Pope Francis: Atheists are all right!

[J]

I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
the haters both of the Church and atheists.








http://www.salon.com/2013/05/23/pope_francis_atheists_are_all_right/singleton/








It likely doesn’t matter much to the atheists of the world that — of
all people — Pope Francis is on their side. But he is. And that’s a
cool thing for all of us.

In a message delivered Wednesday via Vatican Radio, the new pontiff
distinguished himself with a call for tolerance and a message of
support – and even admiration – toward nonbelievers.

Naturally, a guy whose job it is to lead the world’s largest Christian
faith is still going to come at his flock with a Jesus-centric
message. But he’s taking it in an encouraging new direction. In his
message, Francis dissed the apostles for being “a little intolerant”
and said, “All of us have this commandment at heart: Do good and do
not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not (a) Catholic! He
cannot do good.’ Yes, he can. He must. Not can: must.”

And the pope spoke of the need to meet each other somewhere on our on
common ground. “This commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is
a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we
do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly,
gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: We
need that so much. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But
do good: we will meet one another there.” It was a deeper affirmation
of his comments back in March, when he declared that the faithful and
atheists can be “precious allies… to defend the dignity of man, in the
building of a peaceful coexistence between peoples and in the careful
protection of creation.”












J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

Honesty. Decency. Integrity

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>
>
>
>

It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.

Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.

So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
just fine on our own?

Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306

[J]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>
>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.

I know, I am one of them.

>
>So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>just fine on our own?
>

Who know why people believe whatever it is they choose to believe. A
diiference of matters of such shouldn't be a barrier to find the
common goal of making the world a better place. The pontiff has
reached out his hand in friendship, atheists should accept that hand.
No one in this incidence is being asked to change their beliefs

[ala...@hotmail.co.uk]

On May 26, 12:00 pm, Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Dookie is awfully quiet on this subject. Nary a "hee hee hee" to be
seen or heard.

I wonder how long before this new pope gets some digitalis or
botulinum served up in his strawberries and cream?

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>the haters both of the Church and atheists.

And then the Vatican Spin Control says we're still going to hell.

The RCC has lost control.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[•RLMeasures]

In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>, J

<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the

> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. ...

ААА What morals and decency? These are the miscreants who abetted
pedophile priests for at least 8 decades Mr. Young.

[J]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:29:12 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>, J
><jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. ...
>

>€€€ What morals and decency? These are the miscreants who abetted

>pedophile priests for at least 8 decades Mr. Young.

Therefor it is they who don't practice what they preach. It doesn't
make their message that people should learn to help each other,
especially the down-trodden who need help the most, any less valid. It
only makes themselves look bad in the eyes of the public

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:12:14 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>>
>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
>
>
>I know, I am one of them.

If you're an atheist, why do you care what the pope says or does
concerning atheists?

Additionally, morals and decency are not espoused by the RCC's
practices... which makes their teachings suspect.

>
>
>
>
>>
>>So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>>supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>>just fine on our own?
>>
>
>
>Who know why people believe whatever it is they choose to believe. A
>diiference of matters of such shouldn't be a barrier to find the
>common goal of making the world a better place. The pontiff has
>reached out his hand in friendship, atheists should accept that hand.
>No one in this incidence is being asked to change their beliefs
>

There is absolutely no evidence that the RCC has any intention of
making the world a better place. It has too much vested in mystery and
control and power and money.

The pontiff is responsible for keeping birth control out of the hands
of those that need it; for continuing to work against abortion; for
working against stem cell research; for keeping women as second-class
citizens in the church hierarchy. Any single one of those reasons is
enough to ignore the hand.

The proof will be in the end, anyway. If religious believers are
correct, then we'll get judged according to our actions. If they're
not correct, then doing good things while you're alive is the only
thing that counts.

Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
> instead of adversaries.

Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>> instead of adversaries.
>
>
>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.

Do those "morals and decency" espoused by the RCC's "teachings"
include the serial abuse of children?

[Dakota]

On 5/25/2013 9:12 PM, J wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>> instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>> the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>
>> It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>>
>> Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>> morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
> I know, I am one of them.
>

It's long past time for fake-atheist J to stop telling that lie. He's
not fooling anyone. Atheists don't refer to the Pope as His Holiness.
Atheists don't post articles written by Bill Donohue except as
examples of hypocrisy.

If vile J's record here is an example of his behavior elsewhere, he's
never done a good thing or acted morally in his life.

>
>>
>> So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>> supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>> just fine on our own?
>
> Who know why people believe whatever it is they choose to believe. A
> diiference of matters of such shouldn't be a barrier to find the
> common goal of making the world a better place. The pontiff has
> reached out his hand in friendship, atheists should accept that hand.
> No one in this incidence is being asked to change their beliefs
>

But fake-atheist Catholic-loving J felt a need to lie about his once
again.
>
> J Young
> jdyo...@ymail.com
>
<false attributes snipped>
>

[Dakota]

As soon as he tries to crack down on those who conceal pedopriest
crimes, he's a goner.

[Dakota]

On 5/25/2013 10:44 PM, J wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:29:12 -0700, r...@somis.org (�RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>> In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>, J
>> <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. ...
>>

>> ��� What morals and decency? These are the miscreants who abetted

>> pedophile priests for at least 8 decades Mr. Young.
>
>
>
> Therefor it is they who don't practice what they preach. It doesn't
> make their message that people should learn to help each other,
> especially the down-trodden who need help the most, any less valid. It
> only makes themselves look bad in the eyes of the public
>

Yet fake-atheist J consistently refers to the pope as His Holiness
when he knows damned well that popes are pedophile protecting hypocrites.

[Dakota]

Or the protection of the sick pedopriests who rape the kids?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <cl03q8da679r9080o...@4ax.com>, J

• One issue is street cred. Any church that knowingly allowed altar-boy
sodomy to go on and on for so long is not likely to be "God's Holy
Church". Another issue is virulent antisemitism prior to 1964. The
laugher is that after 431 Jesus' mother was claimed to be the "Mother of
God" -- yet there is no evidence that she ever converted from Judism to
Roman Catholicism.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <8bf3q892m4bhc22hm...@4ax.com>, Christopher A.

*** chortle.

[•RLMeasures]

АА ... not if he steers clear of the strawberries 'n' whipcream D.
However, it seems there will never be a papal crackdown since popes had to
have been complicit in the bishop's coverup.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <knshe2$dr$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/25/2013 10:44 PM, J wrote:

> > On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:29:12 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>, J
> >> <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> >>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. ...
> >>

> >> €€€ What morals and decency? These are the miscreants who abetted

> >> pedophile priests for at least 8 decades Mr. Young.
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefor it is they who don't practice what they preach. It doesn't
> > make their message that people should learn to help each other,
> > especially the down-trodden who need help the most, any less valid. It
> > only makes themselves look bad in the eyes of the public
> >
> Yet fake-atheist J consistently refers to the pope as His Holiness
> when he knows damned well that popes are pedophile protecting hypocrites.

€€ However, for someone who does not understand that the RCC has a
pyramidal command structure with only one guy at top, they could possibly
be duped.

[default]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>the haters both of the Church and atheists.

That's where all you bible pounders go wrong. Buying into the concept
that without religion there would be no morality - that simply is not
the case. Without religion, morality has a better chance if anything.


--

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.

>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.

>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.

But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
known this.

>So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>just fine on our own?

See, you're still confused. You don't know the difference between God and
Church.

Stick with me. You can learn a lot.

>Cheers,
>Dreamer
>AA 2306

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:27:35 -0400, Dreamer In Colore

<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:12:14 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>>>
>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>
>>
>>
>>I know, I am one of them.
>
>If you're an atheist, why do you care what the pope says or does
>concerning atheists?
>
>Additionally, morals and decency are not espoused by the RCC's
>practices... which makes their teachings suspect.

Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
now.

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:13:38 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>On May 26, 12:00 pm, Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> >morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>> >have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>> >instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>> >the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>
>> It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>>
>> Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>> morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>
>> So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>> supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>> just fine on our own?
>
>Dookie is awfully quiet on this subject. Nary a "hee hee hee" to be
>seen or heard.

Why..............I just saw this thread for the first time, about 5 minutes ago.

>I wonder how long before this new pope gets some digitalis or
>botulinum served up in his strawberries and cream?

Pope Francis simply reiterated the same position of the RCC for the last 2000
years, gobbler. Heeheehee.

[duke]

The RCC does't make that decision. All the RCC can do is help you follow God.
And by virtue of your comment, it's clear you never understood.

> The RCC has lost control.
>Warlord Steve
>BAAWA

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:48:03 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:27:35 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 19:12:14 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>>>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>>>>
>>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I know, I am one of them.
>>
>>If you're an atheist, why do you care what the pope says or does
>>concerning atheists?
>>
>>Additionally, morals and decency are not espoused by the RCC's
>>practices... which makes their teachings suspect.
>
>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>now.
>

Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

You yourself don't follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. You're not
full of the milk of human kindness. You're full of nothing but your
own puffed-up self-importance.

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>> instead of adversaries.

>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.

The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:45:55 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>>>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>
>>It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>
>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>known this.
>

'

Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
good things because they're good.

I don't need to lead a catholic life to do good things... and if you
do good things only because you're afraid of going to hell, then
you're an asshole.

>>So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
>>supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
>>just fine on our own?
>
>See, you're still confused. You don't know the difference between God and
>Church.
>
>Stick with me. You can learn a lot.
>

Fuck off and die, troglodyte. Learning from you would be like learning
morality from Hitler.

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>the haters both of the Church and atheists.

Having looked over some of the comments drawn by your statement, isn't it just
amazing how ignorant there atheist wannabe's are. They have no clue as to truth
of the RCC, never once knowing that we of the RCC have knows ..........forever,
that God rewards lifestyle following his teachings, and not the way of the
devil..

[Syd M.]

On May 25, 9:01 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists

Snipping at the first lie.

PDW

[Syd M.]

On May 25, 10:12 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> >>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
> >>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
> >>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
> >>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>

> >It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>
> >Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
> >morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>

> I know, I am one of them.
>

Stop lying.

PDQ

[Uncle Vic]

J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote in news:9fr2q8927blhml08vdg6ud9acfjjlcq0h5@
4ax.com:

> Who know why people believe whatever it is they choose to believe. A
> diiference of matters of such shouldn't be a barrier to find the
> common goal of making the world a better place. The pontiff has
> reached out his hand in friendship, atheists should accept that hand.

The bible contains harsh words against non-believers. If it's a god's
word, and the god is omniscient, how can a mere mortal man change this
god's mind? It doesn't make sense to me. "He's-a cookin-a something up,
don't-cha worry."

> No one in this incidence is being asked to change their beliefs

I still don't trust him.

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
BAAWA

AA Quotemeister

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>now.

>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.

>>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>>known this.

>I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
>good things because they're good.

You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God. Now don't that beat all?

[Syd M.]

On May 26, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>

> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.  The
> >>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus.  If you had
> >>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
> >>now.
> >Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>
> How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>
>

You tell us, ignorant one.

PDW

[Syd M.]

On May 26, 11:35 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>

> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
> >>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
> >>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus.   The RCC
> >>guides us as Jesus taught.  So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
> >>known this.
> >I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
> >good things because they're good.
>
> You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God.  Now don't that beat all?
>
>

It would if it were true, wich it is not.
Nice try though.

PDW

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:33:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>>now.
>
>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>
>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>

How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
allowed to continue living, troglodyte?

You're pathetic.

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:35:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
>>>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>>>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>>>known this.
>
>>I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
>>good things because they're good.
>
>You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God. Now don't that beat all?
>

Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

You have no idea what good things are, let alone pass judgement on
others.

If you do good things only because you listen to imaginary sky pixies,
then you're psychotic. You should do good things just because they're
good things, and for no other reason, you piece of shit.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:00:35 -0400, default <def...@nowhere.net>
wrote:

A claim which is refuted by the behaviour of the religious - it
certainly hasn't made him moral.

[PATRICK]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:00:35 -0400, default <def...@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Where does this "morality" come from?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <ugs3q85n4essegqrv...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> >>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
> >>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
> >>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
> >>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>
> >It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
>
> >Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
> >morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
> But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
> guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would
> have
> known this.
>
> >So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
> >supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
> >just fine on our own?
>
> See, you're still confused. You don't know the difference between God and
> Church.
>
> Stick with me. You can learn a lot.

I doubt he's interested in learning deceit and abuse.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <6tn4q8dspj6450n0r...@4ax.com>,

Empathy.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 13:20:35 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6tn4q8dspj6450n0r...@4ax.com>,
> PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:00:35 -0400, default <def...@nowhere.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> >>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>> >>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>> >>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
>> >>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
>> >
>> >That's where all you bible pounders go wrong. Buying into the concept
>> >that without religion there would be no morality - that simply is not
>> >the case. Without religion, morality has a better chance if anything.

They tell everybody that religion is the only thing making them behave
with even borderline decency towards others .

But their behaviour here tells everybody that it hasn't been very
successful.

>> Where does this "morality" come from?
>
>Empathy.

If sociopaths like Ratpick had any they wouldn't need to ask.

And if they weren't also narcissistic they would realise how nasty it
is to tell ordinary decent, moral people that they can't be moral.

[Father Haskell]

On May 26, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>

> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.  The
> >>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus.  If you had
> >>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
> >>now.
> >Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>
> How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?

He was paying you a compliment. Show some gratitude.

[ala...@hotmail.co.uk]

On May 26, 9:45 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:00:26 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>

> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> >>morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
> >>have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
> >>instead of adversaries. That is great news for humanity, bad news for
> >>the haters both of the Church and atheists.
> >It's not much beyond a cynical ploy.
> >Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
> >morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>
> But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus.   The RCC
> guides us as Jesus taught.  So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
> known this.
>
> >So remind me... what exactly is the benefit of belief in a
> >supernatural being, if its earthly representative thinks we can do
> >just fine on our own?
>
> See, you're still confused.  You don't know the difference between God and
> Church.
>
> Stick with me.  You can learn a lot.

Oh, we're learning a lot from you and Paddy, I can assure you. Till I
saw your scribblings in here, I had no idea how depraved and sick the
average catlik moron is.

[PATRICK]

I wasn't talking with Catholics.
I was talking TO you.

[Smiler]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:52:45 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
>> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>> instead of adversaries.
>
>>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.
>
> The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.

Agreed. The RCC has been doing pathological hubris for nearly 2000 years.

> The dukester, Repellent Wannabe-Christian ********* You simply can't fix
> puke's stupid.
> ********************************************

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:32:04 -0400, Dreamer In Colore

<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:33:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>>>now.
>>
>>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>>
>>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?

>How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
>allowed to continue living, troglodyte?
>You're pathetic.

Here - allow me to repeat what I said above.

Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
now.

Now you can see how totally a loser you are.

[duke]

The public chased him back into hiding.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:33:33 -0400, Dreamer In Colore

<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:35:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>
>>>>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>>>>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>>>>known this.
>>
>>>I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
>>>good things because they're good.
>>
>>You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God. Now don't that beat all?

>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

Awww, so our friend grik is really turning out to be some immature kid.

>You have no idea what good things are, let alone pass judgement on
>others.
>If you do good things only because you listen to imaginary sky pixies,
>then you're psychotic. You should do good things just because they're
>good things, and for no other reason, you piece of shit.

Even his language reeks of "teeny bopper". The way he folded so quickly well
stated he was just a green, immature kid.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 13:19:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

He has to grow up first.

[duke]

But for sure you now know how solid and well educated we Catholic adults are.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:07 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:52:45 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
>>> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>> instead of adversaries.
>>
>>>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.
>>
>> The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.
>
>Agreed. The RCC has been doing pathological hubris for nearly 2000 years.

Making Catholics out of atheists is like making men out of kids. It's what we
do. And we do it well.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama

You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <pqe6q8t3gceithjgu...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:07 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:52:45 -0500, duke wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
> >>> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
> >>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
> >>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
> >>>> instead of adversaries.
> >>
> >>>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.
> >>
> >> The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.
> >
> >Agreed. The RCC has been doing pathological hubris for nearly 2000 years.
>
> Making Catholics out of atheists is like making men out of kids. It's what we
> do. And we do it well.

So how many Catholics have you made out of atheists since your first
post in alt.atheism?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kde6q8591ntjlpe4m...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:32:04 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:33:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> >><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.
> >>>> The
> >>>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If
> >>>>you had
> >>>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament
> >>>>you're in
> >>>>now.
> >>
> >>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
> >>
> >>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>
> >How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
> >allowed to continue living, troglodyte?
> >You're pathetic.
>
> Here - allow me to repeat what I said above.
>
> Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.
> The
> RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus.

Then why don't you?

[default]

Probably evolutionary from our earliest tribal groups, long before
religion interjected itself.

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:49:26 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 14:19:19 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
><father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 26, 11:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>>>
>>> <dreamerincol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.  The
>>> >>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus.  If you had
>>> >>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>> >>now.
>>> >Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>>>
>>> How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>>
>>He was paying you a compliment. Show some gratitude.
>
>The public chased him back into hiding.
>

Fuck off and die, troglodyte. Your narcissism knows no boundaries.
You're as vain as you are stupid... colossally so in both ways.

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:52:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:33:33 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:35:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>>
>>>>>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>>>>>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>>>>>known this.
>>>
>>>>I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
>>>>good things because they're good.
>>>
>>>You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God. Now don't that beat all?
>
>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>
>Awww, so our friend grik is really turning out to be some immature kid.
>

Says the troglodyte who thinks that amputees deserve their
predicament.

Says the moron who can't defend his own faith.

The immaturity is all yours, Dorkster... because you can't talk to
save your life.

[Dreamer In Colore]

Fuck off and die, troglodyte. You're not even a man... you're a sock
puppet of a corrupt regime.

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:57:45 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:07 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:52:45 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
>>>> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>>>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>>>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>>>>> instead of adversaries.
>>>
>>>>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.
>>>
>>> The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.
>>
>>Agreed. The RCC has been doing pathological hubris for nearly 2000 years.
>
>Making Catholics out of atheists is like making men out of kids. It's what we
>do. And we do it well.

Yeah? When was the last time you converted an atheist, you miserable
piece of shit?

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:48:58 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:32:04 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:33:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>>>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>>>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>>>>now.
>>>
>>>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>>>
>>>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>
>>How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
>>allowed to continue living, troglodyte?
>>You're pathetic.
>
>Here - allow me to repeat what I said above.
>
>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>now.
>
>Now you can see how totally a loser you are.
>

Fuck off and die, troglodyte. Following the teachings of the Catholic
church would make me like you, and I'd rather cut my balls off.

I don't need any religion to do good things. You use your religion as
justification to vocalize vile and disgusting things. You're an
embarrassing piece of shit.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 04:06:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>> >>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>> >>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>> >How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
>> >allowed to continue living, troglodyte?
>> >You're pathetic.

>> Here - allow me to repeat what I said above.
>> Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about.
>> The RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus.

>Then why don't you?

You don't know what the are.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 07:30:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Here - allow me to repeat what I said above.
>>
>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>now.
>>
>>Now you can see how totally a loser you are.

>Fuck off and die, troglodyte. Following the teachings of the Catholic
>church would make me like you, and I'd rather cut my balls off.

If you're going to cut them off, use a sharp pair of scissors.

>I don't need any religion to do good things. You use your religion as
>justification to vocalize vile and disgusting things. You're an
>embarrassing piece of shit.

But when you do good things, you really are following God, not yourself.
Heeheehee.

[duke]

The immature child continues to rear it's head.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 07:27:37 -0400, Dreamer In Colore

<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:52:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:33:33 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:35:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:54:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>>>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, it's tacit acceptance that atheists do good things and act
>>>>>>>morally in the absence of the teachings of the RCC.
>>>>
>>>>>>But not without the adherence to the teachings of the Lord Jesus. The RCC
>>>>>>guides us as Jesus taught. So if you had lived a catholic life, you would have
>>>>>>known this.
>>>>
>>>>>I don't do good things because I follow the teachings of anyone. I do
>>>>>good things because they're good.
>>>>
>>>>You CAN'T do good things unless you listen to God. Now don't that beat all?
>>
>>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.

>>Awww, so our friend grik is really turning out to be some immature kid.

>Says the troglodyte who thinks that amputees deserve their
>predicament.

God works thru man, grik. God sends the doctors, but he doctors don't know how
to re-grow limbs.

>Says the moron who can't defend his own faith.

Why do you make such immature and ignorant statements?

>The immaturity is all yours, Dorkster... because you can't talk to
>save your life.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 04:05:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>

wrote:

>In article <pqe6q8t3gceithjgu...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:07 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:52:45 -0500, duke wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:03:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>In article <djm2q893e5ug6ujeb...@4ax.com>,
>> >>> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have been trying for years to have my fellow atheists embrace the
>> >>>> morals and decency espoused by the RCC's teachings. Perhaps my posts
>> >>>> have instead convinced Pope Francis to embrace atheists as allies
>> >>>> instead of adversaries.
>> >>
>> >>>Wow. That's some pretty pathological hubris there.
>> >>
>> >> The RCC has been doing that very thing for 2000 years.
>> >
>> >Agreed. The RCC has been doing pathological hubris for nearly 2000 years.
>>
>> Making Catholics out of atheists is like making men out of kids. It's what we
>> do. And we do it well.

>So how many Catholics have you made out of atheists since your first
>post in alt.atheism?

How many atheists have you made out of Catholics? I see you as fully too
uneducated to make an impact.

[duke]

When was the last time you converted a Catholic?

[Good Morning]

In article <eh29q8dgji0akic8o...@4ax.com>, duke says...

>
>On Mon, 27 May 2013 07:30:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I don't need any religion to do good things. You use your religion as
>>justification to vocalize vile and disgusting things. You're an
>>embarrassing piece of shit.
>
>But when you do good things, you really are following God, not yourself.
>Heeheehee.
>
>The dukester, American - American
>

If I stole a valuable gold art piece from the Vatican, melted it down, sold the
gold and used the money to alleviate the suffering of a large number of people,
would I be doing a good thing?

[default]

On 28 May 2013 03:57:13 -0700, Good Morning <Good_...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

Yes, and you'd be punished for it.

If, on the other hand, you lobbied and managed to convince the Vatican
to part with some of its wealth to alleviate suffering, you would be
both a saint and miracle worker.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:32:04 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:33:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:51:57 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
>><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Additionally, you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. The
>>>>RCC teaches and guides us to follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus. If you had
>>>>ever been Catholic, you'd have know this and not be in the predicament you're in
>>>>now.
>>

>>>Fuck off and die, troglodyte.
>>

>>How is it that someone so weak in knowledge is allowed out in public, grik?
>>
>

>How is it someone so completely lacking in decency and morality is
>allowed to continue living, troglodyte?

There are laws that protect the likes of you.

The dukester, American - American

[duke]

On 28 May 2013 03:57:13 -0700, Good Morning <Good_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

I'm not sure. You started off by stealing the property belonging to other
people, many long dead. Then you destroyed a major artifact of history. You
did good by helping others. But that quickly ends as the gold runs out and they
return to suffering.

The dukester, American - American

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 07:28:49 -0400, Dreamer In Colore

Just as long as I'm not you.

[Smiler]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 18:01:27 -0700, J wrote:

Subject: Atheists are all right!

<snip>

You and your pope got something correct, for once, "J".
Atheists _are_ all right and theists are all wrong.
Alright?

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[duke]

Po, po defo. Still won't acknowledge that the treasures in the Vatican Museum
are not owned by the Vatican, but instead are private property of individuals
and their families, many long dead.

The dukester, American - American

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <gnlbq81pggp8ucupi...@4ax.com>,

Dead people own nothing.

[Dakota]

Much of the property Ducky's quacking about confiscated during the
Inquisition. Once they made the rule that the Inquisitioners got to
keep a portion of confiscated estates, they started finding a lot of
wealthy "heretics".

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <ko6751$c0n$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

Gee, who could possibly have foreseen that?

[duke]

The treasures belong to the owner's ancestors, not the Vatican.

The dukester, American - American

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <r9deq8h0p5ph0lteq...@4ax.com>,

How can treasures belong to ancestors hundreds of years dead? Dead
people cannot own property.

[W.T.S.]

In article <hlwdjsd2-6DBC13...@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...

They belong to the descendants, just like Nazi loot. If there are no
descendants, it belongs to the current governments of the lands where
the Vatican stole the loot.
>

We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f

[duke]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 20:48:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

Hey dummy, their ancestors who are still alive do.

The dukester, American - American

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <tr2hq811vvdl1q8ip...@4ax.com>,

Oh, dear, dukie really doesn't know the difference between ancestors
and descendants.

[Syd M.]

On May 31, 6:17 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <tr2hq811vvdl1q8ip23kq1nm8gib879...@4ax.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 May 2013 20:48:28 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <r9deq8h0p5ph0lteqh85ecgf4i92568...@4ax.com>,

> > > duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >> On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:44:33 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >On 5/29/2013 5:04 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> > >> >> In article <gnlbq81pggp8ucupi0o8a7hn3vhpg8a...@4ax.com>,
> > >> >>   duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> > >> >>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 08:03:30 -0400, default <n...@noname.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >>>> On 28 May 2013 03:57:13 -0700, Good Morning

> > >> >>>> <Good_mem...@newsguy.com>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
>
> > >> >>>>> In article <eh29q8dgji0akic8o03opcu102hcqbd...@4ax.com>, duke

He doesn't know, period.

PDW

[duke]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 15:17:56 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>

By golly, you're right for the first time in your life.

So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is the proper
statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the treasures and hence
can't sell them off.

Haahaahaa.

The dukester, American - American

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <tppjq8pc827uk8r84...@4ax.com>,

How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
from their ancestors?

[PATRICK]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

>
>How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
>from their ancestors?

That is what the American Indians used to say about land....

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <aclkq8ld5cbhh6fa9...@4ax.com>,

And the land that was stolen from them still does not belong to them.

Just like those treasures that were confiscated from lawbreakers no
longer belongs to the descendants of those lawbreakers.

[duke]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is the proper
>> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the treasures and
>> hence
>> can't sell them off.

>How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
>from their ancestors?

Evil woeman makes strawman.

The dukester, American - American

[•RLMeasures]

In article <3igmq8169hp8st0fs...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is the proper
> >> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the treasures and
> >> hence
> >> can't sell them off.
>
> >How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
> >from their ancestors?
>
> Evil woeman makes strawman.
>

• he's on the ropes Jeanne.

[duke]

Yes, SHE is.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <bgomq856daffef3id...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:24:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <3igmq8169hp8st0fs...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is
the proper
> >> >> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the
treasures and
> >> >> hence
> >> >> can't sell them off.
> >>
> >> >How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
> >> >from their ancestors?
> >>
> >> Evil woeman makes strawman.
> >>
> >• he's on the ropes Jeanne.
>
> Yes, SHE is.
>

• so why not take a victory lap Earl?

[default]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:24:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

Poor Dukie

Can't craft a logical response.

Fact is there are lots of "treasures" on/in the Vatican grounds. The
Vatican, on the other hand, wants to gloss over the riches they
uncovered when they wanted to build a 'car park.' and tried to say the
"pagan" art didn't exist or wasn't worth preserving.

Who is running the Vatican?

Surely the Pope isn't so dumb fu ck stupid? Is he?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <66smq8t3qrmo9mjbo...@4ax.com>, default

• The laugher about the Vatican is that there is a stolen "pagan"
Egyptian obelisk looking over St Peter's Square.

[Dakota]

No. He's just a greedy bastard like his predecessors.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <3igmq8169hp8st0fs...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is the proper
> >> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the treasures and
> >> hence
> >> can't sell them off.
>
> >How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
> >from their ancestors?
>
> Evil woeman makes strawman.

Poor poor dukie can't admit he made a mistake. And compounds it by
misusing "strawman" once again.

[duke]

Been doing it for years now.

[duke]

The Obelisk from Egypt was brought to Rome by Emperor Caligula in 37 AD. It
originally stood in his circus on a spot to the south of the basilica, close to
the present Sacristy.

There are few surviving sources on Caligula's reign, although he is described as
a noble and moderate ruler during the first two years of his rule. After this,
the sources focus upon his cruelty, extravagance, and sexual perversity,
presenting him as an insane tyrant.

[duke]

The Pope oversees the greatest assistance to the world's needy is all of
history. Heeheehee. We see greatness, you see your awful self.

[duke]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:16:12 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>

wrote:

>In article <3igmq8169hp8st0fs...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is the proper
>> >> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the treasures and
>> >> hence
>> >> can't sell them off.
>>
>> >How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were confiscated
>> >from their ancestors?
>>
>> Evil woeman makes strawman.
>
>Poor poor dukie can't admit he made a mistake. And compounds it by
>misusing "strawman" once again.

I definitely misused "ancestor" in place of "descendent". Either you were
intelligent enough to know that, or you were too dumb to even note you avoided
the point of the statement.

I rest my case. You're nothing but hot air at best.

Gosh, that was fun. Now watch rl.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <lmuoq89bri0fok7l4...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 08:59:59 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <bgomq856daffef3id...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:24:44 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <3igmq8169hp8st0fs...@4ax.com>, duke
> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:52:26 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> ><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> So yes, "Hey dummy, their descendants who are still alive do" is
> >the proper
> >> >> >> statement. That's exactly why the Vatican doesn't own the
> >treasures and
> >> >> >> hence
> >> >> >> can't sell them off.
> >> >>
> >> >> >How can the treasures belong to the descendants if they were
confiscated
> >> >> >from their ancestors?
> >> >>
> >> >> Evil woeman makes strawman.
> >> >>
> >> >• he's on the ropes Jeanne.
> >>
> >> Yes, SHE is.
> >>
> >• so why not take a victory lap Earl?
>
> Been doing it for years now.
>

• we rejoice. .

[•RLMeasures]

In article <n3voq89ul8gvlp2n2...@4ax.com>, duke

• so why not return the pagan object to the Egyptians from whom it was
stolen? As I see it 2000 years does not erase a theft. The RCC needs to
make things right.
>...

[duke]

I accept your accolades.