If there is no God, why then do Atheists get so enraged when someone post's the gospel ?
old man joe
we can never suppose for even a moment that out of the goodness of their hardened heart's
the Atheist's want to do the elect a favor and enlighten us to what ' facts' they offer to
prove to us there is no God. instead, the get enraged. such certainly bring's the
working's of Jn. 15:19 to bear on the believer.
why do they get so enraged if they as so sure there is no God ?
their emotionally driven outburst's of anger display that indeed, God has made Himself
evident to them, just as He says in Ro. 1:18,19. but they also know, contrary to the
signals they send out, that they are abandoned by the Living God just as we read in Eph.
2:12 and Ro. 1:24... " wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts... "
they need to vent their frustration over this so they somehow think that converting the
elect to Atheism by their shouting's is the real answer to their life's questions... as if
any among the elect want also to be abandoned by God... an impossibility since salvation
is " freely bestowed " on His chosen ones, ( Eph. 1: 3-13 v.6 ) and is irrevocable.
Ro. 11:29
amazingly, one Atheist posts his assumption that God is no more than a
" mental construct " in the minds of His called ones. then he goes about posting his
exegesis on certain verses as though darkness has fellowship with light. he did not
choose to expound the Holy Scriptures concerning how it came to be that the Living God
elected to salvation four particular men while they were yet fetuses.
the ' faith ' in the Living God in Christ this Atheist claims only stupid people have,
since it's nothing more than a " mental construct, " also then applies to these 4
fetuses... how it can be that these four fetuses mentally constructed a God in their
pre-mature minds the Atheists don't care to expound.
this also raises the question of why is it that Atheist's try so desperately to prove from
the Word of God that there is no God. that's tantamount to standing in front of a mirror
and arguing that the reflection isn't me.
and what is a professing Atheist doing with a Bible anyway ? a Bible in the house should
be the last thing a professing Atheist would ever want near him.
so you see, Atheists are more that Satan's con men.
curtjester1
It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
good agenda!! There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..to
elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
someday...:).
CJ
rod
> we can never suppose for even a moment that out of the goodness of their hardened heart's
> the Atheist's want to do the elect a favor and enlighten us to what ' facts' they offer to
> prove to us there is no God. instead, the get enraged. such certainly bring's the
> working's of Jn. 15:19 to bear on the believer.
>
> why do they get so enraged if they as so sure there is no God ?
I'm still waiting for you to prove that god is something other than
a figment of your imagination....
Whats your hold up this time ?
--
I'm trying to figure out if (<<Kelly>>) is so unalterably dimwitted to
be pitied or the prodigy of a zoo monkey.
Yikes! I just had a horrible thought. What if Jimmy Alpha and
(<<Kelly>>)should get together and procreate? I would think the result
would be quite horrid, all ears and no forehead, completely furry and
wearing and a blue cravat. :)
MU...
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
a figment of your imagination....
Whats your hold up this time ?"
Jesus proved Himself to me, but why
are you "wasting" your time arguing
with people who you think are like
people who believe in faeries?
Get a life, eat, drink, and be marry
for tomorrow you die.
Jim
Heb 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:
bob young
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
> "I'm still waiting for you to prove that god is something other than
> a figment of your imagination....
>
> Whats your hold up this time ?"
>
> Jesus proved Himself to me,
I doubt it.
What you expound is an experience, not far removed
from a condition generally referred to as 'mass hysteria'.
How exactly did 'he' prove himself ?
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
Morals, sin, love - all these are human attributes that are clutched onto by religionists and
used in a vain effort to make their myths appear to be real.
Just for the record - you have no monopoly on these human attributes and atheists have no need
to use them when denying the existence of gods.
All we need to do is ask you to prove your particular one, which you cannot do,. Therefore
teaching young innocent children to follow such banal concepts borders on the criminal. THAT
is why some atheists, such as myself, are here.
Without the brainwashing of innocents mentioned above is it doubtful there would be any suicide
bombers around who are prepared to kill in the name of their god. The fact that there, are
speaks volumes.
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....
See above re suicide bombers. Want another reason ? The next word war will be nuclear and no
doubt between Islamic and Christian countries. A third of the world population could well be
wiped out by the protagonists, all in the names of their imaginary gods. I prefer that those
on both sides live, rather than dying for lost causes.
> trying to prove a negative..to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant,
Arrogance belongs to believers, as they ilustrate on a daily basis.
Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
> and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by.
I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
ingenuity, intelligence and science
> It would be
> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> someday...:).
[The above - not worth addressing]
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
RWKnapp
> "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
> > "I'm still waiting for you to prove that god is something other than
> > a figment of your imagination....
>
> > Whats your hold up this time ?"
>
> > Jesus proved Himself to me,
>
> I doubt it.
> What you expound is an experience, not far removed
> from a condition generally referred to as 'mass hysteria'.
That is what the Communist USSR and the CCCP tried and so far have
failed.
>
> How exactly did 'he' prove himself ?
That is personal, and really between God and the person, do you prove
your married by telling people about your personal life. I and
millions of others know just what he means as God does not hide, to
them that are His. Just because I never seen you does not mean you
are not. God is and you are a nobody, not important to prove anything
to. I have a cat, you never seen my cat, and there is no need for me
to prove there is a cat. My cat is more important then what you want
or know. Now if you were my brother or family, I may or may not show
you the cat, it does not matter if you believe or don't, it will not
change the facts, or truth about this. God is not at your calling you
may call your master the one called Devil, Satan or just the evil one.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
> "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
> > "I'm still waiting for you to prove that god is something other than
> > a figment of your imagination....
>
> > Whats your hold up this time ?"
>
> > Jesus proved Himself to me,
>
> I doubt it.
> What you expound is an experience, not far removed
> from a condition generally referred to as 'mass hysteria'.
>
> How exactly did 'he' prove himself ?
>
My parents were ex-Catholics, and I was
raised on books that taught evolution
and why the Bible was wrong. My favorite
book was the The Glob_ by John O'Reilly, illustrated by
Walt Kelly of _Pogo_
, it was illustrated, and
showed an ameba that went through the evolutionary
stages to become man.
After college, I got a job with the city of
New York. It was the winter of 1967, and I
was staying in the Broadway Central Hotel,
now demolished. One Saturday night, I thought
I would get breakfast Sunday morning at the
Harri Krisna group, then on Second ave, NYC.
I liked the dancing and chanting, and the bowl
of oatmeal contained raisens, and was vey sweet.
I put the beads they use on a hardwood chair.
When the alarm rang Sunday morning, I washed
up and put in my contact lense. When I went to pick up
the beads on the chair, I could not find them. I
looked on the floor, but still couldn't find them.
A thought then came through my head that there
was a reason for this. So I went back to sleep.
Later a woman called whom I hadn't seen for a while.
She asked me to go to a new church she found with
her boyfriend. It was called the Climate of Faith, and it met
at the St. George Hotel in Brooklyn. They talked
a lot about following the glory cloud. When I got
back to my room later, I looked on the chair and the beads were there.
At lunch, I would sometimes go to St. Paul's Chapel
in NYC. Behind the alter at St. Paul's is a glory cloud.
At the time I didn't think to much about it.
I left the Climate of Faith after a while and told
myself, I didn't believe it.
In December, 1973, I was living on 6th st, near Ave B.
and the girl who sometimes stayed with me had left,
and I was lonely. So, I went to a Christian coffe shop
in the West Village, because I thought, you know Christians
by their love. I asked about a church, I could go to
and someone told me about a house church in the West Village.
I believe a Roger Fulton ran it. When I went to the
service, I didn't like it. After the service a man named Dick,
who I had never met before, came over to me. He asked me, if I
wanted to go to a New Years service in the apartment of
an Episcopal priest. I thought the Episcopalians wouldn't
be as crazy as the West Village Church.
I went there New Years Eve and found the girls to be nice.
The priest's parish was St. Paul's Chapel. I went to
his Bible studies, since the girls were nice. In one
study, he spoke of Genesis as if it was true. I asked
to speak to him privately in the future.
When I spoke to him, I said, we both have been to college,
you know Genesis is not true. He said, to me, "Scripture
doesn't lie."I thought to myself that is a tautology.
That night before I went to bed I picked up "Good News
for Modern Man". I just opened it and began to read in
I Corinthians, I came to where Paul said, "We vhave the
mind of Christ". I thought to myself, I don't believe it.
When I lied down, I saw a white light(I think it was a vision),
I heard the words, I am the Way, the Life, and the Resurrection.
The light went completly through me, and I realized I
had eternal life. I thought, now I know what it means,
to be born again
Since that time the Lord has given me a wife, 3 children,
four Grandchildren, and has been with me since then.
Pax Christi,
Jim
curtjester1
idiot type of thinking would go behind that?
> Without the brainwashing of innocents mentioned above is it doubtful there would be any suicide
> bombers around who are prepared to kill in the name of their god. The fact that there, are
> speaks volumes.
>
How unthoughtout. Who cares about that small number when govt's send
their people off to war all the time for the spoils of insider
corporate deals, stock leveragings via insider trading, monopolized
reconstruction projects, while getting approval through Ponzi schemed
creating of 'counterfeit' fiat money that bankrupt's countries? Of
course all the Satanic ritual behind people like that have been
discovered through infiltrations of the last umpteen years.
> > There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> > spend the time doing what they do,....
>
> See above re suicide bombers. Want another reason ? The next word war will be nuclear and no
> doubt between Islamic and Christian countries. A third of the world population could well be
> wiped out by the protagonists, all in the names of their imaginary gods. I prefer that those
> on both sides live, rather than dying for lost causes.
>
Right. Only propagandists like to use religion as an excuse invade
lands like our country does to make it sound like a Christian piece of
good character if they do. The churches only go along with that. The
elitist, money-backed propagandists are the ones that get these
usually false flag things going at the expense of anyone's daughter or
sons, except usually their own.
> > trying to prove a negative..to
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant,
>
> Arrogance belongs to believers, as they ilustrate on a daily basis.
>
It really isn't arrogant to love ones neighbor and to love one's enemy
also, as Jesus explained.
> Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
> > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> > It would be
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> [The above - not worth addressing]
>
Why? Because the Senate Budget Committee's appraisal on Nov 10th,
2009 that showed that the real budget is in accrued accounting terms
over 60 trillion dollars which is about $175K for each bank account,
and between $5-6K for every household in just DEBT? There isn't
enough money printed to pay off the debt. You trust a Ponzi scheme
for your 'guidance'?
CJ
> Bob
> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> Man creates his gods in his own image,
> then spends the rest of his life
> manipulating them to his heart's content
>
> R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
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RWKnapp
Thank you for sharing, as a lot of your story would fit my life, my
wife's dad was dying with heart problems and given less then a month
to live. He went to a Church service because someone keep telling
him, God could heal and all he wanted was to die in peace. He want to
get that person off his back, and was prayed for and in the middle of
the night hours after he was prayed for, he woke up and the room was
full of a bright light and he was healed and his heart was made new.
That was when he was 24 years old, he died later at 87 years latter
and the doctors said his heart like that of a young man. God does a
great Joe, then those doctors all died long before my wife's dad
did. I have had Angels in my room with another person at Bible
College and we both seen the Angels and a lot of things happen that
proved with God nothing is limited or impossibility. Then all the
Atheist says is they do not believe it, and you can not prove it, as
it happen years ago, and they seem to think man made such things
happen and we have some kind of power to tell God what He can do and
what, where and how. God met me in His way and His time, and has been
with me daily for over fifty five years now. I was born in Jersey
City NJ, so know a lot of your story. God protected me for four years
in the Jungles and my family has been blessed and still are.
God bless,
Raymond
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
See what God does do in the lifes in Asia that God sent me to.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
I know many won't believe you. I was the same
way until God showed me. Remember,
2Ti 1:12 - For the which cause I also suffer these things:
nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am
persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him
against that day.
God bless,
Jim
mani deli
<curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> we can never suppose for even a moment that out of the goodness of their hardened heart's
>> the Atheist's want to do the elect a favor and enlighten us to what ' facts' they offer to
>> prove to us there is no God. �instead, the get enraged. �such certainly bring's the
>> working's of Jn. 15:19 to bear on the believer.
The rage is in your imagination.
"So long as men are not trained to withhold judgment in the absence of
evidence, they will be led astray by cocksure prophets, and it is
likely that their leaders will be either ignorant fanatics or
dishonest charlatans." Bertrand Russell
bob young
RWKnapp wrote:
> On Dec 14, 9:52 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
> > > "I'm still waiting for you to prove that god is something other than
> > > a figment of your imagination....
> >
> > > Whats your hold up this time ?"
> >
> > > Jesus proved Himself to me,
> >
> > I doubt it.
> > What you expound is an experience, not far removed
> > from a condition generally referred to as 'mass hysteria'.
>
> That is what the Communist USSR and the CCCP tried and so far have
> failed.
not so - it worked for over thirty years.
Hitler did the same, his worked for about twelve years with Pope Pius Xi on
board as well
>
> >
> > How exactly did 'he' prove himself ?
>
> That is personal, and really between God and the person,
nice cop ut
> do you prove
> your married by telling people about your personal life.
Pointless comment
> I and
> millions of others know just what he means as God does not hide, to
> them that are His.
Indeed. same applies to Muslims with their Allah and Hindus with their
[plethora of gods, they all say the same thing although the gods are
different
> Just because I never seen you does not mean you
> are not.
nothing to do with the subject
> God is and you are a nobody, not important to prove anything
> to.
Prove that god is then
> I have a cat, you never seen my cat, and there is no need for me
> to prove there is a cat.
Lunacy
> My cat is more important then what you want
> or know. Now if you were my brother or family, I may or may not show
> you the cat, it does not matter if you believe or don't, it will not
> change the facts, or truth about this. God is not at your calling you
> may call your master the one called Devil, Satan or just the evil one.
Now let us start again shall we - how does god prove himself ?
bob young
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
You call this 'proof'. All it proves is that you have been lucky.
I can tell you a plethorta of stories of human tradegy which, by your
standard of reasoning, proves that no gods exist at all !!!
E.g. any member of your congregation who has a baby that arrives mentally
retarded, crippled, blind, deaf - the list goes on and on.
Grow up Jim
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
True - those are normal concepts of humanism, used by Jesus
and by most other preachers to try to attract members into their own particular clubs.
>
> > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
> >
> How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
No - simply lunacy on your part.
Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
gross deception - period.
>
> > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
Your inability to address my point duly noted.
But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
What ever happened to the beads,
or did your unbelief block that out?
Mt 12:39 -But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous
generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to
it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Who Moved the Stone? (Paperback)
~ Frank Morison
Frank Morison (Author)
Product Description
The author began to write this book with the intention of disproving
the Resurrection but found instead that the evidence supported the
biblical story. This recognized classic is an examination of his
research and the evidence he found.
From the Back Cover
"I owe Morison a great debt of gratitude. Who Moved the Stone? was an
important early link in a long chain of evidence that God used to
bring me into his kingdom. Morison’s stirring intellectual exploration
of the historical record proved to be an excellent starting point for
my spiritual investigation." --From the foreword by Lee Strobel
English journalist Frank Morison had a tremendous drive to learn of
Christ. The strangeness of the Resurrection story had captured his
attention, and, influenced by skeptic thinkers at the turn of the
century, he set out to prove that the story of Christ’s Resurrection
was only a myth. His probings, however, led him to discover the
validity of the biblical record in a moving, personal way.
Who Moved the Stone? is considered by many to be a classic apologetic
on the subject of the Resurrection. Morison includes a vivid and
poignant account of Christ’s betrayal, trial, and death as a backdrop
to his retelling of the climactic Resurrection itself. Among the
chapter titles are: * The Book That Refused to Be Written * The Real
Case Against the Prisoner * What Happened Before Midnight on Thursday
* Between Sunset and Dawn * The Witness of the Great Stone * Some
Realities of That Far-off Morning
Who Moved the Stone? is a well-researched book that is as fascinating
in its appeal to reason as it is accurate to the truthfulness of the
Resurrection.
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-Stone-Frank-Morison/dp/0310295610
Jim
Mr 16:6 - And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of
Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the
place where they laid him.
bob young
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" wrote:
>
> >
>
> What ever happened to the beads,
> or did your unbelief block that out?
I see you dodge away from the points above without adressing them as usual Jim.
How pleased i am to be an atheist.
default
wrote:
>You call this 'proof'. All it proves is that you have been lucky.
Doubtless he's a prime candidate for that geek that gets on TV every
Sunday asking for a $1,000 "seed." so he can pray that you be
rewarded one hundred/thousand fold . . .
Disclaimer: Only God can perform miracles and your results may not be
the same as another's.
I love this guy, and watch him nearly every Sunday, it is priceless
entertainment IMO. Mike, The bigger the seed, the bigger the miracle,
Murdoch.
He starts his spiels with a bible quote each week (not necessarily
taken in context) and over the course of the hour gradually shifts it
around to giving him money until the show is only about money.
http://www.mikemurdock.com/ (but I'd only visit with a Firefox
browser locked down to the max - there's a lot of stuff going on
there)
>
>I can tell you a plethorta of stories of human tradegy which, by your
>standard of reasoning, proves that no gods exist at all !!!
Now where's your indoctrination? To the truly afflicted Religionist,
what you and I might see as a God dumping on us, the Religionist will
merely chalk it up to God "testing their faith," or "giving them a
cross to bear," or "increasing their suffering so they may offer it to
the Lord as prayer." First rule of the Godlike is that GOD CAN DO NO
WRONG, SO FIND ANOTHER EXPLANATION ! ! !
The religionist starts with a premise, then finds an alternative
reality, that allows him to believe the premise.
Quite simple really. Where's you "faith?"
>
>E.g. any member of your congregation who has a baby that arrives mentally
>retarded, crippled, blind, deaf - the list goes on and on.
Ah YES, those are the truly "blessed by god." They get to claim
paradise based on "their loving care and hardship," all the while
basking in the pity of their Christian supporters, while not enduring
said hardship (belay that - "blessing") themselves.
Munchausen by proxy. It doesn't get any better than that!
AND it ain't all bad the retarded, crippled, blind, deaf etc., are
just like pets. Sarah Palin capitalized on it, soak up the pity, play
with the pet, and people think you are a saint.
--
curtjester1
an 'enemy', and to go against it via their special interest group
affiliation...and mostly that's secular hijinx.
>
> > > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
> > How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> > happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
>
> No - simply lunacy on your part.
>
Oh really, when you are spouting you think you know where people go
when they die?
> Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
Politicians make up stuff all the time. Hardly seems there's any
force behind anything you say. Most special interest groups are
shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
> IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> gross deception - period.
>
>
Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
>
Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
CJ
Douglas
>Not true. As most other religions define a 'just' conduct to not love
>an 'enemy', and to go against it via their special interest group
>affiliation...and mostly that's secular hijinx.
>
Rule"..."do unto others as you would have done unto you", or as in the
case of Buddhism, "Do not do unto others as you would not have done to
you". The same thing really. The point is, that one does not have to
subscribe to ANY religion to be able to live the "good life". As a
securlarist, humanist and atheist/agnostic I can be just as good as a
so-called religionist. In fact probably better, as I do not HATE
otheres who follow differnet lights, and do not agree with me. It
seems to me that religious people have an abiding hatred for all those
who do not agree with them
Patrick
Why do you go out of your way to insult Christians?
Is this part of your "golden rule" thang?
bob young
default wrote:
I enjoyed your post - many thanks
Bob
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
People degenerate when they die like animals - they don't 'GO' anywhere.
If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
the same smell until only their bones are left.
That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
past and present
>
>
> > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
> >
> Politicians make up stuff all the time.
Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
club helping another human club - pure and simple
> Hardly seems there's any
> force behind anything you say.
Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
> Most special interest groups are
> shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > gross deception - period.
> >
> >
> Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
>
> >
> > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> >
> > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
> >
> >
> Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
longer !
Your nym is highly appropriate
Bob
curtjester1
> > > > > Example - teling others that if they follow one god they will go to a heaven and live forever,
> > > > > totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
> > > > How could it be 'lying' when you haven't died to tell us what really
> > > > happens? That's a 'deception' on your part.
>
> > > No - simply lunacy on your part.
>
> > Oh really, when you are spouting you think you know where people go
> > when they die?
>
> People degenerate when they die like animals - they don't 'GO' anywhere.
>
Lots of things degenerate besides living things. Lots of people have
witnessed resurrections and told about it. Why believe where you are
trying to say they are 'Going'?
> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> past and present
>
>
Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
after they die. So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
by their research and experiences. Superstitions happen to the
religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
>
> > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
> > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
>
> Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> club helping another human club - pure and simple
>
And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
> > Hardly seems there's any
> > force behind anything you say.
>
> Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
of all entertainment levels even if true.
> > Most special interest groups are
> > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > gross deception - period.
>
> > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
>
Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
$500-600K? Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
> > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
>
> What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> longer !
>
> Your nym is highly appropriate
>
And your point about a heart transplant is? Is it doing anything
wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...I guess because
they didn't think of it first.
CJ
> Bob
>
> R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
Bob's Atheism is a religion that tries to prove another religion wrong
when it can't do so under the guidlines of debate, that being trying
to prove a negative. What a religion!!
CJ
bob young
curtjester1 wrote:
arrant bull crap
> Why believe where you are
> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> > If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> > the same smell until only their bones are left.
> >
> How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> > That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> > past and present
> >
> >
> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> after they die.
sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> by their research and experiences.
'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is 'sin'
They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good decent elements of humanity and try to
claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in gods ?
> Superstitions happen to the
> religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
religions are based on superstition ' you think ?
>
>
> >
> > > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
> >
> > > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
> >
> > Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> > club helping another human club - pure and simple
> >
> And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
> being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
> infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
> are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
> being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
>
> > > Hardly seems there's any
> > > force behind anything you say.
> >
> > Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
> >
> Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
> propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
> of all entertainment levels even if true.
nice dodge - now answer my point. I will repeat it for you . . . .
Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
>
> > > Most special interest groups are
> > > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
> >
> > > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > > gross deception - period.
> >
> > > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
> >
> > What has this to do with the current subject ?
> >
> >
> Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
> would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
> plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
> problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
> either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
S T O P R I G H T T H E R E.
Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>
> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> $500-600K?
Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
> Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
> society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> >
> > > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
> >
> > > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
> >
> > > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
> >
> > > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
> >
> > > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
> >
> > What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> > longer !
> >
> > Your nym is highly appropriate
> >
> And your point about a heart transplant is?
Very appropriate since an all loving god would have made good and sure that medics back in the days of Jesus
and before would have been able to save lives by carrying out heart transplants. But NO, it had to wait for
science thousands of years later. So my point is this - gods are inactive, irrelevant and powerless - IOW
Imagined by man and propagated by man - right along the lines that you follow
> Is it doing anything
> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other lies squarely in the realms of
humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for murdering his eighteen year old
daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is religion for you and THAT does
not figure in atheism.
Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for folks like you:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual
honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism
is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion
at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity
in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Parish *~
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
good agenda!!
::: And you have PROOF they have no morals? Where is your proof or evidence?
Where are the morals of the JW elders who sexually abused children and the
elders who hid them and kept their filthy little secret?
There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
::: Since it's YOU who claim there are Gods, it's up to YOU to produce the
scientific irrefutable evidence of their existence.
to
elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
assuredness that they have something to stand by.
::: What have YOU got to stand by?
It would be
hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
someday...:).
CJ
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of making money."
* * * * * * * *
mani deli
Babble is laughable.
Patrick
> Enraged theists love to imagine that atheists are enraged. Most Bible
> Babble is laughable.
I can't wait to see you in a casket.
All dressed up and no place to go.....
curtjester1
care less if people believe in the Evolution god or the man on the
moon god.
> > Why believe where you are
> > trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> > > If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they both rot in the same way and make
> > > the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
> > How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> > test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> > > That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed superstitions are well known, both
> > > past and present
>
> > Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> > reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> > after they die.
>
> sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
> are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
>
What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
> > So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> > matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> > by their research and experiences.
>
> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is 'sin'
>
A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good decent elements of humanity and try to
> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>
Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in gods ?
>
I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
shallow.
> > Superstitions happen to the
> > religious as well as non-religious, don't you think?
>
> religions are based on superstition ' you think ?
>
>
Nooo, just that there is an engineer behind it all says a lot for
some.
>
> > > > > Any preacher could make up a story slightly different to the one made by me above
> > > > > and then you could use the same silly argument to rebuff it.
>
> > > > Politicians make up stuff all the time.
>
> > > Indeed and they are not far removed from the religious, they join forces when the need arises, one human
> > > club helping another human club - pure and simple
>
> > And many are in the other realm as well. They will even lie about
> > being religious to get votes. They have been known to be
> > infiltrated and spoke of doing quite satanic ritualistic things that
> > are quite pagan and barbaric. Blue suits aren't a carte blanche for
> > being sophisticated and ensuring good behaviors.
>
> > > > Hardly seems there's any
> > > > force behind anything you say.
>
> > > Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
> > Funny, you seem to be making stuff up all the time that would make
> > propagating a god a worthy endeavor. I would find it the most lowest
> > of all entertainment levels even if true.
>
> nice dodge - now answer my point. I will repeat it for you . . . .
>
> Coming from someone propagating a god he cannot prove that is very funny
>
>
You cannot propogate a theory for why we are here, so why should we be
at your amusement? I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
Sad don't you think?
>
> > > > Most special interest groups are
> > > > shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
> > > > relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
> > > > have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>
> > > > > IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then they commit the offense of
> > > > > gross deception - period.
>
> > > > Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
> > > > death? Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
> > > > through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
> > > > hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
> > > > and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>
> > > What has this to do with the current subject ?
>
> > Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? So, this
> > would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
> > plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
> > problems that would cover society. Yet people like athesists are
> > either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
>
> S T O P R I G H T T H E R E.
>
> Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>
>
Why, the spoutings of mine don't warrant such. Just answer your
hypocrisy instead.
>
> > that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> > should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> > average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> > $500-600K?
>
> Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
>
Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
in it. I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
and the subsequent laws. I think you need to justify people as non-
believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
you have failed.
> > Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
> > society that looks like it has a brain cell leading it?
>
> > > > > > > > and of course lacking in any scientific
> > > > > > > > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > > > > > > I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> > > > > > > a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> > > > > > > ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > > > > > Wow, and we can fly an airplane and have air-conditioning by merely
> > > > > > watching what has been 'given' to us in nature.
>
> > > > > Your inability to address my point duly noted.
> > > > > But never mind, we atheists are used to it.
>
> > > > Transplating a heart is hardly great when it's just replacing a part.
> > > > Knowing how a heart is made from the beginning and who can control all
> > > > the systems that run through it and by it, and who has a say in every
> > > > heart that exists on the earth seems much more compelling.
>
> > > What wonderful digressing and dodging, I must add it to my list of Religious dodges' it get longer and
> > > longer !
>
> > > Your nym is highly appropriate
>
> > And your point about a heart transplant is?
>
> Very appropriate since an all loving god would have made good and sure that medics back in the days of Jesus
> and before would have been able to save lives by carrying out heart transplants. But NO, it had to wait for
> science thousands of years later. So my point is this - gods are inactive, irrelevant and powerless - IOW
> Imagined by man and propagated by man - right along the lines that you follow
>
We believe in a God that can adjust the number one chromome and keep
it of death mode. Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
achievement. We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
> > Is it doing anything
> > wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> > saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> > each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> > many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>
> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other lies squarely in the realms of
> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for murdering his eighteen year old
> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is religion for you and THAT does
> not figure in atheism.
>
Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
> Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for folks like you:
>
> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual
> honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism
> is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion
> at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity
> in a world of madness."
> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields
Emmett needs a timeout and the cupboards must be locked.
CJ
]> I guess because
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
> good agenda!!
>
in society in better do you? At least the Law had enough moral code
to give what we have to day as stucture and guideline for a society to
be viable, like laws on cleanliness, banking, welfare, judicial
prudence....Did the atheists do any better than that?
> ::: And you have PROOF they have no morals? Where is your proof or evidence?
> Where are the morals of the JW elders who sexually abused children and the
> elders who hid them and kept their filthy little secret?
>
Of course, pick on something that is much more of a problem with much
deeper violence in nature in other sectors, in society as well as
other religous sectors. Most would equate the Society and it's
adherents as being too good (for their tastes).
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>
> ::: Since it's YOU who claim there are Gods, it's up to YOU to produce the
> scientific irrefutable evidence of their existence.
>
Why does anyone have to? Proving a negative is wrong no matter what
one is trying to prove!! It has to be an agenda motive, because it
doesn't do well in the field of logic, and especially entertainment.
Why go after something that has no chance of effect, and has no chance
of prolonging one's life? At least in religion, people have a nice
though of going on to a hereafter. No wonder the Bible states that
believe in no god, is stupid. It just is, no matter how one looks at
it.
> to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> ::: What have YOU got to stand by?
>
A promise that life will extend, and life will have ultimate meaning.
An athesist has no hope other than death. No worthy life, no one to
remember them. Just a big void.
CJ
Parish *~
On Dec 19, 6:59 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
> good agenda!!
>
I don't think you'll find atheists having a part in making the world
in society in better do you?
::: Why not? One just donated quite a bit of cash to the Salvation Army
last week. What makes you think they don't care about society or others?
What has the WTS done for society? How many free Health Clinics have they
set up or free soup kitchens or clothes closets? How much of your time or
income do you donate to better the world and help the needy?
At least the Law had enough moral code
to give what we have to day as stucture and guideline for a society to
be viable, like laws on cleanliness, banking, welfare, judicial
prudence....Did the atheists do any better than that?
::: I see no connection. Your question makes no sense. The prisons are full
of "believers." Ask any Prison Chaplin. There are also atheists and
agnostics in the prisons. Even the most primitive societies who never heard
about your gods have social rules, or laws if you will. You should have
learned this in school.
> ::: And you have PROOF they have no morals? Where is your proof or
> evidence?
> Where are the morals of the JW elders who sexually abused children and the
> elders who hid them and kept their filthy little secret?
>
Of course, pick on something that is much more of a problem with much
deeper violence in nature in other sectors, in society as well as
other religous sectors. Most would equate the Society and it's
adherents as being too good (for their tastes).
::: Most of WHO? The JWs and other fundies are no better or worse than
church goers. They just hide their indiscretions better. They're more
secretive and less honest about what they do.
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>
> ::: Since it's YOU who claim there are Gods, it's up to YOU to produce the
> scientific irrefutable evidence of their existence.
Why does anyone have to? Proving a negative is wrong no matter what
one is trying to prove!! It has to be an agenda motive, because it
doesn't do well in the field of logic, and especially entertainment.
Why go after something that has no chance of effect, and has no chance
of prolonging one's life? At least in religion, people have a nice
though of going on to a hereafter. No wonder the Bible states that
believe in no god, is stupid. It just is, no matter how one looks at
it.
::: And others feel those of you who believe the old myths and fables about
fearsome gods and demons are stupid... it balances out.
> to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> ::: What have YOU got to stand by?
>
A promise that life will extend, and life will have ultimate meaning.
An athesist has no hope other than death. No worthy life, no one to
remember them. Just a big void.
::: What makes you think you'll be remembered any longer than an atheist
would be? A promise? A meaning? If you need such things to get through
life, have at it.
> It would be
> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad.
::: Why is it sad? Because the creationists say it's sad? What's sad are
people like you who try to live up to the standards of your particular
religion and never live your lives fully. Not that is very sad.
Maybe
> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> someday...:).
>
::: Irrelevant. :-)
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> >news:8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
> > good agenda!!
>
> I don't think you'll find atheists having a part in making the world
> in society in better do you?
>
> ::: Why not? One just donated quite a bit of cash to the Salvation Army
> last week. What makes you think they don't care about society or others?
> What has the WTS done for society? How many free Health Clinics have they
> set up or free soup kitchens or clothes closets? How much of your time or
> income do you donate to better the world and help the needy?
>
there so many people still starving in the world? Jesus said let the
dead bury their dead, and not to put new wine into old wineskins. We
go by the one that says that the system isn't going to be improved by
man's efforts (compared to what is promised).
As it is, people in power do a lot to make sure that war, and
societies are in disarray. Many of those are atheists and satanists.
If assets weren't divided up to have 95% of the earths wealth put into
less than 1% of the population, then food and shelter would be a world
priority. They spend the money on many other things that don't
provide a secure society, and spend it on themselves and their own
interests. Many of those are needless science endeavors.
> At least the Law had enough moral code
> to give what we have to day as stucture and guideline for a society to
> be viable, like laws on cleanliness, banking, welfare, judicial
> prudence....Did the atheists do any better than that?
>
> ::: I see no connection. Your question makes no sense. The prisons are full
> of "believers." Ask any Prison Chaplin. There are also atheists and
> agnostics in the prisons. Even the most primitive societies who never heard
> about your gods have social rules, or laws if you will. You should have
> learned this in school.
>
At least people with a belief in God have 'someone' to answer to.
That's going to prevent a any behavior is an ok behavior, atttitude.
What does an atheist have to check his morals before decision-making?
None!! He has nothing to answer to, and will mostly likely put self-
interests first.
> > ::: And you have PROOF they have no morals? Where is your proof or
> > evidence?
> > Where are the morals of the JW elders who sexually abused children and the
> > elders who hid them and kept their filthy little secret?
>
> Of course, pick on something that is much more of a problem with much
> deeper violence in nature in other sectors, in society as well as
> other religous sectors. Most would equate the Society and it's
> adherents as being too good (for their tastes).
>
> ::: Most of WHO? The JWs and other fundies are no better or worse than
> church goers. They just hide their indiscretions better. They're more
> secretive and less honest about what they do.
>
Not really. Other religions don't have moral checks within their
congregations to any degree, so it's not easy to identify through a
church. JW's are much more tight-knit, and there familes are
connected much closer and their lifestyles scrutinized...especially by
whistle blowers that look for anything to yell or write about. Your
picking on indiscretions doesn't take into factor the Sex Crime
overall of sex trades, prostitutions, child sacrifice and
indoctrination of bizarre sex activities that many in high government
are indulged in. And people take the age of consent as something to
really rail against, when in reality the age of consent was lower in
the time of Bible writing to less than 10 years old, and it's still
variant in many cultures of today.
> > There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> > spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>
> > ::: Since it's YOU who claim there are Gods, it's up to YOU to produce the
> > scientific irrefutable evidence of their existence.
>
> Why does anyone have to? Proving a negative is wrong no matter what
> one is trying to prove!! It has to be an agenda motive, because it
> doesn't do well in the field of logic, and especially entertainment.
> Why go after something that has no chance of effect, and has no chance
> of prolonging one's life? At least in religion, people have a nice
> though of going on to a hereafter. No wonder the Bible states that
> believe in no god, is stupid. It just is, no matter how one looks at
> it.
>
> ::: And others feel those of you who believe the old myths and fables about
> fearsome gods and demons are stupid... it balances out.
>
Doesn't matter what one thinks on that matter. It isn't worthy for
entertainment to any length of time, and serves no purpose....yet
people will sit here for eons making this 'their life's work'.
> > to
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> > ::: What have YOU got to stand by?
>
> A promise that life will extend, and life will have ultimate meaning.
> An athesist has no hope other than death. No worthy life, no one to
> remember them. Just a big void.
>
> ::: What makes you think you'll be remembered any longer than an atheist
> would be? A promise? A meaning? If you need such things to get through
> life, have at it.
>
If God created the first molecule, he probably has control over every
molecule that has ever existed. The great scientist that used high
mathematics to create that surely would be able to remember every
molecule of a person and every event so far accumulated in history.
> > It would be
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad.
>
> ::: Why is it sad? Because the creationists say it's sad? What's sad are
> people like you who try to live up to the standards of your particular
> religion and never live your lives fully. Not that is very sad.
>
A full life? You get to die. That CAN'T be full. We have at least a
hope of one. How is one going to be graded at the end of life and
said what was full or not??!! Just silly beyond all comprehension.
> Maybe
>
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> ::: Irrelevant. :-)
>
Man has been an utter failure at the most basic of things. Food and
shelter before a trip to the moon? It's moronic to think they have
things in any ducks in a row order.
CJ
bob young
On 12/15/09 1:18 AM, in article
8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
> good agenda!!
Atheists do not preach about morals - they simply question the issue of
inculcating the minds of young innocent children with outdated superstitious
nonsense from thousands of years ago.
Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
indeed trying to prove a negative
to
> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> someday...:).
This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
day human psyche
Teaching this to children
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to �James, Seattle�]
>
> CJ
bob young
On 12/21/09 3:54 AM, in article
32efadac-7ea4-4aa0...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
There are no such things. Evolution is a scientific subject that, when
compared to my grandfather's day, has made huge strides. Your religion
since my grandfathers days has been adjusted, the goal posts moved, changed
and modified time and time again to keep in step with scientific discovery.
>
>>> Why believe where you are
>>> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>>
>>>> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they
>>>> both rot in the same way and make
>>>> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>>
>>> How do you know they make the same smell? �Have you given a smell
>>> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>>
>>>> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed
>>>> superstitions are well known, both
>>>> past and present
>>
>>> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
>>> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
>>> after they die.
>>
>> sure they do. �all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
>> are all the work of men. �no gods involved. �unless you have proof otherwise
>>
> What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
Look at them, turn on a modicum of common sense and then, like all other
people who live in a logical world accept that these remnants of early man
were simply superstition borne of ignorance. Easy isn't it ?
>
>>> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? �It's a
>>> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
>>> by their research and experiences.
>>
>> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is
>> 'sin'
>>
> A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
>
>> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good
>> decent elements of humanity and try to
>> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>>
> Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
> even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
Yes - modern day man is making some progress by throwing creation off the
school curriculum
>
>> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in
>> gods ?
>>
> I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
> probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
> for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
> shall we
Of course you do - otherwise the 'Better than thou' syndrome that you people
in your arrogance appear to thrive on, would be no more
I am only here to question man's penchant for grovelling after primitive
superstitions and pushing same down the throats of innocent children
I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
> people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
> Sad don't you think?
Nothing is sadder than contemporary humans swallowing nonsense created by
early desert dwellers.
>
>>
>>>>> �Most special interest groups are
>>>>> shallow in their thinking especially when the whole human race is
>>>>> relegated to the back burner while their interests are 'relevant' and
>>>>> have an apparent self-advantage surrounding them.
>>
>>>>>> IF a religion makes a claim that effects millions and without proof, then
>>>>>> they commit the offense of
>>>>>> gross deception - period.
>>
>>>>> Who cares when the winner of such an argument is only a winner after
>>>>> death? � Why not go after the counterfeiters that have created money
>>>>> through a machine and devalued it so much to their receipients, and
>>>>> hoarded the world's assets to the tune of 95% belongs to less than 1%
>>>>> and try to make it fair by systematic propaganda?
>>
>>>> What has this to do with the current subject ?
>>
>>> Something about athiests going after gospelites isn't it? �So, this
>>> would apply as they should go after people that are on a non-religious
>>> plane because it is much more relevant for the everyday and now
>>> problems that would cover society. �Yet people like athesists are
>>> either so dumb or so special-interest orientated without any backup,
>>
>> S T O P � �R I G H T � T H E R E.
>>
>> Before we go any further Y O U back up all your claims about a god
>>
>>
> Why, the spoutings of mine don't warrant such. Just answer your
> hypocrisy instead.
Ooooooh a nice dodge again. Do you Christians have no shame ?
You lie, distort and dance around in your futile attempts to recognise
something that isn't there. Want to know something ? You will be doing it
no doubt, until the day you die.
>
>>
>>> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
>>> should be thinking as more weighty things. � Did you know that the
>>> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
>>> $500-600K?
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with the subject. �Do you go to dance classes ?
>>
> Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
> in it.
ROFL. God is not 'in it' at all. God is imaginary so anything as a guide
to decent living that is real honest and true would be preferable
I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
> our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
> and the subsequent laws.
Right. And that is all early man had, simple commandments. No police, No
law enforcement, no Law Courts to enforce his desires, so what could he do ?
All that he could do was to make up a god and then claim that it would
punish wrong doers.
They were so simple of course they did not understand that the bad guys
would not be attending their gatherings and listening to their priests, just
like today
I think you need to justify people as non-
> believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
> you have failed.
And you think religion has succeeded ?
People in the Middle East are still blowing up innocent bystanders,
including children, because they attend a temple from some belief different
to the bomber's own belief !
During The Inquisition Christians tortured those defamed by others to get
confessions and once that had been achieved they burned them alive in front
of crowds in the city squares. This went on for nearly three hundred years.
Don't talk to 'me' about 'failure'
>
>>> � Tell us how we can pay the debt off and be a functioning
Meaningless twaddle
Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
> achievement.
More of the same.
We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
> going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
>
>>> Is it doing anything
>>> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
>>> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
>>> each other? �Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. �Too
>>> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>>
>> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other
>> lies squarely in the realms of
>> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for
>> murdering his eighteen year old
>> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. �THAT is
>> religion for you and THAT does
>> not figure in atheism.
>>
> Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
> that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
> have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
> That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
Thanks for illustrating for all to see your inability to address the point
>
>> Atheism is explained below, Emmett's final line was probably written for
>> folks like you:
>>
>> "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. �Atheism is
>> human concern, and intellectual
>> honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And
>> yet it is more than this. Atheism
>> is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is
>> not, and never has been, a religion
>> at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism
>> is merely the bed-rock of sanity
>> in a world of madness."
>> [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields
>
> Emmett needs a timeout and the cupboards must be locked.
More pointless twaddle
curtjester1
'Created' with a Conscience. If you don't have morals, you would have
chaos. It's almost chaos now even with the so-called morals.
Atheists don't have anything to keep them in check, so anything goes
(unless they get caught) for justification and living their 'code'.
> Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
> congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
>
I'll take a pat on the back by God at the end of life. Nothing else
matters.
> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
>
> > spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>
> Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
> proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
> indeed trying to prove a negative
>
Wow, you are into disjointed view of proving, but be that as it may, I
think you need to get on a better road of entertainment and worthiness
of life, instead of thinking of what others ought to be thinking.
> to
>
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
> day human psyche
>
> Teaching this to children
>
> The universe revolves around the earth.
> Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
> The world is flat (and on pillars)
> Bats are a kind of bird.
> Rabbits chew their cud.
> There is enough water to flood the entire planet
> Women were created from a man's rib
> Rainbows are a promise from God
>
Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
they?
CJ
> [Acknowledgements to ŒJames, Seattle¹]
>
>
>
>
>
> > CJ- Hide quoted text -
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> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > It's like they think or try to make one think they HAVE morals and a
> > good agenda!!
>
> I don't think you'll find atheists having a part in making the world
> in society in better do you?
>
> ::: Why not? One just donated quite a bit of cash to the Salvation Army
> last week. What makes you think they don't care about society or others?
> What has the WTS done for society? How many free Health Clinics have they
> set up or free soup kitchens or clothes closets? How much of your time or
> income do you donate to better the world and help the needy?
>
Are setting up food banks the criteria for a better society?
::: You failed to answer the question. What would you expect agnostics and
atheists to do if YOU and your "leaders" wont do it yourself?
Why are
there so many people still starving in the world?
::: This has all been asked, covered, replied to and answered hundreds of
times here. You tell us why it still exists? What have YOU done to elevate
hunger?
Jesus said let the
dead bury their dead, and not to put new wine into old wineskins. We
go by the one that says that the system isn't going to be improved by
man's efforts (compared to what is promised).
::: What a lame excuse to do nothing and then have the balls to point at
atheists!!!!!!
As it is, people in power do a lot to make sure that war, and
societies are in disarray. Many of those are atheists and satanists.
::: You made the claim - NOW PROVE IT! Give us a list of names or admit
you're lying.
If assets weren't divided up to have 95% of the earths wealth put into
less than 1% of the population, then food and shelter would be a world
priority. They spend the money on many other things that don't
provide a secure society, and spend it on themselves and their own
interests. Many of those are needless science endeavors.
::: WOW!!!!!!!! Just like the cult leaders of your cult do! Check out the
opulence of the WTS Patterson Complex in NY state. Built to the honor of
your evil selfish GB. You're up to your eyeballs in the same shit you
accuse others of. How ironic. :-D
> At least the Law had enough moral code
> to give what we have to day as stucture and guideline for a society to
> be viable, like laws on cleanliness, banking, welfare, judicial
> prudence....Did the atheists do any better than that?
::: You can be for real........ most societies that never heard of your God
or WTS Book Publishing House had a moral and cleanliness code. How can you
be so ill informed?
>
> ::: I see no connection. Your question makes no sense. The prisons are
> full
> of "believers." Ask any Prison Chaplin. There are also atheists and
> agnostics in the prisons. Even the most primitive societies who never
> heard
> about your gods have social rules, or laws if you will. You should have
> learned this in school.
>
At least people with a belief in God have 'someone' to answer to.
::: So? You're good because you FEAR a cruel God? Why not be like an
atheist and be good because you're a good person instead of for a reward or
the fear of punishment? You're a hypocrite and admit it for all the world
to see.
That's going to prevent a any behavior is an ok behavior, atttitude.
What does an atheist have to check his morals before decision-making?
::: Why would he/she need a mythical god to fear to check his morals? You
have a hell of a nerve insinuating only fundies have morals and standards.
None!! He has nothing to answer to, and will mostly likely put self-
interests first.
::: Only according to the creationists. How have YOU put the world and
others before yourself and the WTS? What have you done to better the world?
Don't give me the "you converted more suckers into the WTS" because that
doesn't better them or the world.
> Of course, pick on something that is much more of a problem with much
> deeper violence in nature in other sectors, in society as well as
> other religous sectors. Most would equate the Society and it's
> adherents as being too good (for their tastes).
>
> ::: Most of WHO? The JWs and other fundies are no better or worse than
> church goers. They just hide their indiscretions better. They're more
> secretive and less honest about what they do.
>
Not really. Other religions don't have moral checks within their
congregations to any degree, so it's not easy to identify through a
church. JW's are much more tight-knit, and there familes are
connected much closer and their lifestyles scrutinized...
::: And you see this excessive obsessive CONTROL as good? It doesn't make
people better people, it makes them stressed out and sick. It rips marriages
to shreds and kills families. The information was posted here a few years
back on how the JWs have the highest rate of mental illness of all the cults
studied. Don't try and snow me because I was involved with your cult for
almost 20 years.
especially by
whistle blowers that look for anything to yell or write about.
::: And see this as good? Everyone living in constant FEAR? Under constant
stress? Always watching the other person to see if they do something
against the WTS rules? I saw the damage your cult does to people first
hand. I saw the damage it did to children.
Your
picking on indiscretions doesn't take into factor the Sex Crime
overall of sex trades, prostitutions, child sacrifice and
indoctrination of bizarre sex activities that many in high government
are indulged in.
::: I'm exposing them because YOU want them hidden. You want people to think
because JWs live in constant fear and under glass like bugs that they don't
do wrong. That only atheist do wrong. Well deal with it hypocrite........
JWs are no better than anyone else.
And people take the age of consent as something to
really rail against, when in reality the age of consent was lower in
the time of Bible writing to less than 10 years old, and it's still
variant in many cultures of today.
::: So that makes it OK for a JW to sexually abuse a child? I don't think
so. Your argument is as lame as they come.
>
> ::: And others feel those of you who believe the old myths and fables
> about
> fearsome gods and demons are stupid... it balances out.
>
Doesn't matter what one thinks on that matter. It isn't worthy for
entertainment to any length of time, and serves no purpose....yet
people will sit here for eons making this 'their life's work'.
::: You're here aren't you? Go out there and make the world a better place.
Serve the needy. Feed the hungry. Help build schools in Africa. Don't just
blow hot air.
>
> ::: What makes you think you'll be remembered any longer than an atheist
> would be? A promise? A meaning? If you need such things to get through
> life, have at it.
>
If God created the first molecule, he probably has control over every
molecule that has ever existed.
::: LOL!!! Yet he couldn't get human beings right. ;-)
The great scientist that used high
mathematics to create that surely would be able to remember every
molecule of a person and every event so far accumulated in history.
>
> ::: Why is it sad? Because the creationists say it's sad? What's sad are
> people like you who try to live up to the standards of your particular
> religion and never live your lives fully. Not that is very sad.
>
A full life? You get to die. That CAN'T be full.
::: Why not - because the WTS told us so? Everyone dies. Everything alive
dies. My life is very full and I don't serve the WTS.
We have at least a
hope of one.
::: Fantasies you mean while you slave away for your cult-masters and sit
through endless mind numbing boring meetings.
How is one going to be graded at the end of life and
said what was full or not??!! Just silly beyond all comprehension.
::: You just claimed YOU can judge who had a full life and who didn't.
You're just repeating the crap in the WTS magazines like all JWs learn to
do. You no longer reason and think for yourself. Atheists and Agnostics
don't go around worrying about doomsday as your cult members do. They don't
worry about stressed-out menally disturbed tattle tales scrutinizing their
every move. Instead we have a full day and a full life.
> Maybe
>
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> ::: Irrelevant. :-)
>
Man has been an utter failure at the most basic of things.
::: Evolution is blind. All it cares about it human reproduction and his
ability to adapt. Evolution knows noting about the budget. You're already
depressed and totally negative from the WTS teachings.... how sad. You
haven't said one positive thing since this thread started.
Food and
shelter before a trip to the moon? It's moronic to think they have
things in any ducks in a row order.
You need to learn about evolution........
Parish *~
Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
they?
More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to the
needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
Elijahovah
They the atheists get enraged; not all do.
They the religious get enraged; not all do.
They the heteros (the breeders) get enraged; not all do.
They the gays get enraged; not all do.
They the schools (the teachers) get enraged; not all do.
They the parents get enraged; not all do.
There is always a line between the two generalities.
Generalities are not prejudice because prejudice is not
to be defined as group classification. It is wrong to say
prejudice is group classification, it is not. Prejudging means
to make a conclusion before the facts.It is the guilty, all of those
guilty
who wish to hide in the classification and demand protection from
discrimination. BUT analyze that if you will. Which is the worse?
Should parents get all upset if they are classified as The Parents
for something horible or horrid said about parents... we seem to think
that all parents will defend themselves against a lie about parents,
or all gays will defend themselves against a lie about gays, or all
blacks will defend themselves against a lie about blacks. Buut what
you fail
to see is that the guilty in any classification are the ones who wish
to hide what they do by classifying themselves hidden among the rest
of their group and stir the rally to say look how these people dare
classify us. Yes the guilty of the claim made will hide among the
innocent
of their group class and stir the defence up so they cqan continue to
hide.
People all assume that the prejudging is the class itself, say all of
these,
and all of those, and all whites, and all Moslems, and all Jews, etc.
But the prejudging DEFENCE should not be made by the class standing
up and saying tis is a lie about us as a group. INstead the group
should say
if we have such ones, we will sort them out. DO NOT LIE AND
MISINTEPRET
what was just said here. This does not mean sort out Jews, and sort
out gays,
and sort out blacks. It means that when word comes forth saying i.e.
blacks steal, then blacks should stand up and say if we have those who
steal we will sort those who steal out. And if word says we italians
have
big mouths then we Italians should stand up and say if we have big
mouths
we will sort out those with big mouths. In other words dont let the
crime
hide in our groups. Because you cannot integrate and instill pride
groups at the
same time. How can you say all of this class or that class should
gather
and have a pirde gathering yet then say we need to integrate and mix
everyone.
It is hypocritical. It is saying that blacks should be given pride by
letting them
gather as black groups, but dont let white groups gather with pride,
we must mix them.
It is saying jews should be given pride to gather as Jewish groups,
but dont let
atheists gather we must mix them. Quit letting the criminla hide among
your
groups of classes because it is they who want to exploit your class by
saying
the whole group is being discriminated when ever a crime investigator
comes
close to exposing ONLY THEIR personal crimes and sins.
I see this all the time. The guilty try to get themselves classified
with their
kind to say it is a prejudice.
signed ELIJAH
the hour is here
the bride is late
if she doesnt marry before Armageddon then we all die
she too has a choice, die now faithful on HER day and hour and live
forever
or later (yet soon immediately to come)
die now unfaithful after her day and hour
die in OUR day and hour because she refuses to save her children by
dying faithful
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
>
> More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to the
> needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
Christianity? Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
favorite charity.
CJ
curtjester1
all sorts of venues.
>
> >>> Why believe where you are
> >>> trying to say they are 'Going'?
>
> >>>> If a man and his dog both fall on a mountain track an die together they
> >>>> both rot in the same way and make
> >>>> the same smell until only their bones are left.
>
> >>> How do you know they make the same smell? Have you given a smell
> >>> test?, or conducted or researched surveys?
>
> >>>> That religious people cannot stomach this is well known, as indeed
> >>>> superstitions are well known, both
> >>>> past and present
>
> >>> Oh, religious people have scriptures and dogmas about it being
> >>> reserved for man to die, and they also know that some may never live
> >>> after they die.
>
> >> sure they do. all religions have them and these books, tablets and scrolls
> >> are all the work of men. no gods involved. unless you have proof otherwise
>
> > What else is one to do, dig in the mud?
>
> Look at them, turn on a modicum of common sense and then, like all other
> people who live in a logical world accept that these remnants of early man
> were simply superstition borne of ignorance. Easy isn't it ?
>
>
Superstititon isn't relegated to the past. People have favorite
numbers for the lottery. Wow, if we could just get rid of that, the
atheists would be ruling with such proficiency. Wait, I bet ol' Bob
has some favorite numbers too...<grin>
>
> >>> So it's not a matter of stomaching, is it? It's a
> >>> matter of belief and finding a purpose in life that has been verfied
> >>> by their research and experiences.
>
> >> 'Purpose in life' is something manipulated by religious types, just as is
> >> 'sin'
>
> > A least they have a 'contrived' hope. You have none.
>
Hope should be banned?
> >> They are troubled since they cannot produce their gods so they use good
> >> decent elements of humanity and try to
> >> claim them, as an exclusive part of their belief.
>
> > Evolution can't produce first life, so they get their own Religion and
> > even a place in the school ciriculum's...boo hoo.
>
> Yes - modern day man is making some progress by throwing creation off the
> school curriculum
>
>
If Education wasn't so agendasized they would be throwing Evolution
off too and putting in the afterschool clubs like chess, and band. I
personally wouldn't want Creation taught in a public school.
>
> >> Do you consider that there are no good decent people who do not believe in
> >> gods ?
>
> > I don't believe that there necessarily evil and I would say that
> > probably form a spectrum of morals which they secretly use religion
> > for for forming them....but I do think of them as shall we say,
> > shall we
>
> Of course you do - otherwise the 'Better than thou' syndrome that you people
> in your arrogance appear to thrive on, would be no more
>
>
Actually lowliness of mind is a quality of humilty that we do strive
for. Shallowness is being haughty and thinking one has superior
knowledge abilities like education folk and people in many other
fields.
Some primitive types have more efficiency than out own societies
have. They feed themselves, and live off the land, and govern
themselves without creating debts and they surely can survive much
better than the 'educated' more well off countries.
> I surely couldn't find amusement in hovering over
>
> > people's opinions. Yet atheists seem to make it a 'life's journey'.
> > Sad don't you think?
>
> Nothing is sadder than contemporary humans swallowing nonsense created by
> early desert dwellers.
>
>
Wow, I would think countries going bankrupt, people starving, and all
sorts of decrepit shenanigans going on in the modern world would be
more compelling. Guess they rather do the weird and insignificant for
'some reason'.
Just have to open your front door. That's proof enough for the
masses. What beauty, symmetry, and organization!!
>
> >>> that they would go after religious dogmas versus what they probably
> >>> should be thinking as more weighty things. Did you know that the
> >>> average family is in debt to the national debt to the tune of
> >>> $500-600K?
>
> >> Which has nothing to do with the subject. Do you go to dance classes ?
>
> > Because you seem to think that society would be better off without God
> > in it.
>
> ROFL. God is not 'in it' at all. God is imaginary so anything as a guide
> to decent living that is real honest and true would be preferable
>
God is a little more popular than your little satanic cult. Who else
would rail and hone in on a God-oriented group or lifestyle?
> I would tend to say it is better off because of it. Most of
>
> > our structure in society goes back to the laws of the Ten Commandments
> > and the subsequent laws.
>
> Right. And that is all early man had, simple commandments. No police, No
> law enforcement, no Law Courts to enforce his desires, so what could he do ?
>
> All that he could do was to make up a god and then claim that it would
> punish wrong doers.
>
And the athesists would have the wrongdoers not getting punished
causing havoc and chaos in the world!! Oh, that's a classic.
> They were so simple of course they did not understand that the bad guys
> would not be attending their gatherings and listening to their priests, just
> like today
>
> I think you need to justify people as non-
>
> > believers being able to rule and live just and worthy lives. I think
> > you have failed.
>
> And you think religion has succeeded ?
>
At least the laws of the subsequent Ten Commandments did provide us a
prototype for a society we enjoy today.
God knows every molecule, he even knows what's behind your spittle.
> Being a heart mechanic is hardly a huge
>
> > achievement.
>
> More of the same.
>
> We all clog up, disintegrate, or leak. That's still
>
> > going on and people are dying quite at good rate still.
>
> >>> Is it doing anything
> >>> wonderful like saving lives in the quality and quantity, that could be
> >>> saved, if they just refused to pick up barbaric weapons and destroy
> >>> each other? Oh, that is under the guidelines of 'Christianity'. Too
> >>> many lives saved equals a bad idea to an atheist...
>
> >> Arrant nonsense and your point about not being barbaric and loving each other
> >> lies squarely in the realms of
> >> humanism and not religions. A Muslim has just been put in jail in England for
> >> murdering his eighteen year old
> >> daughter because she wanted to marry some man from a different sect. THAT is
> >> religion for you and THAT does
> >> not figure in atheism.
>
> > Some poor atheist can't live because of sheer nonesense of belief, one
> > that that can never be proven, as one cannot disprove a negative. You
> > have a life that can't go on living, and no real purpose for life.
> > That's a death wish and warrant if I've ever seen one.
>
> Thanks for illustrating for all to see your inability to address the point
>
>
You mean totally ancillary, insignifcant points that don't address the
meatier.
CJ
Parish *~
On Dec 23, 2:35 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
>
> More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to
> the
> needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
Christianity?
::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did nothing?
How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
favorite charity.
::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a better
place.
Turban Joe Balasootoe
> bombers around who are prepared to kill in the name of their god. The fact that there, are
> speaks volumes.
>
> > spend the time doing what they do,....
>
> See above re suicide bombers. Want another reason ? The next word war will be nuclear and no
> doubt between Islamic and Christian countries. A third of the world population could well be
> wiped out by the protagonists, all in the names of their imaginary gods. I prefer that those
> on both sides live, rather than dying for lost causes.
>
> > elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
> > speils that are so arrogant,
>
> Arrogance belongs to believers, as they ilustrate on a daily basis.
>
> totally without any proof of any kind. THAT, my friend is arrogance coupled with lying.
>
> > assuredness that they have something to stand by.
>
> I would not bring science into this conversation if i were you. In the days of the said Jesus
> a man with a faulty heart died in pain. Today we can transplant a heart. Thanks to human
> ingenuity, intelligence and science
>
> > hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
> > they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
> > someday...:).
>
> [The above - not worth addressing]
>
> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> Man creates his gods in his own image,
> then spends the rest of his life
> manipulating them to his heart's content
>
> R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
>
>
>
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Religisti = worship the shed blood, the flesh of JC,
fully Homo Sapien.
Humanisti = worship fully the flesh of ALL Homo
Sapien.
application: Reject Religisti & Humanisti both.
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:11ece08c-c249-4244...@z40g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 23, 2:35 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> > Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> > set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> > they?
>
> > More WTS bullshit? I served in Soup Kitchens and volunteered in Animal
> > Shelters. I gathered a large load of clothing more than once to give to
> > the
> > needy. I did volunteer work in a large city hospital. I joined a "Toys For
> > Tots" ride for the children at St. Judes. I give quite a bit to charity
> > each year. What have you done you lying hypocrite?
>
> What does that have to do with Bible truth or acceptable practiced
> Christianity?
>
> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did nothing?
> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>
Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
Christianity. And of course, what does religion owe to the world
through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
saving a sinking ship. Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
wine into old wineskins? And all the prophecies of the future tell of
what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
Santa Claus type things? An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
> favorite charity.
>
> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a better
> place.
>
> --
Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
ALL.
CJ
Parish *~
On Dec 25, 2:19 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did
> nothing?
> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>
I think we were discussing why atheists think that by railing
Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
Christianity.
::: You think wrong. Your thinking is becoming warped from the constant
required reading of WTS literature.
And of course, what does religion owe to the world
through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
saving a sinking ship.
::: And yet when ships are sinking many other ships and planes and boars
rush to their rescue don't they? They don't make excuses like you and the
WTS does. They do what they can to rescue as many as possible.
Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
wine into old wineskins?
::: Which has NOTHING to do with the poor widows and orphans he spoke of.
And all the prophecies of the future tell of
what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
Santa Claus type things?
::: Atheists don't "attack" anyone. Do you have some websites to prove they
attack people for doing good?
An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
::: Which atheists made that claim? Some religions and cults are bad for
the world. If you're over age 12 or so you realize this. :-) The WTS Book
Publishing House trying to pass as a religion is one of them as most people
know.
> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
> favorite charity.
:::: There's always an excuse from a JW as to why they don't donate to any
charities. Why should a hungry or homeless person have to have some
religious affiliation to be fed? Because the greedy self-serving GB says so?
Jesus didn't ask anyone if they were Jews or JWs or Pagans when he helped
them. Why not follow his example instead of the evil GBs example?
>
> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a
> better
> place.
>
> --
Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
::: Irrelevant to those in NEED now. Why do you use the GBs evil excuse to
give nothing and do nothing? Are you as evil and selfish as they are?
Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
ALL.
::: Worry about NOW and those in need NOW. Forget what the evil GB pumps
into your brain..........
--
"There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers
on their knees, with their eyes closed mumbling Goddidit."
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>
>"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fc403835-ec0c-4cd6...@n38g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 25, 2:19 am, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ::: You lied and claimed Atheists do nothing to make the world better for
>> people. Are you now changing the subject rather than admit you did
>> nothing?
>> How typical. How true to form. How totally expected from a hypocrite.
>>
>
>I think we were discussing why atheists think that by railing
>Christian groups and how much bad that it has done for the world, that
>it would give them a chance to portray themselves as a force of good
>that would have the world better off with them and no religion or
>Christianity.
>
Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
enough. Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in
god. No more, no less.
Speaking for myself now: I'm just sick and tired of being told what
is good for me based on what some zealot religionist who thinks he
"knows what god wants."
Religionists claim they have a right and duty to "Spread the Word of
God?" But if you happen to be atheist you can't do the same thing?
Start pushing at people, and you should expect them to push back.
Poor god - he's wanting.
>::: You think wrong. Your thinking is becoming warped from the constant
>required reading of WTS literature.
>
>And of course, what does religion owe to the world
>through Christianity? They're obligated to pay their taxes and to
>take care of their families, and to save the world would be likened to
>saving a sinking ship.
Self fulfilling prophecy anyone? If you are already convinced the
ship is sinking, you waste no effort in saving it, and it is more
likely to sink, or sink before a rescue can be arranged.
The problem with "rapture heads." They want and expect the world to
end in their lifetime. People and religions have been predicting the
end of the world for as long as they have had gods.
Why not help things along? You are convinced that the end is near
anyway. You just may be part of "God's Plan." If anything happens it
is because god wills it right? So if you were to light off a
thermonuclear device it would just be god working through you, his
loyal servant, right?
Christianity would not be around if Jews hadn't been primed to welcome
a Messiah. Jesus came along and got a dose of some eccentric
evangelist (John the B) and embraced the philosophy, and the rest is
history. Jesus had charisma and bathed more often than John or you
be worshiping John the Baptist today.
Religions promote the "end times" because it is good salesmanship.
Buy now ! you don't want to be left out ! everyone is doing it ! the
value will triple in just a few months ! get in on the ground floor !
the price can only go up !
Save your immortal soul ! the end times are upon us!
A sense of urgency will get people off their asses. Every huckster
uses this technique.
>
>::: And yet when ships are sinking many other ships and planes and boars
>rush to their rescue don't they? They don't make excuses like you and the
>WTS does. They do what they can to rescue as many as possible.
>
>Why else would Jesus speak of not putting new
>wine into old wineskins?
Because it makes no sense to mix fresh wine with live "mother of
vinegar?" Unless you enjoy drinking acidic slime . . . or worse being
covered in smelly acidic slime when the skin bursts with the CO2. Or
"new" unfermented grape juice would cause the skins to burst . . .
Maybe the guy is just particular about his wine?
>
>::: Which has NOTHING to do with the poor widows and orphans he spoke of.
>
>And all the prophecies of the future tell of
>what the world will go through whether a person wants to be part of it
>or not, and that can't change. Do atheists ever attack people for
>liking Greek Gods or getting after all the world for people doing
>Santa Claus type things?
>
All the prophecies of the future? ALL? You've personally read and
cataloged all the prophecies of the future? My own prophesy of the
future involves a seared slow roasted leg of lamb - did you know that?
Amazing! I'm still up in the air about a Merlot or Burgundy with that
- what does the prophecy say?
Ah yes - part of my own Catholic indoctrination. Religion is the bond
between the Creator and Created. Even if you don't acknowledge it you
have it. The sure belief that even if you don't want to be part of it
- you are stuck with it. There is no escape - don't attempt to
escape.
The old Greek Gods are wonderful myths just like the
"God of Abraham." The only real difference is we don't have people,
like you, to rail against when it comes to Zeus.
No one is expected to believe Santa is real - that's just a lie we
tell to kiddies. Unlike religion, we eventually fess up and tell the
truth.
>::: Atheists don't "attack" anyone. Do you have some websites to prove they
>attack people for doing good?
>
> An atheist is hypocrital in belief because
>his belief is not provable and it is relegated into self-servingness
>by claiming that they are good why religion is bad for the world.
Proving a negative is near impossible at the best of times. Proving a
positive assertion is much easier - you just point to your evidence.
Evidence of a god? Trot it out, and lets have a look at it.
>
>::: Which atheists made that claim? Some religions and cults are bad for
>the world. If you're over age 12 or so you realize this. :-) The WTS Book
>Publishing House trying to pass as a religion is one of them as most people
>know.
>
>
>> Not to say any of this is particularly wrong, but the
>> Bible sets standards for worship and this isn't quite any stipulated
>> requirement. I do donate to the Salvation Army BTW, just because they
>> feed without religious requirements, and there is nothing that is in
>> any JW constitution that prohibits them from donating to their a
>> favorite charity.
>
>:::: There's always an excuse from a JW as to why they don't donate to any
>charities. Why should a hungry or homeless person have to have some
>religious affiliation to be fed? Because the greedy self-serving GB says so?
>Jesus didn't ask anyone if they were Jews or JWs or Pagans when he helped
>them. Why not follow his example instead of the evil GBs example?
>
>>
>> ::: Good. Now get your ass out there and help man the soup kitchens, the
>> homeless shelters and the free Clothes Closets. Get donations for shelters
>> for Abused Women and Children. Actions, - not words make the world a
>> better
>> place.
>>
>> --
>Oh for your perfect world? Did you ever think if governments were
>honest, and not self-serving, that they would pay attention to their
>citizenries and there would be NO NEED for soup kitchens or shelters?
The problem is with human flaws. Even if the government wasn't run by
humans, and perfect, and could provide for everyone, some greedy
self-serving bastard would still come along and game the system.
Christ had some damn good philosophy - his cheer leaders really suck
though.
>
>::: Irrelevant to those in NEED now. Why do you use the GBs evil excuse to
>give nothing and do nothing? Are you as evil and selfish as they are?
>
>Well, the future speaks of no pain, or hunger in God's government when
>it destroys all government on earth, and what's left is one that
>promises remarkable security and an abundance of necessary assets for
>ALL.
A book written thousands of years ago, by near- illiterate, very
superstitious sheep herders, is my bible.
duke
>Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
>enough. Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in
>god. No more, no less.
Wrong. Atheists deny/reject the existence of God. Agnostics just don't find
all the evidence convincing.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
teresita
> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
> more, no less.
That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
default
>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
I was raised Catholic and the nuns would harp for hours on "what
atheists believe." Everything from murder and mayhem to liberalism
and communism. When atheists weren't busy biting the heads off
children, they were just plain bad people.
I guess when a person is subjected for hours of Catholic
indoctrination day in and day out, the only real choices left are
submit or rebel. Maybe the nuns felt their control was slipping - all
but two were ancient, so they weren't up to the task of boisterous
children. Nuns seemed to think we were pretty stupid and ramping up
the rhetoric was a way to instill fear as a substitute for their
shortcomings as teachers.
For some reason they'd reiterate the idea that only Catholics in good
standing would go to heaven - but never rail against other religions,
just atheists.
Linux huh? I plan another foray into Linux, I did have Mandrake and
Knoppix up and running years ago. This time I'll be a two box system
with a KVM switch. Directron has an exceptionally good deal on some
surplus California school computers. Got one for my wife, and one for
myself.
--
Ips-Switch
"teresita" <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hhd2e...@news2.newsguy.com...
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
> That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
Plus the other 10,000 known Gods and Goddesses worshipped by someone
somewhere. ;-)
>
> --
> Teresita
> http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
duke
>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>
>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>> more, no less.
>
>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
duke
wrote:
Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
teresita
> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
Next to Yahweh and El
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Did the big nothing in the sky,
tell you there is no God?
Jim
1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached
unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached
unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:
5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
asleep.
7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due
time.
Ips-Switch
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-) Are
you?
Sockie
> On 29 Dec 2009 14:07:20 GMT, teresita <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>>
>>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>>> more, no less.
>>
>>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
>
> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
Just like Jehovah is a name in a book of myths. ;-)
duke
wrote:
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-) Are
>you?
I don't know of any priests that did that. But I've seen a lot of secularists
that have. Are you?
duke
>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:21:57 -0600, duke wrote:
>
>> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
>
>Next to Yahweh and El
They're not there either.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:613nj5lp5empme8fv...@4ax.com...
>> On 29 Dec 2009 14:07:20 GMT, teresita <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>>>
>>>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often enough.
>>>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>>>> more, no less.
>>>
>>>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
>>
>> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
>
>Just like Jehovah is a name in a book of myths. ;-)
No, his name isn't there either.
Parish *~
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>
>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>Are
>>you?
>
> I don't know of any priests that did that.
Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
another priest who "looked the other way?"
But I've seen a lot of secularists
> that have. Are you?
You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of brain washing."
Sockie
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:22:11 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:613nj5lp5empme8fv...@4ax.com...
>>> On 29 Dec 2009 14:07:20 GMT, teresita <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>>>>> more, no less.
>>>>
>>>>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
>>>
>>> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
>>
>>Just like Jehovah is a name in a book of myths. ;-)
>
> No, his name isn't there either.
Because he doesn't exist or because the RCC removed it? ;0)
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:tm5pj51vckmv9ehvt...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>>
>>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in drugs
>>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>>Are
>>>you?
>>
>> I don't know of any priests that did that.
>Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
>another priest who "looked the other way?"
There are so few pedophile priests in the Church and they are so localized that
I'm never met one.
And no, I'm not a priest.
>But I've seen a lot of secularists
>> that have. Are you?
>You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved penile
penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300 priests are
4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:2r5pj5tj14oen3bjj...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:22:11 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:613nj5lp5empme8fv...@4ax.com...
>>>> On 29 Dec 2009 14:07:20 GMT, teresita <rub...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34:00 -0500, default wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Making generalizations about atheists? Christians do that often
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>> Basically, an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in god. No
>>>>>> more, no less.
>>>>>
>>>>>That makes Christians atheists with respect to Zeus.
>>>>
>>>> zeus is just a name in a book of myths.
>>>
>>>Just like Jehovah is a name in a book of myths. ;-)
>>
>> No, his name isn't there either.
>
>Because he doesn't exist or because the RCC removed it? ;0)
Because he's not a myth except to you atheists.
Bob Young
On 12/23/09 2:50 AM, in article
44656a68-4943-4550...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 22, 12:41 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> On 12/15/09 1:18 AM, in article
>> 8ec7cdd0-d1e1-4294-b29b-b65522470...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com,
>> Atheists do not preach about morals - they simply question the issue of
>> inculcating the minds of young innocent children with outdated superstitious
>> nonsense from thousands of years ago.
>>
> Morals are what keeps the world in check.
True and they have nothing to do with imaginary gods. Unless you are one of
those dumb kooks who thinks every atheist is devoid of morals
Good thing we were at least
> 'Created' with a Conscience.
You were not. You learned about conscience from others, mostly your parents
just like you learned about imaginary gods.
The morals are real and useful, the gods are novelties from the past and
best forgotten
If you don't have morals, you would have
> chaos. It's almost chaos now even with the so-called morals.
> Atheists don't have anything to keep them in check, so anything goes
> (unless they get caught) for justification and living their 'code'.
Arrogant self centered immature bullshit
>
>
>> Using morals is a daily occurrence in the lives of preachers and
>> congregations who expect to be congratulated on being better than others
>>
> I'll take a pat on the back by God at the end of life. Nothing else
> matters.
Ha Ha you will never know
>
>> There really isn't any reason, rationally, why they
>>
>>> spend the time doing what they do,....trying to prove a negative..
>>
>> Again the area of religions. The gods are negative since they cannot be
>> proven so all claims by religionists about their own particular gods is
>> indeed trying to prove a negative
>>
> Wow, you are into disjointed view of proving, but be that as it may, I
> think you need to get on a better road of entertainment and worthiness
> of life, instead of thinking of what others ought to be thinking.
You should take up part time preaching, you seemed to have learned all the
'necessary patter' off by heart.
>
>
>
>> to
>>
>>> elevating their thoughts like they are worthy to their condescending
>>> speils that are so arrogant, and of course lacking in any scientific
>>> assuredness that they have something to stand by. It would be
>>> hilarious to just look at an muse over...if it wasn't so sad. Maybe
>>> they'll figure out how to balance the budget and show us the way
>>> someday...:).
>>
>> This is what is really sad and what drives atheism to question the present
>> day human psyche
>>
>> Teaching this to children
>>
>> The universe revolves around the earth.
>> Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
>> The world is flat (and on pillars)
>> Bats are a kind of bird.
>> Rabbits chew their cud.
>> There is enough water to flood the entire planet
>> Women were created from a man's rib
>> Rainbows are a promise from God
>>
> Wow, this is so bad that I think I should exterminate them, so I can
> set up some Soup Kitchens! Oh, I don't think athesists feed people do
> they?
How cute. I notice how well you nicely avoided addressing that those silly
primitive ideas above, which all appear in your old book of fables !
A book which, had it never caught on about nine hundred years ago, the
Christian belief of today would possibly be non existent, since it relies on
that same old book for about 80% of it's dogma. Islamists have their
version as well.
All written in early history by desert dwellers living in fear and
trepidation from day to night during some period that cannot be defined or
verified. If it wasn't so frighteningly retarded, it would be laughable.
Well done young man.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N – it is all in the mind,
an escape from life’s realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Oh how I wish there were a loving god. A god that would take care of man’s
ills and wants and desires. But I have the common sense and intelligence to
know that this is simply the way that man desires things to be.
>
> CJ
>
>> [Acknowledgements to ŒJames, Seattle¹]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> CJ- Hide quoted text -
Bob Young
On 12/24/09 4:10 AM, in article
fd5832d3-a5b0-446d...@21g2000vbh.googlegroups.com,
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
YOU BLITHERING IDIOT - HOPE IS WHAT YOUR MYTH AND THE MAJORITY OF IT'S
FOLLOWERS THRIVES ON
Parish *~
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:48:54 -0600, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:tm5pj51vckmv9ehvt...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:21:19 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:k33nj55mvumjk8om9...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:27:28 -0600, "Ips-Switch"
>>>>> <Ips-S...@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like you worship a bottle of drugs.
>>>
>>>>No drugs here. I'm not one of your priests trying to lose himself in
>>>>drugs
>>>>and booze because he raped a little kid in the back of the church. ;-)
>>>>Are
>>>>you?
>>>
>>> I don't know of any priests that did that.
>
>>Really? Your church sure knew about them and admitted it. Are you just
>>another priest who "looked the other way?"
>
> There are so few pedophile priests in the Church and they are so localized
> that
> I'm never met one.
Lying for your church wont get you into the mythical Heaven. ;-)
>
> And no, I'm not a priest.
>
>>But I've seen a lot of secularists
>>> that have. Are you?
>
>>You watched them rape children and did nothing? Typical..............
>
> I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved
> penile
> penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300
> priests are
> 4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
Penile penetration? What the hell's the difference if the pervert priest
used his penis, his fingers, a bottle, a stick, or who knows what... the
emotional damage to the child is the same.
Sockie
Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
mythical beings exist. You know, all the angels and the demons and such.
After all, if I made the claim I have Unicorns in my barn, it would be up to
me to prove they're there.
duke
Ask your daddy.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:s0srj59igunqp7qkl...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:49:58 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:2r5pj5tj14oen3bjj...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:22:11 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Because he doesn't exist or because the RCC removed it? ;0)
>>
>> Because he's not a myth except to you atheists.
>Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
>mythical beings exist.
He's not mythical.
> You know, all the angels and the demons and such.
>After all, if I made the claim I have Unicorns in my barn, it would be up to
>me to prove they're there.
No, I'd know you're nuts.
Parish *~
Why when you're one of the sex offenders and are trying to protect your
brother sex offenders?
My Daddy wasn't a RC priest - was yours?
--
The Parrish *~, American-American-American.
* * * * * *
"The Mass is the most perfect form of making money."
Sockie
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:10:53 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:22:11 -0600, "Sockie"
>>>>> <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Because he doesn't exist or because the RCC removed it? ;0)
>>>
>>> Because he's not a myth except to you atheists.
>
>>Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
>>mythical beings exist.
>
> He's not mythical.
Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
mythical beings exist.
>
>> You know, all the angels and the demons and such.
>>After all, if I made the claim I have Unicorns in my barn, it would be up
>>to
>>me to prove they're there.
>
> No, I'd know you're nuts.
Hit a nerve did I? ;o) I know you're completely crazy and like you've been
accused by many - a habitual liar.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:mpr3k5p5m0ej191h1...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:07:52 -0600, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I never saw a thing. And only 27% of the 4300 priests accused involved
>>>> penile
>>>> penetration or attempted penile penetration. Now I admit that 4300
>>>> priests are
>>>> 4300 too many, but do try to get your facts straight.
>>
>>>Penile penetration? What the hell's the difference if the pervert priest
>>>used his penis, his fingers, a bottle, a stick, or who knows what...
>>
>> Ask your daddy.
>Why when you're one of the sex offenders and are trying to protect your
>brother sex offenders? My Daddy wasn't a RC priest - was yours?
You're a sick human being.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:tqr3k59j8l1b5u402...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:10:53 -0600, "Sockie" <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:2r5pj5tj14oen3bjj...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:22:11 -0600, "Sockie"
>>>>>> <Socki...@Socksland.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Because he doesn't exist or because the RCC removed it? ;0)
>>>>
>>>> Because he's not a myth except to you atheists.
>>
>>>Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
>>>mythical beings exist.
>>
>> He's not mythical.
>
>Then produce some irrefutable scientific evidence he and all the other
>mythical beings exist.
There you go.
>>> You know, all the angels and the demons and such.
>>>After all, if I made the claim I have Unicorns in my barn, it would be up
>>>to
>>>me to prove they're there.
>> No, I'd know you're nuts.
>Hit a nerve did I? ;o) I know you're completely crazy and like you've been
>accused by many - a habitual liar.
If it's beyond your mental capacity to discuss issues, I suggest you go play
with the other kids.