A Great Video on YouTube
Ken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4Y8suWOXo
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Mr. Snuffleupagus
> The Narcissistic Nature of Alcoholics Anonymoushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4Y8suWOXo
>
> Ken Raggehttp://www.morerevealed.com/
Hi Ken,
Is the video you linked based on you?
Checkout the number one video about the Anti-AA crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqFmrRtfVg It is the most viewed video
dealing with AA with 69,064 views.
Enjoy
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Rich
Kenny,
Oh that's right and you and your rabble of AA haters do not indulge in
a narcissistic gratification process of your own? Please you will have
to try a lot harder to remove yourself from the last 18 years of your
pop-psychologists mind set!! LOL.
Rich
Ken
It seems you were not being honest when you said that educational
qualifications were important to you. In a separate post, I'll post
some comments from people with degrees to More Revealed, the book you
love to hate and yet only pretend you've read. But at least you've
gotten better from when you claimed you had read "all" my books. Maybe
if you are going to lie, you should do just a tiny bit of homework.
You are doing an excellent job proving Jeff Schaler's paper on how cult
members respond when their cult is criticized.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Rich
Kenny,
I clarified my position on your book some time ago. I read the re-
print because I wanted to read it again - you should be pleased. I
believe there are Cults in the world and AA is not one of them.
Really? - "You are doing an excellent job proving Jeff Schaler's paper
on how cult
> members respond when their cult is criticized."
The impression you give after some consideration which I've just
intimated above once I've fully taken in your message in Morerevealed
is that you have desperately shoe horned established thought on Cults
and the then causes of Alcoholism to suite your cause. Similarily you
would have to agree the historical parts of the book are only your
interpretation of events.
This is why I and many others have a problem with your work. For
example I receieved my MBA not for the prestige but to gain the
knowledge of the business niche and demonstrate to my target audience
that I can think to that level. It adds some credibility when selling/
raising finance etc in my case. Big deal you will say - but that's my
point - I think your work is dreadful and poorly done - not because I
think AA is above criticism - and the thought process behind your work
is poor.
So if like with you - there is a constant flow of drivel and
happenstance answers to a very complicated and messy problem - then I
decided to demonstrate to anybody passing by what a complete crank you
are.
Rich
Wozza Ports
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and yet, completely unable or unwilling to provide definite examples.
Ken
> Kenny,
>
> I clarified my position on your book some time ago. I read the re-
> print because I wanted to read it again - you should be pleased. I
> believe there are Cults in the world and AA is not one of them.
>
What value does your not believing that A.A. is a cult have? If it
isn't a cult, you could perhaps show how it doesn't meet the criteria of
the BITE model, or how it doesn't meet the R.J. Lifton's eight criteria
for a totalitarian organization. Of course, you can't do that.
Saying "I believe A.A. is not a cult" is like saying "I believe in
Intelligent Design". It doesn't make Intelligent Design true and it
doesn't make A.A. not a cult.
> Really? - "You are doing an excellent job proving Jeff Schaler's paper
> on how cult
>
>> members respond when their cult is criticized."
>>
>
> The impression you give after some consideration which I've just
> intimated above once I've fully taken in your message in Morerevealed
> is that you have desperately shoe horned established thought on Cults
> and the then causes of Alcoholism to suite your cause.
Shoe horned? Lol! How about A.A. trustee George Vaillant who _admits_
that A.A. uses cult techniques? Did Vaillant also have to "shoe horn"
the facts to come to the obvious conclusion? I'm not saying Vaillant
can't shoe horn quite well. He is a man whose own research found A.A.
less than useless yet still managed to insist that doctors ought to send
people with drinking problems to A.A.
I remember one time being in an argument with someone on whether or not
A.A. was a cult on addict-l. Perhaps you've read it in your efforts to
find something I've written to criticize. A woman was telling me that
Margaret Singer wrote that A.A. wasn't a cult. Singer gave three
reasons why it wasn't. I went and got my copy of "Cults in Our Midst"
and typed out Singer's three reasons. Since the woman who I was arguing
with was very familiar with A.A. and honest, the argument was over.
> Similarily you
> would have to agree the historical parts of the book are only your
> interpretation of events.
>
How does one interpret early A.A. members locking up someone because
they were so afraid he would get drunk so he could go on the air and
promote A.A. by telling how he had been saved from alcoholism by A.A.?
I really want to hear this. Are you going to say that the A.A. people
who told the story in A.A. conference-approved literature did some sort
of "interpreting" in the writing? Or did I "interpret" the story (as
well as other things directly from A.A. literature) wrong when I
_quoted_ it? Do you perhaps also have a non-dictionary definition for
"interpret"?
> This is why I and many others have a problem with your work.
Yes. It points out things you and many others, not just 12-Steppers but
people like the followers of Rick Warren and sometimes those who don't
like A.A. but wish to be gurus would simply rather not know, or at least
be said.
> For
> example I receieved my MBA not for the prestige but to gain the
> knowledge of the business niche and demonstrate to my target audience
> that I can think to that level. It adds some credibility when selling/
> raising finance etc in my case. Big deal you will say - but that's my
> point -
It is a very poor point. Having an MBA no more makes you an expert on
cult techniques than having a PhD in interior design makes you an
engineering expert. You are being so incredibly obtuse, I'm left here
wondering if you went to Jerry Falwell's university.
> I think your work is dreadful and poorly done - not because I
> think AA is above criticism - and the thought process behind your work
> is poor.
>
Of course your preconceived notions have absolutely nothing to do with
your opinions because you have (or at least say you have) an MBA.
I'm afraid that your MBA is useless outside of business circles.
> So if like with you - there is a constant flow of drivel and
> happenstance answers to a very complicated and messy problem - then I
> decided to demonstrate to anybody passing by what a complete crank you
> are.
>
I just have the wrong answers because they come from research in
psychology, addiction, the technology of influence and similar areas
rather than from sources originating with the Step groups.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morevealed.com/
> Rich
>
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Ken, I'm afraid your 10th grade education is useless in discussing
these matters.
Rich
Kenny,
I'm sorry I mentioned my MBA now - it will not happen again. Can we
kiss and make up?
Rich