Kindle. Anybody have one.
jimbo
questions.
Jim
F.H.
> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
> questions.
Ping Gary
Fred Exley
Well, they can delete what you have on it without warning:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/25664/amazon-pulls-1984-kindle-ebook
And last I checked they cost around $350.
Case closed at this end.
S.LaRocca
1799ae...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
> questions.
> Jim
I load audio books in mp3 form right here on Usenet...Cost Zero.
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A fartin' horse is ready to retire....A fartin' man's the one to hire.
JoeRaisin
Interesting books to be pulled, considering the recent political
environment and direction.
Fred Exley
> to my bed and I read every night.
> It's pretty nice to get books cheaper and downloaded in less than a
> minute plus you get to 'try the book out' before buying it. They send
> you a sample if you want. It's about right size but a little touchy in
> the 'previous page' and 'next page' are easy to activate and they are on
> both sides. If you are reading a book and switch it off, when you
> switch it back on, it comes back to where you were. You can also
> highlight paragraphs in the book and access your highlighted items
> separately so you don'thave to flip through looking for something
> (although I have when I neglect to highlight something I like). Also
> make notes. All is kept on the Kindle with a backup at Amazon.
> Everything is transmitted wirelessly. You can also use it to wireless
> access to the general Internet but I haven't done much with that. I
> still read hard backs once in a while. Kindle books at Amazon are
> plentiful but not all. They also, of course, keep track of what you buy
> and what you look at so they make 'recommendations' of similar books.
> Most books are $9.99....so it's about half the price. Some classics are
> like a dollar and some research books are generally more.
>
> Gary
>
It's the terms of use that bothers me most -Orwellian indeed. And from
a cost analysis perspective, if the initial outlay is $350, and the
savings per-book is $10, you have to read 35 bestsellers just to get to
the break even point.
As for the Classics and more, we can all get them online for free:
http://educhoices.org/articles/Online_Libraries_-_25_Places_to_Read_Free_Books_Online.html
And lastly, there's something about the no-tech, simplest solution many
find aesthetically appealing. Any seasoned pilot worth his salt will
have an E6B Flight Computer (the name is misleading; it's a circular
slide rule) with him on all flights, eschewing any fancier device
requiring a computer chip, or even electricity. The slide rule works
24/7, is oblivious to power or other system failures, and never requires
an upgrade. Ditto the paper-based book.
Some people think a book should be handled with the utmost care and
respect, to where it's almost a sin to actually handle the book enough
just to read it. I take the opposite approach. If it's a great book, I
mark up significant passages, scribble notes on it, dog-ear pages of
interest -whatever it takes to suck the marrow out if it's thematic
content. I doubt that can be done on Kindle.
Kindle is the most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive device intended
to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been invented.
CW
>
> Kindle is the most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive device intended
> to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been invented.
>
Fred, have you met Hic yet?
Fred Exley
F.H.
LOL
F.H.
LMAO, miss Sam.
F.H.
> Fred Exley <fexl...@earthlink.net> said:
>> Kindle is the most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive device
>> intended to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been
>> invented.
>
> No that kind of category is reserved for humans......Did I miss that you
> own one?
Sounds like Fred has been reviewing his marked up copy of Atlas
Shrugged. Like a preacher brushing up on Daniel 7 in preparation for his
Sunday sermon. :)
Charlie L.
> Gary wrote:
>> On 2009-11-17 23:19:52 -0600, jimbo <jbl...@videotron.ca> said:
>>
>>> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
>>> questions.
>>> Jim
>>
>> Joan bought me one for a gift when they first shipped.
>>
>
> It's the terms of use that bothers me most -Orwellian indeed.
> respect,
> to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been invented.
No! No! No! Is not so! The most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive
device intended to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been
invented, is a beautiful, well designed, mechanically and electrically
sound, HP Pavilion, Media Center TV PC m7557c AMD 64X2 Dual Core 4600+ 2
GIG RAM with XP Service Pack 3 not installed, 200 MS patches and
upgrades behind, on which someone had installed AOL Services, Limewire,
'nd about every other P2P file sharing application in the world, been
running connected to the Internet with out firewall or NAT forever,
which came to me with at least five virus infections, spy-ware and
malware beyond my ability to count since I only got 20 fingers and toes.
Did I mention wurmy to boot too.
But by Gawd it back to life and a real screamer now. ;-)
But I think I gonna go down pasture and sit nekked on a fire ant hill
and resort to Primordial Screech Therapy for few hours. Even if it is
still cold out there.
http://the-old-gnu-zoo.org/photos/whew_goy.jpg
But sheesh! It was an opportunity 'nd challenge I wouldn't have missed
fer million of them Wally-Whurl Price tagger thangers.
CC
CW
> As for free books on the internet, I can't get my 24" iMac into bed with
> me comfortably at night when I read.
Yeah, I prefer to read laying down. And that's what's always stopped me
in the past from going completely paperless (although..., now that CRT
monitors have gone by the wayside....).
The whole proprietary thing with Amazon is a drag.., although
understandable. Still, it would be nice to be able to use it to
download any text-based doc I choose, including stuff from daily online
news sites.
> But Fred may be right, one should
> take this seriously. I'm going to give mine back to Joan. Didn't
> realize a mere electronic device could cause a rage like that.
> Dangerous, don't you think?
>
It might be safer for you, sure. But is it wise giving it back to her?
I mean, if poses that much of a risk?? I'm assuming, of course, that
you like her.... :)
My gf got her daughter one last Xmas. I asked her today when we talked
whether or not Kendel liked her Kindle. (Actually, I asked whether she
was showing any signs of being turned: glassy eyes, memory loss,
scratching or tenderness around the incision site where they insert the
USB port, or posting on her blog about the evils of technology....)
Apparently, Trish was more jazzed about buying it than Kendel was about
getting it (spoilt brat); it's never even been fired up! In Kendel's
defense though, it's not like she's got a lot of extra time on her
hands. What with working on a pre-vet program at the UA, plus working
part-time down at the stables....
Anyway...., based on our discussion (and prompted by this thread) Trish
offered to let me borrow it for awhile -- to see if I like it, AND so
that I can show her how to use it when I give it back. I'm hoping I
don't like it. Giving it back may cause a really big rift....
Fred Exley
You had me in total agreement with you at the mention of HP. Here's
what's left of my Pavilion 8180, which had that Media Center TV, and was
pretty neat back when it was new:
http://mypichost.biz/GetThis.aspx?owner=anybody&picId=hpPav.jpg
HP used to be an exceptional company, but they changed their business
model to be like everybody else, now they're crapola. I helped a
lady-friend shop for a new computer couple weeks ago, and she wouldn't
even consider any HP product. Apparently she is so pissed off at their
printer cartridge gouging that she's turned of by the whole company.
mikewestvale
I always wanted one of those HP beauties however when the time came I
preferred to go laptop and went with Dell.
Now I might like to have a Wally-Whurl Price tagger thanger if I gnu
what the hell it was.
Charlie L.
Gimme about fifteen minutes notice so I can beat my Ordained Unitarian
Minister Buddy, Mr. Serenity Sam S. in case he get wiff of it first 'nd
you can dump it in the Old GNU Zoo Dumpster 'ny time. ;-)
>
> HP used to be an exceptional company, but they changed their business
> model to be like everybody else, now they're crapola.
My own personal experience wouldn't let me say that. ;-)
But, I haven't bought *new* any kind of HP product in a number of years,
except printers. I did a little rebuttal to couple guys a couple of
years ago here on ARAA pertaining to the alleged Printer cartridge
gouging. I'd bought any number of the small el cheapo (throwaway, I
calls em) HP printers. ($25 to $30 range with the so called short supply
cartridges in em) and I'd average in most cases, a year or so, before
they run out or dried up. I don't do a lot of printing, but I'd say for
a home user I'm moderate to heavy. I had damn sight better luck with HP
than I did the higher priced Lexmarks in the same range. HP was a boon
to the Linux Community with their *early* on support for Linux drivers.
Way ahead of most companies or corporations.
I just last week gave my son Tony an HP Color Photo Ink jet, 4200 series
Scanner/Printer/etc. I'd put the tri color Vivera ink cartridge in it
and had been using it couple years, both photo quality prints on the
photo sized paper and regular utility color printing on standard paper.
He printed pretty furiously the first week he had it catching up on
stuff and it just a few days run out of color. Still Black and White
Okay though.
I've found most folk let an ink jet printer sit forever with never
running the cleaning and maintenance stuff on it and the majority of the
time, expect it to just work after sitting there and what they think is
*Out of Ink* is dried or plugged jets.
> I helped a lady-friend shop for a new computer couple weeks ago, and
> she wouldn't even consider any HP product. Apparently she is so
> pissed off at their printer cartridge gouging that she's turned of
> by the whole company.
Computer Illiterates and inept users, unjustified bitches, rumors and
complaints can make a dent in a company's reputation. ;-)
Guy brought this one that I worked on all night to fix and repair all
the *operator* abuse that had been heaped on it, sed as he was leaving,
"Never gonna buy 'nuther GD HP again."
I may give em choice when he come pick it up. Two or three hunnert
repair bill or sitting and listening to a 15 minute rant 'nd Charlie
lecture. May just call CPS(Computer Protective Services) on he ass and
find a foster home fer it. ;-)
CC
Charlie L.
> I always wanted one of those HP beauties however when the time came I
> preferred to go laptop and went with Dell.
>
> Now I might like to have a Wally-Whurl Price tagger thanger if I gnu
> what the hell it was.
They represented by them $ symbols. ;-)
HTH
CC
RonG
"jimbo" <jbl...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:9ae3f13f-d682-48d6...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
> questions.
> Jim
Don't own one myself. I have a daughter who has been looking at the new
one from sony, kinda hinting that it's Xmas time dad. If you are in the
market, you might take a look as I think she told me the sony has more
features.
RonG
Fred Exley
Your assessment is certainly more factual than mine. Besides my
lady-friend, I was going by a guy I met who had been downsized out of HP
awhile back -obviously not an impartial judge of the company :)
jimbo
> Joan bought me one for a gift when they first shipped. I park it next
> to my bed and I read every night.
Do you find it easier to read on Kindle than on an LCD monitor and can
you adjust contrast? Tks for the info.
Jim
Sharx35
"Gary" <yex...@sbell.net> wrote in message
news:2009111807544916807-yexxxx@sbellnet...
> my bed and I read every night.
> plus you get to 'try the book out' before buying it. They send you a
> sample if you want. It's about right size but a little touchy in the
> 'previous page' and 'next page' are easy to activate and they are on both
> sides. If you are reading a book and switch it off, when you switch it
> back on, it comes back to where you were. You can also highlight
> paragraphs in the book and access your highlighted items separately so you
> don'thave to flip through looking for something (although I have when I
> neglect to highlight something I like). Also make notes. All is kept on
> the Kindle with a backup at Amazon. Everything is transmitted wirelessly.
> You can also use it to wireless access to the general Internet but I
> haven't done much with that. I still read hard backs once in a while.
> Kindle books at Amazon are plentiful but not all. They also, of course,
> keep track of what you buy and what you look at so they make
> 'recommendations' of similar books. Most books are $9.99....so it's about
> half the price. Some classics are like a dollar and some research books
> are generally more.
>
> Gary
>
ALL items at the public library cost NOTHING, including electronic
downloads. That kind of frugality and respect for the buck allowed me to
retire from full-time work at 42.
Sharx35
> for free books on the internet, I can't get my 24" iMac into bed with me
> mere electronic device could cause a rage like that. Dangerous, don't you
> think?
>
Why does one have to READ IN BED? I can think of at least TWO far better
things to do in bed--one of them is SLEEP.
Sharx35
"Fred Exley" <fexl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:tVUMm.20806$gi1....@newsfe19.iad...
Our public library system here has MILLIONS of items....all for a $20 annual
family membership fee.
Rob D.
> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
> questions.
> Jim
I have a Sony Reader, Jim. Not quite the same thing (better, I
think, but that's subjective, of course). I really love mine.
Rob
Rob D.
>
> >> Fred Exley wrote:
>
> >>> Kindle is the most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive device
> >>> intended to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been
> >>> invented.
>
> >> Fred, have you met Hic yet?
>
> > I forgot to ttell Fred...he doesn't have to buy one.....it's optional.
> > As for free books on the internet, I can't get my 24" iMac into bed with
> > me comfortably at night when I read.
>
> Yeah, I prefer to read laying down. And that's what's always stopped me
> in the past from going completely paperless (although..., now that CRT
> monitors have gone by the wayside....).
>
> The whole proprietary thing with Amazon is a drag.., although
> understandable. Still, it would be nice to be able to use it to
> download any text-based doc I choose, including stuff from daily online
> news sites.
>
This is why I opted for the Sony rather than the Kindle.
You can get a feel for what you can do with a Sony (and a computer
with it, whereas the K does not need the computer) by downloading a
program called Calibre, and play around with the news site
subscriptions. You'll be able to "fake" what it would look like on
your Sony.
Rob
Rob D.
Sony is better than on an LCD, for me. I don't see a way to adjust
contrast, though.
You can see the Sony at Borders, Target, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, and
Staples (I think. It may have been Office Despot.)
I think Borders and Barnes and Noble both have their own readers
coming out soon, too. Apple will probably have a world-beater tablet
device next year, but I was tired of waiting on them.
Rob
jimbo
> Yes it has flaws and limitations.
Is it stand alone or does it have a USB port to allow you to down load
to a PC?
Jim
Rob D.
My understanding is that you can put your own content on it, but you
have to do it through Amazon, and they can review your content, to
make sure you are not breaking any laws.
The BB aspect of the Kindle was a bit off-putting to me.
(Of course, I don't have one, so I may be mistaken about this.)
With the Sony, I can put pretty much anything I want on it, from
Gutenberg, from UseNet, from anywheer on the net.
If I can get it into an html file, I can get it into the Sony.
Rob
Sharx35
> thinking about how does this compare to my LCD on the Mac. One thing is
> when I read a page on the Mac, it's easy to get lost in the print for me.
> In other words much more on a 'page'. Doesn't happen with the Kindle.
> I can hold it in one hand. I don't know how long
Good for porn then?
> the battery will last...I charge it when not using it, but I guess I've
> had this one for what, two years this Christmas. Is it worth the money?
> I don't know. They obviously sold a lot of them (millions) and apparently
> most are pleased. I found this on the web discusssion and is close to how
> I feel:
>
> . It's well-designed device, both in terms of the physical and the
> interaction design. It extends the reading experience in a number of
> dimensions making it more portable, more interactive, and more practical.
> Portable because I can now have a vast quantity of material with me
> without the bulk and weight. Interactive because it has enough
> connectivity to resources like a dictionary, Wikipedia, and web links to
> extend the reading experience to these associated data sources. Practical
> because I will definitely save money paying only $10 for new books instead
> of $15-20 or paying the cost of waiting for the paperback to come out.
>
> 2. I actually like the cover. It *does* seem like a kludge at first but it
> works well once you've spent a few minutes reading with the Kindle slipped
> into it. It also addresses the issue of transporting this around either by
> itself or in my gadget bag free from worries about scratching and bumps.
>
> 3. The ability to browse and sample, anytime I want is a game changer.
>
> Yes it has flaws and limitations. Yes the cost of entry is high (as it is
> for any first-gen device that redefines the space it competes in). Yes, I
> fully expect that future versions of the device will be more evolved and
> that, over time, the quantity of content will go up and the price will
> come down. I still couldn't wait to get my hands on one.
>
HankVC
jimbo <jbl...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
>questions.
>Jim
My answer (on top) is "no." I did consider buying one but:
1. A rather lengthy review of the kindle in The New Yorker last summer
laid out a good many low points about kindle vs. print. Evidently,
the kindle texts (often) have serious omissions or emendations,
missing graphics, etc. etc.
2. The texts you download are volatile. You don't get the text
permanently. It's like Microsoft---you pays your money, but it won't
work unless you let it "call home" and then only if "home" allows it.
(I can only presume here that it requires a connection to the internet
while you are trying to read something on it).
3. Not cheap to buy. And (like most consumer electronics) depreciates
very quickly.
4. It's a machine. Nothing can go wrong....go wrong...go wrong. One
more kloodge to break down in a house and life that is overly
encumbered with conveniences that aren't currently working.
5. And---the coup de grace for me---what's my preferred reading
environment. For me, that is a daily bedtime activity, and at other
times I'll lie down on a couch or bed to read for enjoyment. Been
that way for the past 70 years and I'd rather fight than switch,
particularly now that I'm at a stage of life where an afternoon rest
with a good book is needed if I'm trying to indulge in serious
physical activity.
Hank
Fred Exley
Well said sir!
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"
- Leonardo da Vinci
Sharx35
Some people in this newsgroup seem to NEED the ego bolstering that they get
from having the latest electronic toys.
HankVC
Gary <yex...@sbell.net> wrote:
>On 2009-11-20 20:34:20 -0600, han...@julie.lostwells.net (HankVC) said:
>
>> In article
><9ae3f13f-d682-48d6...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> jimbo <jbl...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
>>> questions.
>>> Jim
>>
>> My answer (on top) is "no." I did consider buying one but:
>>
>>
>> 3. Not cheap to buy. And (like most consumer electronics) depreciates
>> very quickly.
>
>items. When people might say the price is 'too high' (compared to
>what?), I'd ask if the investment got a return that you found
>acceptable, would you do it or just look at the price stand alone?
>True some people can't afford some technology period and they won't buy
>anything. It's the way the market works. Then there are people for
>whom $350 or so is not a big deal. In my case, my wife bought it for a
>present. So I got it 'free'.
>>
Well, around here, $350 is a big deal. And if someone is going to
give me one as a present, my current wish list for presents has
priorities (and costs) for items that I need and can use.
If I spent my money on having the "keep up with the Joneses latest and
greatest," I'd be scraping the barrel to buy groceries.
In the meantime, we've got a good library system here, so if I want to
read a book and don't want to buy it, I can generally get a copy and
read it for free.
>> 4. It's a machine. Nothing can go wrong....go wrong...go wrong. One
>> more kloodge to break down in a house and life that is overly
>> encumbered with conveniences that aren't currently working.
>
>I'm glad you like the having water pumped from a water pump in the
>front yard. I always liked to use that because you prime the pump and
>then the water is cold. Whether we approve or not, our present market
>(and world) depends upon technology as you do in posting here. Having
>been in technology fields (computers and telecom and with telecom
>technology advancement has been very slow until wireless and computer
>software started tunning networks, etc)
>>
And just how did you know that my well and water pump are in the front
yard? No need to prime it, it keeps the reservoir full on its own.
And it isn't all cold---the hot water heater supplies hot water to the
hot water taps, shower, dishwasher, etc.
>> 5. And---the coup de grace for me---what's my preferred reading
>> environment. For me, that is a daily bedtime activity, and at other
>> times I'll lie down on a couch or bed to read for enjoyment. Been
>> that way for the past 70 years and I'd rather fight than switch,
>> particularly now that I'm at a stage of life where an afternoon rest
>> with a good book is needed if I'm trying to indulge in serious
>> physical activity.
>
>I miss some things of my younger days, I guess. More mostalgia than
>anything. I see the 'world' as getting far too complicated (but that's
>probably for me). I was around when you had to go outside and turn an
>antenna around to a different direction to pick up one of the two
>channels you *might* be able to get with a snowy picture. And now it
>all bounces off a satellite to an area of the satellite 'shadow'.
>I can know what's going on anywhere within minutes usually and that's a
>bit of an overload on my brain, but it comes with the territory of
>living in a technologically 'advanced' civilization. While the idea of
>reading an electronic book is a relatively 'new' application, and I
>probably wouldn't have purchased this dude for myself, I use it and it
>seems to do all I need and then some which I don't.
Wonderful, wonderful/fabulous, fabulous. I don't have to worry about
television here. Over-the-air vanished with the change to digital,
And paying $69.95/mo. to a dish service isn't about to happen.
>
>But as I said earlier, it's optional. They seem to have sold several
>million of these things and are coming out with a newer version (a
>typical sure sign of success) so innovation in the USA is still working.
>
As I pointed out at the beginning in my response to Jimbo's query, I
decided NOT to buy one, and listed my reasons. Jimbo can decide for
himself if those reasons are valid for him.
In the meantime, reading on any electronic display (CRT, flat screen,
or whatever) I find difficult and tiresome. I have no reason to want
a "reader" toy, even for free. My old Laserjet 4MV printer does duty
printing off pdf files for some of my reference manuals, so I think
I'll stick with libraries and printed books a while longer, thank you.
Hank
Tara Green
> jimbo wrote:
>> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
>> questions.
>> Jim
>
>
> http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/25664/amazon-pulls-1984-kindle-ebook
>
>
> And last I checked they cost around $350.
>
> Case closed at this end.
PLus, instead of using a renewable and
recyclable resource (paper), it produces even
more plastics and toxic e-trash.
Books baby....they're still where its at :-)
Tara Green
>
>
> Kindle is the most fucked-up, anti-humanity, oppressive device intended
> to enslave our intellects and dignity that has ever been invented.
>
Besides Usenet.
;-)
Sharx35
>> <9ae3f13f-d682-48d6...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> jimbo <jbl...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> Does anyone on this group own a Kindle. I like the idea but have a few
>>> questions.
>>> Jim
>>
>> My answer (on top) is "no." I did consider buying one but:
>>
>> 1. A rather lengthy review of the kindle in The New Yorker last summer
>> laid out a good many low points about kindle vs. print. Evidently,
>> the kindle texts (often) have serious omissions or emendations,
>> missing graphics, etc. etc.
>
> came out and use it practically every night, I'll add my experience. To
> the best of my knowledge, the statement above has not been my experience.
> I say 'to the best of my knowledge' because if something is missing, I
> can't necessarily tell you that it was. But I've never (and that's never)
> had any distortion of text. Graphics isn't used much except when you shut
> down, you get something like a desktop image. Pretty good artwork,
> actually for such a simple (technologically) device.
>>
>> 2. The texts you download are volatile. You don't get the text
>> permanently. It's like Microsoft---you pays your money, but it won't
>> work unless you let it "call home" and then only if "home" allows it.
>> (I can only presume here that it requires a connection to the internet
>> while you are trying to read something on it).
>
> on the device. What you buy is backed up, by Amazon, on their site in
> case you remove something and want it back or you have some glitch that
> might cause of loss of files.
>>
>> 3. Not cheap to buy. And (like most consumer electronics) depreciates
>> very quickly.
>
> When people might say the price is 'too high' (compared to what?), I'd ask
> if the investment got a return that you found acceptable, would you do it
> or just look at the price stand alone? True some people can't afford some
> technology period and they won't buy anything. It's the way the market
> works. Then there are people for whom $350 or so is not a big deal. In
> my case, my wife bought it for a present. So I got it 'free'.
Bottom line is that the FAMILY UNIT's, i.e. BOTH spouses, assets are the
combined assets of both spouses. In other words, it was NOT free--bottom
line it cost YOUR FAMILY the same amount whether YOU bought it or SHE bought
it. That's why my wife and I do NOT buy gifts for each other...it comes out
of the same pocket so it is NOT a gift.
>>
>> 4. It's a machine. Nothing can go wrong....go wrong...go wrong. One
>> more kloodge to break down in a house and life that is overly
>> encumbered with conveniences that aren't currently working.
>
> I'm glad you like the having water pumped from a water pump in the front
> yard. I always liked to use that because you prime the pump and then the
> water is cold. Whether we approve or not, our present market (and world)
> depends upon technology as you do in posting here. Having been in
> technology fields (computers and telecom and with telecom technology
> advancement has been very slow until wireless and computer software
> started tunning networks, etc)
>>
>> 5. And---the coup de grace for me---what's my preferred reading
>> environment. For me, that is a daily bedtime activity, and at other
>> times I'll lie down on a couch or bed to read for enjoyment. Been
>> that way for the past 70 years and I'd rather fight than switch,
>> particularly now that I'm at a stage of life where an afternoon rest
>> with a good book is needed if I'm trying to indulge in serious
>> physical activity.
>
> I miss some things of my younger days, I guess. More mostalgia than
> anything. I see the 'world' as getting far too complicated (but that's
> probably for me). I was around when you had to go outside and turn an
> antenna around to a different direction to pick up one of the two channels
> you *might* be able to get with a snowy picture. And now it all bounces
> off a satellite to an area of the satellite 'shadow'.
> I can know what's going on anywhere within minutes usually and that's a
> bit of an overload on my brain, but it comes with the territory of living
> in a technologically 'advanced' civilization. While the idea of reading
> an electronic book is a relatively 'new' application, and I probably
> wouldn't have purchased this dude for myself, I use it and it seems to do
> all I need and then some which I don't.
>
> But as I said earlier, it's optional. They seem to have sold several
> million of these things and are coming out with a newer version (a typical
> sure sign of success) so innovation in the USA is still working.
>
> Pax,
> Gary
>
Sharx35
"HankVC" <han...@julie.lostwells.net> wrote in message
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Excellent post, Hank. The "consuming mentality" which states that one has
to buy, buy, buy reflects Marketing 101, i.e. creating the feeling of
WANT/NEED in the naive consumer's mind. I could surely shell out $350 USD
for such a device but Hell will fricking freeze over. I had frugality values
instilled in me and now I CHOOSE not to waste my money on such toys or other
wasteful items such as cable TV, satellite TV, bottled water, designer
coffee, name brand clothes, over size monitors etc.
mikewestvale
> "HankVC" <han...@julie.lostwells.net> wrote in message
>
> news:he9fm3$sj7$1...@aioe.org...
>
>
>
> > In article <2009112110383816807-yexxxx@sbellnet>,
> > Gary <yex...@sbell.net> wrote:
> >>On 2009-11-20 20:34:20 -0600, han...@julie.lostwells.net (HankVC) said:
>
> >>> In article
You are to be commended for not buying into the system however there
are a few niceties you do miss out on. Of those you listed I find
cable tv to offer me the most entertainment value for my dollar.
Bottled water is the biggest joke we accept --myself included.
Tex
<mikewe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sharx666 wrote:
>> Excellent post, Hank. �The "consuming mentality" which states that one has
>> to buy, buy, buy reflects Marketing 101, i.e. creating the feeling of
>> WANT/NEED in the naive consumer's mind. I could surely shell out $350 USD
>> for such a device but Hell will fricking freeze over. I had frugality values
>> instilled in me and now I CHOOSE not to waste my money on such toys or other
>> wasteful items such as cable TV, satellite TV, bottled water, designer
>> coffee, name brand clothes, over size monitors etc.
Mike wrote:
>
>You are to be commended for not buying into the system however there
>are a few niceties you do miss out on. Of those you listed I find
>cable tv to offer me the most entertainment value for my dollar.
>Bottled water is the biggest joke we accept --myself included.
Tom wrote:
Seems to be an individual choice deal to get the most bang for buck
or/and a matter of choice. One might find bottled water a joke while
another finds large monitors a waste, yet, for some neither is viewed
in such a light.
The towns water supply is such it is almost unfit to drink and bottled
water fits the bill nicely not to mention since having a tendency to
develop kidney stones it is helpful in cutting down on there them
showing up. A few pennies might be saved with a filter system, but
it's not worth the trouble and with bottled water I actually drink
more water like I'm suppose to.
Located in the foothills it's satelite tv or cable or no reception at
all and the larger screened tv actually makes sporting events worth
watching and in HD even better too ....there isn't a local branch of
the library ... closet one is 20 miles down the road ...so wireless
internet and the few extra bucks makes it a bargain compared to dialup
or driving back n' forth to town.
Two packs of smokes a day instead of a women 24/7 is another of the
choice deals and depends on the individual ...Myself I figure if I pay
my monthly nut and taxes ... whatever I have left over is mine to do
with as I see fit ...just like it is the other persons ... someone
wants to bury it in the backyard or buy fancy coffee and they have the
bucks ... more power to them ... life is too short to live it to suit
some other goof balls idea of what is the proper way to live...a 13
inch screen or a 60 inch screen doesn't make one person better or
worse than another. IMO.
Sharx35
"Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What's with a municipality that can't or won't provide potable water for its
citizenry?
Tex
wrote:
>
>What's with a municipality that can't or won't provide potable water for its
>citizenry?
It's provided and legally drinkable....it's just foul tasting stuff...
and if you cook or make coffee/tea with it you only taste the foul
....like I said it's a choice deal ... most locals make the choice for
bottled or filter'd water for those purposes.
As I'm suppose to drink as much water daily as possible ... I don't
look upon it as a waste of money. I have nothing against saving a
penny, but I ain't going to torture myself to do it.
Sharx35
Admittedly, I drink very little water even though there is nothing wrong
with tap water here. It does make good coffee and tea, though. I get a lot
of water through the buttermilk I drink, too.
Tex
wrote:
Also being where there isn't any radio/tv reception readily available
I don't mind paying for it, but will admit more than once lately I've
thought of dropping it ....We got a rag tag outfit that offers
wireless and it's over priced, but the only other ballgame is dialup
and when I look at the use I get out of it... I get a pretty good bang
for the buck so it doesn't bother me.
Fortunately I'm not into eating ...except ya got to eat ....so I have
no problem passing up a bunch of stuff ....last week a head of lettuce
was 99 cents and today it was $2.49 ...so screw the lettuce until it
drops in price. The cats eat better than I do, but that doesn't bother
me...for some reason.
Clothes I could care less about .... except for shoes ... no cheap
feet eating and feet twisters for me. Don't get haircuts anymore and
only shaved twice in the last year. Like I said most of it is just
personal choice ...within my means of course. If I had more means I
suppose I might have a few more toys, but basically at this point in
my life it wouldn't change much.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
yer hair to the comb size. It will last well beyond $1 a haircut. you
can shave with it too. The bum look is in style.
> Clothes I could care less about .... except for shoes ... no cheap
Wear a sheet and a towel on your head and a pair of $200 pumps. You'll
walk on water.
Tex
Good sound advice .... now I know why I keep coming back.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Its supposed to be experience strength & hope but it has turned into a
lecture arena with a captured audience.
I do not like grubby stinking hypocritical barbers touching me. When I
was young all the girls in the neighborhood wanted to cut my hair and
I could walk barefoot for miles.
Today I like a good pair of shoes and short hair to save on shampoo. I
still prefer a clean shave not like the rest of the celebrity bums.
mikewestvale
Who says your a celebrity?
Tex
<hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can understand the barefoot in youth and shoes with a good
foundation as I age.... never had any gals that wanted to cut my hair
... a few wanted to cut a rug ... but I don't dance.
Shaving is a waste of good money and time.... not the celebrity shadow
... the hermit growth is what makes the crackers float in the bowl.
Tex
Who says he ain't?
mgh
"mikewestvale" <mikewe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Say what?
Everybody knows him!!!
Tragically he's in the news right now...
;-)
peace
mgh
My idol!!!
http://tinyurl.com/hiccum
(David P.)
> Hiccum Blurpaedius <hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Excuse me.
> >Its supposed to be experience strength & hope but it has
> >turned into a lecture arena with a captured audience.
> >When I was young all the girls in the neighborhood wanted to
> >cut my hair and I could walk barefoot for miles. Today I like a
> >good pair of shoes and short hair to save on shampoo. I still
> >prefer a clean shave not like the rest of the celebrity bums.
>
> foundation as I age.... never had any gals that wanted to cut
>
> Shaving's a waste of money/time.... not the celebrity shadow...
> the hermit growth's what makes the crackers float in the bowl.