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Mike T.
May 21, 2013, 3:21:29 PM5/21/13
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There was a section in the Delegate's report about the General Service
Conference reviewing a draft pamphlet which focuses on spirituality and
includes stories from atheists and agnostics who are sober in
Alcoholics Anonymous. It was decided the draft pamphlet would not be
published and returned to to the literature committee for further
discussion and possible inclusion in the 2014 committee meeting.
A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
"look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
rejected.
The Blue Card open meeting statement will be revised to include in bold
print: "Nonalcoholics may attend open meetings as observers."
A motion to add an index to the Big Book was rejected due to the fact
that the book is spiritual rather than academic and an index may
discourage a full reading of the material.
Conference reviewing a draft pamphlet which focuses on spirituality and
includes stories from atheists and agnostics who are sober in
Alcoholics Anonymous. It was decided the draft pamphlet would not be
published and returned to to the literature committee for further
discussion and possible inclusion in the 2014 committee meeting.
A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
"look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
rejected.
The Blue Card open meeting statement will be revised to include in bold
print: "Nonalcoholics may attend open meetings as observers."
A motion to add an index to the Big Book was rejected due to the fact
that the book is spiritual rather than academic and an index may
discourage a full reading of the material.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:37:20 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
This was also brought up prior to the 50th anniversary and it was
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
decided that publishing a
"fake" 1st edition was devaluing the real edition.
A guy in Akron published a fake with the same run size as the
original and sold then for 15$ each.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:37:29 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:37:36 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:37:55 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:38:00 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:41:35 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:41:38 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:41:42 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 15:21, "Mike T." wrote:
> A 75th anniversary commemorative edition of the Big Book that has the
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
> "look and feel" of the first edition first printing Big Book was
> rejected.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:42:24 PM5/21/13
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Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:42:56 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 17:41, Jimbo wrote:
> A guy in Akron published a fake with the same run size as the
> original and sold then for 15$ each.
Yikes! Google gone wild!
> A guy in Akron published a fake with the same run size as the
> original and sold then for 15$ each.
Jimbo
May 21, 2013, 5:43:15 PM5/21/13
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On 21 May, 17:41, Jimbo wrote:
> A guy in Akron published a fake with the same run size as the
> original and sold then for 15$ each.
Yikes! Google gone wild!
> original and sold then for 15$ each.
Crus...@nomail.com
May 21, 2013, 7:27:35 PM5/21/13
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electrical power plant. Feed them into the furnace. The heat generated
will create electricity. At least this way, these books will serve a
purpose other than polluting the minds of people with cult religion.
Plus, Anyone wanting a higher power can stick their fingers into an
outlet.
Less people will die from sticking their fingers into an outlet, than
presently die from suicide as a result of AA brainwashing.
Mark Warner
May 22, 2013, 12:48:28 PM5/22/13
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On 5/21/2013 3:21 PM, Mike T. wrote:
> There was a section in the Delegate's report about the General Service
> Conference reviewing a draft pamphlet which focuses on spirituality and
> includes stories from atheists and agnostics who are sober in
> Alcoholics Anonymous. It was decided the draft pamphlet would not be
> published and returned to to the literature committee for further
> discussion and possible inclusion in the 2014 committee meeting.
I'd like to read that draft. I'm betting it was rejected because the
> There was a section in the Delegate's report about the General Service
> Conference reviewing a draft pamphlet which focuses on spirituality and
> includes stories from atheists and agnostics who are sober in
> Alcoholics Anonymous. It was decided the draft pamphlet would not be
> published and returned to to the literature committee for further
> discussion and possible inclusion in the 2014 committee meeting.
atheists and agnostics didn't end up swallowing the Gawd shit in the end.
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
Skeezix LaRocca
May 22, 2013, 1:01:00 PM5/22/13
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On 05/22/2013 12:48 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
> I'd like to read that draft. I'm betting it was rejected because the
> atheists and agnostics didn't end up swallowing the Gawd shit in the end.
>
And the Gawd Squad is still shittin' on us, Warner...Ain't right...Ain't
>
> I'd like to read that draft. I'm betting it was rejected because the
> atheists and agnostics didn't end up swallowing the Gawd shit in the end.
>
right, I say.
--
Dr. Skeezix LaRocca, D.B. (Doctor Of Buffoonery)
Registered Linux Novice & Abuser #526706
We aren't cheap, but we're reasonable
No appointment needed
Mike T.
May 22, 2013, 1:30:08 PM5/22/13
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articles, and inclusiveness of the belief systems.
In other words, no one could agree on a flawed product so they sent it
back to where it belonged.
Mark Warner
May 22, 2013, 1:39:48 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 1:30 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
> In other words, no one could agree on a flawed product so they sent it
> back to where it belonged.
Sure can't have any flawed products in the AA canon.
>
> In other words, no one could agree on a flawed product so they sent it
> back to where it belonged.
Mike T.
May 22, 2013, 2:24:44 PM5/22/13
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Mark Warner wrote:
>On 5/22/2013 1:30 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>>
>>In other words, no one could agree on a flawed product so they sent
>>it back to where it belonged.
>
>Sure can't have any flawed products in the AA canon.
My experience is that I came to AA as a non-believer but was willing to
>On 5/22/2013 1:30 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>>
>>In other words, no one could agree on a flawed product so they sent
>>it back to where it belonged.
>
>Sure can't have any flawed products in the AA canon.
try what was suggested in order to establish a relationship with God.
Even though I didn't believe at the time, the action of humbling myself
to the point of going through the motions prepared me for the moment
that my own power was completely insufficient in preventing the bottle
from reaching my lips. That was when I called on a God I didn't
believe in to take away the insane compulsion to drink and it was
instantly removed, replaced by a sense of calm and serenity that I had
not ever experienced. That was when I realized I was completely
powerless over alcohol and that there was a God that was powerful.
Experiences similar to this are heard everyday in AA meetings, far more
than those who deny the existence of God. Why bend over backwards for
a fringe group of people who scoff at the very basic foundation of the
recovery program of Alcoholics Anonymous? Why pollute the AA message
with concepts that have no basis and don't work for the real alcoholic?
Why provide misinformation to the struggling alcoholic that they don't
need anything but their own willpower to be relieved of their alcoholic
obsession? Don't drink and go to meetings. That's all you need for
sobriety. Bullshit! The AA program of recovery is at the very least
contingent upon turning over our lives and wills over to the care of a
Higher Power, cleaning up our past, and helping others. A loophole was
provided to the newcomer to get them started on their spiritual journey
by suggesting the substitution of a power greater than themselves, but
that's contingent on the newcomer willing to move beyond that limited
conception at some time hopefully. Those who refuse to adopt these
basic principles are doing something other than the AA program but
still want to claim they are "doing the program". What program is
that? It certainly isn't AA. Oh, wait... AA is anything you want it
to be, I forgot that part.
I'm sure the day will come when the AA program of recovery will be
watered down to the point that there is no reference to God or alcohol
anymore. In the meantime I will continue to share my experience,
strength and hope which has been based upon the lessons I've learned
from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. A book written a long time
ago that doesn't apply anymore according to many people today.
Mark Warner
May 22, 2013, 3:42:54 PM5/22/13
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Skeezix LaRocca
May 22, 2013, 3:47:59 PM5/22/13
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On 05/22/2013 02:24 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
> I'm sure the day will come when the AA program of recovery will be
> watered down to the point that there is no reference to God or alcohol
> anymore. In the meantime I will continue to share my experience,
> strength and hope which has been based upon the lessons I've learned
> from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. A book written a long time
> ago that doesn't apply anymore according to many people today.
That is total bullshit...I hear *more* God talk & less taking some
>
> I'm sure the day will come when the AA program of recovery will be
> watered down to the point that there is no reference to God or alcohol
> anymore. In the meantime I will continue to share my experience,
> strength and hope which has been based upon the lessons I've learned
> from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. A book written a long time
> ago that doesn't apply anymore according to many people today.
responsibility out of people today, than when I first came in...It's
almost like some throw up the God shield to justify them whining trough,
instead of working the steps.
Also, maybe a little less talk about alcohol, and how it was alcohol
that fucked up their lives, just might be in order...I was a dry train
wreck from the day I took my last drink, until I had about one year in
the program, and I spent over 6 years dry, pre-AA...You hear guys in the
program with long standing sobriety that seem to qualify any type of bad
behavior in their lives by parroting the phrase..."At least I didn't
have to drink over it."...That's great, providing something like the
passing of a loved one just happened, or you're a newbie still craving a
drink, but if you have 20 years in and you rant and rave at your wife
because she called you a dickhead, or your neighbor farted in your
general direction, you might want to focus on how come you're still
acting like an asshole, instead of patting yourself on the back because
you didn't drink.
If I'm ever asked how come I still go to meetings, I will usually
say...because I want a good life, but if I take a drink, all bets are off.
For some, not taking a drink is the brass ring...Sorry, that is setting
the bar a little low...When I first came in, this grinning old fuck used
to say..."I'd rather die drunk, than sober and miserable."...I thought
that was terrible....Now, I agree 100% with him.
I'm just guessing that for most of us, if it wasn't booze, it'd have
been something else that we let fan the fires of a dysfunctional life.
groundhog
May 22, 2013, 5:11:59 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:47:59 -0400, Skeezix LaRocca
<fatl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When I first came in, this grinning old fuck used
> to say..."I'd rather die drunk, than sober and miserable."
<fatl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When I first came in, this grinning old fuck used
> to say..."I'd rather die drunk, than sober and miserable."
> I thought that was terrible....Now, I agree 100% with him.
Nice.
Bumper sticker material... :)
--
~
peace
mgh
Mark Warner
May 22, 2013, 8:37:33 PM5/22/13
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On 05/22/2013 03:47 PM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
> You hear guys in the
> program with long standing sobriety that seem to qualify any type of bad
> behavior in their lives by parroting the phrase..."At least I didn't
> have to drink over it."...That's great, providing something like the
> passing of a loved one just happened, or you're a newbie still craving a
> drink, but if you have 20 years in and you rant and rave at your wife
> because she called you a dickhead, or your neighbor farted in your
> general direction, you might want to focus on how come you're still
> acting like an asshole, instead of patting yourself on the back because
> you didn't drink.
I've decided that boiled down to its essence, AA is a 2-step program:
> You hear guys in the
> program with long standing sobriety that seem to qualify any type of bad
> behavior in their lives by parroting the phrase..."At least I didn't
> have to drink over it."...That's great, providing something like the
> passing of a loved one just happened, or you're a newbie still craving a
> drink, but if you have 20 years in and you rant and rave at your wife
> because she called you a dickhead, or your neighbor farted in your
> general direction, you might want to focus on how come you're still
> acting like an asshole, instead of patting yourself on the back because
> you didn't drink.
quit drinking, and quit being an asshole. The first is handled in short
order with Step One; the latter takes the other eleven.
What pisses a lot of people off is when I say that drinking is not an
issue for me anymore, that I learned I could take it or leave it
(although leaving it was something I originally didn't think was
possible), and that today I chose to leave it.
--
Mark Warner
PCLinuxOS
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying
Skeezix LaRocca
May 23, 2013, 8:24:16 AM5/23/13
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On 05/22/2013 08:37 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
> I've decided that boiled down to its essence, AA is a 2-step program:
> quit drinking, and quit being an asshole. The first is handled in short
> order with Step One; the latter takes the other eleven.
>
> What pisses a lot of people off is when I say that drinking is not an
> issue for me anymore, that I learned I could take it or leave it
> (although leaving it was something I originally didn't think was
> possible), and that today I chose to leave it.
>
Prezactly.
>
> I've decided that boiled down to its essence, AA is a 2-step program:
> quit drinking, and quit being an asshole. The first is handled in short
> order with Step One; the latter takes the other eleven.
>
> What pisses a lot of people off is when I say that drinking is not an
> issue for me anymore, that I learned I could take it or leave it
> (although leaving it was something I originally didn't think was
> possible), and that today I chose to leave it.
>
Charlie M. 1958
May 23, 2013, 8:51:02 AM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 7:24 AM, Skeezix LaRocca wrote:
> On 05/22/2013 08:37 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>
>> I've decided that boiled down to its essence, AA is a 2-step program:
>> quit drinking, and quit being an asshole. The first is handled in short
>> order with Step One; the latter takes the other eleven.
>>
>> What pisses a lot of people off is when I say that drinking is not an
>> issue for me anymore, that I learned I could take it or leave it
>> (although leaving it was something I originally didn't think was
>> possible), and that today I chose to leave it.
>>
>
> Prezactly.
Amen!
> On 05/22/2013 08:37 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>
>> I've decided that boiled down to its essence, AA is a 2-step program:
>> quit drinking, and quit being an asshole. The first is handled in short
>> order with Step One; the latter takes the other eleven.
>>
>> What pisses a lot of people off is when I say that drinking is not an
>> issue for me anymore, that I learned I could take it or leave it
>> (although leaving it was something I originally didn't think was
>> possible), and that today I chose to leave it.
>>
>
> Prezactly.
Mark Warner
May 23, 2013, 9:50:31 AM5/23/13
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Charlie M. 1958
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