People are idiots.
Scorpio
panel thinks. Is this a fair comment statement?
Megan
Dafydd
Yep... looked at rationalism, dialectical materialism and logical
positivism-
in the end a lot of things just won't make sense!
tpatrickb
"Scorpio" <mwhi...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:8aa5dff7-7949-4060...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Someone just spoke those words to me. So I am curious to see what the
> panel thinks. Is this a fair comment statement?
>
> Megan
Not fair.
People may "behave" like idiots, but they do enough things right (as a rule)
not to be considered idiots. Except for the ones I think are idiots.
tpb
Scorpio
> "Scorpio" <mwhit...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
Yes I know exactly what you are saying here. It is especially
important when talking to children so they don't feel like they are
being labeled.
Megan
Scorpio
and it's good to see you back too Oly.
M. Shirley Chong
>>>> Someone just spoke those words to me. So I am curious to see what the
>>>> panel thinks. Is this a fair comment statement?
Notorious* wrote:
>>> It is about forgiveness to me. If you assume people just don't know better,
>>> you get less upset. I realize there is a certain degree of arrogance in it.
>>> But arrogance helps to not get provoked. Definitley no other likeness meant,
>>> but even Jesus said forgive them because they don't know what they do.
Oly (aka Atlanta Olympiads Heidhues Kane) wrote:
>> Do you know how hard forgiveness is? Its really easy to give lip
>> service to forgiveness. Scorpio asked me why I am here. Forgiveness is
>> the one thing that eludes me. So maybe I'm here to learn how to
>> forgive. The easy way to forgive someone is to pray for them. But I
>> can't do that. So I'm looking for another way.
Notorious* wrote:
> Yes, I have the same problem with forgiveness many times.
> But to be in the position to have to forgive someone, we must first have
> allowed them to get to us. Personally I don't work on my ability to forgive,
> I have given it up. Instead I work on interpreting people's words and actions,
> in a way so that I don't have to forgive them. What we are vulnerable to, is
> most often really a choice we make.
>
> This works for me, but no doubt every individual will have to find their own
> way. We are all different. I hope you will find a way, right for you. And I
> wish you luck!
It sounds like re-framing, which is a way of constructing a way of
looking at something that renders is as acceptable as possible.
I have nothing against re-framing, in fact, I use it a lot. I think
that 100 years ago, this would be what was meant by referring to
having a charitable spirit. There's never anything new under the
sun, just different words!
But there are some things in life that there is no possible way for
me to re-frame to make acceptable to me or to keep it from getting
to me. So I continue to work on my ability to forgive and, I
believe, the advantage to me is that it improves me as a person.
Something I read recently really struck me: forgiveness is not a
single act, it is a series of decisions. So at first maybe I have to
make the decision to forgive every three minutes. After a while, I
can go five minutes without needing to re-make that decision. And
then maybe half an hour.
One thing that helps me to forgive is to remember all the times I've
been given a kindness without earning it. My life has been full of
such things and it behoves me to pay it forward.
Shirley
Scorpio
> On Nov 20, 2:43 pm, Notorious* <notori...@ease.mil> wrote:
> > you get less upset. I realize there is a certain degree of arrogance in it.
> > But arrogance helps to not get provoked. Definitley no other likeness meant,
> > but even Jesus said forgive them because they don't know what they do.
>
>
> > Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
>
> Do you know how hard forgiveness is? Its really easy to give lip
> service to forgiveness. Scorpio asked me why I am here. Forgiveness is
> the one thing that eludes me. So maybe I'm here to learn how to
> forgive. The easy way to forgive someone is to pray for them.
Praying is not natural for me. Stop bringing everything down to your
fanatical religious level. I am not interested!
Scorpio
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:24:20 -0800 (PST), Scorpio <mwhit...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> you get less upset. I realize there is a certain degree of arrogance in it.
> But arrogance helps to not get provoked. Definitley no other likeness meant,
> but even Jesus said forgive them because they don't know what they do.
>
started her off on one of her tangents god help us all!
Megan
ps: to anybody reading this who doesn't know the characters on this
newsgroup and wonders if I'm deliberately trying to provoke, well you
could be right but Notorious and I are friends and it's not him I'm
trying to wind up and I know he knows that. :)