are living a lie.
>you are just losing because you are a loser.
But, dicky, I'm not the lone who is losing. Look at your own posts,
compare them with mine. Who sounds the more pathetc? You or me? Read
what you have written. Read what I have written.Read what you have
projected. Do you see where the problem lies? It's not I that is
losing or is a loser. It is you.
>your way will not work.
My way has always worked. You don't believe it, because it actually
requires you to rely on you, and you can't seem to embrace that
concept. You know you are a weak, pathetic loser. You have said as
much yourself, so I am not telling you anything new here. What I am
telling you, however, is that you don't need to be this way. You don't
need to remain so unsure of yourself, and trapped by your past. You
can move past this point where you need to lie to yourself and to
others, you can move past the deception. You have the power within
yourself to love yourself, to respect yourself, and to live your life
as you wish. Whether you accept all of this or not, that is up to you
Toxic
<ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:07:41 -0500, Toxic <SlimS...@PunkAss.com> wrote in
>message <r4mr3v091e0p3762q...@4ax.com>:
>>Not even close, dick. I'm living a very good life, I own my own
>>business and am doing quite well. In your fantasy world, you would
>>like for me to be "lost", because you can't handle the truth, but in
>>reality, I know exactly where I am and I know where I am going. That
>>really pisses you off doesn't it dick?
>
>goodbye loser.
>
>when you are ready to get honest, i will be ready to talk to you again.
What is it about what i said above that is dishonest? Can you actually
back up what you are claiming? If you call me a loser, then you must
have some evidence for this, right? If you say I am not being honest,
maybe you can show me how I am not being honest. Show me, what is it I
have said that is a lie. What evidence do you have? If you have none,
then maybe it is YOU who are not ready to get honest. You will not be
ready to talk to me untill you realize who it is who is lying.
>until then enjoy boning up your lies.
>your whole existence is one large lie.
>D E N I A L
What is it that you believe i am in denial over? Show me where my
existence is on large lie. I can show you where yours is, so I imagine
you can show me where I am lying and in denial. Unless, that is, you
are simply projecting.
>it takes one to know one.
>and I recognise you as one huge filthy liar and one angry bitter resentful
>motherfucker.
>TOXIC is you you you.
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Toxic
Are you really? I don't believe you. I don't believe you are willing
to do what is needed to be "free and healed". I believe you are
starting to realize that "God" isn't going to help you, and that what
many of us are telling you is true. But, are you willing to listen to
us? Are you willing to listen to me? I can tell you a perfect road to
recovery, are you willing to take it? I seriously doubt it.
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, The Scarlet Pumpernickel says...
> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>
They have them for Jehoova's Witless and the Salt Lake City Morons, but
I'm afraid they're operated by run of the mill Christers.
--
St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
----------------------------------------
Most people get a fair amount of fun out of their lives,
but on balance life is suffering, and only the very young
or very foolish imagine otherwise. - George Orwell
!FREE FUN LINK: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kinho/youare.swf
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:03:03 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3E2237.351C@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >Richard II wrote:
> >> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:28:03 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >> >Richard II wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:32:54 GMT, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in
> >> >> >"The Scarlet Pumpernickel" <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >> >Yeah, but it forces to you accept a belief in a higher power...
> >> >> >DOH!
> >> >> the police force is a higher power than you.
> >> >Cops answer to judges.
> >> uh huh.
> >Saw it happen dozens of times the morning I was in traffic court. Cop
> >doesn't show, the Judge tosses the case, no questions asked.
>
> and if you look some more, i'm sure you can find that the judge also has a
> Higher Power.
>
> are you at all interested in following this to it's logical conclusion or do
> you intend just waffling about your know it all bullshit?
>
> you sure are one fucking dumb loser, dude.
>
> you definitely are a fucking loser.
Complex causes demand still more complex causes. Deal with it.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
[vile blasphemy ommitted]
Fire up the whole fucking bag.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> In article <1ucs3vg9tmgetqkhf...@4ax.com>,
> ar...@adderleystreet.co.za says...
> > On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> > <3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> > >Richard II wrote:
> > >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> > >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> > >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> > >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> > >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> > >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
> >
> > there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>
> Who said acid is a source of pleasure?
Well, for some of us, it's laughing at anything and everything for
eight hours straight, fuck anyone who takes offense. Seriously.
Funniest shit I ever saw was John Wayne in a gunner's nest, mowing a
whole line of commie gook soldiers.
> A source of paranoid psychosis accompanied by visual hallucinations,
> maybe, but not necessarily pleasure.
Hmm. Is it just me, or do other folks find it absolutely impossible
to get drunk while tripping?
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >Richard II wrote:
> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>
> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>
> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
>
> that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> thanks be to God.
One of the drug's earliest experimental uses was treating alcoholism
(Spring Grove State Hospital, Catonsville, MD). Cure rate was nearly
100%. Subjects expressed neither regret nor especial desire to take
the drug again. All were in fact thankful.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
>
> you can speak only for yourself. your views are so weak, you need to invoke
> imaginary support from others.
No, Toxic's right. We all hate you.
>
> i am not going to lose sleep over what a fool who calls himself Toxic thinks
> of me. i know what you think of yourself. you are poison. your entire self
> is brimming with toxic poison. you live in a world of utter pain. the only
> relief you find in stimulating your pleasure centres. you pleasure yourself
> to escape your pain.
>
> but you are living a nightmare.
Hey, we're not the alkie junkie -- you are.
Welcome to your nightmare, pal.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
> you shriek your nonsense in your abject pain. you recoil in horror at the
> knowledge of your final destination.
Is that supposed to be "creative writing"?
Sure must suck to be you.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> i am not perfect. i am a fucking drug addict. i have spent the last 5 years
> killing myself.
What an asshole. Most suicides manage it the first time.
Better luck next attempt.
I love it -- a fucked-up, burnt-out junkie telling us all how to
live.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> maybe you prefer to lick toads. or maybe even blow them.
>
> do you swallow?
>
>
Richard II
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
<3E3F4273.7FD1@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
>Richard II wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
>> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
>> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
>> that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>> thanks be to God.
>One of the drug's earliest experimental uses was treating alcoholism
>(Spring Grove State Hospital, Catonsville, MD). Cure rate was nearly
>100%. Subjects expressed neither regret nor especial desire to take
>the drug again. All were in fact thankful.
thanx clueless. but you are a liar if you think this is true.
if it were, then all rehabs would prescribe LCD to suffering addicts.
you sure are one dumb loser fuckhead.
Richard II
<bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
<MPG.18a8e4a72...@news.alt.net>:
>In article <orbs3vg8mr01bn225...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
>>i am not perfect. i am a fucking drug addict. i have spent the last 5 years
>>killing myself.
>What an asshole. Most suicides manage it the first time.
i have not directly attempted suicide. however using drugs is an indirect
method.
>Better luck next attempt.
just for today, i decide to stay with the winners.
clue: that's not you, dork.
>I love it -- a fucked-up, burnt-out junkie telling us all how to
>live.
yep. i don't think you know much, dude. just enough to get yourself killed.
Richard II
<bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
<MPG.18a8e3884...@news.alt.net>:
>In article <99lr3vkdpmc0bc065...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
>>you can speak only for yourself. your views are so weak, you need to invoke
>>imaginary support from others.
>No, Toxic's right. We all hate you.
you can only speak for yourself.
>>i am not going to lose sleep over what a fool who calls himself Toxic thinks
>>of me. i know what you think of yourself. you are poison. your entire self
>>is brimming with toxic poison. you live in a world of utter pain. the only
>>relief you find in stimulating your pleasure centres. you pleasure yourself
>>to escape your pain.
>>but you are living a nightmare.
>Hey, we're not the alkie junkie -- you are.
>Welcome to your nightmare, pal.
my nightmare is over, just for today.
yours continues. you will rock bottom.
Maeljin
screams...
three?
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> wrote in message <lMt%9.78279$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
> >In article <206p3vkpvi1q3idup...@4ax.com>,
> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >>you are dying, China.
> >Acid isn't addictive, you mongoplegic toad.
>
> perhaps not to you.
>
> maybe you prefer to lick toads. or maybe even blow them.
Never had the pleasure. Nature's Highness stops at mushrooms, at least
for me.
> do you swallow?
>
>
only when provoked.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
recreational drug by a hated minority (hippies), not because it didn't
work as a medicine.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> <3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>
> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>
> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
>
>
you seek that.
Richard II
wrote in message <BhL%9.81007$ZE.22...@twister2.libero.it>:
>In article <1ucs3vg9tmgetqkhf...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
>> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
>> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
>> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
>> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
>> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
>> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
>LSD does many a thing, but won't give you "pleasure". Only losers like
>you seek that.
everyone seeks pleasure, dilbert.
Richard II
>In article <jmtu3v08jq5gk2v6i...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:32:51 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
you're just another insane idiot posting your utter bullshit to Usenet.
in real life you are just another ordinary loser that no one pays attention
to.
Richard II
wrote in message <NdL%9.80992$ZE.22...@twister2.libero.it>:
>> ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
>> > maybe you prefer to lick toads. or maybe even blow them.
>> > do you swallow?
>> Maeljin, I think Richard *wants* you, you stud-muffin, you!
>Don't know... do you think I should ask him out and offer him a rock or
>three?
i gotta rock here for you.
all one tons of it.
crush you like a bug.
Maeljin
mescal...@the.cactusfarm screams...
> In article <jMt%9.78277$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>,
> maeljin@*removethis*libero.it says...
> > In article <3E3E2510.4C8A@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
> > cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com screams...
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > > > <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> > > > <3E3C8416.21C3@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> > > > >rickcovery wrote:
> > > > >>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> > > > >>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> > > > >>Step One: Worship Satan
> > > > >Satan just represents a healthy ego. Skip the middleman, worship
> > > > >yourself.
> > > >
> > > > my problem is that i did not respect myself. in active addiction, i just
> > > > hated myself. actually i loathed and detested myself.
> > >
> > > You're not good enough for Satan.
> > >
> > > > i didn't even really know this. i just knew that i was not comfortable in my
> > > > skin. i rejected myself, like a body rejects an organ.
> > > >
> > > > there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
> > > > basically wanted to kill myself.
> > >
> > > Kurt Cobain method:
> > >
> > > Purchase 12 gauge shotgun, whatever brand's on sale at K-Mart.
> >
>
> Wal-Mart is even funnier. Groceries on one side of the store, guns on
> the other side, toys for the kiddies in between. Fun for the whole
> family.
>
ROFLMAO!
Gawd bless America!
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
Rather lame.
> >You can't love ANYTHING, not even an imaginary gawd, if you
> >don't learn to love yourself.
>
> yes.
>
> >In fact, you are not loving god, just HATING YOURSELF thru a thrid party
> >right now.
>
> God heals me. makes me a beautiful person. then i love myself and i love God
> who made me so lovely inside.
>
You can only base your life on the love and respect you devote to
yourself. Without those, you are just a bundle of quivering lies.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:03:13 GMT, Maeljin <maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>
> wrote in message <lMt%9.78280$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
> >In article <jmco3v0griid7o4er...@4ax.com>,
> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> >> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19 -0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
> >> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >just a one step program
> >> >Step One: Worship Satan
> >> of the moon shows towards earth.
> >The dark side of the moon isn't, you cretin.
>
> what isn't, you moron?
>
>
dark. Think about it.
Richard II
wrote in message <orR%9.81079$YG2.2...@twister1.libero.it>:
>In article <5bvs3vk8poh1kntk5...@4ax.com>,
>ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:03:13 GMT, Maeljin <maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>
>> wrote in message <lMt%9.78280$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
>> >In article <jmco3v0griid7o4er...@4ax.com>,
>> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
>> >> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19 -0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
>> >> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>> >> >just a one step program
>> >> >Step One: Worship Satan
>> >> only on alternate Tuesdays which fall on vernal equinoxes when the dark side
>> >> of the moon shows towards earth.
>> >The dark side of the moon isn't, you cretin.
>> what isn't, you moron?
>dark. Think about it.
it is. because i say it is.
do you need me to explain that again?
Richard II
wrote in message <8rR%9.81077$YG2.2...@twister1.libero.it>:
you have my sympathy, if not my support. perhaps a "support" group can help
you? <snigger>
>>>In fact, you are not loving god, just HATING YOURSELF thru a thrid party
>>>right now.
>>God heals me. makes me a beautiful person. then i love myself and i love God
>>who made me so lovely inside.
>You can only base your life on the love and respect you devote to
>yourself. Without those, you are just a bundle of quivering lies.
go attend a few 12 step meetings. you will find plenty of people who have
God centred lives. many of whom may even be leading better lives than you.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
contributed something to the world, junkie.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> wrote in message <NdL%9.80992$ZE.22...@twister2.libero.it>:
> >In article <MPG.18a8e53b3...@news.alt.net>, bu...@hotcross.com
> >> In article <1mvs3v869pp7vaddq...@4ax.com>,
> >> ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> >> > maybe you prefer to lick toads. or maybe even blow them.
> >> > do you swallow?
> >> Maeljin, I think Richard *wants* you, you stud-muffin, you!
> >Don't know... do you think I should ask him out and offer him a rock or
> >three?
>
> i gotta rock here for you.
>
The Nolalu Barn Owl
Hi Richard.
If you were to get ahold of a copy of "Pass it On" you can read first
hand how Bill Wilson himself (the father of NA toooooo) was not only a
friend of Dr. Timothy Leary, he took LSD and so did Lois (the mother
of Alanon and ALL the other family groups).
He is telling the truth.
--
Gordie
"Completing the wall rhetoric in the adjustment area was a Chiropractic
Prayer. It had been commercially reproduced as the standard prayer for
all ICA chiropractors and it was endorsed by that organization.
Essentially it was an appeal to a higher power, without reference to
any specific religious denomination, including Christianity, for help
in the effective use of the hands in order to ameliorate "the pain in
this troubled world." This higher power, which was never explicitly
defined, was referred to variously by the practitioner as
'Innate Intelligence', the 'Wisdom of the Body', 'Dynamic Essential',
or 'Life Force'."
http://www.chirobase.org/05RB/ECC/03.html
'Innate Intelligence', the 'Wisdom of the Body', 'Dynamic Essential',
or 'Life Force'??? As a 12-Stepper, does this terminology have a
familiar ring to you? IF you are Christian and are involved with 12-Steppery
then I urge you to look more closely at your chosen Recovery Program and see
what you find.
Toxic
wrote:
>Verily didst Toxic post these 64 lines unto alt.flame.jesus.christ...
>
>[++dick]
>
>>Are you really? I don't believe you. I don't believe you are willing
>>to do what is needed to be "free and healed".
>
>I can't believe anyone is still feeding this lunatic troll. Shouldn't you
>be watering your light bulb orchard or something?
No, I have the light bulb pixies that take are of that for me.
I am not feeding the troll, I am trying to help Richard out of his
self inflicted self-hatred. I care deeply for Richard, as you can see
in my posts, and my only goal is to guide him to the truth within
himself.
Besides, lunatics are fun to fuck with.
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Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:32:51 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> <3E3F4273.7FD1@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> >Richard II wrote:
> >> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >> >Richard II wrote:
> >> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> >> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
> >> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
> >> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
> >> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
> >> that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
> >> thanks be to God.
> >One of the drug's earliest experimental uses was treating alcoholism
> >(Spring Grove State Hospital, Catonsville, MD). Cure rate was nearly
> >100%. Subjects expressed neither regret nor especial desire to take
> >the drug again. All were in fact thankful.
>
> thanx clueless. but you are a liar if you think this is true.
Dr. Humphrey Osmond not only coined the phrase "psychedelic," he
launched the first trials into using acid to cure alcoholism. Tests
started in England, later extended into the U.S. at Spring Grove.
See http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/: Lee, Martin A. and Bruce Shlain,
_Acid Dreams_. See also ABC News, 20/20 segment.
> if it were, then all rehabs would prescribe LCD to suffering addicts.
Lysergic acid diethylamide 25, tartrate salt:
N(C2H2)2 /\\
| || |
O==C-------/\ /\ //\
| || | NH
\// \/ ===|
N
|
CH3
LCD is generally understood to stand for Liquid Crystal Display.
> you sure are one dumb loser fuckhead.
You worship one.
stoney
<yo...@apocolocyntosis.org>, Message ID:
<4gur3v41k73eqet8h...@news.doubleclick.not> wrote in
alt.atheism;
>Verily didst The Scarlet Pumpernickel post these 26 lines unto
>alt.flame.jesus.christ...
>
>
>
>[...]
>
>>> there was no way i could worship myself when i hated myself so much. i
>>> basically wanted to kill myself.
>>>
>>
>>Everyone else loathes and detests you.
>>So go ahead and buy some sleeping pills and razor blades,loser.
>
><Dick++ will now whinge about how he can't afford razor blades.>
/me tosses him a pack.
--
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
stoney
<RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
>> Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
>> life-destroying addiction to christianity?
>
>just a one step program
>
>Step One: Worship Satan
Doesn't work since Satan is part of the christian pantheon.
stoney
<maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>, Message ID:
<BqR%9.81074$YG2.2...@twister1.libero.it> wrote in alt.atheism;
Oh, it gets even funnier! Computer games which have bare breasts
will not be sold. Computer games which can be seen as anti-religion
will not be sold. Music with 'obscene' lyrics will not be sold.
Many computer games and music CD's have a special version which they
ship to Walmart.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
It helped turn those "hippies" and millions of others nonviolent.
Nothing of value for dickhead.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
Cary Grant, Groucho Marx, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Many of our finest
people have dropped, people you'd never suspect in a million years.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:38:04 -0500, The Scarlet Pumpernickel
> <bu...@hotcross.com> wrote in message
> <MPG.18a8e3884...@news.alt.net>:
> >In article <99lr3vkdpmc0bc065...@4ax.com>,
> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za
> >>you can speak only for yourself. your views are so weak, you need to invoke
> >>imaginary support from others.
> >No, Toxic's right. We all hate you.
>
> you can only speak for yourself.
>
> >>i am not going to lose sleep over what a fool who calls himself Toxic thinks
> >>of me. i know what you think of yourself. you are poison. your entire self
> >>is brimming with toxic poison. you live in a world of utter pain. the only
> >>relief you find in stimulating your pleasure centres. you pleasure yourself
> >>to escape your pain.
> >>but you are living a nightmare.
> >Hey, we're not the alkie junkie -- you are.
> >Welcome to your nightmare, pal.
>
> my nightmare is over, just for today.
Over?
It's not even started, christer-boy.
Richard II
<gor...@nolalu.on.ca> wrote in message
<o1u04v0s523h0bktf...@4ax.com>:
>On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:14:46 +0200, Richard II
><ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote:
>>On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:58:32 GMT, Maeljin <maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>
you are quite mad you know.
Denis Loubet
"Richard II" <ar...@adderleystreet.co.za> wrote in message
news:sjco3vo5qts7tt807...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:32:54 GMT, "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in
> message <avM_9.12818$ZX5.4...@twister.austin.rr.com>:
> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >DOH!
>
> the police force is a higher power than you.
I pay their wages with my taxes.
> it is that simple.
Not quite THAT simple.
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Maeljin
screams...
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
And, getting back to the flames, you really should stop projecting.
Maeljin
screams...
Stop! Stop! I'm suffocating right now! HAR!
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
Even lamer.
> >>>In fact, you are not loving god, just HATING YOURSELF thru a thrid party
> >>>right now.
> >>God heals me. makes me a beautiful person. then i love myself and i love God
> >>who made me so lovely inside.
> >You can only base your life on the love and respect you devote to
> >yourself. Without those, you are just a bundle of quivering lies.
>
> go attend a few 12 step meetings. you will find plenty of people who have
> God centred lives. many of whom may even be leading better lives than you.
>
>
That's totally off-topic. They are still bundles of quivering lives,
harming themselves and others. Many a dictator or despot, or *slave* for
that matter have led lives vastly better than yours or mine.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> wrote in message <orR%9.81079$YG2.2...@twister1.libero.it>:
> >In article <5bvs3vk8poh1kntk5...@4ax.com>,
> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> >> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:03:13 GMT, Maeljin <maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>
> >> wrote in message <lMt%9.78280$ZE.21...@twister2.libero.it>:
> >> >In article <jmco3v0griid7o4er...@4ax.com>,
> >> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> >> >> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:32:19 -0500, "rickcovery" <rickc...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> >> in message <RDS_9.22050$hw4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
> >> >> >The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >> >> >>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >> >>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >> >just a one step program
> >> >> >Step One: Worship Satan
> >> >> only on alternate Tuesdays which fall on vernal equinoxes when the dark side
> >> >> of the moon shows towards earth.
> >> >The dark side of the moon isn't, you cretin.
> >> what isn't, you moron?
> >dark. Think about it.
>
> it is. because i say it is.
>
> do you need me to explain that again?
>
>
And that, my friend, is also the core of why your faith in god is a lie.
Belief doesn't influence the truth.
Maeljin
ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:59:13 GMT, Maeljin <maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>
> wrote in message <BhL%9.81007$ZE.22...@twister2.libero.it>:
> >In article <1ucs3vg9tmgetqkhf...@4ax.com>,
> >ar...@adderleystreet.co.za screams...
> >> On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >> >Richard II wrote:
> >> >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> >> >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> >> >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> >> >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> >> >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> >> >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
> >> there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
> >> if a thing, substance, activity or whatever brings pleasure, then people
> >> will become addicted to it in order to escape their pain.
> >you seek that.
>
> everyone seeks pleasure, dilbert.
>
>
Not THAT kind of pleasure, crackpot. It takes a special kind of moron to
fall for it.
Maeljin
cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com screams...
> > ar...@adderleystreet.co.za says...
> > > On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:16:32 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > > <3E3E2560.5890@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>:
> > > >Richard II wrote:
> > > >>On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:29:45 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> > > >>>The Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote:
> > > >>>>Is there a 12-step program to help people overcome their
> > > >>>>life-destroying addiction to christianity?
> > > >>>A dozen hits of good blotter.
> > > >>you are not kidding. you are definitely an addict.
> > > >Bullshit, since acid is nonaddictive.
> > >
> > > there is no such thing as a non-addictive source of pleasure.
> >
>
> Well, for some of us, it's laughing at anything and everything for
> eight hours straight, fuck anyone who takes offense. Seriously.
> Funniest shit I ever saw was John Wayne in a gunner's nest, mowing a
> whole line of commie gook soldiers.
Lol, there's a great deal of laughing, and *FEELING* beauty. But also a
lot of introspection going on, all in one time!
> > A source of paranoid psychosis accompanied by visual hallucinations,
> > maybe, but not necessarily pleasure.
>
> Hmm. Is it just me, or do other folks find it absolutely impossible
> to get drunk while tripping?
>
Never even tried, it would probably be unpleasurable...
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
LSD will make you sane.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
He's confusing "dark side" with "far side" (and consequently "near side"
with "light side"). His knowledge of basic science is pre-1950's. I'd
put more credibility on Hugh Beaumont's pre-LITB sci-fi gem, "The Mole
People."
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
Not if you're watching the right movies. Introspection becomes boring.
> > > A source of paranoid psychosis accompanied by visual hallucinations,
> > > maybe, but not necessarily pleasure.
> >
> > Hmm. Is it just me, or do other folks find it absolutely impossible
> > to get drunk while tripping?
> >
> Never even tried, it would probably be unpleasurable...
It's a waste of cheap beer. Fourth can, no effect, you quit and find other
shit to do.
Maeljin
> > It's not, because the sun radiates light on it.
> > And that, my friend, is also the core of why your faith in god is a lie.
> > Belief doesn't influence the truth.
>
> He's confusing "dark side" with "far side" (and consequently "near side"
> with "light side"). His knowledge of basic science is pre-1950's. I'd
> put more credibility on Hugh Beaumont's pre-LITB sci-fi gem, "The Mole
> People."
>
have a dark side, just teensy bit of common sense...
Maeljin
cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com screams...
Go on... that's quite an experience.
stoney
<maeljin@*removethis*libero.it>, Message ID:
<hAa0a.86085$ZE.23...@twister2.libero.it> wrote in alt.atheism;
Whoops! Laughter is good, but not to the point of suffocation.