Is There An Answer To This Question?

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?

Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
none of them really addressed the question.

[Devils Advocaat]

In response to your handle, get a bunch of bananas and a blanket, then
crawl under the table in the library, cover yourself with the blanket
and relax. :)

The clergy wont be able to give you an answer that addresses your
question, I suspect this is because, they've never been trained to
deal with such matters.

[sbalneav]

I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.

--
__ _ | Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value
(_ |_) | of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with.
__)|_) | -- Mark Twain

[Uncle Vic]

Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote in news:jyczcyhykuan
$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net:

> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> none of them really addressed the question.
>

They won't, either. The best they can do is to make up stories, like
"god" makes you forget them.

My favorite is the "heavenly bodies" they get when they go to heaven. How
would they recognize their loved ones in a group of billions of new bodies?
Would these bodies represent the person in childhood, puberty, young adult,
middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?

And what about all the sacred sperms that are flushed down the toilet, and
the eggs that exit a woman's body once a month? Do they get names? Do
they get one of those bodies? Or do they burn in hell for not accepting
jesus?

Usually the Christian runs out of patience at this point and starts
attacking the messenger, informing you that it is a sin to question your
faith, etc, etc, etc...

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
The meaning of life is to find your gift.
The purpose of life is to give it away.

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee

[raven1]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
wrote:

>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?

"B.C." cartoonist and psychotic Christian loon Johnny Hart once
answered that question in an interview by saying that while he
realized his deceased mother (a non-Fundamentalist - the horror! The
horror!) was in Hell, God would make him forget all about her when he
got to Heaven, so his own eternal happiness wouldn't be spoiled. I am
not joking. I wish I were.

>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>none of them really addressed the question.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Ken]

As neither exists, the question is moot

[Devils Advocaat]

As long as it isn't horse moot :P

[Syd M.]

Most, I think, feel glad that it's not them.

PDW

[Patrick]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
wrote:

>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>none of them really addressed the question.

It is a stupid question.
You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
understanding. You question reminds me of one asked by my
mother-in-law: "Do you think they will let me smoke in heaven?"
What do you think.
And then next..........
Who cares what you think?

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>wrote:
>
>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>none of them really addressed the question.
>
>It is a stupid question.

Hardly.

>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>understanding.

We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
gullible in line.

And the poster was just applying logic to what you morons threaten us
with, in the form of "assuming for the sake of argument".

But then you already knew this and were being deliberately stupid.

> You question reminds me of one asked by my
>mother-in-law: "Do you think they will let me smoke in heaven?"

She was just as gullible and stupid.

>What do you think.
>And then next..........
>Who cares what you think?

You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't post your mindless stupidity
in the atheist's newsgroup.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,

Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:

> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?

First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
exist.

Until you do that, there's nothing to discuss.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <o4hnh81adc5gm2lal...@4ax.com>,

raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
> wrote:
>
> >How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> "B.C." cartoonist and psychotic Christian loon Johnny Hart once
> answered that question in an interview by saying that while he
> realized his deceased mother (a non-Fundamentalist - the horror! The
> horror!) was in Hell, God would make him forget all about her when he
> got to Heaven, so his own eternal happiness wouldn't be spoiled. I am
> not joking. I wish I were.

That is truly sick.

[Christopher A. Lee]

A lot of them rationalise it this way - and as you say, it's sick. It
tells us plenty about them they would rather we didn't know.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>
>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
> exist.

The question was based on the premise that they do exist.

Duh.

> Until you do that, there's nothing to discuss.

.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:21:21 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>> In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
>> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>> First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
>> exist.
>
>The question was based on the premise that they do exist.
>
>Duh.

Which has yet to established.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

You don't like the word "premise"?

OK, try "assumption." How does that fit?

>>> Until you do that, there's nothing to discuss.

.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:40:00 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:31:44 -0800, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:21:21 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
>>>> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>
>>>> First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
>>>> exist.
>>>
>>>The question was based on the premise that they do exist.
>>>
>>>Duh.
>>
>> Which has yet to established.
>>
>> Duh.
>
>You don't like the word "premise"?
>
>OK, try "assumption." How does that fit?

Which has yet to be established.

Until then it's much the same as "if pigs had wings they might fly".

[Smiler]

If it's MOOt, it's either a cow or a ventrilloquist horse.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Olrik]

Le 2013-02-13 11:59, raven1 a �crit :

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> "B.C." cartoonist and psychotic Christian loon Johnny Hart once
> answered that question in an interview by saying that while he
> realized his deceased mother (a non-Fundamentalist - the horror! The
> horror!) was in Hell, God would make him forget all about her when he
> got to Heaven, so his own eternal happiness wouldn't be spoiled. I am
> not joking. I wish I were.

Shit, I knew he was a believer, and sometimes a funny one, I did not
realize he was a creepy fucknuts.

Now I must get rid of his books that I own. I'll put them in the recycle
bin this morning.

>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>> none of them really addressed the question.
>
> ---
> raven1
> aa # 1096
> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
> BAAWA Knight
>

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <zq2033r1zzdo$.139irsye...@40tude.net>,

Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
> > In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
> > Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
> >
> > First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
> > exist.
>
> The question was based on the premise that they do exist.
>
> Duh.

I don't accept your premise.

[duke]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:

>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?

The one in hell demanded his own demise.

>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>none of them really addressed the question.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[duke]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>> none of them really addressed the question.
>
>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.

I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
the flesh. That's the standard way.

[duke]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:44 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote in news:jyczcyhykuan
>$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net:
>
>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>
>
>They won't, either. The best they can do is to make up stories, like
>"god" makes you forget them.

>My favorite is the "heavenly bodies" they get when they go to heaven.

Not heavenly, but "glorified". Just like Jesus.

> How
>would they recognize their loved ones in a group of billions of new bodies?
>Would these bodies represent the person in childhood, puberty, young adult,
>middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?

Glorified bodies.

>And what about all the sacred sperms that are flushed down the toilet, and
>the eggs that exit a woman's body once a month? Do they get names? Do
>they get one of those bodies? Or do they burn in hell for not accepting
>jesus?

No, they're not human life.

>Usually the Christian runs out of patience at this point and starts
>attacking the messenger, informing you that it is a sin to question your
>faith, etc, etc, etc...

Stupid questions generally cause similar comments like that.

[duke]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>

wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>
>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>
>>It is a stupid question.
>
>Hardly.
>
>>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>understanding.
>
>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>gullible in line.

The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.

[duke]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:21:21 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>> In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
>> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>> First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
>> exist.

>The question was based on the premise that they do exist.
>Duh.

She doesn't get it.

>> Until you do that, there's nothing to discuss.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:15:08 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> In article <zq2033r1zzdo$.139irsye...@40tude.net>,
> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:15 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>
>>> In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
>>> Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>
>>> First, you have to provide evidence that either heaven or hell actually
>>> exist.
>>
>> The question was based on the premise that they do exist.
>>
>> Duh.
>
> I don't accept your premise.

I don't accept your inability to comprehend the original question in the
context in which it was posed.

Nobody's *that* stupid.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

I'll stick with "assumption" as in assuming that heaven and hell do exist.

To bring it down to an understandable level, let's play a game. Let's
pretend that the two realms do exist as put forth by most Xtian sects.

The original post was to see if there are answers that differ from those I
have heard during my lifetime.

Some of your ilk comprehended what I was looking for and provided answers
which have turned out to be the same or similar to what I've heard
throughout.

But others, e.g., Joan Douglas, went off on a tangent saying that the
question is moot because the two realms do not exist. She was one of those
who failed to grasp my little game of pretend. You seem to fall into that
category too.

Then, because I recognize that much Christian doctrine requires one to
completely abandon reason in favor of blind belief, I asked whether the
scholarly Xtian philosophers like Augustine, Ignatius, and Aquinas were
motivated by some self-serving interest. Got some good input and a lot of
irrelevant flak e.g., questioning whether these guys were scholarly in the
1st place.

Hope this clarifies the essence of my questions.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:07:47 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>

Let's pretend pigs had wings and might fly.

[W.T.S.]

In article <o2lph8pjpdr7ip3k5...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

>
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
> >>>
> >>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> >>>none of them really addressed the question.
> >>
> >>It is a stupid question.
> >
> >Hardly.
> >
> >>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
> >>understanding.
> >
> >We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
> >gullible in line.
>
> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.

Is it possible you've fallen for your own con game, "duke"? That's
never a good thing to do. Sort of like a quack con game Doctor getting
cancer.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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[Patrick]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>
>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>
>>It is a stupid question.
>
>Hardly.
>
>>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>understanding.
>
>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>gullible in line.

Like I said, it is beyond you ability to understand.

>And the poster was just applying logic to what you morons threaten us
>with, in the form of "assuming for the sake of argument".
>
>But then you already knew this and were being deliberately stupid.
>
>> You question reminds me of one asked by my
>>mother-in-law: "Do you think they will let me smoke in heaven?"
>
>She was just as gullible and stupid.
>
>>What do you think.
>>And then next..........
>>Who cares what you think?
>
>You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't post your mindless stupidity
>in the atheist's newsgroup.

Just following your lead, butt-wipe.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

Translation: You have no answer to the question.

That being the case, why not just shut up, yes?

[MarkA]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' wrote:

> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>

> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> none of them really addressed the question.

The obvious (and contrived) answer is that the love we experience on Earth
is flawed and imperfect compared to the Perfect Love we will experience
in Heaven, so, basically, those whom we currently hold to be loved ones
won't be so loved anymore, once we find out what Real Love is!

A much better question, that REALLY stumps the theists, is "What crime
could a human possibly commit that would warrant eternal torture, with no
chance of reprieve, as an appropriate punishment?", followed by, "Do you
think that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be such a crime?" If
they say, "No", point them to Matthew 12:31-32. If they say, "Yes", ask
them how they could worship such a monster.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[raven1]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:49:52 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>

Alternate translation: you have no idea how vapid the question is to
anyone who already rejects the underlying premises as absurd.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:36:20 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>
>>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>>
>>>It is a stupid question.
>>
>>Hardly.

The usual answer is beyond psychopathic - that the hypothetical God
makes those in the equally hypothetical heaven not have any kind of
human feelings any more so they won't feel any anguish for those they
loved for decades and are in the equally hypothetical hell.

>>>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>>understanding.
>>
>>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>gullible in line.
>
>Like I said, it is beyond you ability to understand.

Like you lied.

>>And the poster was just applying logic to what you morons threaten us
>>with, in the form of "assuming for the sake of argument".
>>
>>But then you already knew this and were being deliberately stupid.

Well?

>>> You question reminds me of one asked by my
>>>mother-in-law: "Do you think they will let me smoke in heaven?"
>>
>>She was just as gullible and stupid.
>>
>>>What do you think.
>>>And then next..........
>>>Who cares what you think?
>>
>>You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't post your mindless stupidity
>>in the atheist's newsgroup.
>
>Just following your lead, butt-wipe.

No, butt-wipe. I RESPONDED to your your intellectual dishonesty that I
saw in the atheist's newsgroup.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Lie noted.

>Alternate translation: you have no idea how vapid the question is to
>anyone who already rejects the underlying premises as absurd.

Which should be obvious even to him. All they need to do is substitute
something they find silly and ask themselves the new version. But a
mental block prevents them grasping that anybody could find their
beliefs silly.

>>That being the case, why not just shut up, yes?

This combination of arrogance, ignorance and inability to understand
the world beyond Christianity is why they get treated as idiots so
often.

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:8skph8lrvfds59ucj...@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:44 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote in news:jyczcyhykuan
>>$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net:
>>
>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>
>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers,
>>> but none of them really addressed the question.
>>>
>>
>>They won't, either. The best they can do is to make up stories, like
>>"god" makes you forget them.
>
>>My favorite is the "heavenly bodies" they get when they go to heaven.
>
> Not heavenly, but "glorified". Just like Jesus.

OK, glorified. What's the difference?

>
>> How
>>would they recognize their loved ones in a group of billions of new
>>bodies? Would these bodies represent the person in childhood,
>>puberty, young adult, middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?
>
> Glorified bodies.

But would these bodies represent the person in childhood,

puberty, young adult, middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?

I'll assume you have no answer, but I'm mostly concerned with recognizing
your family and friends in the afterlife. If I met you in our 70s and we
became friends (and I became religious), I wouldn't recognize you in a
20-something "glorified" body.

>
>>And what about all the sacred sperms that are flushed down the toilet,
>>and the eggs that exit a woman's body once a month? Do they get
>>names? Do they get one of those bodies? Or do they burn in hell for
>>not accepting jesus?
>
> No, they're not human life.

Then how could they be "sacred"?

>
>>Usually the Christian runs out of patience at this point and starts
>>attacking the messenger, informing you that it is a sin to question
>>your faith, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Stupid questions generally cause similar comments like that.
>

What to you are stupid questions are really the questions about the
inconsistencies in the church that you should be asking yourself.

Like this one.

How could an organization like the RCC lay claim to absolute morality and
at the same time attempt to cover up a plethora of sex crimes committed
by authorities within the organization?

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
The meaning of life is to find your gift.
The purpose of life is to give it away.

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:o2lph8pjpdr7ip3k5...@4ax.com:

>>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>gullible in line.
>
> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.

Exactly the opposite is true, since nobody can provide real-world evidence
that some "satan" exists. You're accepting the word of your priest(s)
without question, and without backing evidence in the real world. That's
gullible, duke.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

Read above. "Premise" has been replaced by "assumption."

>>That being the case, why not just shut up, yes?

.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

All you needed to do is to say that you have no response other than the
lame responses that have already been noted by the religionists.

But you chose to go beyond what was asked by declaring that the issue is
moot as afterlife doesn't exist, followed by your scanty opinion of
Aquinas.

[Ookin' 'n' Eekin']

The concept of eternity per se transcends the capability of my brain, and
and an eternity of torture (hell) completely locks down all the gray cells.

[Patrick]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:02:03 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:36:20 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
>><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>
>>>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>
>>>>It is a stupid question.
>>>
>>>Hardly.
>
>The usual answer is beyond psychopathic - that the hypothetical God
>makes those in the equally hypothetical heaven not have any kind of
>human feelings any more so they won't feel any anguish for those they
>loved for decades and are in the equally hypothetical hell.

Where can I find this "usual" answer?
Is it considered Church dogma or doctrine?
Or did someone just try to appease your stupid question with an
equally stupid answer?

>>>>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>>>understanding.
>>>
>>>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>>gullible in line.

>>>> You question reminds me of one asked by my
>>>>mother-in-law: "Do you think they will let me smoke in heaven?"
>>>
>>>She was just as gullible and stupid.
>>>
>>>>What do you think.
>>>>And then next..........
>>>>Who cares what you think?
>>>
>>>You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't post your mindless stupidity
>>>in the atheist's newsgroup.
>>
>>Just following your lead, butt-wipe.
>
>No, butt-wipe. I RESPONDED to your your intellectual dishonesty that I
>saw in the atheist's newsgroup.

You asked the stupid question.
Have you forgotten?
WHy did you expect an atheist to answer your stupid religious
question? Talk about loozer.......

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:46:15 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:02:03 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:36:20 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
>>><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a stupid question.
>>>>
>>>>Hardly.
>>
>>The usual answer is beyond psychopathic - that the hypothetical God
>>makes those in the equally hypothetical heaven not have any kind of
>>human feelings any more so they won't feel any anguish for those they
>>loved for decades and are in the equally hypothetical hell.
>
>Where can I find this "usual" answer?
>Is it considered Church dogma or doctrine?
>Or did someone just try to appease your stupid question with an
>equally stupid answer?

Why is the question stupid?

Inside the domain of discourse that is Christian mythology, it is
remarkably obvious.

[Smiler]

Both of them?

[Dakota]

Ask the same questions - get the same answers.

>
> But others, e.g., Joan Douglas, went off on a tangent saying that the
> question is moot because the two realms do not exist. She was one of those
> who failed to grasp my little game of pretend. You seem to fall into that
> category too.
>

JD didn't fail to grasp your little game of pretend. It's such a
common ploy here that many of us simply call bullshit when it shows up
again.

>
> Then, because I recognize that much Christian doctrine requires one to
> completely abandon reason in favor of blind belief, I asked whether the
> scholarly Xtian philosophers like Augustine, Ignatius, and Aquinas were
> motivated by some self-serving interest. Got some good input and a lot of
> irrelevant flak e.g., questioning whether these guys were scholarly in the
> 1st place.
>
> Hope this clarifies the essence of my questions.
>

Your clarification turned out to be the same or similar to what I've
heard throughout.

[Dakota]

Your admission that your gray cells are locked down helps us to
understand why you post your nonsense to an atheist newsgroup.

[duke]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:00:33 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:o2lph8pjpdr7ip3k5...@4ax.com:
>
>>>We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>>gullible in line.
>>
>> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.
>
>Exactly the opposite is true, since nobody can provide real-world evidence
>that some "satan" exists.

You'll find out for sure one moment after you die.

> You're accepting the word of your priest(s)
>without question, and without backing evidence in the real world. That's
>gullible, duke.

Gullible is not questioning why we are here. What miracle of God allows
creation and what is our purpose in it.

[duke]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:56:18 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:8skph8lrvfds59ucj...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:44 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote in news:jyczcyhykuan
>>>$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net:
>>>
>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>
>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers,
>>>> but none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>
>>>
>>>They won't, either. The best they can do is to make up stories, like
>>>"god" makes you forget them.
>>
>>>My favorite is the "heavenly bodies" they get when they go to heaven.
>>
>> Not heavenly, but "glorified". Just like Jesus.
>
>OK, glorified. What's the difference?

Human perfection.

>>> How
>>>would they recognize their loved ones in a group of billions of new
>>>bodies? Would these bodies represent the person in childhood,
>>>puberty, young adult, middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?

>> Glorified bodies.

>But would these bodies represent the person in childhood,
>puberty, young adult, middle age, advancing years, or waiting to die?

Aren't you simply equaling human needs and desires with the heavenly kingdom.
Whatever level of recognition comes compliments of the supreme creator that
willed the universe into existence.

>I'll assume you have no answer, but I'm mostly concerned with recognizing
>your family and friends in the afterlife. If I met you in our 70s and we
>became friends (and I became religious), I wouldn't recognize you in a
>20-something "glorified" body.

I don't see physical needs as an issue after we die.

>>>And what about all the sacred sperms that are flushed down the toilet,
>>>and the eggs that exit a woman's body once a month? Do they get
>>>names? Do they get one of those bodies? Or do they burn in hell for
>>>not accepting jesus?

>> No, they're not human life.
>Then how could they be "sacred"?

They are live tissue, not alive bodies. They have no soul.

>>>Usually the Christian runs out of patience at this point and starts
>>>attacking the messenger, informing you that it is a sin to question
>>>your faith, etc, etc, etc...
>> Stupid questions generally cause similar comments like that.

>What to you are stupid questions are really the questions about the
>inconsistencies in the church that you should be asking yourself.

You can't get past thinking like man rather than God.

>Like this one.

>How could an organization like the RCC lay claim to absolute morality and
>at the same time attempt to cover up a plethora of sex crimes committed
>by authorities within the organization?

Haahaahaa. Easy. The RCC is not absolute morality. Jesus alone never sinned,
so that leaves all of us on the opposite side.

[Patrick]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:06:38 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

It is remarkably obvious why it was a stupid question.
You don't believe in heaven, yet you ask about it.
Make up your mind.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:37:50 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>

No, liar.

It's simply asking the obvious questions about what you morons wipe in
our faces day in and day out.

Have you never head of applying logic to other people's claims?

Stop pretending.

It doesn't even fool yourself.

Oh, and have you learned who the Lord Chancellor is, and what
Halsbury's :aws of England is?

[Father Haskell]

On Feb 13, 10:08 am, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:

> In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <p...@poop.com> wrote:
>
> > How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> > Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> > none of them really addressed the question.
>

> I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
> things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you.  I.e. you're
> changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.

You misspelled "lobotomized."

[sbalneav]

In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>
>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>
>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>
>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>

> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
> the flesh. That's the standard way.

Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
that they wanted that end?

--
__ _ | When I got my library card, that's when my life began.
(_ |_) | -- Rita Mae Brown.
__)|_) |

[sbalneav]

<pedantic>
How does one lobotomize a non-existent soul?
</pedantic>

:D

--
__ _ | My two favorite things in life are libraries and bicycles.
(_ |_) | They both move people forward without wasting anything. The
__)|_) | perfect day: riding a bike to the library. -- Pete Golkin

[Brian E. Clark]

In article <kfm44k$4r2$3...@dont-email.me>,
sbal...@alburg.net says...

> <pedantic>
> How does one lobotomize a non-existent soul?
> </pedantic>

With a spirit level?

--
-----------
Brian E. Clark

[sbalneav]

In alt.atheism Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
> In article <kfm44k$4r2$3...@dont-email.me>,
> sbal...@alburg.net says...
>
>> <pedantic>
>> How does one lobotomize a non-existent soul?
>> </pedantic>
>
> With a spirit level?

Lets hammer out another pun cascade.

--
__ _ | Nothing is enough for the man to whom enough is too little.
(_ |_) | -- Epicurus, 341-270 BCE
__)|_) |

[duke]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>
>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>>
>>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>>
>> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
>> the flesh. That's the standard way.

>Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
>that they wanted that end?

God's standard is that we love one another as he loved us. You don't have to be
a Christian to love. But we do have a heads up.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************

Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[duke]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:03:24 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' wrote:
>
>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>
>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>> none of them really addressed the question.

>The obvious (and contrived) answer is that the love we experience on Earth
>is flawed and imperfect compared to the Perfect Love we will experience
>in Heaven, so, basically, those whom we currently hold to be loved ones
>won't be so loved anymore, once we find out what Real Love is!

There is no way that human love can match God's love. But if you can't even
demonstrate human love, you're not ready for God's love.

>A much better question, that REALLY stumps the theists, is "What crime
>could a human possibly commit that would warrant eternal torture, with no
>chance of reprieve, as an appropriate punishment?",

Rejection of God and his teachings. If you cant' offer human love, you can't
receive God's love and you show by life in the flesh that you don't care. Things
like abortions, and murder, and refusing to help the needy, etc.

> followed by, "Do you
>think that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be such a crime?"

Absolutely yep, it's the one "type" of sin that absolutely will keep you out of
the heavenly kingdom unless repented of and sought forgiveness and absolution
while still on this earth. For once you die, all decision making is gone.

" If
>they say, "No", point them to Matthew 12:31-32. If they say, "Yes", ask
>them how they could worship such a monster.

This life is your time of trial and acceptance of God. Use it wisely.

[Father Haskell]

On Feb 15, 7:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> They are live tissue, not alive bodies.  They have no soul.

The jews believe they do. Part of the kosher slaughter
ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.

[Father Haskell]

On Feb 13, 6:47 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <o4hnh81adc5gm2lal4ligqth3kcs051...@4ax.com>,
>
>  raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <p...@poop.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > >How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>

> > "B.C." cartoonist and psychotic Christian loon Johnny Hart once
> > answered that question in an interview by saying that while he
> > realized his deceased mother (a non-Fundamentalist - the horror! The
> > horror!) was in Hell, God would make him forget all about her when he
> > got to Heaven, so his own eternal happiness wouldn't be spoiled. I am
> > not joking. I wish I were.
>
> That is truly sick.

It's a wonder he didn't push her into traffic while saying "praise,
jesus!"

[sbalneav]

In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>
>>>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>>>
>>> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
>>> the flesh. That's the standard way.
>
>>Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
>>that they wanted that end?
>
> God's standard is that we love one another as he loved us. You don't have to be
> a Christian to love. But we do have a heads up.

Please provide some biblical support for this assertion that people who aren't
Christians can get into heaven.

--
__ _ | Everything existing in the universe
(_ |_) | is the fruit of chance and necessity.
__)|_) | -- Democritus

[Brian E. Clark]

In article <jyczcyhykuan$.1fm9vh97...@40tude.net>,
po...@poop.com says...

> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?

You should present the question to Fundamentalist
Christians. After all, this state of affairs already exists
for them. For such Christians, nine-tenths of the people
they see and meet are by definition hell-bound, including a
majority of coworkers and friends and blood relations.

[Patrick]

Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>O, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>>wrote:

>>>>>>>>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>>>>>none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is a stupid question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hardly.
>>>>>
>>>>>The usual answer is beyond psychopathic - that the hypothetical God
>>>>>makes those in the equally hypothetical heaven not have any kind of
>>>>>human feelings any more so they won't feel any anguish for those they
>>>>>loved for decades and are in the equally hypothetical hell.
>>>>
>>>>Where can I find this "usual" answer?
>>>>Is it considered Church dogma or doctrine?
>>>>Or did someone just try to appease your stupid question with an
>>>>equally stupid answer?
>>>
>>>Why is the question stupid?
>>>Inside the domain of discourse that is Christian mythology, it is
>>>remarkably obvious.
>>
>>It is remarkably obvious why it was a stupid question.
>>You don't believe in heaven, yet you ask about it.
>>Make up your mind.
>
>No, liar.
>It's simply asking the obvious questions about what you morons wipe in
>our faces day in and day out.

If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
You know what we will say about our faith.
We have Faith. You do not.
How stupid are you?

>Have you never head of applying logic to other people's claims?
>Stop pretending.
>It doesn't even fool yourself.

Stop asking stupid questions.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:56:53 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote:

Nothing to do with "not liking the answer", liar.

Everything to do with you sociopaths wiping your bullshit in our
faces.

But then you already knew that and were just being dishonest. As
usual.

>You know what we will say about our faith.
>We have Faith. You do not.

Faith - a worthless excuse.

>How stupid are you?

Not so stupid that I wipe it in everybody else's face, imbecile.

>
>>Have you never head of applying logic to other people's claims?
>>Stop pretending.
>>It doesn't even fool yourself.
>
>Stop asking stupid questions.

What was stupid about them, imbecile?

Keep your bullshit to yourselves and nobody will even give it a
thought.

[duke]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>>>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>>>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
>>>> the flesh. That's the standard way.
>>
>>>Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
>>>that they wanted that end?
>>
>> God's standard is that we love one another as he loved us. You don't have to be
>> a Christian to love. But we do have a heads up.
>
>Please provide some biblical support for this assertion that people who aren't
>Christians can get into heaven.

Where it says that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, the thief on the cross
and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
didn't come until after the cross.

[duke]

An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************

Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[Budikka666]

Here's another conundrum: do you even have the slightest concept of
eternity? Do you understand the first thing about what it would mean
to be under your barbaric, schizophrenic, psychpathic, child-abusing,
misogynistic god's heel for eternity, forced to praise that scum?
That, to me, is real hell.

That's why, even if you hypocritical, lying, cowardly, vacuous, loser,
Christian bastards are right, I flat refuse to spend any time with
that lowlife scum of a god of yours. And you can tell him that form
me if he ever turned out to be real.

Budikka

[Father Haskell]

On Feb 16, 12:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:29:49 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 7:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> They are live tissue, not alive bodies.  They have no soul.
> >The jews believe they do.  Part of the kosher slaughter
> >ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.
>
> An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.

Which would surprise any researcher who works with
tissue or skin cultures.

[Father Haskell]

On Feb 14, 7:11 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:11:32 -0800, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:28:21 -0500, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com>
> >wrote:
>

> >>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:22:48 -0500, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <p...@poop.com>

> >>wrote:
>
> >>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> >>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> >>>none of them really addressed the question.
>

> >>It is a stupid question.
>
> >Hardly.
>

> >>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
> >>understanding.

>
> >We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
> >gullible in line.
>
> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.

There'd be no christians without him. You should thank the
nice chap.

[W.T.S.]

In article <55acebf4-bedf-46b0-baad-145c70c805a4
@x15g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, father...@yahoo.com says...

Good point. You need both a carrot and sick to complete the con game.
No "Satan", no need for the Church. It'd be tough (but possible) to
have the Church if there was no claim of Satan.
On the other hand, if you had "Satan", and no "God", I doubt if you
could find a way around it to work your scam.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
http://tinyurl.com/43hp62x

[Patrick]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 05:06:13 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

Ahhhhhhhhh... so you wipe it in other's faces.....
and then you claim we wipe it in yours?
What a loozer.
ba-bye..

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:22:25 -0500, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com>

Where did I say that, pathological liar?

>and then you claim we wipe it in yours?
>What a loozer.
>ba-bye..

Get help for your mental illness.

Seriously.

[duke]

No, it wouldn't. A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to school, get
married, raise a family or get a job, etc.

[duke]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:09:06 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>> >>>Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>> >>>none of them really addressed the question.
>> >>It is a stupid question.

>> >Hardly.

>> >>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>> >>understanding.
>> >We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>> >gullible in line.
>> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.

>There'd be no christians without him. You should thank the
>nice chap.

No, there'd be no way to keep the flames going without atheist wannabes.

[sbalneav]

In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>>>>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>>>>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
>>>>> the flesh. That's the standard way.
>>>
>>>>Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
>>>>that they wanted that end?
>>>
>>> God's standard is that we love one another as he loved us. You don't have to be
>>> a Christian to love. But we do have a heads up.
>>
>>Please provide some biblical support for this assertion that people who aren't
>>Christians can get into heaven.
>
> Where it says that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah,

Jews and firm believers in YHWH.

> the thief on the cross

Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.

> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
> didn't come until after the cross.

Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6? Does the Dalai
Lama get to go to heaven? Ghandi?

--
__ _ | The dissemination of knowledge is one of the
(_ |_) | cornerstones of civilization.
__)|_) | -- John F. Budd

[Dakota]

Ducky's favorite Bible, the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition, says
this about the thief.

Luke 23:43

And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with
me in paradise.
------
If Jesus went to Heaven the day he died, the Catholic doctrine that he
'descended into hell and on the third day rose again' is totally bogus.

[sbalneav]

INCONSISTENCIES IN THE CATHOLIC FAITH?!?! SAY IT AIN'T SO!

--
__ _ | If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would
(_ |_) | quickly have perished: for they are forever praying for
__)|_) | evil against one another. -- Epicurus, 341-270 BCE

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:mak1i8dlm9ge0p9iq...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:07:08 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 16, 12:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:29:49 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>>>
>>> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >On Feb 15, 7:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> They are live tissue, not alive bodies.  They have no soul.
>>> >The jews believe they do.  Part of the kosher slaughter
>>> >ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.
>>>
>>> An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.
>>
>>Which would surprise any researcher who works with
>>tissue or skin cultures.
>
> No, it wouldn't. A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.
>

I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
electricity.

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
The meaning of life is to find your gift.
The purpose of life is to give it away.

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:ggk1i891s3mj5os4q...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:09:06 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> >>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in
>>> >>>hell? Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various
>>> >>>answers, but none of them really addressed the question.
>>> >>It is a stupid question.
>
>>> >Hardly.
>
>>> >>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>> >>understanding.
>>> >We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>> >gullible in line.
>>> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.
>
>>There'd be no christians without him. You should thank the
>>nice chap.
>
> No, there'd be no way to keep the flames going without atheist
> wannabes.
>

Or immoral catholics.

[duke]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:05:26 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:mak1i8dlm9ge0p9iq...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:07:08 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 16, 12:51�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:29:49 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>>>>
>>>> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >On Feb 15, 7:17�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> They are live tissue, not alive bodies. �They have no soul.
>>>> >The jews believe they do. �Part of the kosher slaughter
>>>> >ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.
>>>>
>>>> An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.
>>>
>>>Which would surprise any researcher who works with
>>>tissue or skin cultures.
>>
>> No, it wouldn't. A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
>> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.

>I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
>electricity.

Why do all humankind reflect a desire for love over hate, right over wrong, good
over bad. That is a gift of the human soul.

[duke]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:07:10 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:ggk1i891s3mj5os4q...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:09:06 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >>>How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in
>>>> >>>hell? Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various
>>>> >>>answers, but none of them really addressed the question.
>>>> >>It is a stupid question.
>>
>>>> >Hardly.
>>
>>>> >>You fail to realize that heaven is a concept beyond your
>>>> >>understanding.
>>>> >We know perfectly well what it is, imbecile - a fantasy to keep the
>>>> >gullible in line.
>>>> The gullible are the ones that listened to satan instead.
>>
>>>There'd be no christians without him. You should thank the
>>>nice chap.
>>
>> No, there'd be no way to keep the flames going without atheist
>> wannabes.

>Or immoral catholics.

Immoral is immoral.

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:ljl2i85tkce7ecnb1...@4ax.com:

>>> A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
>>> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.
>
>>I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
>>electricity.
>
> Why do all humankind reflect a desire for love over hate, right over
> wrong, good over bad.

A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect, as a
god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.

Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will counter
that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion shit dressed
for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is anti-god. Oh, am I
getting too far ahead?

> That is a gift of the human soul.
>

Does a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder (split-personality) have
two (or more) souls, then?

(The Mysterious Ways Symphony Orchestra awaits their downbeat...)

[Dakota]

On 2/17/2013 9:58 PM, Uncle Vic wrote:
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:ljl2i85tkce7ecnb1...@4ax.com:
>>>> A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
>>>> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.
>>
>>> I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
>>> electricity.
>>
>> Why do all humankind reflect a desire for love over hate, right over
>> wrong, good over bad.
>
> A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect, as a
> god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>
> Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will counter
> that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion shit dressed
> for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is anti-god. Oh, am I
> getting too far ahead?
>
>> That is a gift of the human soul.
>>
>
> Does a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder (split-personality) have
> two (or more) souls, then?
>
> (The Mysterious Ways Symphony Orchestra awaits their downbeat...)
>

Very insightful post, Vic. Too bad it's wasted on the idiot duke.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 16 Feb, 17:51, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:29:49 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 7:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> They are live tissue, not alive bodies.  They have no soul.
> >The jews believe they do.  Part of the kosher slaughter
> >ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.
>
> An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.

So your skin isn't alive, eh?

Does that mean your fat isn't alive?

Does that mean your blood isn't alive?

Does that mean your muscle isn't alive?

The list of not alive, could go on.

[duke]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:05:50 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In alt.atheism Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <po...@poop.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
>>>>>>>> none of them really addressed the question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I believe the standard answer is that you are somehow "transfigured" so that
>>>>>>>things like eternity, loved ones in hell, etc. don't bother you. I.e. you're
>>>>>>>changed somehow so that you're not you anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer accepting that (s)he wanted that end as demonstrated in his(er) life in
>>>>>> the flesh. That's the standard way.
>>>>
>>>>>Tell me, do Hindu children who die before they hear "The Good News" demonstrate
>>>>>that they wanted that end?
>>>>
>>>> God's standard is that we love one another as he loved us. You don't have to be
>>>> a Christian to love. But we do have a heads up.
>>>
>>>Please provide some biblical support for this assertion that people who aren't
>>>Christians can get into heaven.

>> Where it says that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah,

>Jews and firm believers in YHWH.

But not Jesus Christ.

>> the thief on the cross
>Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.

Jesus was a man on the cross. But it is nice to see you finally beginning to
accept the divinity of Jesus.

>> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
>> didn't come until after the cross.

>Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6? Does the Dalai
>Lama get to go to heaven? Ghandi?

Jesus is very much the ONLY way to the Father. That statement does NOT say one
must be a Christian or believe in Jesus, but that Jesus is the only way to the
Father.

So I can clearly advise the possibility of non Christians accepted into heaven.
Jesus said "follow me in love and obedience to the Father and love and serve our
fellow man", he never said you must believe in me first.

[duke]

Actually, I've never seen that bible, but the beautiful part is that all valid
bibles say the same thing although they may be in different languages and
individual verses may be reworded without change in truth.

>Luke 23:43
>And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with
>me in paradise.

>------
>If Jesus went to Heaven the day he died, the Catholic doctrine that he
>'descended into hell and on the third day rose again' is totally bogus.

D-boy, you are sad. When one dies, there is no longer a 24-hour earth day to
contend with. The thief never knew the difference. Further, scripture well
states that one day is like a thousand years to God.

>> Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.
>>
>>> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
>>> didn't come until after the cross.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6? Does the Dalai
>> Lama get to go to heaven? Ghandi?
>>

[duke]

IT AIN'T SO!!!

Heeheehee, some of you atheist wannabes, thankfully, offer some really
worthwhile items calling for discussion and correction. Most protest_ants are
clueless as to what the NT says.

So thank you.

[duke]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:58:28 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:ljl2i85tkce7ecnb1...@4ax.com:
>>>> A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
>>>> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.
>>
>>>I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
>>>electricity.
>>
>> Why do all humankind reflect a desire for love over hate, right over
>> wrong, good over bad.

>A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect, as a
>god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.

Preborn babies, infants and youth don't know that. We possess those qualities
because of our human soul. No dog or cow or mosquito understands such things.

>Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will counter
>that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion shit dressed
>for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is anti-god. Oh, am I
>getting too far ahead?

Of course God gave us a free choice. And it's our soul that leads us to follow
God toward love, good, right. It's only when man desires to turn another way,
usually for his advantage, that he actually turns against his soul.

But in any case, it's HIS CHOICE to turn away.

>
>> That is a gift of the human soul.
>>
>
>Does a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder (split-personality) have
>two (or more) souls, then?
>
>(The Mysterious Ways Symphony Orchestra awaits their downbeat...)

[duke]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:40:13 -0600, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/17/2013 9:58 PM, Uncle Vic wrote:
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:ljl2i85tkce7ecnb1...@4ax.com:
>>>>> A skin culture will never possess a soul, go to
>>>>> school, get married, raise a family or get a job, etc.
>>>
>>>> I don't believe a man has a "soul" either. It's all chemistry and
>>>> electricity.
>>>
>>> Why do all humankind reflect a desire for love over hate, right over
>>> wrong, good over bad.
>>
>> A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect, as a
>> god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>>
>> Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will counter
>> that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion shit dressed
>> for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is anti-god. Oh, am I
>> getting too far ahead?
>>
>>> That is a gift of the human soul.

>> Does a person with Dissociative Identity Disorder (split-personality) have
>> two (or more) souls, then?

No, only one. His mental condition is beyond his control and is not actively
pursuing his condition.

>> (The Mysterious Ways Symphony Orchestra awaits their downbeat...)

>Very insightful post, Vic. Too bad it's wasted on the idiot duke.

Vic bit the bullet on this one.

[duke]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:11:15 -0800 (PST), Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 16 Feb, 17:51, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:29:49 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>>
>> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 15, 7:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> They are live tissue, not alive bodies.  They have no soul.
>> >The jews believe they do.  Part of the kosher slaughter
>> >ritual involves saying a prayer for the animal's soul.
>>
>> An animal is "alive" unlike a piece of skin.
>
>So your skin isn't alive, eh?

That's correct. It is cellular live, but it will never grow up to go to school

>Does that mean your fat isn't alive?

Nope.

>Does that mean your blood isn't alive?

Nope.

>Does that mean your muscle isn't alive?

Nope.

>The list of not alive, could go on.

And always a nope.

[alen]

On Feb 14, 1:22 am, Ookin' 'n' Eekin' <p...@poop.com> wrote:
> How can one be happy in heaven knowing that a loved one is in hell?
>
> Have heard Christian clergy of all stripes furnish various answers, but
> none of them really addressed the question.

I will comment, but I don't know whether or not it
will serve as 'addressing the question'.

Hell is a self-inflicted tragedy, which is not a spectacle
that causes happiness in anyone in heaven. But I think
that the nature of hell is generally not well understood.

I understand that hell is a natural consequence and not
some kind of judicial sentence, like that which is handed
out by a judge in our courts. It results automatically from
a violation or contradiction of the eternal divine order written
into life. It is like someone walking along a cliff top. The
true order, to remain safe, is to stay away from the cliff
edge. To violate this order by walking off the edge is to
fall and be broken on the rocks below. Similarly, to violate
the eternal divine order is to fall into some awful destination
(hell) in the spirit world. What keeps a person in hell is
not a positive external 'sentence', but the person's own
evil will, to which they are consigned and abandoned
forever. And the problem then is that they don't know how
to change their will, since they have made themselves to
be spiritually obstinate, powerless, ignorant, and destitute.
I don't know that the will is absolutely unchangeable, but a
change might take an eternity for such a being to achieve.

There is nothing anyone in heaven can do to change any
of this, since the free will of one person cannot be changed
by anyone else.

Alen

[sbalneav]

Do you dispute that Jews think they go to heaven?

>>> the thief on the cross
>>Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.
>
> Jesus was a man on the cross. But it is nice to see you finally beginning to
> accept the divinity of Jesus.

Please note the "according to the bible" on the end of my phrase. I don't
accept any of the supernatural claims of that book.

>>> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
>>> didn't come until after the cross.
>
>>Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6? Does the Dalai
>>Lama get to go to heaven? Ghandi?
>
> Jesus is very much the ONLY way to the Father. That statement does NOT say one
> must be a Christian or believe in Jesus, but that Jesus is the only way to the
> Father.

So, please explain what that means. If Jesus is the only way to the father,
how does, say, a hindu, who definitely DOES NOT believe in Jesus, get to
heaven.

Be specific, please.

--
__ _ | Grass is the forgiveness of nature - her constant
(_ |_) | benediction. Forests decay, harvests perish, flowers
__)|_) | vanish, but grass is immortal. -- Brian Ingalls

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:n6b4i89kj206df1u9...@4ax.com:

>>A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect,
>>as a god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>
> Preborn babies, infants and youth don't know that. We possess those
> qualities because of our human soul. No dog or cow or mosquito
> understands such things.
>
>>Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will
>>counter that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion
>>shit dressed for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is
>>anti-god. Oh, am I getting too far ahead?
>
> Of course God gave us a free choice. And it's our soul that leads us
> to follow God toward love, good, right. It's only when man desires to
> turn another way, usually for his advantage, that he actually turns
> against his soul.
>
> But in any case, it's HIS CHOICE to turn away.

All of which means nothing to someone who doesn't believe what you believe.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:56:17 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:n6b4i89kj206df1u9...@4ax.com:
>
>>>A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect,
>>>as a god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>>
>> Preborn babies, infants and youth don't know that. We possess those
>> qualities because of our human soul. No dog or cow or mosquito
>> understands such things.
>>
>>>Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will
>>>counter that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion
>>>shit dressed for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is
>>>anti-god. Oh, am I getting too far ahead?
>>
>> Of course God gave us a free choice. And it's our soul that leads us
>> to follow God toward love, good, right. It's only when man desires to
>> turn another way, usually for his advantage, that he actually turns
>> against his soul.
>>
>> But in any case, it's HIS CHOICE to turn away.
>
>All of which means nothing to someone who doesn't believe what you believe.

Worse than that, he's lying about and to those who don't believe.

[duke]

YHWH is not a reference to the heavenly kingdom.

“Sadducees say there is neither resurrection nor angel nor spirit, but the
Pharisees publicly declare them all.” (Acts 23:8, NW) Their disbelief in the
resurrection is familiar to all by reason of their trying to stump Jesus in the
matter of the woman who had seven husbands.—Matt. 22:23-32.

>>>> the thief on the cross
>>>Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.

>> Jesus was a man on the cross. But it is nice to see you finally beginning to
>> accept the divinity of Jesus.

>Please note the "according to the bible" on the end of my phrase. I don't
>accept any of the supernatural claims of that book.

I said "man on a cross". You change it to "supernatural".

>>>> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were. None were Christ_ians which
>>>> didn't come until after the cross.

>>>Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6? Does the Dalai
>>>Lama get to go to heaven? Ghandi?

>> Jesus is very much the ONLY way to the Father. That statement does NOT say one
>> must be a Christian or believe in Jesus, but that Jesus is the only way to the
>> Father.

>So, please explain what that means. If Jesus is the only way to the father,
>how does, say, a hindu, who definitely DOES NOT believe in Jesus, get to
>heaven.

Scripture does NOT we must say "believe in Jesus". Scripture says we must
repent of our sins, pick up our own cross, and FOLLOW Jesus. His directions for
new life call for a) love and obedience to the Father and b) love and service to
our fellow man in need.

Now, needless to say that Jesus is the one that brought us the requirement for
such love and demonstrated it himself as the way of salvation. Needless to say
further that mean Christians have a heads up on the requirement, but salvation
is not limited to Christians.

[duke]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:56:17 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:n6b4i89kj206df1u9...@4ax.com:
>
>>>A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from perfect,
>>>as a god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>>
>> Preborn babies, infants and youth don't know that. We possess those
>> qualities because of our human soul. No dog or cow or mosquito
>> understands such things.
>>
>>>Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will
>>>counter that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that anti-abortion
>>>shit dressed for Mass you've been spreading like peanut butter is
>>>anti-god. Oh, am I getting too far ahead?
>>
>> Of course God gave us a free choice. And it's our soul that leads us
>> to follow God toward love, good, right. It's only when man desires to
>> turn another way, usually for his advantage, that he actually turns
>> against his soul.
>>
>> But in any case, it's HIS CHOICE to turn away.
>
>All of which means nothing to someone who doesn't believe what you believe.

And because you don't believe as I and Christiand do and thus don't practice
such ways, you are not only unprepared, but actually refuse to participate with
Christians in the next life. You will be constrained to that group that acts
and believes like you do. That particular group is headed up by satan.

[duke]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:43:05 -0800, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
wrote:

Actually, I'm not lying. If you don't believe, nah...............follow Jesus,
then your eternal demise is to your account. Of course, the key question is
"why would one turn away from love and good and helping others"? God's
specific call is for us to do these things, and you say "no". Weird.

[Mr. Brian Batty, O.P.]

On Feb 17, 9:41 am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/17/2013 8:05 AM, sbalneav wrote:
>
>
>

> > In alt.atheism duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> >>> In alt.atheism duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:58:26 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> In alt.atheism duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:08:39 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:

God can't be in two places at once?

>
>
> > Granted special dispensation by Jesus, IN PERSON, according to the bible.
>
> >> and all those waiting in Abraham's bosom were.  None were Christ_ians which
> >> didn't come until after the cross.
>
> > Perhaps you could give us your interpretation of John 14:6?  Does the Dalai

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[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kov6i8dehec106n39...@4ax.com>,

Then I'm all good.

My best friend, who is a devout Christian, tells people that I'm a
better Christian than most Christians she knows. The only difference is
that I don't believe in any god.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[duke]

>> If Jesus went to Heaven the day he died, the Catholic doctrine that he
>> 'descended into hell and on the third day rose again' is totally bogus.

>God can't be in two places at once?

Doesn't have to.

[duke]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:03:03 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>> Scripture does NOT we must say "believe in Jesus". Scripture says we must
>> repent of our sins, pick up our own cross, and FOLLOW Jesus. His directions
>> for
>> new life call for a) love and obedience to the Father and b) love and service
>> to
>> our fellow man in need.
>>
>> Now, needless to say that Jesus is the one that brought us the requirement
>> for
>> such love and demonstrated it himself as the way of salvation. Needless to
>> say
>> further that mean Christians have a heads up on the requirement, but
>> salvation
>> is not limited to Christians.
>
>Then I'm all good.

>My best friend, who is a devout Christian, tells people that I'm a
>better Christian than most Christians she knows. The only difference is
>that I don't believe in any god.

Only one problem. God alone gets to vote.

[Uncle Vic]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:5907i81k02ocv69ln...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:56:17 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>news:n6b4i89kj206df1u9...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>>A few hundred thousand years of practice. And it's far from
>>>>perfect, as a god it seems would create his prime ...uh... creation.
>>>
>>> Preborn babies, infants and youth don't know that. We possess those
>>> qualities because of our human soul. No dog or cow or mosquito
>>> understands such things.
>>>
>>>>Which you'll counter with the Freewill argument, for which I will
>>>>counter that your god is pro-choice, then, and all that
>>>>anti-abortion shit dressed for Mass you've been spreading like
>>>>peanut butter is anti-god. Oh, am I getting too far ahead?
>>>
>>> Of course God gave us a free choice. And it's our soul that leads
>>> us to follow God toward love, good, right. It's only when man
>>> desires to turn another way, usually for his advantage, that he
>>> actually turns against his soul.
>>>
>>> But in any case, it's HIS CHOICE to turn away.
>>
>>All of which means nothing to someone who doesn't believe what you
>>believe.
>
> And because you don't believe as I and Christiand do and thus don't
> practice such ways, you are not only unprepared, but actually refuse
> to participate with Christians in the next life.

Invalid. You have not shown any evidence for any "next life".

> You will be
> constrained to that group that acts and believes like you do.

See above.

> That
> particular group is headed up by satan.

See above.