JUST FOR KEN RAGGE: THE ESSENCE OF C.G.JUNG
Rich
Please use this as a definition of the essence of Jung's work - view
it as a portmanteau you can take with you - so when you are spouting
complete drivel you can quickly reference back to what Jung set out to
do and correct yourself.
Jung emphasized the importance of balance and harmony. He cautioned
that modern people rely too heavily on science and logic and would
benefit from integrating spirituality and appreciation of unconscious
realms.
Rich
Ken
Yes. There was real "balance and harmony" in the rise of the Aryan
nation and the dispossession and murder of the Jews. There was real
"balance and harmony" in pushing "barefoot and pregnant" on all women.
There was real "balance and harmony" in not being around Africans because,
"Even today, the European, however highly
developed, cannot live with impunity among the Negroes
of Africa; their psychology gets into him unnoticed and unconsciously he
becomes a Negro. There is no fighting against it." -- Carl Jung
If Jung was really about harmony, I'd hate to see what hatred and
discord were like.
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that someone who vociferously
defends the theology/philosophy of neo-Buchmanism and describes it as
"harmless" would do exactly the sort of thing Buchman did when he
remarked how Himmler was a great guy.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Rich
Kenny - thanks.
Rich
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Ah, the good ol' classic of bringing up Hitler and the Nazis. Ken
loves to bring up Hitler and the Nazis when he knows he is incorrect.
Why does he do this. Well, it's clear, he has no counter argument
whatsoever.
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Kenny, by the way, you and Orange's claim that Buchman thought Himmler
was a great lad is not true at all. You and Orange know that, but you
guys don't give a shit.
You guys got this from Tom Driberg's book. It is known Driberg's
information and his book is not reliable.
Ken
who says the Nazis are great, Jews, Blacks, women and are bad
"incorrect"? You think the nonsense Rich responded with is correct? Lol!
The only way I can see that one might see it as "incorrect" is if one is
either under the illusion that Carl Jung was someone other than who he
was or if someone wants to hide who Carl Jung was because they want to
sell the same "spiritual" nonsense. Or, of course, if someone might be
a stupid troll.
No counter argument? Counter argument to what? I give direct quotes
from Jung's work showing him to be a Nazi supporter, antisemite,
racisist and misogynist and Rich responds with some nonsense about how
Jung "emphasized the importance of balance and harmony" and "warned
against rely[ing] too heavily on science and logic".
That is hardly something that needs to be countered. It is merely insane
ramblings. Maybe he has been hanging out with you too long.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Ken
Driberg was critical of Buchman and the Oxford Group. Buchman got his
messages on what was right and wrong directly from God and his program
was the forerunner of the A.A. program and the person from whom A.A.
got, among other things, the 12th Step promise of "conscious contact
with God." Isn't that right? When someone says he is getting direct
messages from God, how can he possibly be wrong? Lol!
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Look at the quote in Dribergs book. Buchman is not calling Himmler a
great lad.
Kenny, read below,
"Oh, I love trash!
Anything dirty or dingy or dusty
Anything ragged or rotten or rusty
Yes, I love trash
I have here a sneaker that's tattered and worn
It's all full of holes and the laces are torn
A gift from my mother the day I was born
I love it because it's trash
Oh, I love trash!
Anything dirty or dingy or dusty
Anything ragged or rotten or rusty
Yes, I love trash
I have here some newspaper thirteen months old
I wrapped fish inside it; it's smelly and cold
But I wouldn't trade it for a big pot o' gold!
I love it because it's trash
Oh, I love trash!
Anything dirty or dingy or dusty
Anything ragged or rotten or rusty
Yes, I love trash
I've a clock that won't work
And an old telephone
A broken umbrella, a rusty trombone
And I am delighted to call them my own!
I love them because they're trash
Oh, I love trash!
Anything dirty or dingy or dusty
Anything ragged or rotten or rusty
Yes, I love, I love, I love trash! "
-Oscar the Grouch
Mr. Snuffleupagus
You are funny. Ken you have yet to put up an counter argument to
Jung's work, all you can do is show anti-semitic quotes Jung may have
or may not of made. No counter argument though, funny.
Kenny, do you even know who Tom Driberg is and why he is seen as
unreliable. It's not because of some book he wrote about Frank Buchman
and the Oxford group.
Plus Kenny, you should really look at what agent orange is quoting, it
is quite funny how wrong orange is. Purposely Misquoting some shitty
book is funny. Specially, when orange has some idiot like you that
will repeat everything he writes.
Ken
And he his writing wasn't just anti-semitic. It was also racist, misogynist and pro-Third Reich. Check the sources. I'm not sure what "counter argument" one needs to a denial that Jung's own words have anything to do with Jung.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Ken
> unreliable. It's not because of some book he wrote about Frank Buchman
> and the Oxford group.
>
and his immediate followers said he wasn't reliable. It wasn't a direct
countering of anything he said but a personal attack.
Did you get messages direct from God that said that Driberg was
unreliable? Is that why he was unreliable? Do you realize you are
defending Frank Buchman? Between you defending Buchman and Rich
defending Jung, you guys are making A.A. members, who are simply wrong,
look far worse than they really are. Lol! I'm glad you aren't
defending me. Then I would have a problem.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Ken
> is quite funny how wrong orange is. Purposely Misquoting some shitty
> book is funny. Specially, when orange has some idiot like you that
> will repeat everything he writes.
>
point it out to prove your point. That is what sources are given for,
so people can check them. As it stands now, you are doing nothing more
or less than pissing into the wind.
And it seems that you are talking far more about Orange than I am.
Again, it isn't proving me wrong to say someone else is wrong who I am
not using as a source.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Mr. Snuffleupagus
wrote:
ABC-DEF-GHI-JKL-MNOP-QRSTUV-WXYZ
It's the most remarkable word I've ever seen
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I wish I knew exactly what I mean
It starts out like an "A" word as anyone can see
But somewhere in the middle it gets awful "QR" to me
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If I ever find out just what this word can mean
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You never see in a zoo
Or maybe a kind of a doggie
Or particular shade of blue
Or maybe a pretty flower
Naah, not with a name like that, Uh uh!
ABC-DEF-GHI-JKL-MNOP-QRSTUV-WXYZ
It's the most remarkable word I've ever seen
ABC-DEF-GHI-JKL-MNOP-QRSTUV-WXYZ
I wish I knew exactly what I mean
It starts out like an "A" word as anyone can see
But somewhere in the middle it gets awful "QR" to me
ABC-DEF-GHI-JKL-MNOP-QRSTUV-WXYZ
If I ever find out just what this word can mean
I'll be the smartest bird the world has ever seen!
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Ken, all you are doing is attacking Carl Jung's characteristics
instead of criticizing his ideas. You do shameless attacks towards
people in an attempt to discredit the person. Mainly you just compare
them to the nazis. You do this over and over. You have yet to
criticize Jung's ideas, you have called him a nazi, and that is about
it. IT seems that is about all you can do. Seriously Ken, take a
class in rhetoric.
Mr. Snuffleupagus (the elephant looking Muppet)
"Sesame Street is just a front for AA. Sesame Street is trying to
brainwash children into believing in the 12 steps" Ken Ragge, More
Revealed, pg127
Ken
"characteristics" instead of his "ideas." I posted direct quotes from
Carl Jung. Those are his ideas, not his characteristics.
I see no reason why I should feel shame for attacking a racist,
antisemitic and misogynist phrenologist who waxed poetic over the
wonders of the Third Reich while criticizing the Jews for being racist,
antisemitic and misogynist. And my "attack," which got you and Rich all
upset, was merely posting direct quotes from the "Collected Works of
Carl Jung".
Is there anyone here who needs me to repost those direct quotes from
Carl Jung?
> Mr. Snuffleupagus (the elephant looking Muppet)
>
> "Sesame Street is just a front for AA. Sesame Street is trying to
> brainwash children into believing in the 12 steps" Ken Ragge, More
> Revealed, pg127
>
Yes. All of you Groupers, please don't go check out page 127 of More
Revealed right away. I couldn't handle the ammo you'd get to shoot at
me. Whatever you do, don't click on the direct link to that page and
read where I am accusing Sesame Street of being a front for A.A.
http://www.morerevealed.com/library/mr/newmr_127.jsp
Lol! You are too funny. The very best you can do is to directly and
unabashedly lie. No points for recovery from the position of covering
your ears and shouting "na,na,na,na!" to where you are now.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Ken, I repeat, you're just attacking Carl Jung's character. You are
just attacking Carl Jung's character, not his ideas. I understand
you're quoting Carl Jung. You're posting them in an attempt to
discredit Jung, but it has not worked. This is all you can do, try to
prove the person is an anti-semite/nazi. Therefore, according to you,
his ideas are worthless. Why don't you criticize his ideas? They must
be too complicated for you to comprehend.
I guess, according to your logic, none of us should drive Ford cars
because Henry Ford was an anti-Semite. By driving Ford cars we would
be supporting his views. I suppose what Charles Lindbergh doesn't mean
anything because he was an anti-semite, nazi sympathizer, and an
Isolationist.
I enjoy how you decided to post a link to your website. Why? To try to
prove my fake quote wrong? That's pretty funny, that you felt you
needed to post a link to your website. Ken, you must assume people are
idiots like you. Any fool would realize I made that quote up, except
you, apparently.
Blah, blah , blah, apparently I'm a "grouper." I didn't know that I
attend any 12 step programs. Then again, anyone that dares to
criticize Kenny and the gang is obviously a "stepper."
20 years and what have you accomplished? Nothing
Ken
You are too funny. Why are you so desperately defending Jung? Do you
have something against Jews, blacks, Chinese, Native Americans and
women? Do you believe in phrenology?
> This is all you can do, try to
> prove the person is an anti-semite/nazi. Therefore, according to you,
> his ideas are worthless. Why don't you criticize his ideas? They must
> be too complicated for you to comprehend.
>
To complicated? Hardly. To complicated to justify his hateful comments
as indicative of a man who knew something about "balance and harmony"
without cracking up laughing? That is true.
> I guess, according to your logic, none of us should drive Ford cars
> because Henry Ford was an anti-Semite. By driving Ford cars we would
> be supporting his views. I suppose what Charles Lindbergh doesn't mean
> anything because he was an anti-semite, nazi sympathizer, and an
> Isolationist.
>
That is interesting. You are demonstrating a problem you have that you
have shown here before. You don't seem to understand that intellectual
abstraction is not necessarily tied with warmth, compassion,
understanding, humanity and anything else of that nature. If someone
with at least a small degree of accuracy sees himself as brilliant at
selling shoes, that does not mean he is also a great fighter pilot or
doctor or anything else.
If people was holding Ford up as a brilliant, loving, caring arbiter of
how humanity ought to handle life's problems, then I would argue that an
anti-semite whack job had no business doing so. If he were still here
selling cars, that would be another matter.
And are you sure that Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer? I've heard
reports that he was a U.S. government agent. And even if he was those
things, that doesn't take away from his abilities as an aviator. It
does take away from his quality as a human being.
> I enjoy how you decided to post a link to your website. Why? To try to
> prove my fake quote wrong? That's pretty funny, that you felt you
> needed to post a link to your website. Ken, you must assume people are
> idiots like you. Any fool would realize I made that quote up, except
> you, apparently.
>
Why not slip in a quote to important accurate information that people
are unlikely to see anywhere else. People know very, very little about
"thought reform" and "opinion change." That page was near the beginning
of the section where I began writing about the details of Grouper
behavior that progressively corners him into a position where he can be
gotten to work the Steps and becoming even further committed to the
cult. It is usually interesting material for those who are not 12-Step
cult members. It is sometimes life-saving information for those who
have become so distrustful of themselves under pressures of indoctrination.
> Blah, blah , blah, apparently I'm a "grouper." I didn't know that I
> attend any 12 step programs. Then again, anyone that dares to
> criticize Kenny and the gang is obviously a "stepper."
>
Anyone who stalks a critic of the Step groups and posts scores if not
hundreds of messages attacking the critic and even goes so far as to
defend people like Jung when he sees just a few words of what he wrote
about the vast majority of humanity has so much wrong with him that
whether he is a Step group member or not is rather irrelevant.
And, of course, it isn't my fault if the Groupers have expanded on
Buchman's "spiritual principle of Anonymity" so far that there are
Steppers who don't just not identify themselves as such but flat out
lie. When there are Step group members who will lie, it makes it
sometimes difficult for people who act like the worst of them even if
they happen to tell the truth.
Maybe you can take it up with W.S.O. in New York. Maybe you can write a
letter telling them that members lying makes the program look bad for
the members who don't lie.
Or maybe you can have the cartoon character that posts with you here
write it for you.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/