Why "treatment" doesn't work - alt.recovery.aa

Message from discussion Why "treatment" doesn't work
From: "JoeRaisin" <JoeRai...@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why "treatment" doesn't work
Date: 1999/09/28
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I think you over estimated how far it flew... I never got to try it as a
treatment mileu.
Far too many of my colleagues felt an alcohol abuser was just an alcoholic
who covered his/her tracks better.
While I didn't use the actual program of MM I did try moderation training
with about a dozen of my abuse clients during my time as a case manager.
Seemed to work for maybe 5 of 'em.  (at least they stopped getting into
trouble and/or showing up for PT or work drunk or hung over.)  3 decided
they couldn't do it and quit drinking all together with 2 deciding to go to
AA.  they rest....  Got more tattoos if you know what I mean.

BTW it ain't the a** anymore... these guys are getting their dogtag
information tattooed just below their armpits... OUCH!  They call 'em "meat
tags".

JoeRaisin

Julie wrote in message <19990927082104.26735.00005...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>Since the military treats alcohol abusers, I lobbied for the use of MM for
>>this population.  Care to guess how far it flew?  Yeah... about that far.
>>I often wonder what would have happened if it had been available during my
>>first encounter with military counselors way back in my early 20's.
>>Far too late for that now... If I ever start thinking I can, well, thanks
>>for doing the research Julie.
>>
>>JoeRaisin
>
>Can't say "it was my pleasure", Joe ;-), but I'm glad to hear you found my
>research in MM useful as a future deterent...
>
>The military is a perfect example of where MM might theoretically be useful
>(worship and glorification of "going ashore" drinking stories and "how I
got
>this tattoo on my a**"), but I can see exactly why it fell on its face. MM
>assumes the individual *can* and *wants* to moderate his/her intake. Seeing
as
>the military trains in hierarchy and black and white thinking (as far as
>following orders goes), it probably wouldn't be very successful in "the
>ranks"...
>
>Julie
>...the kingdom of heaven is within...
>