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hcf...@hotmail.com

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Dec 9, 2005, 3:44:23 PM12/9/05
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I'm tossing my make-up in January and buying all new. I try to do this
every year, though I know you are supposed to replace certain make-ups
after 3 months, 6 months, etc. I don't wear it a whole lot though.

Anyway, I was going through my make-up today and I discovered I had
purchased identical eyeshadow pallates (sp). This might not seem like a
big deal to others, but it was HUGE for me because I NEVER do that. I
don't have enough make-up to do that usually so it was really weird for
me to see that I had two of the same. I tossed them both since I'd only
used both one time.

Jessica V.

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Dec 10, 2005, 12:56:09 AM12/10/05
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Cosmetics don't need to be replaced if you avoid contamination by using
disposable applicators or brushes that can be washed and disinfected.
If it doesn't touch your skin then the make up it'll last much longer.
Might be too much hassle if you can wear inexpensive drugstore
cosmetics though. I've sensitive skin and can only wear a few brands
of pricey cosmetics so the extra hassle is worthwhile to me.

Jessica

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Dec 10, 2005, 2:29:12 PM12/10/05
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Jessica V. wrote:
> Cosmetics don't need to be replaced if you avoid contamination by using
> disposable applicators or brushes that can be washed and disinfected.
> If it doesn't touch your skin then the make up it'll last much longer.
> Might be too much hassle if you can wear inexpensive drugstore
> cosmetics though. I've sensitive skin and can only wear a few brands
> of pricey cosmetics so the extra hassle is worthwhile to me.

I actually do wash the brushes and applicators I use although the
make-up isn't all that expensive (Cover Girl and Revlon) as compared to
department store lines like Clinique. For me, it's pricey enough just
to buy CG or Revlon so I try to cut down on replacing it frequently by
washing the brushes, etc.

But, every year I do go ahead and replace it all because that way, I
know that it's no more than a year old and psychologically it makes me
feel better.

New Leaf

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Dec 10, 2005, 5:57:26 PM12/10/05
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I'm not quite as good as you with purging it, but I do find that some
products smell off after as little as 6 months, and then I toss them. I
like powder foundation. It's a good cross between concealer, powder and
foundation. I use my fingers to put it on because I get better
coverage, but have noticed it only lasts 4-6 months before it needs to
be tossed. One of my cousins wore 20 year old Mary Quant eyeshadow
(purchased in Carnaby Street when she went to Europe in the 60s) to a
party once because it matched her dress so perfectly.

Viv

Stormmee

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Dec 12, 2005, 5:01:26 AM12/12/05
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that is interesting, wonder if you bought it on sale or when you didn't have
access to the original, Lee
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Stormmee wrote:
> that is interesting, wonder if you bought it on sale or when you didn't have
> access to the original, Lee

Could be. Was just such a weird discovery for me to have done that. I'm
actually looking forward to replacing my make-up in January. I might
try something totally different. I'm going to go to one of those
department store make-up counters to have my make-up done. I won't buy
anything too expensive there, probably just a lipstick or something
like that, but it's nice to see what they can do and then go and match
it as best as possible with the cheaper stuff.

Jessica V.

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Dec 12, 2005, 5:44:34 PM12/12/05
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If you wear foundation, I'd suggest that as the sole make-up counter
splurge. It amazes me how much better everything else looks when the
foundation color is perfect. When I was younger I could wear drug store
make-up, but never found a shade that was perfect for me until I did
the make up counter thing. I wear a powder foundation on a near daily
basis, my current brand of choice is MAC at about $25 a pop, previously
I wore Elizabeth Arden at about $40 a pop, until they reformulated the
product and no longer had one that matched my skin tone.

Jessica

Stormmee

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Dec 13, 2005, 12:45:28 AM12/13/05
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if you are interested in that check out merle Norman Lee
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Stormmee

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Dec 13, 2005, 12:47:37 AM12/13/05
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I haven't worn foundation in years, I think that is why my skin is decent at
46. If I need a "foundation Like" effect I put on moisturizer first, Lee
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New Leaf

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Dec 13, 2005, 1:45:14 PM12/13/05
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Stormmee wrote:
> I haven't worn foundation in years, I think that is why my skin is decent at
> 46. If I need a "foundation Like" effect I put on moisturizer first, Lee
>

I agree with you. I put on a bit of powder foundation when my skin tone
is uneven, but I don't cake it on. I am also careful to cleanse at
night. I have also been wearing eye cream since I was 17. You might
laugh at that, but when I was 17, my mom was 42 and I was horrified at
the crow's feet she had. (My mom is a very outdoorsy person and didn't
wear sunscreen when she was younger because it hadn't been invented) I
bought Estee Lauder eye cream and started using it every night. I've
changed brands over the years but am careful to use it nightly. Some
people on this group have met me in person and can offer a better
perspective, but I think my face looks younger than 47 because of all
that cream.

I was surprised to hear Joan Collins say that her skin is so good
BECAUSE she wears foundation and it protects her skin from the
environment. No, Joan, it just looks like you have good skin because
you got it stretched so tight!

Viv

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Dec 13, 2005, 2:35:42 PM12/13/05
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I actually find that a fantastic nighttime moisturizer is plain, cheap,
reliable old petroleum jelly. After washing my face, while my skin is
still damp, I apply a light coat (avoiding my nose, which can tend to be
a bit oily). After a few minutes, my skin doesn't feel greasy, just
incredibly soft, and still feels that way in the morning after sleeping
all night.

During the day, I use a lighter moisturizer with SPF 15. I do need
foundation to look presentable, as I have skin that, albeit quite
healthy, has uneven ruddy patches. I like the long-wearing foundations
like Revlon Colorstay that don't wear off, especially during the summer
(sweat) and winter (rain). Using a makeup sponge really does help in
applying it thinly and evenly.

I've always heard the main thing to remember about moisturizer is that
it is not providing moisture of its own, but kind of like Saran Wrap,
sealing in your skin's own moisture, which is water, so it's important
to apply it to damp skin.

Diva

Stormmee

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Dec 14, 2005, 2:51:07 AM12/14/05
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I use cream sporadically but still don't have any crows feet, I know they
are coming because both parents have them, but I think the biggest part of
that is because I avoid the sun on my face like a vampire. when out if I am
going to be there for longer than ten minutes I wear a hat. As to
foundation, the final straw on it is this, when I met DH, say after a couple
of years, I was around 23 or so, we went to a friends house who has a heavy
make up habit, DH calls it a "$20.00 a day clown habit" We arrived before
she put on her face, after we left he asked me how long she had been under
the weather, I said she wasn't, then he said, why is her face so blotchy and
uneven, that is when I explained about the make up, he said, man am I glad
you don't do that, you look good now, and will look good later, any envy for
those who regularly wore make up left me at that moment, Lee
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Stormmee

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Dec 14, 2005, 2:53:31 AM12/14/05
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a movie make up artist told me that damp skin is best, also he told me, that
most stars use, of all things Listerine for astringent, and Preparation H
for the nighttime cream, Lee, who is serious
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Kim Olson

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:31:26 AM12/14/05
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I've never been a make-up wearer, either, and just don't think it's good for
the skin (absolutely the last time I wore it was at my sister's wedding in
January 1994). I use generic Oil of Olay with SPF 15 (only thing I'll use
now, once I found out how your skin just kind of sucks it up, not at all
greasy). (I'm going to be 43 in January and my new neighbor across the hall
thought this was my first "real" apartment post-college and that I must be
new here, too. ;-) She guessed me at 24. My biased eye thinks I look about
30.)
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Stormmee

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Dec 14, 2005, 11:44:19 AM12/14/05
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where do you get the generic OL, Lee
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Kim Olson

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Dec 14, 2005, 3:35:07 PM12/14/05
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Wal-mart's Equate brand (I think it's $2.65, IIRC, vs. over $8 for Oil of
Olay, for 6 oz.). They don't make the Equate unscented with sunscreen
(though they have unscented without sunscreen), so if you don't mind a baby
oil kind of smell, it's not bad at all. It's called "Oil of Beauty," I
think, and will say, "Compare to Oil of Olay" on the box.

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hcf...@hotmail.com

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:07:25 PM12/14/05
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Interesting comments from everyone on this thread! I especially
appreciate the tip from you Kim re: Equate's version of Olay. I've been
using the Equate version of Neutrogina's sunscreen/moisturizer. I do
like Olay products better though. I was actually quite sad when they
stopped producing the Olay make-up line.

I'm not a big one for make-up as I mentioned. I do think it keeps your
skin younger and fresher looking without it. I know women who spend
hundreds on make-up every year and I just can't justify that kind of
money nor would I ever really wear it that much so why go with the
expensive stuff?

On the topic of petroleum jelly, that stuff is fantastic for a lot of
things including moisturizing your feet. I put it on my heels, put on
socks and sleep like that and it does smooth out my feet.

Stormmee

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:08:46 PM12/14/05
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thanks, I am currently using a face product from loriealsp, that is a face
scrub and face lotion, I love it but am always on the look out for something
new to try... when I was in my 20s I worked with a woman who was almost
fifty*old to me at the time* who called it oil of old ladies and said when
I got there I would love it also, Lee

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I was the cat

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:27:57 PM12/14/05
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Are you sure the remark about Preparation H wasn't a comment on what the
make up artist thought of movie actors?

You have to admit--they're using it on the opposite end it was intended for.
;)

Brenda

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Stormmee

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:53:24 PM12/14/05
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good point but he said that it was regularly used but the vain ones got it
and put it in a decorator jar, he also told us that the ones you think are
nice aren't and the nice ones appear nasty, Lee, remembering her youth
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val189

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hcf...@hotmail.com wrote:
I was actually quite sad when they
> stopped producing the Olay make-up line.

Someone over in alt.fashon just used the last of her stash of OofO
fndtn (Something Radiance?) and I think they threw a small wake. Many
loved the product and are still trying to find something comparable.

> On the topic of petroleum jelly, that stuff is fantastic for a lot of
> things including moisturizing your feet. I put it on my heels, put on
> socks and sleep like that and it does smooth out my feet.

Use a thin layer of it over your night eye cream and you'll actually
wake up with some semblance of moisture in that area.

One product I do think is worth the dough - Goat Milk hand cream by
Crabtree and Evelyn.

Seanette Blaylock

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Dec 14, 2005, 10:03:39 PM12/14/05
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"Kim Olson" <kim...@earthlink.netnospam> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: Make-up:

>I've never been a make-up wearer, either, and just don't think it's good for
>the skin (absolutely the last time I wore it was at my sister's wedding in
>January 1994). I use generic Oil of Olay with SPF 15 (only thing I'll use
>now, once I found out how your skin just kind of sucks it up, not at all
>greasy). (I'm going to be 43 in January and my new neighbor across the hall
>thought this was my first "real" apartment post-college and that I must be
>new here, too. ;-) She guessed me at 24. My biased eye thinks I look about
>30.)

I don't use makeup, mostly for two reasons: I don't want to hassle
with that much fuss that early in the day (I'd rather grab a little
extra pillow time (smile)), and I'm so nearsighted that my nose
practically has to touch the mirror while I'm putting on eye makeup.
This is, to put it mildly, inconvenient. :-)

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doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.
:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL

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Dec 14, 2005, 10:09:26 PM12/14/05
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Preparation H is used by many women to reduce puffiness under the eyes,
since swollen tissues are swollen tissues, I guess :)

Diva

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Dec 15, 2005, 11:18:28 AM12/15/05
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I'll have to check into the Equate brand of Oil of Olay w/sunscreen.
Currently, I use the Equate facial cloths, cut into quarters, for
cleansing, which I'm very happy with, and use Suave moisturizer with SPF
15, which I think was under $3. When I run out and need more, I'll
compare that to the Equate price.

As for facial scrubs, the St. Ives apricot scrubs are inexpensive and
good. Or, even more frugal, you can use some salt mixed with enough
lotion to make a paste, and rub that onto clean skin. Be gentle. It
leaves your skin baby soft.

Diva

New Leaf

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val189 wrote:
>>
> One product I do think is worth the dough - Goat Milk hand cream by
> Crabtree and Evelyn.

YES!!!!! I love it, too. I also give my mom the gardener's cream that
has the little granules in it.

Viv

Kim Olson

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You're welcome! I love the stuff. Wish they sold it by the gallon. :-)

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Kim Olson

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I hate putting anything heavy on my face, or self, for that matter (makes me
feel like I need to wash up again even though I just got out of the shower),
and I love this. It just soaks right in. I just slather all over when I jump
out of the shower.

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"I was the cat" <i_was_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> Are you sure the remark about Preparation H wasn't a comment on


what the
> make up artist thought of movie actors?

> You have to admit--they're using it on the opposite end it was
intended for.
> ;)

I've read this advice from dermatologists in a woman's magazine in
the past. Good for inflamed, red bits everywhere.


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Motives

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Dec 17, 2005, 3:53:39 PM12/17/05
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Hi to All:
I just joined this group Tuesday, but due to major surgery on
Wednesday, I hadn't looked at the emails till today.

I am a Motives Beauty Consultant so I was quite interested in this
particular topic. I enjoy doing facials and makeovers and sharing
tips, etc., but I will miss that for awhile because I won't be
conducting Skincare Clinics, Home Beauty Clinics, Bridal Shows, etc.
till after the first of the year. Giving myself time to recuperate.

Any way, I thought I might share some info regarding replacing your
cosmetics. I use clean brushes on each client, but am also applying
their makeup on a face that I have just cleansed. I never have to
throw powders away for this reason, even dipping the brushes directly
onto the powders. For an example - using a compact to freshen up your
powder during the day, using the same brush, or pouf, etc. will cause
that powder to start to smell or 'sour' due to the dirt, oil, and
bacteria that builds up on your skin during the day. It comes from
your skin to your brush or pouf and then gets put on your powder over
and over again. If you use a loose powder or pressed powder with your
makeup kit in the morning, on a freshly cleansed face, but don't use it
for touch-ups, you will find that powder will probably last until it is
used up and ready to replace. (unless you seldom use it) Its still a
good idea to clean your brushes often, so you use clean brushes on
clean skin.

However, creams and lotions (such as foundations), should not even be
used a year if you are dipping your fingers into the product or putting
a cosmetic sponge over the lid of the bottle and shaking it, then
putting on your face. Putting it against your skin and back into the
product is contaminating the product with bacteria. Creams should be
used with a small spatula to dip or scrape (for thicker cream eye
shadows or blushes) some product onto the spatula and work from the
spatula. Just clean it off when you are finished. Or, with
foundation, pour a little bit on a cosmetic sponge, apply, pour a
little more, etc.

Tip on mascara - definitely don't use longer than 3 months and always
move your mascara wand back and forth in the tube - Don't pump it up
and down. 'Pumping' it just causing bacteria to breed more.

I hope this is helpful and gives you some tips on your cosmetics
lasting longer - even with just using clean brushes and spatulas, etc.

Just wanted to add one thing about skincare - although most skincare
should involve several steps, I'm not trying to lecture, so I just
wanted to add, no matter what, be sure to use a facial cleanser (not
your body soap or gel), and always use a moisturizer. Even oily skin
still needs a moisturizer. Especially if you use an astringent, which
tends to dry your skin, to dry up the oil. Your skin can not
automatically produce more moisture, so it will start producing more
oil to compensate for the dryness and therefore, you will defeat your
purpose and your skin will be oily shortly after trying to get rid of
the oil! A lot of you may already know this, but hope it helps if
there's anyone who didn't.

I look forward to 'talking' with you all more.
Brenda

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Brenda,

Those are great tips, thanks for sharing them!

:)

I was the cat

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I just want to avoid any confusion--this is a new Brenda--not the old Brenda
(i was the cat) that only wears make-up for funerals and court dates. :)

Brenda

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Stormmee

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it is nice to have what I have been taught over the years confirmed, welcome
and I hope you get better fast. Lee
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I'm a huge believer in rough washcloths (ie, Wal-mart inexpensive
$2.50/doz., I think), Ivory soap all over (including the face), good scrub
in the shower, then plenty of moisturizer all over afterward, just once a
day (usually at night, since that's almost always when I shower). It's a
quick and easy way to exfoliate naturally (never have understood how people
can feel clean without a good scrub in the shower with a good, rough
washcloth), nothing special needed. Except for a few pimples here and there
in adolescence, I've had great skin with this approach.

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New Leaf wrote:
> val189 wrote:
> >>
> > One product I do think is worth the dough - Goat Milk hand cream by
> > Crabtree and Evelyn.
>
> YES!!!!! I love it, too.

Only problem is--I cut the tube in half, hoping to scrape some more out
- watch out, it's a metal tube and I got cut. But, tube cutting usually
yields a ton of product which clings to sides, neck and shoulders. I
tranferred it to a plastic jar. Frugal me at work.

If any of you are looking for rants and raves on just about any
cosmetic, google over in alt.fashion. Brands are discussed heavily,
and great tips are passed around.

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