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Crus...@nomail.com
May 15, 2013, 3:26:43 AM5/15/13
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How many more people are going to die from AA, because AA drove them to
suicide? How many more must die before AA is destroyed?
AA kills, and kills, and kills....
AA tells all it's cult followers that alcohol will kill them. Yes, that
can be true, because alcohol can and does kill /some/ people. But AA
neglects to mention that AA kills too. In fact, AA may drive more
people to suicide than the number that would die from drinking.
Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
their social life and most likely everything else in their life. Of
course, anyone who wants to quit drinking or learn to drink in
moderation can do it. There are lots of other programs besides AA, and
anyone with a real determination can do it by themselves if they really
work at it. Nobody needs AA, and nobody in the modern world should
still attend such an obsolete program as AA. AA is outdated. It's a
carry over from the prohibition and temperance era from the early
1900's. It has it's roots in the Oxford group, a known religious cult
from that same time period.
The time has come, AA must be exterminated! It serves no purpose
whatsoever in the 21st century.
suicide? How many more must die before AA is destroyed?
AA kills, and kills, and kills....
AA tells all it's cult followers that alcohol will kill them. Yes, that
can be true, because alcohol can and does kill /some/ people. But AA
neglects to mention that AA kills too. In fact, AA may drive more
people to suicide than the number that would die from drinking.
Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
their social life and most likely everything else in their life. Of
course, anyone who wants to quit drinking or learn to drink in
moderation can do it. There are lots of other programs besides AA, and
anyone with a real determination can do it by themselves if they really
work at it. Nobody needs AA, and nobody in the modern world should
still attend such an obsolete program as AA. AA is outdated. It's a
carry over from the prohibition and temperance era from the early
1900's. It has it's roots in the Oxford group, a known religious cult
from that same time period.
The time has come, AA must be exterminated! It serves no purpose
whatsoever in the 21st century.
Charlie M. 1958
May 15, 2013, 8:28:13 AM5/15/13
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On 5/15/2013 2:26 AM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
> to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
> life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
> their social life and most likely everything else in their life.
Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
> to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
> life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
> their social life and most likely everything else in their life.
If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
Socrates
May 15, 2013, 12:23:13 PM5/15/13
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On 5/15/2013 12:26 AM, Crushed by reality inadvertently offered a
snapshot of his psyche with the following:
> die from, suicide,must die, kills, and kills, and kills....,
> kill them, does kill, kills too, favor death, to suicide, they die,
> will die,dying after, exterminated!
Have you considered EA (Emotions Anonymous)? It is a twelve-step
program for recovery from mental and emotional illness.
http://www.emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.emotionsanonymous.org/Steps.html
snapshot of his psyche with the following:
> die from, suicide,must die, kills, and kills, and kills....,
> kill them, does kill, kills too, favor death, to suicide, they die,
> will die,dying after, exterminated!
Have you considered EA (Emotions Anonymous)? It is a twelve-step
program for recovery from mental and emotional illness.
http://www.emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.emotionsanonymous.org/Steps.html
Crus...@nomail.com
May 15, 2013, 10:20:51 PM5/15/13
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too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/or their
jobs as a result of their drinking, not to mention other problems due to
drinking. I wont say any of them are to the point of dying from
alcohol, but it's still affecting their lives in a negative way. Most
of them are totally content to just go to the bar every night and drink.
One of them has been hit by cars a few times and ended up in the
hospital from other alcohol related injuries. Yet he's happy and quite
a nice guy. Actually he quit drinking for a month last fall. Now he
drinks again, but he somewhat limits himself, and he knows that when I'm
bartending I'll cut him off when he starts going overboard.
It seems AA members can not comprehend that some drunks are happy, even
those who's life is in a shambles are a result of alcohol. That makes
me wonder if those who go to AA are going due to mental issues, not just
the alcohol. After all, why would anyone drink if they hated it? I
never understood that. Maybe the mental issues are the reason those
people will tolerate the torture that they get in AA. Maybe they just
like being abused, and AA is good at that.
The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts. He said he
really did want to cut down on his drinking, but not quit. But he said
AA was "horrible". That was the word he used. He said he would not go
back for any reason, and said the people there were mostly all assholes.
Simon
May 15, 2013, 10:36:35 PM5/15/13
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Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
<snip bullshit>
wouldn't be?
what are you, fookin' stoopid?
<snip bullshit>
>
> Most
> of them are totally content to just go to the bar every night and
> drink. One of them has been hit by cars a few times and ended up in
> the hospital from other alcohol related injuries. Yet he's happy and
> quite a nice guy.
>
yes, i'm sure he's perfectly content to get his drunk ass run over. who
> Most
> of them are totally content to just go to the bar every night and
> drink. One of them has been hit by cars a few times and ended up in
> the hospital from other alcohol related injuries. Yet he's happy and
> quite a nice guy.
>
wouldn't be?
what are you, fookin' stoopid?
Crus...@nomail.com
May 15, 2013, 11:00:08 PM5/15/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:36:35 +0000 (UTC), Simon <notal...@all.com>
wrote:
If you knew how to comprehend what you read, you may have noticed that
he quit drinking for a month!!!! (which was due to these accidents).
wrote:
he quit drinking for a month!!!! (which was due to these accidents).
Socrates
May 15, 2013, 11:34:41 PM5/15/13
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On 5/15/2013 7:20 PM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:28:13 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958"
> <alw...@impatient.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2013 2:26 AM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
>>> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
>>> to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
>>> life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
>>> their social life and most likely everything else in their life.
>>
>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>
>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/or their
> jobs as a result of their drinking, not to mention other problems due to
> drinking. I wont say any of them are to the point of dying from
> alcohol, but it's still affecting their lives in a negative way. Most
> of them are totally content to just go to the bar every night and drink.
> One of them has been hit by cars a few times and ended up in the
> hospital from other alcohol related injuries.
The definition of "hitting bottom" and when life "has become
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:28:13 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958"
> <alw...@impatient.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2013 2:26 AM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
>>> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive them
>>> to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person still has a
>>> life when they die and will die happy, rather than dying after AA ruins
>>> their social life and most likely everything else in their life.
>>
>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>
>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/or their
> jobs as a result of their drinking, not to mention other problems due to
> drinking. I wont say any of them are to the point of dying from
> alcohol, but it's still affecting their lives in a negative way. Most
> of them are totally content to just go to the bar every night and drink.
> One of them has been hit by cars a few times and ended up in the
> hospital from other alcohol related injuries.
unmanageable" is highly subjective. If one cannot imagine a life
different than what they are living (like above for example) the odds
are they will die either sooner or /because/ of the choices they make.
> Yet he's happy and quite a nice guy.
> Actually he quit drinking for a month last fall. Now he drinks
> again, but he somewhat limits himself, and he knows that when I'm
> bartending I'll cut him off when he starts going overboard.
> It seems AA members can not comprehend that some drunks are happy, even
> those who's life is in a shambles are a result of alcohol.
people who's life is in shambles.
> That makes me wonder if those who go to AA are going due to mental
> issues, not just the alcohol.
> After all, why would anyone drink if they hated it?
> I neverunderstood that.
Never heard of anyone hating alcohol but from what I've read from you I
can see how you would tend to view drinking from a simplistic love/hate
perspective. People /love/ to drink. They wind /up/ hating themselves
because of all the bullshit that goes with it.
> Maybe the mental issues are the reason those people will tolerate the
> torture that they get in AA. Maybe they just like being abused, and
> AA is good at that.
> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts. He said he
> really did want to cut down on his drinking, but not quit.
> But he said AA was "horrible". That was the word he used. He said he
> would not go back for any reason, and said the people there were mostly
> all assholes.
*you*.
Socrates
May 15, 2013, 11:52:12 PM5/15/13
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comprehensible. You made no time reference between the accidents and
the quitting, nor did you say anything about "which was due to these
accidents."
dav...@agent.com
May 16, 2013, 1:00:46 AM5/16/13
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Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
>How many more must die from AA, because AA drove them to
malaria resulting in 660,000 deaths, equivalent to roughly
2000 deaths every day.
>How many more must die from AA, because AA drove them to
>suicide? How many more must die before AA is destroyed?
>AA kills, and kills, and kills....
The WHO estimates that in 2010 there were 219 million cases of
>AA kills, and kills, and kills....
malaria resulting in 660,000 deaths, equivalent to roughly
2000 deaths every day.
JoeRaisin
May 16, 2013, 6:59:51 AM5/16/13
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I believe he is lying nutbar who tells fanciful stories about situations
he claims to have found himself in or people he allegedly "knows".
Personally, I don't think he ever leaves the crawlspace - based on his
posting pattern, he doesn't have time to hold down a job.
Charlie M. 1958
May 16, 2013, 8:21:52 AM5/16/13
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On 5/15/2013 10:34 PM, Socrates wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 7:20 PM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
>> Yet he's happy and quite a nice guy.
>
> That describes a lot of former drunks.
...before things got really bad
> On 5/15/2013 7:20 PM, Crus...@nomail.com wrote:
>> Yet he's happy and quite a nice guy.
>
> That describes a lot of former drunks.
>
>> Actually he quit drinking for a month last fall. Now he drinks
>> again, but he somewhat limits himself, and he knows that when I'm
>> bartending I'll cut him off when he starts going overboard.
>
> Clearly, you are sponsor material?
>
>> It seems AA members can not comprehend that some drunks are happy, even
>> those who's life is in a shambles are a result of alcohol.
>
>> After all, why would anyone drink if they hated it?
Simple. They love the feeling, but hate the consequences.
>
>
>> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts. He said he
>> really did want to cut down on his drinking, but not quit.
>
> It's his decision. Where it takes will be known in time.
>
>> But he said AA was "horrible". That was the word he used. He said he
>> would not go back for any reason, and said the people there were mostly
>> all assholes.
>
> Why would you care? Hmmm, perhaps this "happy," nice guy" is actually
> *you*.
>
BINGO!
>
>> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts. He said he
>> really did want to cut down on his drinking, but not quit.
>
> It's his decision. Where it takes will be known in time.
>
>> But he said AA was "horrible". That was the word he used. He said he
>> would not go back for any reason, and said the people there were mostly
>> all assholes.
>
> Why would you care? Hmmm, perhaps this "happy," nice guy" is actually
> *you*.
>
Mike T.
May 16, 2013, 9:46:26 AM5/16/13
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anymore, to the point of considering suicide and homicide. Tell your friend
to keep on drinking to his heart's content. He knows where to go when he's
had enough.
Mike T.
May 16, 2013, 9:46:28 AM5/16/13
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desire to remain so Ed and enjoy life.
Mike T.
May 16, 2013, 10:01:54 AM5/16/13
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Mike T. wrote:
><Crus...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> How many more people are going to die from AA, because AA drove
>>them to suicide? How many more must die before AA is destroyed?
>> AA kills, and kills, and kills....
>>
>> AA tells all it's cult followers that alcohol will kill them.
>>Yes, that can be true, because alcohol can and does kill some
><Crus...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> How many more people are going to die from AA, because AA drove
>>them to suicide? How many more must die before AA is destroyed?
>> AA kills, and kills, and kills....
>>
>> AA tells all it's cult followers that alcohol will kill them.
>>people. But AA neglects to mention that AA kills too. In fact,
>>AA may drive more people to suicide than the number that would die
>>from drinking.
>> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
>> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive
>>them to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person
>>still has a life when they die and will die happy, rather than
>>dying after AA ruins their social life and most likely everything
>>else in their life. Of course, anyone who wants to quit drinking
>>or learn to drink in moderation can do it. There are lots of
>>other programs besides AA, and anyone with a real determination
>>can do it by themselves if they really work at it. Nobody needs
>>AA, and nobody in the modern world should still attend such an
>>obsolete program as AA. AA is outdated. It's a carry over from
>>the prohibition and temperance era from the early 1900's. It has
>>it's roots in the Oxford group, a known religious cult from that
>>same time period.
>> The time has come, AA must be exterminated! It serves no purpose
>> whatsoever in the 21st century.
>
>The only thing AA kills is the desire to drink and replaces it with a
>desire to remain so Ed and enjoy life.
Damn phone typing!
>>AA may drive more people to suicide than the number that would die
>>from drinking.
>> Personally, if I had the choice these days (knowing what I now know
>> about AA), I'd probably favor death from alcohol over AA's "drive
>>them to suicide" methods. Hell, at least that way the person
>>still has a life when they die and will die happy, rather than
>>dying after AA ruins their social life and most likely everything
>>else in their life. Of course, anyone who wants to quit drinking
>>or learn to drink in moderation can do it. There are lots of
>>other programs besides AA, and anyone with a real determination
>>can do it by themselves if they really work at it. Nobody needs
>>AA, and nobody in the modern world should still attend such an
>>obsolete program as AA. AA is outdated. It's a carry over from
>>the prohibition and temperance era from the early 1900's. It has
>>it's roots in the Oxford group, a known religious cult from that
>>same time period.
>> The time has come, AA must be exterminated! It serves no purpose
>> whatsoever in the 21st century.
>
>The only thing AA kills is the desire to drink and replaces it with a
>desire to remain so Ed and enjoy life.
Tommy
May 16, 2013, 3:00:16 PM5/16/13
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<Crus...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:
>>Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>
>>If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
Lie number 1
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/>
Lie number 2
> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts.
The two faced lying kook is still at it -
Why do you feel the need to lie all the time
Cheers
Tommy
>>Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>
>>If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/>
> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts.
Why do you feel the need to lie all the time
Cheers
Tommy
Charlie M. 1958
May 16, 2013, 3:05:54 PM5/16/13
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On 5/16/2013 2:00 PM, Tommy wrote:
> <Crus...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:
>
>>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>>
>>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>
> Lie number 1
>
Hold on there, Tonto. :-)
> <Crus...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:
>
>>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>>
>>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>
> Lie number 1
>
The words above are /mine/, in response to his remark that a drunk can
still have a life and die happy from alcohol.
Now just what do you disagree with about /my/ statement?
nipntuk
May 16, 2013, 3:20:37 PM5/16/13
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Tommy
May 16, 2013, 3:25:16 PM5/16/13
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"Charlie M. 1958" <alw...@impatient.com> wrote in message
news:kn3afc$e0d$1...@dont-email.me...
Lie number 1
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/>
Lie number 2
> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts.
There now, don't you feel so much better
Cheers
Tommy
news:kn3afc$e0d$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 5/16/2013 2:00 PM, Tommy wrote:
>> <Crus...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:
>>
>>>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>>>
>>>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>>
>> Lie number 1
>>
>
> Hold on there, Tonto. :-)
>
> The words above are /mine/, in response to his remark that a drunk can
> still have a life and die happy from alcohol.
Which I neither agree nor disagree with - nor did I...
>> <Crus...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:
>>
>>>> Who the hell ever "still had a life" and "died happy" from alcohol?
>>>>
>>>> If you're happy and you've got a life, there's no reason to quit
>>>> drinking in the first place. AA is a non-factor in that case.
>>
>> Lie number 1
>>
>
> Hold on there, Tonto. :-)
>
> The words above are /mine/, in response to his remark that a drunk can
> still have a life and die happy from alcohol.
>
> Now just what do you disagree with about /my/ statement?
Back off Mojo - read it again - this time slowly :-))
> Now just what do you disagree with about /my/ statement?
Lie number 1
> I know several people at the bar where I work who are happy yet drink
> too much. Several of them have lost their drivers license and/>
Lie number 2
> The guy I mentioned above, was sent to AA by the courts.
Cheers
Tommy
Charlie M. 1958
May 16, 2013, 3:29:45 PM5/16/13
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On 5/16/2013 2:25 PM, Tommy wrote:
> There now, don't you feel so much better
>
> Cheers
> Tommy
>
>
I can't help it if you didn't put your commas in the right places. :-)
> There now, don't you feel so much better
>
> Cheers
> Tommy
>
>
Tommy
May 16, 2013, 3:47:12 PM5/16/13
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"Charlie M. 1958" <alw...@impatient.com> wrote in message
news:kn3bs1$jtv$1...@dont-email.me...
'''' I love apostrophes'''
amd inverted commas are so, well they're just so 99 and 66
Cheers
Tommy
Crus...@nomail.com
May 16, 2013, 5:33:32 PM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 13:46:28 +0000 (UTC), Mike T.
<into.act...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The only thing AA kills is the desire to drink and replaces it with a
>desire to remain so Ed and enjoy life.
What??????? This makes no sense. You better sober up, you're typing
<into.act...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The only thing AA kills is the desire to drink and replaces it with a
>desire to remain so Ed and enjoy life.
drunk or drunk typing. Now get to a meeting and admit you drank a fifth
this morning. There is a meeting going on right now, it's at the
Whitehouse in the oval office!
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