For Duke and those like him

[Galen Hekhuis]

Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
good "assists" to your credit. Unfortunately your behavior,
particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism. As
such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
they went to Hell because of the way you acted?

[duke]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>good "assists" to your credit.

They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
sinner.

> Unfortunately your behavior,
>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.

Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.

>As such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
>you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
>place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
>they went to Hell because of the way you acted?

I can't send them to hell. Perhaps you can advise what you see me do. After
all, God SPECIFICALLY calls Christians to admonish the wrongdoer. The classical
wts and her lot are in deep trouble for supporting the murder of the human
unborn.

So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>>good "assists" to your credit.
>
>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
>passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
>sinner.

So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
send Catholics to Hell? Or do you think his power is constrained by
certain other things, including the Bible, his teachings, etc. In
other words, He (and God, presumably) are bound to be consistent. They
cannot act in a way that you would find bewildering or capricious.

>> Unfortunately your behavior,
>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
>
>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.

Someone tuning in to your discussions concerning Noah and the age and
form of the earth might find your position somewhat smug and
self-assured, for example, and cause them to avoid any religion that
might lead to such behavior. Even if you see your actions as being
exactly what God calls you to do, have you ever considered that you
might be wrong?

>>As such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
>>you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
>>place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
>>they went to Hell because of the way you acted?
>
>I can't send them to hell. Perhaps you can advise what you see me do. After
>all, God SPECIFICALLY calls Christians to admonish the wrongdoer. The classical
>wts and her lot are in deep trouble for supporting the murder of the human
>unborn.

Unless they aren't. Remember, there were preachers and priests and
such that fervently believed in slavery and quoted scripture to
"prove" that it was God who SPECIFICALLY called the white man to
enslave the black man.

>So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.

Have you ever changed your belief in "God's will"? In other words,
has your perception of what God wants ever changed? Would you not
categorize certain things you did before as not in tune with what God
wants? Are you sure your perception now will never change?

[Meteorite Debris]

Last time that great scribe duke <duckg...@cox.net> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...

>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
> >haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
> >good "assists" to your credit.
>
> They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
> passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
> sinner.

This is one of the best Daffy Ducky cartoons. In it Earl Weber AKA Duke
(oppps I mean Daffy Duck) is very enthusiastic about the US war effort.
Marching, flag waving and carrying on from the safety of his living room
but suddenly doesn't like the idea of being a part of it.

http://www.220.ro/trailer/05-Draftee-Daffy/PhEJFgFKwf/

--

Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich prayed for me on 8 January 2009 and nothing happened.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

[default]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
<ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:

You can bet if there was a hell it would be populated by the holiest
of men: popes, cardinals, bishops, priests, imams, rabbis,
televangelists, evangelical Christians, and the like.

Too bad that hell is a myth.

[duke]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>

wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>>>good "assists" to your credit.

>>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
>>passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
>>sinner.

>So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
>send Catholics to Hell?

Let me put it this way. He said he came, not to be served, but TO serve others.
And then he said "follow me". That tells me that lip service doesn't work, but
words with actions. Catholics understand this as our way of life where hindus
may not. So that gives us a leg up as we are in tune with his commands, and
hindu's follow another criteria. So I'll leave it to you to decide for
yourself.

> Or do you think his power is constrained by
>certain other things, including the Bible, his teachings, etc. In
>other words, He (and God, presumably) are bound to be consistent. They
>cannot act in a way that you would find bewildering or capricious.

"Follow me" is high in consistency.

>>> Unfortunately your behavior,
>>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
>
>>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
>>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.

>Someone tuning in to your discussions concerning Noah and the age and
>form of the earth might find your position somewhat smug and
>self-assured, for example, and cause them to avoid any religion that
>might lead to such behavior. Even if you see your actions as being
>exactly what God calls you to do, have you ever considered that you
>might be wrong?

When I open my Catholic Study Bible, or google Genesis, both are extremely clear
in exactly those words that Genesis 1-11 is NOT a scientific statement about God
creating the universe and everything in it, but instead a faith statement by
Israel, and written after 2 Kings.

>>>As such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
>>>you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
>>>place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
>>>they went to Hell because of the way you acted?

>>I can't send them to hell. Perhaps you can advise what you see me do. After
>>all, God SPECIFICALLY calls Christians to admonish the wrongdoer. The classical
>>wts and her lot are in deep trouble for supporting the murder of the human
>>unborn.

>Unless they aren't.

Yep, but I'm going by the strong language by them that they are.

>Remember, there were preachers and priests and
>such that fervently believed in slavery and quoted scripture to
>"prove" that it was God who SPECIFICALLY called the white man to
>enslave the black man.

And God has already delt with them, and I personally don't know the outcome. Man
believing he is called to such horrible deeds, by our God, is horribly confused.

>>So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.

>Have you ever changed your belief in "God's will"? In other words,
>has your perception of what God wants ever changed?

No, his language to "love one another as he loves us" throughout the bible still
stands.

> Would you not
>categorize certain things you did before as not in tune with what God
>wants? Are you sure your perception now will never change?

What things? I have consistently pushed the message of "love for one another"
as God's decision maker on salvation ever since I've been on the internet. John
13:34 can't be denied.

[•R.Measures]

In article <hd1d881dg5j8pvvdf...@4ax.com>, duke

• His having said that his Dad does not want sacrifice is not followed by
the RCC.

>
> >>> Unfortunately your behavior,
> >>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
> >>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
> >
> >>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my
challenge to
> >>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.
>
> >Someone tuning in to your discussions concerning Noah and the age and
> >form of the earth might find your position somewhat smug and
> >self-assured, for example, and cause them to avoid any religion that
> >might lead to such behavior. Even if you see your actions as being
> >exactly what God calls you to do, have you ever considered that you
> >might be wrong?
>
> When I open my Catholic Study Bible, or google Genesis, both are
extremely clear
> in exactly those words that Genesis 1-11 is NOT a scientific statement
about God
> creating the universe and everything in it, but instead a faith statement by

> Israel ...

• The Jews wrote another version of Genesis that included a female
character named Lillith, Which one is correct?

[Stanislaus Stewart]

Suppose 'god' tells me to vote for Obama, what should I do?
>

[duke]

You're not a Catholic, I am. I say the RCC goes along exactly with what he
said.

>• The Jews wrote another version of Genesis that included a female
>character named Lillith, Which one is correct?

The one in the bible.

[duke]

> Suppose 'god' tells me to vote for Obama, what should I do?

He gives you a free choice.

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:10:37 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>>>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>>>>good "assists" to your credit.
>
>>>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
>>>passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
>>>sinner.
>
>>So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
>>send Catholics to Hell?
>
>Let me put it this way. He said he came, not to be served, but TO serve others.
>And then he said "follow me". That tells me that lip service doesn't work, but
>words with actions. Catholics understand this as our way of life where hindus
>may not. So that gives us a leg up as we are in tune with his commands, and
>hindu's follow another criteria. So I'll leave it to you to decide for
>yourself.

My grandfather was a missionary in India, where my father was born. He
not only "talked the talk," he also "walked the walk." After he
became sick and was given less than a year to live, he was ordered
home by the church and sent back to Kansas, where he (unexpectedly)
recovered and went on to live more than 50 years. I never heard him
"bad-mouth" someone or disparage them. While I do not believe the
same things he did (and neither do you -- he was, after all, a
Protestant), his entire life was made up of acts, rather than just
words. I don't recall his ever saying "Jesus wants--" or something
like that, he would say "Jesus said-," and then go on to explain what
that meant to him. While I am no theologian, that may be the main
difference between Catholics and Protestants, in that Catholics want
someone to tell them how to behave, whereas Protestants are encouraged
to take some personal responsibility as to how they behave. In any
event, I (and probably some others) are a bit puzzled as to how you
can reconcile the charge to "follow Me" with your sometimes harsh and
sharp-tongued responses. (Yeah, I know, "you're only human.")

>> Or do you think his power is constrained by
>>certain other things, including the Bible, his teachings, etc. In
>>other words, He (and God, presumably) are bound to be consistent. They
>>cannot act in a way that you would find bewildering or capricious.
>
>"Follow me" is high in consistency.

Huh? How so?

>>>> Unfortunately your behavior,
>>>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>>>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
>>
>>>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
>>>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.
>
>>Someone tuning in to your discussions concerning Noah and the age and
>>form of the earth might find your position somewhat smug and
>>self-assured, for example, and cause them to avoid any religion that
>>might lead to such behavior. Even if you see your actions as being
>>exactly what God calls you to do, have you ever considered that you
>>might be wrong?
>
>When I open my Catholic Study Bible, or google Genesis, both are extremely clear
>in exactly those words that Genesis 1-11 is NOT a scientific statement about God
>creating the universe and everything in it, but instead a faith statement by
>Israel, and written after 2 Kings.

Can you explain that a bit? The difference between a "faith
statement" and fact.

>>>>As such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
>>>>you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
>>>>place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
>>>>they went to Hell because of the way you acted?
>
>>>I can't send them to hell. Perhaps you can advise what you see me do. After
>>>all, God SPECIFICALLY calls Christians to admonish the wrongdoer. The classical
>>>wts and her lot are in deep trouble for supporting the murder of the human
>>>unborn.
>
>>Unless they aren't.
>
>Yep, but I'm going by the strong language by them that they are.

Judging by words and not deeds? Is that what you're proposing?

>>Remember, there were preachers and priests and
>>such that fervently believed in slavery and quoted scripture to
>>"prove" that it was God who SPECIFICALLY called the white man to
>>enslave the black man.
>
>And God has already delt with them, and I personally don't know the outcome. Man
>believing he is called to such horrible deeds, by our God, is horribly confused.

The point being that they were probably as thoroughly convinced that
it was "God's will" as you are convinced that you know "God's will."

>>>So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.
>
>>Have you ever changed your belief in "God's will"? In other words,
>>has your perception of what God wants ever changed?
>
>No, his language to "love one another as he loves us" throughout the bible still
>stands.

Do you think you are an example of that?

>> Would you not
>>categorize certain things you did before as not in tune with what God
>>wants? Are you sure your perception now will never change?
>
>What things? I have consistently pushed the message of "love for one another"
>as God's decision maker on salvation ever since I've been on the internet. John
>13:34 can't be denied.

Oh you've consistently pushed a message alright, but I doubt many
would characterize it as having much to do with "love for one
another."

[Budikka666]

Budikka writes:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You haven't
>>really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some good
>>"assists" to your credit.
>
> They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides
> who passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the
> individual sinner.

What a pity you can't prove a word of it and you run like diarrhea when
challenged.

> So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.

Quite the contrary, you RUN from discussion:

Here's an abridged list of threads in which we've posed serious questions
about his position and from which he has run like diarrhea.



Here's the most recent example of Duke's Shameless cowardice:

Challenged to present his evidence for a creator god, he RAN AWAY!
(Again, yawn).

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
e8a0474ae8eb1ded?scoring=d&

9/29/2012



Challenged to a formal debate on abortion, Duke Box aborted!

http://tinyurl.com/9zgnxcb

9/9/2012



Challenged to a formal debate on the existence of Jesus, Duck & Run
Dipshit-For-Christ Duke RAN:

http://tinyurl.com/7mo8j5l

3/25/2012



In the massive slaughter of Usenet creationists, *every* *single* *one*
of whom fled because they could not post even on item of positive
scientific evidence for a creator or for a creation, Duped was merely one
of a host of creationists who RAN AWAY:

http://tinyurl.com/8yqo8fw

(3/18/2012)



Challenged to identify the two species on either side of this "missing
link" he lies exists, Dumbass Duke RAN AWAY!

http://tinyurl.com/7k2w6jc

(2/25/2012)



The Valentine's Day Massacre!

http://tinyurl.com/7mdvcep

(2/14/2012)



Duck & Run starts the new year in fine fettle - runs three times in one
day!

http://tinyurl.com/7eotebl

http://tinyurl.com/7b2waz8

http://tinyurl.com/7o23uvn



Dec 27th, 2011

Challenged to debate his 100% evidence for Jesus, Duck & Run ducked and
ran.

http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q



Dec 26th, 2011

Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
*given* *a* *second* *chance* to produce it, he fled the challenge!

http://tinyurl.com/7kawokn



Dec. 24th 2011

Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
challenged to produce it, he fled the challenge!

http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q



Sept. 5th 2011

asked for evidence for this Jesus of his. Duck & Run ducked & ran!

http://tinyurl.com/3brposl





On January 22, 2011, under the title: "Chicken Duke Has a Beautifully
Clean Pair of heels Does he Not?" We requested "Please provide
independent evidence - that is, from *outside* the Bible - that there
ever was a Jesus Christ, miracle working son of a god."

Chicken Duke couldn't do it.

http://tinyurl.com/4h6wdzm



Then there was this:

http://tinyurl.com/4dk7aoz

Jan 16, 2011, We requested this of Chicken Duke:

please provide *positive* *scientific* evidence for a creator or for a
creation, and post it right here in response to this message.

This was in response to his assertion that "Existence mandates creation".

He ran away.



http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j

December 22nd 2010, in which Chicken Duke was challenged to support
statements he has made repeatedly on Usenet. Once again he ran from them
like the stinking diarrhea he is and hid behind an irrelevant and
dishoenst non-sequitur.



Prior to that he ran from a similar challenge just the day before(!):

He ran from a challenge to support his bullshit on December 21st, 2010:

http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j



And just the month before that:

http://tinyurl.com/2d5xtf3



November 20th 2010, he ran form these five simple questions rather than
support his god, thereby proving that he's nothing but another limp Peter
at the passion!



Here are the questions:

1. That the figure you quoted is true.

2. That they all believe in the *same* deity.

3. That this single deity actually exists

4. That this single deity actually created the universe

5. That this single deity is not a figment of their imagination

Here's my prediction at the time:

Time to show us that clean pair of heels again, Chicken Duck & Run.

Yep - he ran!



Claimed there are "gargantuan holes" in the Theory of Evolution and then
RAN when we called him on it:

http://tinyurl.com/27kf2da



The entire "Why There Isn't a God" series, started here:

http://tinyurl.com/6b9et



Duck & Run Ran Away - that is to say he failed 100% to actually get to
grips with the subject matter in any of those threads, his 'response'
consisting solely of chanting "no it isn't" or words to that effect. He
could offer no rebuttal, let alone refutation, he could not support a
single thing he claimed and he could offer zero rationale for his
position.



Let's face it, on this basis, he's run away from the entire "Why the Holy
Bible Lies" series, the entire "Why There Was No Flood" series, and all
of the the "Issues The Anti-Choice Crowd Carefully Avoid" series so far.



Petition to Save the Hubble Telescope

Duck & Run makes yet another blind claim "Ok, you foot the bill to keep
looking at the same "sky" that's already been looked at" he blathers,
like there couldn't possibly be anything new to discover, yet we proved
him entirely wrong - again.

http://tinyurl.com/74p46nj



Scientists find new face on back of Turin shroud

http://tinyurl.com/2bx6jcf

Duck & Run, shrouded in cowardice, ran away.



The Inquisition

http://tinyurl.com/4pokf

Duck & Run didn't expect the inquisition....



Another Problem for Creation IDiots

http://tinyurl.com/3px9j

Duck & Run proved to be a creation IDiot.



Human aspect of Jesus

http://tinyurl.com/4w488

Duck and Run has provided us with a de facto admission that there was no
Jesus Christ, miracle-working son-of-a-god.



Jesus's three days sacrifice

http://tinyurl.com/3jhop

Duck & Run sacrificed the truth and got caught.



Which is the real God???

http://tinyurl.com/6bnoo

Duck & Run didn't know.



God isn't very smart about spreading his word, is he?

http://tinyurl.com/7xjux

Neither is Duck & Run.



Why did Mekkla run away from a discussion of Heb 8:7-13?

http://tinyurl.com/4v759

Duck & Run opened this thread to accuse someone else of running away. As
soon as he was challenged, Duck & Run ran away!



Why Didn't Jesus Die Sooner?

http://tinyurl.com/5gevm

Duck & Run's claims died sooner.



Why is Duke Such a Coward?

http://tinyurl.com/5p3qt

Duck & Run ran away, proving what a coward he is.



Duck & Run's five evidences of god

(that he later admitted were not evidences):

http://tinyurl.com/3otzr



Questions that Duke Can't Answer

(in which we accused Duck & Run of running away and from which he...**RAN
AWAY**! The questions remain unanswered. There are only ten numbered
questions in this thread, assembled from previous threads from which

Duck & Run ran away. Duck & Run lied there were 75 questions and...ran
away!)

http://tinyurl.com/5ozyl



There are now well over one hundred unanswered questions that Duck & Run
has fled. Here's the bulk of them:

http://tinyurl.com/ad89u

http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y



Duck & Run thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven
centuries, gave rise to Mithraism:

http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk

Duck & Run ran away.



Duke: Global Flood Challenge

A thread which we opened specifically at Duck & Run's request, and from
which he, predictably, ran away. He admitted there is no evidence for a
global flood, we presented abundant evidence that there never was one,

Duck & Run offered zero rebuttal and ran away as he again did in the
recent flood series.

http://tinyurl.com/4l83y



Evidence that Duke can't refute:

http://tinyurl.com/5l2av

Duck & Run failed to refute the evidence and ran away, thereby proving my
case



An Answer to Pascal's Wager

http://tinyurl.com/4y63n

In which we accuse Duck & Run of running away. He ran away!



Thread: "Why Puke is Such a Pathological, Unregenerate, Cowardly, Lying,
Hypocritical Asshole"

http://tinyurl.com/4ant3

Duck & Run ran away because he's a pathological, unregenerate, cowardly,
lying hypocritical asshole.



Thread: "Duke's Chronic lying"

http://tinyurl.com/3ra8l

Duck & Run ran away.



Thread: "aqotm - bud(ikka) style"

http://tinyurl.com/4r4gz

Duck & Run ran away from his own clueless stupidity



Thread: "Duke: Global Flood Challenge"

http://tinyurl.com/3qd5m

Duck & Run was out of his depth - as he's recently proven again - and so
he...ran away!



Thread: "The Bland Assumption of Jesus' Existence"

http://tinyurl.com/5kj3m

Duck & Run ran away as we blandly assumed he would.



Thread: "Running Scriptural Circles Around Duke"

http://tinyurl.com/3ozwo

Duck & Run ran away after we ran scriptural circles around him



And my favorite:

http://tinyurl.com/487vc

This was a cowardly thread Duck & Run opened titled "Budikka Runs Away".
He set this up because he was peeved that he didn't get an instant
response from me in another thread! He never told me he'd opened this
alternate thread, yet he accused me of running away in it! LoL! When we
finally happened across it and challenged him in it, he ran away! How
pathetic is that?!



And more than once/month for an entire 12 month period starting April
2009:

April 21st, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzywu7q

July 12th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrmfxp

August 16th,2009: http://tinyurl.com/kjjmn4

September 10th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/oasqn8

October 3rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybvtw53

November 9th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yjlmbrf

November 19th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yj64yqj

November 20th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrkvyh

November 22nd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ycw6s8l

November 25th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d

November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakpje3

November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d

December 5th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzt9f4m

December 7th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yllcb6q

December 8th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybzvv33

December 13th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakex6v

December 23rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/y9k8kpv

January 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnesb2

January 24th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l

January 27th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycgm8u8

January 31st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo

February 3rd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l

February 15th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjjj93v

February 16th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo

February 22nd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ye59brz

March 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ykgtezr

March 6th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjhe3fe

March 9th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnahkb

March 11th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yl8hcea



The best comment from him was in alt.atheism on January 5th, 2004, at
5:46 pm when he said, "I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but
I've never heard myself think." (http://tinyurl.com/f48bq). This
explains everything, including why he's such a gashole. All he can do is
impotently snipe at people, since he has nothing of value or intelligence
to say and he demonstrably cannot support a single claim he makes.



He has no proof, no evidence - not even an intelligent argument. He does
not think because he cannot. He's quite loco, and like a loco, he's
stuck on a pair of narrow rails. He has no clue he's on them, let alone
how to get off. And the track to which he's limited leads to a dead end
- which he hilariously thinks is "Heaven"!



The best "evidence" of a god he was ever capable of producing was a
lackluster five items he posted in thread "Scientists find new face on
back of Turin shroud" in a.a. on April 18 2004, 9:52 am:

http://tinyurl.com/c6hkg.



He appears to have appropriated "his" five evidences from Thomas Aquinas
who, c1245, published "Summa theologiae" which contained five "Ways" to
"prove" some god's existence, all of which have been thoroughly
discredited.



He admitted his "own" five ways were nothing but blind belief in alt
atheism in a thread called "The Inquisition" message posted on Saturday,
12 June, 2004 11:52am:

http://tinyurl.com/bc5ud

but that was all he could do after the massive pounding he got.



We used those same five items in a spoof edition of my "Why There is no
God" series (http://tinyurl.com/bz54w). We changed a word here and there
and all of his five "evidences" miraculously became evidence for the non-
existence of a god! Naturally we didn't count them in the 666 since they
were so pathetic.



His comments aren't born of smarts, logic, rational or evidence, they're
born of desperation. Neither are his comments aimed at the material -
they rarely are. He's incapable of having a rational exchange on a
topic. He spits out idiocy and insult and runs away.



His comments are not designed to enlighten, help, or exchange anything,
but to abuse people. He's the very antithesis of this purported
Christian love he's supposed to dispense.



He never documents or supports a single thing he says, whereas the
cowardice and lies of this pathetic hypocrite for Christ have been fully
documented on Usenet. His despicable behavior and his slanderous
unfounded charges (he thinks turning the other cheek means mooning
someone) are why he was mass-plonked by pretty near the entire regular
set on a.a.:

http://tinyurl.com/9gycg



It's a sign of how pathetic he is, how low he's sinking and how desperate
he's become since he was cut off, that he now has to beg for atheists to
talk to him by posting inane rants against us - this from the guy who
claims to be a Christian, who claims to do unto others as he would be
done by, and who lies about turning the other cheek!



His cowardice in "debate" or even discussion is legendary:

1. http://tinyurl.com/ac2vg

2. http://tinyurl.com/4dyok

3. http://tinyurl.com/664yu

4. http://tinyurl.com/apenc



He thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven centuries,
gave rise to Mithraism:

http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk



He's quite literally astronomically stupid:

http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg

("the same "sky" that's already been looked at."!)

http://tinyurl.com/6fbwqh



He claims he can run rings around anyone on scripture, but when he was
actually taken up directly on this claim:

http://tinyurl.com/3z47u

he ran away!



He has numerous documented lies:

http://tinyurl.com/5zlzx

http://tinyurl.com/ablwm



He regularly demands people open discussions on his god, and when they
do, he runs away. We personally had him run from the *same topic* well
over 100 times in direct response to a challenge *he* made!



He dismally failed the simplest intelligence test imaginable:

http://tinyurl.com/7zm43



He has fifty questions he can't answer or daren't answer honestly here:

http://tinyurl.com/ad89u (October 22nd 2004)



and fifty more here:

http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y (July 16th 2005)



In short, he's a waste of a human being and not worth any response other
than this.



End of Douche. Case closed.



Budikka

[Dakota]

You use the term 'Protestant' as if it represents an homogeneous group
when, if fact, there are tens of thousands of protestant sects with
widely varying ideas regarding the so-called path to salvation. For
every Protestant like your grandfather, there are hundreds who cherry
pick the scriptures to give themselves the authority to loudly condemn
anyone who doesn't follow their particular interpretation. Catholics
tend to accept a more unified approach to religious delusions than
Protestants.

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:45:40 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."

[Seth lePod]

On Oct 23, 5:10 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net>

> >>wrote:
>
> >>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
> >>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
> >>>good "assists" to your credit.
> >>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls".  Christ decides who
> >>passes the test for salvation.  And that remains in the hands of the individual
> >>sinner.
> >So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
> >send Catholics to Hell?
>

;
> Let me put it this way. He said he came, not to be served, but TO serve others.
> And then he said "follow me". That tells me that lip service doesn't work, but
> words with actions. Catholics understand this as our way of life where hindus
> may not. So that gives us a leg up as we are in tune with his commands, and
> hindu's follow another criteria. So I'll leave it to you to decide for
> yourself.

So, you are actively to act oh His behalf, yes?

I'm curious: what are you yourself, Duke, doing to
carry out this active following?

And if your answer is to come here on Usenet and try to
combat such things as abortion and apostasy, do you
think your inevitable mocking, sneering, consescending,
and insulting manner of addressing posters is a good
way to get those teachings across?

Note that I ask this in all seriousness.


Seth

[Mike Painter]

Duke's real name is Earl and if you listen to his idea of what the RCC
is you will come away with a mish mash that does not represent The One
True Church and is close to an Evangelical version of the church.

He grew up pre-Vatican II learning by rote from the nuns who learned
it by rote from parish priests, who learned...
His later views seem to come from the charismatic churches that sprung
up after Vatican II.

I suspect he shares Patrick's views that the American Catholic Church
is the One True Church and that those of third worlds (i.e. Australia,
according to Patty,) are not quite proper.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig

[linuxgal]

Mike Painter wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:31:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
>> been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."
>
> Duke's real name is Earl and if you listen to his idea of what the RCC
> is you will come away with a mish mash that does not represent The One
> True Church and is close to an Evangelical version of the church.

Duke is a neo-Nestorian heretic.

--
Need a spiritual home? Consider joining us at Mary Queen of the Universe
Latter-day Buddhislamic Free Will Christian UFO Synagogue of Vishnu

[Alan Ferris]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>
>> Unfortunately your behavior,
>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
>
>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.

You have never challenged anybody's beliefs, all you do is post lies and
insults. How do you think insulting and lying about people challenges their
beliefs?

----
"I think, way back been I spent time (wasted, really) trying to get
some idiot from Louisiana (Earl Weber?) to leave y'all the hell
alone." - Rev. Dye
----

[duke]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:44:31 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>

wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:10:37 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>>>>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>>>>>good "assists" to your credit.
>>
>>>>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls". Christ decides who
>>>>passes the test for salvation. And that remains in the hands of the individual
>>>>sinner.
>>
>>>So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
>>>send Catholics to Hell?
>>
>>Let me put it this way. He said he came, not to be served, but TO serve others.
>>And then he said "follow me". That tells me that lip service doesn't work, but
>>words with actions. Catholics understand this as our way of life where hindus
>>may not. So that gives us a leg up as we are in tune with his commands, and
>>hindu's follow another criteria. So I'll leave it to you to decide for
>>yourself.

>My grandfather was a missionary in India, where my father was born. He
>not only "talked the talk," he also "walked the walk."

And this is the key.

> After he
>became sick and was given less than a year to live, he was ordered
>home by the church and sent back to Kansas, where he (unexpectedly)
>recovered and went on to live more than 50 years. I never heard him
>"bad-mouth" someone or disparage them. While I do not believe the
>same things he did (and neither do you -- he was, after all, a
>Protestant), his entire life was made up of acts, rather than just
>words.

An interesting mistake in the making: "not believe the same things I do".
That's a major mistake on our part. A quick comparison shows that Catholics
follow ALL of the bible, whereas protest_ants are selective.

> I don't recall his ever saying "Jesus wants--" or something
>like that, he would say "Jesus said-," and then go on to explain what
>that meant to him. While I am no theologian, that may be the main
>difference between Catholics and Protestants, in that Catholics want
>someone to tell them how to behave, whereas Protestants are encouraged
>to take some personal responsibility as to how they behave.

Speaking of total confusion in your words.

>In any
>event, I (and probably some others) are a bit puzzled as to how you
>can reconcile the charge to "follow Me" with your sometimes harsh and
>sharp-tongued responses. (Yeah, I know, "you're only human.")

I'm guilty of returning favors.

>>> Or do you think his power is constrained by
>>>certain other things, including the Bible, his teachings, etc. In
>>>other words, He (and God, presumably) are bound to be consistent. They
>>>cannot act in a way that you would find bewildering or capricious.
>>"Follow me" is high in consistency.
>Huh? How so?

Huh? How so? In obedience to his Father, that's how. That's not the case when
one is selective of what to follow in the teachings of Jesus and what not to.

>>>>> Unfortunately your behavior,
>>>>>particularly on Usenet, turned off a bunch of people who swore they
>>>>>would never get involved with Christianity let alone Catholicism.
>>>
>>>>Interesting. Can you tell me "how I turned them off"? I see my challenge to
>>>>their beliefs as exactly what God calls me to do.
>>
>>>Someone tuning in to your discussions concerning Noah and the age and
>>>form of the earth might find your position somewhat smug and
>>>self-assured, for example, and cause them to avoid any religion that
>>>might lead to such behavior. Even if you see your actions as being
>>>exactly what God calls you to do, have you ever considered that you
>>>might be wrong?
>>
>>When I open my Catholic Study Bible, or google Genesis, both are extremely clear
>>in exactly those words that Genesis 1-11 is NOT a scientific statement about God
>>creating the universe and everything in it, but instead a faith statement by
>>Israel, and written after 2 Kings.

>Can you explain that a bit? The difference between a "faith
>statement" and fact.

Gen 1-11 speaks of God creating the universe in 6 days. Is that days in a far
away galaxy? The universe is 13.7 billion years old, earth is 4.5 billion years
old, not 6000 years. The global flood, if there was one, could have happened
anytime in the last 4.5 billion years when Mt. Everest was nothing more than a
speed bump at best.

Gen 1-11 is acknowledged as a introductory statement of faith of God's creation
of all things rather than a scientific statement. These chapters were actually
written after 2 Kings. Basically, the idea of God beginning to interact with
his creation in human beings begins with Abraham who lived is a society where
man sacrificed his own 1st born son to his (g)od for good fortune.

>>>>>As such, the bad stuff you did in your life far outweighs the good." Do
>>>>>you think you'll get a pass because "your heart was in the right
>>>>>place"? How would you feel knowing you irritated some folks so much
>>>>>they went to Hell because of the way you acted?

>>>>I can't send them to hell. Perhaps you can advise what you see me do. After
>>>>all, God SPECIFICALLY calls Christians to admonish the wrongdoer. The classical
>>>>wts and her lot are in deep trouble for supporting the murder of the human
>>>>unborn.

>>>Unless they aren't.
>>Yep, but I'm going by the strong language by them that they are.

>Judging by words and not deeds? Is that what you're proposing?

WTS, as an example, is pure garbage mouth fully in support of murdering every
unborn human being at a whim. Is she/he/it serious? Nobody knows. Believe me,
I was addressed as "puke" long, long before I sneaked in there a little bit
myself.

>>>Remember, there were preachers and priests and
>>>such that fervently believed in slavery and quoted scripture to
>>>"prove" that it was God who SPECIFICALLY called the white man to
>>>enslave the black man.

>>And God has already delt with them, and I personally don't know the outcome. Man
>>believing he is called to such horrible deeds, by our God, is horribly confused.

>The point being that they were probably as thoroughly convinced that
>it was "God's will" as you are convinced that you know "God's will."

God's will be done. Jesus gave us a new command "that we love one another as he
loves us". John 13:34. Jesus said that the 10 commandments will never go away,
but the new way is to love and obey God and love and serve our fellow man.

>>>>So I eagerly await your input for further discussion.
>>>Have you ever changed your belief in "God's will"? In other words,
>>>has your perception of what God wants ever changed?
>>No, his language to "love one another as he loves us" throughout the bible still
>>stands.

>Do you think you are an example of that?

Scripture well directs us to admonish others for wrongdoing. I pride myself to
not even coming close to what others (some) dish out to me in insult. Maybe
you should hang around more often.

>>> Would you not
>>>categorize certain things you did before as not in tune with what God
>>>wants? Are you sure your perception now will never change?
>>
>>What things? I have consistently pushed the message of "love for one another"
>>as God's decision maker on salvation ever since I've been on the internet. John
>>13:34 can't be denied.

>Oh you've consistently pushed a message alright, but I doubt many
>would characterize it as having much to do with "love for one
>another."

When you talk to an animal mentality, you can't use the language of love and
make a point.

[duke]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:45:40 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>You use the term 'Protestant' as if it represents an homogeneous group
>when, if fact, there are tens of thousands of protestant sects with
>widely varying ideas regarding the so-called path to salvation.

Really. That's a new one. I'd say it's a classical misstatement of one that
has no idea what he's talking about.

> For
>every Protestant like your grandfather, there are hundreds who cherry
>pick the scriptures to give themselves the authority to loudly condemn
>anyone who doesn't follow their particular interpretation. Catholics
>tend to accept a more unified approach to religious delusions than
>Protestants.

We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it. If you
had stayed around long enough to see that, you'd still be here.

[duke]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:31:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
>been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."

I disagree totally. But only Jesus can say where he draws the line in
salvation. However, you're wrongly linking protest_ants with heathens in my
words.

I open profess that protest_ants are Christians.

[duke]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:41:29 -0700, Mike Painter <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:31:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
><ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
>>been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."
>
>Duke's real name is Earl and if you listen to his idea of what the RCC
>is you will come away with a mish mash that does not represent The One
>True Church and is close to an Evangelical version of the church.

That's true only if the evangelical matches up with the Catholic Church in
following EVERYTHING God said. Remember, when Jesus said "This IS my Body and
Blood", we believe him. Not so many protest_ants.

>He grew up pre-Vatican II learning by rote from the nuns who learned
>it by rote from parish priests, who learned...
>His later views seem to come from the charismatic churches that sprung
>up after Vatican II.
>
>I suspect he shares Patrick's views that the American Catholic Church
>is the One True Church and that those of third worlds (i.e. Australia,
>according to Patty,) are not quite proper.

[•R.Measures]

In article <98bi885nqkop2akb8...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:45:40 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You use the term 'Protestant' as if it represents an homogeneous group
> >when, if fact, there are tens of thousands of protestant sects with
> >widely varying ideas regarding the so-called path to salvation.
>
> Really. That's a new one. I'd say it's a classical misstatement of one that
> has no idea what he's talking about.
>
> > For
> >every Protestant like your grandfather, there are hundreds who cherry
> >pick the scriptures to give themselves the authority to loudly condemn
> >anyone who doesn't follow their particular interpretation. Catholics
> >tend to accept a more unified approach to religious delusions than
> >Protestants.
>

> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. ...

• All except for:

Hosea 6:6 NIV
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than
burnt offerings."
&
Matthew 9:13: "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not
sacrifice."

[duke]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:22:30 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 23, 5:10 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:39:42 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:23:57 -0400, Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net>
>> >>wrote:
>>
>> >>>Suppose at those Pearly White Gates they say something like "You
>> >>>haven't really saved any souls all by yourself, but you do have some
>> >>>good "assists" to your credit.
>> >>They wouldn't tell me that because "I can't save souls".  Christ decides who
>> >>passes the test for salvation.  And that remains in the hands of the individual
>> >>sinner.
>> >So if "Christ decides" then he could populate Heaven with Hindus and
>> >send Catholics to Hell?

>> Let me put it this way. He said he came, not to be served, but TO serve others.
>> And then he said "follow me". That tells me that lip service doesn't work, but
>> words with actions. Catholics understand this as our way of life where hindus
>> may not. So that gives us a leg up as we are in tune with his commands, and
>> hindu's follow another criteria. So I'll leave it to you to decide for
>> yourself.

>So, you are actively to act oh His behalf, yes?

Say what?

>I'm curious: what are you yourself, Duke, doing to
>carry out this active following?

Currently active in 6 volunteer ministries (8 overall at one time or another),
daily Mass attendance. Different people are active in different ministries. I
have my desires.

>And if your answer is to come here on Usenet and try to
>combat such things as abortion and apostasy, do you
>think your inevitable mocking, sneering, consescending,
>and insulting manner of addressing posters is a good
>way to get those teachings across?

At worst, it's lighthearted. There are some really ignorant people I respond to
on these ng's, but I figure if I can get them to pay attention, they might just
get the message. Clearly, what I hand out isn't nearly as bad or crude or ugly
as I get.

>Note that I ask this in all seriousness.

Answered sincerely.

[•R.Measures]

In article <dcni88t7igh5cb08t...@4ax.com>, duke

• landing a job at Hershey's as a taste tester?

[duke]

Wrong. We do EXACTLY what Jesus called us to at the last supper, et. al.

>&
>Matthew 9:13: "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not
>sacrifice."

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.

Except the part about not eating pork.

[•R.Measures]

In article <kpgj88p6d1fmlrpaf...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:34:30 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <98bi885nqkop2akb8...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:45:40 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >You use the term 'Protestant' as if it represents an homogeneous group
> >> >when, if fact, there are tens of thousands of protestant sects with
> >> >widely varying ideas regarding the so-called path to salvation.
> >>
> >> Really. That's a new one. I'd say it's a classical misstatement of
one that
> >> has no idea what he's talking about.
> >>
> >> > For
> >> >every Protestant like your grandfather, there are hundreds who cherry
> >> >pick the scriptures to give themselves the authority to loudly condemn
> >> >anyone who doesn't follow their particular interpretation. Catholics
> >> >tend to accept a more unified approach to religious delusions than
> >> >Protestants.
> >>
> >> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. ...
> >
> >• All except for:
> >
> >Hosea 6:6 NIV
> >"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than
> >burnt offerings."
>
> Wrong. We do EXACTLY what Jesus called us to at the last supper, et. al.

• Like your church, you take the word of two guys, Mark and Luke, who
were not at the Last Supper. The Disciples John and Thomas mention no
wine to blood, bread to flesh miracle at the Last Supper and they were for
damn sure there Duke. The Didache and the Q-Gospel mention it not. The
bottom line is that Jesus/Yeshua was not a "sacrifice" that supposedly
paid for mankind's sins, he was a divine teacher/messenger on a mission.
What constituted His church?
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in
the midst of them"
- - - [Matthew 18:20]
The idea that the RCC is His church does not hold up since the RCC is
rather obviously ruled by corporate ethics.

[�R.Measures]

In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

*** and not eating lobster.

[duke]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 04:26:13 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>Mike Painter wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:31:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
>>> been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."
>>
>> Duke's real name is Earl and if you listen to his idea of what the RCC
>> is you will come away with a mish mash that does not represent The One
>> True Church and is close to an Evangelical version of the church.
>
>Duke is a neo-Nestorian heretic.

Put another way, I believe God. The dual nature of Jesus is so well described
in scripture.

[duke]

What does that have to do with it?

> The Disciples John and Thomas mention no
>wine to blood, bread to flesh miracle at the Last Supper and they were for
>damn sure there Duke.

And Walt Disney didn't offer trips to the moon. What's your point?

> The Didache and the Q-Gospel mention it not. The
>bottom line is that Jesus/Yeshua was not a "sacrifice" that supposedly
>paid for mankind's sins

He paid for our sins???? News to me.

[duke]

1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

[duke]

1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>
>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>
>> *** and not eating lobster.
>
> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

"I wasn't the first one to cherry pick your rules, Dad, big brother Paul
did it first!"

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>
> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven." -- Je Tzu

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 04:26:13 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Painter wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:31:27 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I was just reflecting Duke's opinion. I probably would have
>>>> been more correct if I had just called non-Catholics "heathens."
>>>
>>> Duke's real name is Earl and if you listen to his idea of what the RCC
>>> is you will come away with a mish mash that does not represent The One
>>> True Church and is close to an Evangelical version of the church.
>>
>> Duke is a neo-Nestorian heretic.
>
> Put another way, I believe God. The dual nature of Jesus is so well described
> in scripture.
>

From the Cath. Encl:

"Nestorius and his followers admitted in Christ one moral person, as a
human society forms one moral person; but this moral person results from
the union of two physical persons, just as there are two natures in
Christ. These two persons are united, not physically, but morally, by
means of grace. The heresy of Nestorius was condemned by Celestine I in
the Roman Synod of A.D. 430 and by the Council of Ephesus, A.D. 431, the
Catholic doctrine was again insisted on in the Council of Chalcedon and
the second Council of Constantinople. It follows that the Divine and the
human nature are physically united in Christ."

[linuxgal]

And bowing to statues.

[•R.Measures]

In article <4hsk88dsit0gfsake...@4ax.com>, duke

• If they were't there they know not.

>
> > The Disciples John and Thomas mention no
> >wine to blood, bread to flesh miracle at the Last Supper and they were for
> >damn sure there Duke.
>
> And Walt Disney didn't offer trips to the moon. What's your point?

• They were present and they did not report any bread-wine/ flesh-blood.
event.

>
> > The Didache and the Q-Gospel mention it not. The
> >bottom line is that Jesus/Yeshua was not a "sacrifice" that supposedly
> >paid for mankind's sins
>
> He paid for our sins???? News to me.
>

• Would sin forgiveness for us be possible if Jesus had died of natural
causes?

[•R.Measures]

In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>
> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
> >>
> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >
> >*** and not eating lobster.
>
> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)

• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.

> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>

• Saul obviously never ate fugu.

[•R.Measures]

In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

> •R.Measures wrote:
> > In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> > <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>
> >>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
> >>
> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >
> > *** and not eating lobster.
> >
>
> And bowing to statues.

*** chortle

[duke]

With this diatribe, I assume you're concurring with the dual nature of Christ,
but not the way nestor said it.

[linuxgal]

•R.Measures wrote:
> In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>

>> •R.Measures wrote:
>>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>>
>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>
>>> *** and not eating lobster.
>>>
>> And bowing to statues.
>
> *** chortle
>

And, uh, changing the Sabbath to Sunday.

[duke]

Really!! Their writings are not what Jesus told them personally, but what Jesus
taught the people as related by the people that Jesus taught. I thought you
would AT LEAST understood that.

>> > The Disciples John and Thomas mention no
>> >wine to blood, bread to flesh miracle at the Last Supper and they were for
>> >damn sure there Duke.
>>
>> And Walt Disney didn't offer trips to the moon. What's your point?
>
>• They were present and they did not report any bread-wine/ flesh-blood.
>event.

That's because John's gospel is a letter written to others that belief in Jesus
as Son of God and faith in him is the key to life. He was not writing a record
of the last supper. Matthew, Mark and Luke already did that. I thought you
would AT LEAST understand that.

>> > The Didache and the Q-Gospel mention it not. The
>> >bottom line is that Jesus/Yeshua was not a "sacrifice" that supposedly
>> >paid for mankind's sins

>> He paid for our sins???? News to me.

>• Would sin forgiveness for us be possible if Jesus had died of natural
>causes?

He didn't. If you haven't figured out the cross by now, you are falling behind
rapidly. I thought you would AT LEAST understand that.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>
>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>
>"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
>shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
>heaven." -- Je Tzu

Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:15:35 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>>
>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>
>>> *** and not eating lobster.
>>
>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>
>"I wasn't the first one to cherry pick your rules, Dad, big brother Paul
>did it first!"

Paul learned everything he taught from Jesus. Good grief, you're totally
clueless re Jesus Christ.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:44:02 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:

>In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> duke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>> >>
>> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
>> >
>> >*** and not eating lobster.
>>
>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>
>• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.

Technically, right. He is an Apostle.

>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>>
>• Saul obviously never ate fugu.

You act like you eat a regular diet of it.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:15:35 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>>
>>>> *** and not eating lobster.
>>>
>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>>
>> "I wasn't the first one to cherry pick your rules, Dad, big brother Paul
>> did it first!"
>
> Paul learned everything he taught from Jesus. Good grief, you're totally
> clueless re Jesus Christ.

Assuming it really happened the way Luke recorded it in the book of
Acts, Jesus Christ said exactly three things to Paul, no more and no less:

1. "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?"

2. "I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick
against the pricks."

3. "Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou
must do."

So don't be a prick, Duke.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>
>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>>
>> "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
>> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
>> heaven." -- Je Tzu
>
> Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.

Je Tzu (or "Master Je") is how Taoists refer to the Nazarene. But
you're right, he doesn't offer eternal salvation, being dead.

[duke]

As it was 2 years after the resurrection, Jesus, no longer man but the risen Son
of God. had no trouble instantaneously changing Saul to become a Christian
apostle baptized to be named Paul.

>So don't be a prick, Duke.

You have a long, long way to go in understanding, lg.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:27:54 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>•R.Measures wrote:
>> In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>

>>> •R.Measures wrote:
>>>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>>
>>>> *** and not eating lobster.
>>>>
>>> And bowing to statues.
>>
>> *** chortle

>And, uh, changing the Sabbath to Sunday.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. As a former Catholic, you learned nothing - that's obvious.

God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
one up.

Better luck next time, which in all probability will never come.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:47:13 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>>>
>>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>>>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>>>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>>>
>>> "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
>>> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
>>> heaven." -- Je Tzu
>>
>> Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.
>
>Je Tzu (or "Master Je") is how Taoists refer to the Nazarene. But
>you're right, he doesn't offer eternal salvation, being dead.

Jesus, as son of man, was raised from the dead by God to show man the way to
salvation in example. Too bad JT can't offer you the same.

[Alan Ferris]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:34:06 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>"I wasn't the first one to cherry pick your rules, Dad, big brother Paul
>>did it first!"
>
>Paul learned everything he taught from Jesus. Good grief, you're totally
>clueless re Jesus Christ.

Paul never met Jesus. Jesus taught to the Jews, Paul basterdised his beliefs
and taught to the gentiles.

-----------
"duke:No Catholic has told me I'm wrong.

Bullshit, Earl and you know it. At the very least Scoutlady and I
have both said that you're scum, and those are only the people I can
think of off the top of my head."

"You embarrass me, Earl. If the Church were even halfway what your
example presents it to be, I'd have left a long time ago."
- Fr R Dye
-------------

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
> rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
> known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
> We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
> one up.

The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy. When you
pick some other day, that's forgetting the Sabbath and walking all over
it. Which makes my point that Catholics cherry-pick the commandments.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:21:45 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>
>> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
>> rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
>> known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
>> We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
>> one up.

>The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.

That was 4000 years ago, nominally. Whose calendar do we use? God created for
6 days (maybe on a planet in a nearby galaxy) and then said keep the 7th holy.

You tell me what "day" that is, and I'll confirm that the day of resurrection is
that day if it is.

> When you
>pick some other day, that's forgetting the Sabbath and walking all over
>it. Which makes my point that Catholics cherry-pick the commandments.

There is exactly zero definition about what day is the 7th day.

You play a game, I follow God.

Hang with me, lg. You'll learn something.

[•R.Measures]

In article <lvudnYVyTLpoNhfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

> •R.Measures wrote:
> > In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> > <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> •R.Measures wrote:
> >>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> duke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >>>
> >>> *** and not eating lobster.
> >>>
> >> And bowing to statues.
> >
> > *** chortle
> >
>
> And, uh, changing the Sabbath to Sunday.

*** Indeed and celebrating Jesus' birthday at the Winter Solstice.

[•R.Measures]

In article <gkal889qikme1s3k1...@4ax.com>, duke

• Can any of you believe this?

[•R.Measures]

In article <nbbl88l28e8hgdpfl...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:44:02 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> duke wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry
pick it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >> >
> >> >*** and not eating lobster.
> >>
> >> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> >
> >• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.
>
> Technically, right. He is an Apostle.

• he was a deceiver.

>
> >> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> >> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
> >>
> >• Saul obviously never ate fugu.
>
> You act like you eat a regular diet of it.
>

• I doubt that it's prepared ouside of Japan.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:21:45 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>>> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
>>> rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
>>> known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
>>> We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
>>> one up.
>
>> The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.
>
> That was 4000 years ago, nominally. Whose calendar do we use? God created for
> 6 days (maybe on a planet in a nearby galaxy) and then said keep the 7th holy.
>

Jesus kept Saturday holy. You keep Sunday holy. I think you're in a
world of shit when you run into the Big Guy.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <15jl88lfgfer9um6o...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:47:13 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >duke wrote:
> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> duke wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> duke wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> >>>> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> >>>> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
> >>>
> >>> "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
> >>> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
> >>> heaven." -- Je Tzu
> >>
> >> Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.
> >
> >Je Tzu (or "Master Je") is how Taoists refer to the Nazarene. But
> >you're right, he doesn't offer eternal salvation, being dead.
>
> Jesus, as son of man, was raised from the dead by God to show man the way to
> salvation in example. Too bad JT can't offer you the same.

And too bad that you can't offer evidence that this Jesus person or this
god entity even exist.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:xq6dnYWgVfElSRfN...@giganews.com:

> duke wrote:
>
>> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day
>> is the rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant
>> future would become known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day
>> of Resurrection of the Lord. We Chrisitans have a solid reason for
>> giving God one day in 7. The Jews made one up.
>
> The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy. When you
> pick some other day, that's forgetting the Sabbath and walking all
> over it. Which makes my point that Catholics cherry-pick the
> commandments.

Catholics?

ALL Christians are Cafeteria Christians...........

[Seth lePod]

On Oct 26, 10:48 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:47:13 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >duke wrote:

> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >>> duke wrote:

> >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> duke wrote:
>
> >>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible.  We don't cherry pick it.
> >>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>
> >>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> >>>>    25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> >>>> conscience, 26 for, The earth is the Lord s, and everything in it.
>

:
> >>> "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
> >>> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
> >>> heaven." -- Je Tzu

:
> >> Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.

:
> >Je Tzu (or "Master Je") is how Taoists refer to the Nazarene. But
> >you're right, he doesn't offer eternal salvation, being dead.

:
> Jesus, as son of man, was raised from the dead by God to show man the way to
> salvation in example. Too bad JT can't offer you the same.

Amazing, simply amazing.

You planning on keeping this going for some time more,
linuxgal, or are you going to pull the reveal
soon?


Seth

[duke]

Easier than believing Herod's demise absolutely came in 4BC.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:04:43 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:

>In article <nbbl88l28e8hgdpfl...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:44:02 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke
>> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> >> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> duke wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry
>pick it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
>> >> >
>> >> >*** and not eating lobster.
>> >>
>> >> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>> >
>> >• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.
>>
>> Technically, right. He is an Apostle.
>
>• he was a deceiver.

Not according to God. He was a converted Jew that became an Apostle.

>> >> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>> >> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

>> >• Saul obviously never ate fugu.
>> You act like you eat a regular diet of it.

>• I doubt that it's prepared ouside of Japan.

The 747 was delayed that day?

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:44:48 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:21:45 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
>>>> rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
>>>> known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
>>>> We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
>>>> one up.
>>
>>> The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.
>>
>> That was 4000 years ago, nominally. Whose calendar do we use? God created for
>> 6 days (maybe on a planet in a nearby galaxy) and then said keep the 7th holy.

>Jesus kept Saturday holy.

Jesus in the flesh was born and raised a Jew. What else would he do?

> You keep Sunday holy. I think you're in a
>world of shit when you run into the Big Guy.

Not a chance of that - at least for that reason. WE know the day Jesus rose
from the dead. Nobody knows how "Saturday" became the true sabbath with the
mishmash of calendars all screwed up from eons past.

[duke]

Yep, the "new" light coming out of the darkness of sin.

[duke]

And atheists are the main course at satan's banquet. Welcome home.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:59:42 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

Fortunately God revealed it to us. That's the beautiful part about God. He
teaches us and guides us and leads us to his heavenly kingdom..

May your rock lead you to nirvana of your choice.

[duke]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:15:20 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 26, 10:48�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:47:13 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >duke wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:17:24 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> duke wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:07:01 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> duke wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. �We don't cherry pick it.
>> >>>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>>
>> >>>> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>> >>>> � �25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
>> >>>> conscience, 26 for, The earth is the Lord s, and everything in it.
>>
>
>:
>> >>> "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
>> >>> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
>> >>> heaven." -- Je Tzu
>
>:
>> >> Je Tzu does not offer you eternal salvation.
>
>:
>> >Je Tzu (or "Master Je") is how Taoists refer to the Nazarene. But
>> >you're right, he doesn't offer eternal salvation, being dead.
>
>:
>> Jesus, as son of man, was raised from the dead by God to show man the way to
>> salvation in example. Too bad JT can't offer you the same.
>
>
>Amazing, simply amazing.
>
>You planning on keeping this going for some time more,
>linuxgal, or are you going to pull the reveal
>soon?

Her handle is broken.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> Fortunately God revealed it to us. That's the beautiful part about God.

The only part of God human beings have ever seen is his ass.

Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
parts: but my face shall not be seen.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> Not a chance of that - at least for that reason. WE know the day Jesus rose
> from the dead. Nobody knows how "Saturday" became the true sabbath with the
> mishmash of calendars all screwed up from eons past.

Even when folks went from their ancient lunar calendar to Caesar's solar
calendar, or from that calendar to Gregory's one, it only affected the
numbers of the days. No one ever had to do two Mondays in a row. So
try again.

[•R.Measures]

In article <sijn889fqot13bdhi...@4ax.com>, duke

• Most historians do.

[•R.Measures]

In article <2ljn88hsr7auuolu9...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:04:43 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <nbbl88l28e8hgdpfl...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:44:02 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke
> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >> >> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> duke wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry
> >pick it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >*** and not eating lobster.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
> >> >
> >> >• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.
> >>
> >> Technically, right. He is an Apostle.
> >
> >• he was a deceiver.
>
> Not according to God. He was a converted Jew that became an Apostle.
>

• He played the Persecution Card expertly.

> >> >> 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of
> >> >> conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
>
> >> >• Saul obviously never ate fugu.
> >> You act like you eat a regular diet of it.
>
> >• I doubt that it's prepared ouside of Japan.
>
> The 747 was delayed that day?
>

• Preparing fugu is tricky. The fish must be alive while it is filleted
and the chef must be licensed by the government of Japan. One mistake and
it's RIP. One fugu can kill 30 humans - however the flesh is reportedly
delish. Scrap fugu parts must be burned in an incenerator. Fugu sell
for c. $300 each in Tokyo's Tsukiji fish market.
Bon appetit Massa Duke..

[•R.Measures]

In article <6tjn8815a56emut13...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:01:20 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <lvudnYVyTLpoNhfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> •R.Measures wrote:
> >> > In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >> > <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> •R.Measures wrote:
> >> >>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >> >>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> duke wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry
pick it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *** and not eating lobster.
> >> >>>
> >> >> And bowing to statues.
> >> >
> >> > *** chortle
> >> >
> >>
> >> And, uh, changing the Sabbath to Sunday.
> >
> >*** Indeed and celebrating Jesus' birthday at the Winter Solstice.
>
> Yep, the "new" light coming out of the darkness of sin.
>

• If he was reportedly 33 and 1/2 when he was offed he for damn sure was
born c. Mithra's birthday on the Winter Solstice.

[duke]

About a 10 year float.

[duke]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:52:03 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:

>In article <2ljn88hsr7auuolu9...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:04:43 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <nbbl88l28e8hgdpfl...@4ax.com>, duke
>> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:44:02 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <84tk88p3um62qmedb...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> >> >> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> duke wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry
>> >pick it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*** and not eating lobster.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (New International Version)
>> >> >
>> >> >• Saul of Tarsus was not a Disciple.
>> >>
>> >> Technically, right. He is an Apostle.
>> >
>> >• he was a deceiver.
>>
>> Not according to God. He was a converted Jew that became an Apostle.

>• He played the Persecution Card expertly.

That come before his conversion.

[duke]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:52:36 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>
>> Not a chance of that - at least for that reason. WE know the day Jesus rose
>> from the dead. Nobody knows how "Saturday" became the true sabbath with the
>> mishmash of calendars all screwed up from eons past.
>
>Even when folks went from their ancient lunar calendar to Caesar's solar
>calendar, or from that calendar to Gregory's one, it only affected the
>numbers of the days.

There you go. In the earliest Jewish tradition, they numbered the weekdays.

[duke]

Absolutely not. Jesus was born sometime in the spring. We celebrate his
birthday on Dec 25.

[duke]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:48:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>
>> Fortunately God revealed it to us. That's the beautiful part about God.
>
>The only part of God human beings have ever seen is his ass.

Actually, no one has EVER seen God. God in the flesh in the person of Jesus
Christ is the closest we've come.

>Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
>parts: but my face shall not be seen.

John 1:18 (New International Version)
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a]
is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

You really were a very, very weak Catholic, weren't you.

[Syd M.]

On Oct 27, 1:50 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:54:08 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R.Measures) wrote:

> >In article <6tjn8815a56emut13ecboaoanp2ao6b...@4ax.com>, duke

> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:01:20 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R.Measures) wrote:
>

> >> >In article <lvudnYVyTLpoNhfNnZ2dnUVZ_tqdn...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> >> ><linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> •R.Measures wrote:
> >> >> > In article <mt6dncfSqr8GExfNnZ2dnUVZ_j6dn...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

> >> >> > <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> •R.Measures wrote:

> >> >> >>> In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTNnZ2dnUVZ_rCdn...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

> >> >> >>> <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>> duke wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible.  We don't cherry
> >pick it.
>
> >> >> >>>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>
> >> >> >>> ***  and not eating lobster.
>
> >> >> >> And bowing to statues.
>
> >> >> > ***  chortle
>
> >> >> And, uh, changing the Sabbath to Sunday.
>
> >> >***  Indeed and celebrating Jesus' birthday at the Winter Solstice.
>
> >> Yep, the "new" light coming out of the darkness of sin.
>
> >  If he was reportedly 33 and 1/2 when he was offed he for damn sure was
> >born c. Mithra's birthday on the Winter Solstice.
>
> Absolutely not.  Jesus was born sometime in the spring.  We celebrate his
> birthday on Dec 25.
>
>

If he was born in the spring, why not celebrate it then, loser?

[Mike Painter]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:

>In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal

><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
>>
>> Except the part about not eating pork.
>
>*** and not eating lobster.

And working on the Sabbath which is the seventh day of the week.
And not killing those who do.
And collecting interest.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in news:1qGdnV9BP-
yTexbNnZ2dn...@giganews.com:

> duke wrote:
>
>> Fortunately God revealed it to us. That's the beautiful part about God.
>
> The only part of God human beings have ever seen is his ass.
>
> Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
> parts: but my face shall not be seen.
>

Compare and contrast:


"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as
a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life
is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

[Alan Ferris]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:44:48 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:21:45 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> God created 6 days and rested the 7th day. No body can say which day is the
>>>> rest day, or 7th. The Jews picked a day that in the distant future would become
>>>> known as Saturday. The Christians picked the day of Resurrection of the Lord.
>>>> We Chrisitans have a solid reason for giving God one day in 7. The Jews made
>>>> one up.
>>
>>> The commandment says REMEMBER the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.
>>
>> That was 4000 years ago, nominally. Whose calendar do we use? God created for
>> 6 days (maybe on a planet in a nearby galaxy) and then said keep the 7th holy.
>>
>
>Jesus kept Saturday holy. You keep Sunday holy. I think you're in a
>world of shit when you run into the Big Guy.

Indeed, just like they forget that Jesus was a Jew and taught to only the Jews.

----
"He lets you hang a noose around your gonads and jump if that's what you want."
duke (Earl Weber) explaining sex with Barker

[Alan Ferris]

Poor Earl, 4BC is the latest it could have occurred according to Catholic
Scholars....are you claiming you know more than your church?

----
"The Bishops elect the Pope - just like I have always said."
- duke (Earl Weber)
----

[Alan Ferris]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:53:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>Actually, no one has EVER seen God

Exodus 24:10 "...and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet
there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire...”

[Alan Ferris]

And:

Exodus 24:10 "...and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet
there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire...”

Poor Earl never learnt to read the bible

----
"Isn't Ireland to the south of London."
"And I never said South."
"I never lie"
- duke (Earl J Weber)
----

[linuxgal]

Alan Ferris wrote:

> Poor Earl never learnt to read the bible
>

All Duke is managing to do is highlight the fact that the Bible is more
chock-a-block full of holes than an unsolicited time-travel novel
manuscript from a thirteen year old boy.

[•R.Measures]

In article <rq6o88dr6cn157bt7...@4ax.com>, duke

• the write-once uncorrectable memory.

[•R.Measures]

In article <4s6o88hus3rqh202c...@4ax.com>, duke

• there was no conversion.

[•R.Measures]

In article <sh7o885euol1p3op5...@4ax.com>, duke

• how old was when he was executed?

[•R.Measures]

In article <859o88lhtcec4m3h6...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

<mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:10:36 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <4MidnVSihrPMYxTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> ><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>
> >> > We Catholics follow the entirety of the bible. We don't cherry pick it.
> >>
> >> Except the part about not eating pork.
> >
> >*** and not eating lobster.
>
> And working on the Sabbath which is the seventh day of the week.
> And not killing those who do.
> And collecting interest.
> --

• on and on and on.

[duke]

You're all alone on the ultimate accuracy, rl.

[duke]

Wow, then the bible outright lies.

[duke]

33 nominally.

[duke]

ABBA.

[duke]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:35:15 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:

John 1:18 (New International Version)
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a]
is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

[duke]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:03:45 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>Alan Ferris wrote:
>
>> Poor Earl never learnt to read the bible
>>
>
>All Duke is managing to do is highlight the fact that the Bible is more
>chock-a-block full of holes than an unsolicited time-travel novel
>manuscript from a thirteen year old boy.

Heeheehee.

[Syd M.]

On Oct 28, 9:13 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:03:45 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >Alan Ferris wrote:
>
> >> Poor Earl never learnt to read the bible
>
> >All Duke is managing to do is highlight the fact that the Bible is more
> >chock-a-block full of holes than an unsolicited time-travel novel
> >manuscript from a thirteen year old boy.
>
> Heeheehee.
>
>

Laughing because you can't refute them, Dork?

[•R.Measures]

In article <ucbq88hnu24avon7b...@4ax.com>, duke

• ____

[•R.Measures]

In article <9fbq88p9164aile3h...@4ax.com>, duke

• Saul of Tarsus did.

[•R.Measures]

In article <qgbq88psfgm9a6hme...@4ax.com>, duke

�• 33 and 1/2.