At it again, Charlie
Mark Warner
Got turned on to a great little tool for managing partitions, BootItNG:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
...which flawlessly shrank my whole drive Windows NTFS partition to 60%
of its previous size, freeing up more room for more playtoys. Gave SuSE
10 a shot; that was the longest PITA install I've done in a while, and
it forked my grub in the process (installed it's own, which worked okay,
but it didn't give me choice -- that's what pissed me off). Then it
didn't detect the nVidia card, so there weren't no pointin' and clickin'
to get the Twin View. Blew that out and figured if I was gonna have to
mess with the CLI, I'd go back and start fresh with Ubuntu, now that
I've got a /little/ bit of clue about what I'm doin'.
Gettin' quicker at this stuff every time:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2366/ubuntuscreen6do.jpg
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Mark Warner
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
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Chronocidal Charlie
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I was just telling Ken P. a bit ago that I'd found myself open eyed at
the wee hour of about three this morning and realized there was a
ceiling over my bed. Hadn't noticed it in a while but decided I didn't
have much need laying there looking at it. Just an ordinary ceiling
anyway and ya know how it is with ceilings. Seen one, ya pretty much
seen em all, particularly if, like I, you've seen the one in the
Cappella Sistina that Michelangelo Buonarrito, lay on his back for so
many painstaking hours on a pallet on a scaffold, diddling with and
since my arms weren't long enough, I didn't have a scaffold rigged and
don't keep paint and brushes in my bed, I got up and played with the
computer for a while. ;-)
I came to realize KDE had come out with 3.5.1 while I was napping and
that Kubuntu had already set up a repository for it. I didn't want
Kubuntu, so I did a complete new install of Breezy 5.10 and then set it
for universe, multiverse and added
deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
and wound up with a breezy with full compliment of KDE 3.5.1. I'll throw
up a shot of it in a bit and hang a url for ya.
I wound up replacing on of my monitors that the high voltage was
fritzing on. Wally-World still has the KDS 17" full flats in stock and
has reduced them to $108, and while I was there it seems 80 gig of HD
fell off the shelf into my cart. It started raining like hell while I
was in there, but "Old Maintenance Man" had gone with me, on the notion
that I ought to not be lifting shit like boxes of monitors so he got his
ass wet carrying it to the truck while I ran like hell and was safe,
snug and dry in the cab while he cussed his good deeds and intentions
going to hell in a hand basket. Shit. What the hell or friends for
anyway. ;-)
SUSE 10.0, or at least my SUSE 10.0 gives an option to configure the
boot loader, install or don't install and where and how. It's in the
final configuration stage. You just have to look for it. I've never used
SUSE on a system with an nVidia card so I can't venture there. I'm
running it with an ATI 256 meg Radeon 9550 with the standard xorg ati
drivers and it's doing quite well with a lot of frill tweaking added in
that isn't all that observable in the simple documentation without
reading the fine print. ;-)
One nice thing about this stuff is that once you get comfortable with it
you can scrub a whole damn system and be back up with another most time
in a matter of an hour, more or less, that don't require two or three
hours on the phone with Bangladesh Betty or Calcutta Chandra getting
reactivated. But I got to be pretty good friends with Chandra in
Calcutta. That shit head in Singapore was a real boar though.
Ah what the hell, I keep fergitten I got secure shell and control that
breezy 'chine frum here on this SUSE. here a screen shot of breezy in
Gnome with Konqueror out of 3.5.1 opened.
http://home.hot.rr.com/olgnuby/breezy.jpg
Tomorrow 'sposed to be a black Friday. You Winders users be keerful now
ya heah. Don't be looking fer no *strange* *stuff* ;-)
Breezy does it. ;-)
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>
> One nice thing about this stuff is that once you get comfortable with it
> you can scrub a whole damn system and be back up with another most time
> in a matter of an hour, more or less,
Ayup... like I said, I'm gettin' quicker all the time.
> > Ah what the hell, I keep fergitten I got secure shell and control that
> breezy 'chine frum here on this SUSE. here a screen shot of breezy in
> Gnome with Konqueror out of 3.5.1 opened.
>
> http://home.hot.rr.com/olgnuby/breezy.jpg
Just lookin' at that made my head hurt.
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Mark Warner
Xandros v3.0.2 OCE
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Chronocidal Charlie
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Mark Warner wrote:
> Chronocidal Charlie wrote:
>>
>> One nice thing about this stuff is that once you get comfortable with it
>> you can scrub a whole damn system and be back up with another most time
>> in a matter of an hour, more or less,
>
> Ayup... like I said, I'm gettin' quicker all the time.
>
>> > Ah what the hell, I keep fergitten I got secure shell and control that
>> breezy 'chine frum here on this SUSE. here a screen shot of breezy in
>> Gnome with Konqueror out of 3.5.1 opened.
>>
>> http://home.hot.rr.com/olgnuby/breezy.jpg
>
> Just lookin' at that made my head hurt.
>
It ain't even finished yet. ;-)
I still gotta configure the pgp shit, Haven't put mplayer nor any my
win32 codecs or the Mozilla mplayer plugin nor Sun JRE. Do have it
gehawing with both networked printers, ssh, tightvnc and stuff, but
still wanting my holodeck with hot and cold running maid service and
virtual vixens w/voice activation. ;-)
Found a fellow the other day who has done an extension for Firefox that
gives full activex to Mozilla under Linux, but the url and name slips my
mind at present. I'll prolly play with it in addition. CNN has got kind
of 'snickity with some of the video stuff and has AOL hosting a bunch o
fit so the standard mplayer plugin won't catch some of it. I'll prolly
make that a need to do project.
Of course I'll have to be able to play my content protected DVD stuff on
it also since I paid fer the damn stuff and the content providers too
damn lazy or obstinate or in MS pockets to give me a key to use the door
I've got a right to use to look at the shit through an OS of my choice
and not one they prescribe for me.
Gotta git thet animated wall paper of me and thet ex-gurl friend of mine
in thet hammock out in the back yard also. I may not be able to stand up
in a hammock anymore, but it don't hurt none to 'member the gud times
wiff sum them good ole gals. ;-)
I'll catch ya later Mark. Yew doing gud werk fer a Hoosier. ;-)
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Mark Warner
Trying another one: Vector Linux SOHO 5.1.1
Looked pretty nice initially, but it's based on Slackware so it's
different enough from what I've been messing with lately that I can't
get the dual monitors going. On top of that, it didn't detect my printer
during installation, and I can't figure out how to get it working. KDE
acts like I don't have a printer plugged in. <shrug>
Stepped away from it for the time being. Looks promising enough that I
figure it's worth further investigation, but I don't want to get too
pissed at it and blow it away.
Maybe one of the Slack guys can point me in the right direction...
Mark Warner
> On top of that, it didn't detect my
> printer during installation, and I can't figure out how to get it
> working. KDE acts like I don't have a printer plugged in. <shrug>
Had to tell it to use CUPS. <duh>
Got a headache trying to install the nVidia drivers... install script
gets going good, then craps out and tells me to exit x... :-(
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8178.html
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Chronocidal Charlie
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Mark Warner wrote:
> Mark Warner wrote:
>> On top of that, it didn't detect my
>> printer during installation, and I can't figure out how to get it
>> working. KDE acts like I don't have a printer plugged in. <shrug>
>
> Had to tell it to use CUPS. <duh>
>
> Got a headache trying to install the nVidia drivers... install script
> gets going good, then craps out and tells me to exit x... :-(
>
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8178.html
>
If you're in Ubuntu, close down you session in x, and then ctl-alt-f2 or
f3 to get to a tty. run the command
#sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
If you're runnin gdm for a windows display manager, if using kdm
substitute kdm in place of gdm.
Then cd to the directory where you have the nvidia script and do a
#sh NVIDIA(whatever).run
or a simpler way, is to use the Ubuntu, nvidia-glx and
nvidia-kernel-common packages along with the
linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386 package which if you have your
/etc/apt/sources.list set for main and restricted which is install
default, they should already be on the machine, the modules that is for
the rest all you actually need to do is apt-get
nvidia-glx
nvidia-kernel-common
nvidia-settings
and then use the same xorg.conf you use in your other distos except make
what adjustments you need to make to FontPaths. Best way to do that is
just cut and paste the Files Section out of your original defauld
xorg.conf that Ubuntu put on during install for the regular single head
with the nv driver.
I believe Ubuntu's nvidia stuff is about as current as the the nVidia
commercial packages and less hassle. ;-)
Drop me an e if you have more difficulties wih it. That shot I put up
last night is running on the Ubuntu drivers as I explained above.
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http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Setting_Up_a_Network_Printer_using_CUPS
I know it is talking about networked printers, but it tells how to set
up the printer on the parallel port. I just used it for a networked
printer and it worked for me.
HTH
Ken P.
Mark Warner
> Mark Warner wrote:
>>
>> Got a headache trying to install the nVidia drivers... install script
>> gets going good, then craps out and tells me to exit x... :-(
>>
>> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8178.html
>
> If you're in Ubuntu, close down you session in x, and then ctl-alt-f2
> or f3 to get to a tty. run the command
Sorry I confused you with that sig line, CC. I did post that from
Ubuntu, but my problem is/was with this new Slackware-based Vector Linux
I'm trying. I got the Unbuntu twinview up and running in no time with
this:
http://www.glawing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14
I got past the "exit x" thing by rebooting into text mode. <duh>
But now the installer says it can't detect the proper kernel module,
tries to download one, then tries to compile one. No joy. This is a
relatively recent version of this distro (Vector Linux SOHO v5.1.1);
maybe it's using an updated kernel that nVidia hasn't caught up with?
<shrug>
Too bad, too. Looks to be a keeper, but this dual view thing has spoiled
me. Could be a deal-breaker...
Mark Warner
>
> Mark, try this for your printer.
>
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Setting_Up_a_Network_Printer_using_CUPS
>
> I know it is talking about networked printers, but it tells how to set
> up the printer on the parallel port. I just used it for a networked
> printer and it worked for me.
Thanks, Ken. Got that figured out -- all I had to do was tell KDEPrint
to use CUPS, and I was in business. Never had to do that before; all the
other nix installs I've played with had that set as the default, but for
some reason this one didn't.
I explained my difficulties with the nVidia drivers to Charlie above.
Dunno what the problem is, but at this point I'm thinkin' it's waaay
beyond my point-n-click and command-line-by-copying capabilities.
Chronocidal Charlie
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Okay, now I got ya. There may not be a module at nVidia' site for that
particular kernel that Vector is using. In that case you will need
either the matching kernel headers or a configured kernel source in
/usr/src/linux I have on occasion got one to compile with just the
headers, but it's iffy and the best thing I've found to do is install
the kernel sources and configure them with the config file in /boot with
the installed kernel so all matches up. Hell, it's about time for you
to configure and build a custom kernel frum scratch anyway ain't it. ;-)
http://shorterlink.com/?HB3PX5
I've never compiled a kernel on a Slack based system so it might be good
to knock on Ken P. He's been using Slack since Hecktor was a gleam in
his Daddy's eyes.
Fire that compiler up and burn some source thar feller. ;-)
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Mark Warner
>
> Okay, now I got ya. There may not be a module at nVidia' site for that
> particular kernel that Vector is using. In that case you will need
> either the matching kernel headers
I had already used the update manager and did a search on nvidia, and
did get one thing that talked about kernel headers needed for nvidia and
other stuff. Didn't help. :-(
I won't shit can this yet; we'll see what kind of learning experiences I
can have over the weekend. Come Sunday night, it'll either work or it'll
be offa here.
Ken P
> But now the installer says it can't detect the proper kernel module,
> tries to download one, then tries to compile one. No joy. This is a
> relatively recent version of this distro (Vector Linux SOHO v5.1.1);
> maybe it's using an updated kernel that nVidia hasn't caught up with?
> <shrug>
>
> Too bad, too. Looks to be a keeper, but this dual view thing has spoiled
> me. Could be a deal-breaker...
>
Check /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
Tried this on three different boxes, none with a Nvidia card. Two
boxes built the Nvidia module but couldn't load it. The VLSOHO5.1.1
box couldn't build the module. It doesn't have the kernel source.
I downloaded Kernel 2.6.15.2 from Kernel.org.
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6
Moved it to /usr/src. Did a "tar xvzf linux.2.6.15.2.tar.gz"
did a "mv linux linux.old" Then a "ln -s linux.2.6.15.2 linux"
"cd linux" Do "make menuconfig". Should bring up a screen for Linux
Kernel v2.6.15.2 Configuration. Select "Load an alternate
Configuration File", Put "/boot/config-2.6.13" as the file you wish to
load. This will build your kernel with the same innards as the one you
booted with. Tab to ok and hit return. Select Exit and hit return.
Answer Yes, you wish to save your new kernel configuration. After
doing this you should see *** End of kernel configuration.
Do a "make" and go get a drink! I do all of this as root.
If things go right you should see your root prompt after a lot of
stuff goes by your screen. Should not show error 1 or error 2 when it
stops. Then do "make modules_install install"
reboot after this finishes and you should be on your new kernel.
Warning! Warning! do this on a test box that you don"t care if you
lose everything. This is what I did this afternoon and it worked. The
documentation does not tell you to do it this way anymore.
After booting if things look good, then run your Nvidia install again.
If you are already building the module ok, then all of this probably
won't help. After I rebooted , the Nvidia module was built with no
problem on the VLSOHO box. Still didn't load though, no card. :-)
Ken P
Mark Warner
How, Ken. Dunno what to say... you see, I got pissed at the damn thing
("Fukkit -- if I gotta go through all that shit...") and blew up the
VLSOHO partition this afternoon.
Now you got me feelin' guilty for puttin' you through all that trouble.
Looks like I'll have to load 'er up again and see what I can screw up.
Actually, some time back I set up an old box with removable hard drives
for testing purposes when I decided to give this Linux shit a shot.
Since then I've gotten a little more proficient at drive management and
partitioning, to the point where my more recent experiments have all
been on my main machine. In this case, I think I fire that old K6/256
back up and see what kind of damage I can do.
Thanks for following up.
Ken P
> How, Ken. Dunno what to say... you see, I got pissed at the damn thing
> ("Fukkit -- if I gotta go through all that shit...") and blew up the
> VLSOHO partition this afternoon.
>
> Now you got me feelin' guilty for puttin' you through all that trouble.
> Looks like I'll have to load 'er up again and see what I can screw up.
>
> Actually, some time back I set up an old box with removable hard drives
> for testing purposes when I decided to give this Linux shit a shot.
> Since then I've gotten a little more proficient at drive management and
> partitioning, to the point where my more recent experiments have all
> been on my main machine. In this case, I think I fire that old K6/256
> back up and see what kind of damage I can do.
>
> Thanks for following up.
>
You are welcome, don't sweat it. I just thought you might like to get
your feet wet on a kernel. :-) Can be a little scary at first but also
kind of fun. Hey, you keep trying these (Linux OS) and sooner than
later you will be playing with a kernel.
Ken P
Mark Warner
> Mark Warner wrote:
>
>> How, Ken. Dunno what to say... you see, I got pissed at the damn
>> thing ("Fukkit -- if I gotta go through all that shit...") and blew
>> up the VLSOHO partition this afternoon.
>
> your feet wet on a kernel. :-) Can be a little scary at first but also
> kind of fun. Hey, you keep trying these (Linux OS) and sooner than
> later you will be playing with a kernel.
I feel like I have come a long way since I first decided I was going to
give this stuff another shot some six months ago or so. (My previous
attempt a couple years ago was a dismal failure... long story...) But
then I run into so many basic, elementary things that are different than
what I know, and realize how clueless I am. Simple shit like "How do I
install a program that I've downloaded?" Charlie was kind enough to give
me the CLI entries in one particular instance, but fer cryin' out
loud...
I'll see what I can do with your instructions soon enough. One thing I
will say for myself -- if I can actually giterdun a couple times so I
have a bit of an idea what I'm doin' and why I'm doin' it, I can usually
get a little understanding and retain it. I've gotten that way with
rewriting my /boot/grub/menu.lst file after all the installs I've added
or blown off of this machine. The rest will come in time, just not soon
enough to satisfy me.
I want it, I want it all, and I want it *now*.
Charlie
Don't panic. ;-)
If it will make ya feel better, I spent damn near all night last night
except for a couple of hours I lay on my back and partitioned a disk in my
half ass REM a few thousand times. Up and at it again about five this
morning and still wound up shit canning that particular endeavor.
The rest of the day was spent installing a Ubuntu Dapper Drake testing
release. The 2.6.15 kernel in all the releases as far as I know breaks the
alsa mixer. It's been bug reported but the correction is only in CVS and
all these 2.6.15 whatever kernels out here in userland on all the
distros that have been released are borked for the SoundBlaster with the
emu10k1. I can't handle that. So I got's my handy dandy magnifying glass
and sarched whole bunch of lines of source to make a six word entry and
correction, patched the kernel source fer a couple of things and then
clenched my teeth and did a
#make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.bs kernel_package
hit enter and strained the muscles in my jaws and clinched up ass hole
while ten thousand lines of debug rolled by on the screen, except fer a
few minutes when in my incoming e-mail bleeped at me and it was Ken P. and
I took time out to jaw wiff him a bit.
Well the kernel compiled. It don't do everything I wanted it to do with
the bootsplash eyecandy, but by god I fixed the alsa portion what was
borked. SEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Milions of sliders now. ;-)
http://home.hot.rr.com/olgnuby/dapper.jpg
It sounds gud also. ;-)
Don't give up Mark. I gotta have some excuse to log on to araa.
CC
Mark Warner
> Mark Warner wrote:
>>
>
Naw, I ain't givin' up, at least not on the Linux stuff altogether. I
*do* reserve the right to give up on any particular situation or
difficulty that pushes my frustration level beyond a certain point. I've
had enough little triumphs to keep me coming back, but if I can't get a
little bit of fun and satisfaction out of it, it ain't what I want to be
doin'.
Kinda like postin' to a.r.aa.
Red Bear
Charlie <cle...@hot.rr.com> wrote:
(big sniaroo)
>
>Don't give up Mark. I gotta have some excuse to log on to araa.
>
>CC
>
Yeh, I'm getting to feel that way myself, although running Solaris on
Sun Ultrasparcs, there's not that much configuring to do, most of the
time.
Yesterday, I was working at plugging a nasty spam hole in my setup when
there was a great commotion at my front door. Went out to see what was
up, and it was Cowboy Bob. Figured I'd better invite him in, as no
doubt he wanted another "old-timer" to talk to.
But, no. Sez he, "I got this old computer printer in my pickup, and
figured I'd see if you wanted it before I took it to the dump."
What he had was an HP Laserjet 4MV, complete with ethernet card and
postscript SIMM. I packed it into the house, all 52 lbs. of it. Late
manufacture, all there, in good shape. Played hell getting enough
manual pdf's and chasing down what might be around for Solaris drivers,
and figure that it won't be an easy install. Still, an old 11X17
Laserjet FAFN (Free and for Nothing) is worth the effort.
Reason he brought it past me was that he'd heard me talking about my
site at meetings. Is getting a free Laserjet printer a rationale for
getting to meetings?
Hank
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Red Bear wrote:
> In article <pan.2006.02.05....@hot.rr.com>,
> Charlie <cle...@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>
> (big sniaroo)
Thanks for getting it down to a bite sized morsel that I could get in my
mouth and chew on. ;-)
>
>>Don't give up Mark. I gotta have some excuse to log on to araa.
>>
>>CC
>>
>
> Yeh, I'm getting to feel that way myself, although running Solaris on
> Sun Ultrasparcs, there's not that much configuring to do, most of the
> time.
>
> Yesterday, I was working at plugging a nasty spam hole in my setup when
> there was a great commotion at my front door. Went out to see what was
> up, and it was Cowboy Bob. Figured I'd better invite him in, as no
> doubt he wanted another "old-timer" to talk to.
> Reason he brought it past me was that he'd heard me talking about my
> site at meetings. Is getting a free Laserjet printer a rationale for
> getting to meetings?
>
> Hank
Hank, I sat here and read this through several times. Fact is, I've sat
here and read any number of posts through several times. There was some
posts I had difficulty just struggling through one time though. About
the only thing I can say with respect to those posts is, "It often
appears some people come her for reasons other than the reasons I come
here for."
Got me thinking in terms of some sort of analogy, so I sez to myself,
"Self, maybe you better go check the definition of analogy and refresh
your memory on exactly what the hell an analogy is, 'cause perhaps like
everything else in your life, the laws of entropy might be setting in
due to things *heating* up a bit." Old Laws of thermodynamics setting in
ya know and I can always best remember my "Laws of Thermodynamics" by
reflecting on the way C. P. Snow, in my opinion, brilliantly and
humorously *capsulized* them:
1. You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing,
because matter and energy are conserved).
2. You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state,
because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases).
3. You cannot get out of the game (because absolute zero is
unattainable).
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae280.cfm
So, now, that I've got thermodynamics and entropy nailed down somewhat
satisfactorily with respect to my own perspectives and delt with the
*heating* up affect of things not always being in accordance with my
expectations, maybe it's time for me to look at a couple of other things
that came to mind when I clicked on a post from some person, totally
unfamiliar and foreign to me with a moniker of "Red Bear" albeit I had
some reservations as to "Red Bear" perhaps just being another person who
had perhaps come here to *heat* things up. Which, I reckon is as valid a
reason as coming here to *cool* things down. Which loops back into my
previous realization stated above, "It often appears some people come
her for reasons other than the reasons I come here for." ;-)
I reckon before I get too far afield with this, I ought to throw in the
*Three* *R's* of *Charlie's* late in life learning as pertains to
dealing with the world around him that I used to have no choice as to
which one of them I applied to any given situation due to my not having
the skills to apply any of them except the one dealing with my baser
human nature, and innate tendencies caused from me being born a human
being. Oh, the *Three* *R's* I talking 'bout is...
*Receptive* *Responsive* or *Reactive*
When I was drunk, and during the period of a few months after I got
undrunk back "Sometime Summer 95" before I finally, after all those
years of being apart from rather than a part of the life and world
around me, decided I'd used up all *My* *Ways* and none of them had
worked, and could no longer handle the feeling of isolation and
aloneness that I feared was killing me as fast or faster than the booze
which I had finally decided I didn't want any more of, and followed Old
Charlie Odem's advice to "Take the *fucking* Steps, Charlie, perhaps in
the process you will gain some principles and get some affairs to
practice them in." And sat down and just *took* them to the best of my
ability. Shortly after doing so, I started to realize something had
happened to me that I couldn't pigeonhole in the *principles* bin, so I
stuck it in another slot called *Attitude* and *Outlook* and my doing so
has allowed me a lot in life lately to exercise the other two *R's*
Receptive and Responsive rather than always immediately go into *fight*
or *flight* mode. ;-)
Anyway, that's Charlie's long loopy way of getting around to reading
your post this morning Hank. ;-)
Our mail boxes here where I live all all down in a kind of common area
at the front side of our courtyard. Some people simply go there to check
their mail. No particular time or schedule involved. They just go as
circumstance and situation dictates. Before going to work. After coming
home from work. When home for lunch. Or sometime on a hunch or hope.
Their reason and rationale for going to the mail box is specialized.
They go to check their mail. ;-)
But... they a bunch of us old farts here who usually show up down there
around or about, but mostly in advance of the time the postman usually
shows up. I find myself drifting down there on a pretty regular basis
even though I normally don't get any mail other than the first few days
of the month in the form of my bills and other related matters that have
to do with the calendar and are in the realm of *gottado* stuff. But I
always wind up checking my box and I do quite often get stuff
unexpectedly or in a nature of other than official or financial. Cards,
letters from old friends, gifts from people I sometime don't even know,
"like a rhinestone cowboy."
http://www.smokecds.com/mp3/188562.mp3
Just couldn't resist punctuating the above with that. ;-)
But anyway, going to the mailbox is fun for me these days what with the
camaraderie and conversation with all the other old farts, reading the
BB that is by the mailboxes, goofiness, gossip, tall tales, memories,
local news, fishing tips, shopping advice, *socializing* is the word I'm
looking for. Even our regular and sometime the substitute postman who
have come to know most of the regular old farts on first name basis and
sometime just bypass the boxing routine with a "here's sumpin fer yew
Charlie or Zeke,' and seem to schedule our complex for their last stop
of the day in order to linger for the longest to engage in a little
socializing before going back to the post office and other mundane
routines and chores. I've seen people find jobs there, meet new people
there, make new friends there, get swayed politically or religiously or
spiritually there, saw one gal learn a new dance step there once, seen
money change hands, seen loans negotiated, seem commitments made, and on
and on. Sheesh! I've seen amazing things happen down at that mail box.
Even seen a fist fight break out once due to a sort of socially inept
sort who showed up sort of reactive to the situation rather than
receptive or responsive. I guess the only thing that mail area is
missing is a coffee pot. There is a coke machine close by though. ;-)
> Is getting a free Laserjet printer a rationale for
> getting to meetings?
I think so. As long as yew remember to check yer mail while there. ;-)
Oh that damn analogy I mentioned earlier.
Old Dr. Morgan, my Anatomy and Physiology Professor, who I also had in
several other courses to include Vertebrate Zoology and couple different
variations of Biological studies oft times threw in a lot of stuff that
could best be described as sociological, psychological, anthropological,
and just plain damn logical. ;-)
He liked to harp a lot on extinct species, and them critters that had
fell by the wayside in our known and speculated history of the world,
and would usually wind up lamenting...
Specialization seems to be the *road* to *Extinction.*
My analogy?
"It often appears some people come her for reasons other than the
reasons I come here for."
It just seems the more specialized their reason for coming here, the
quicker they become extinct here.
And I try to remember although I'm not always good at it, but have seen
it come true more than a few times in my few years on Usenet that...
"Given enough thread, most Usenet Rogues and Renegades will eventually
hang themselves."
Seen the same thing happen with a few AA Rogues and Renegades also. ;-)
Thanks fer inviting me in. I was needing sumbuddy to trip the hammer and
let this rant that been building out.
> Figured I'd better invite him in, as no
> doubt he wanted another "old-timer" to talk to.
Appreciate that *responsive* and *receptive* attitude ya got thar *Old*
*Timer*
Charlie L.
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Tex
<cle...@hot.rr.com> wrote:
>I used to have no choice as to
>which one of them I applied to any given situation due to my not having
>the skills to apply any of them except the one dealing with my baser
>human nature, and innate tendencies caused from me being born a human
>being.
Now ain't that the truth.
My labeling was a tad different:
'Fuck You'
'Fuck me'
'Fuck it'
I could and would get undrunk as you put it for periods of time
....yet... the three 'F's' would remain the rule.
When, even undrunk, the cycle reached the snapping point end of the
'fuck it' little if anything would or could restrain me from going on
yet another drunken run.
AA seems (hindsight) to have provided me with a means to see some of
the skills I lacked or skipped on developing along with some options
for using the baser nature & innate tendencies....at first it was
merely an exercise in mimicing and somewhere crossed over into actual
learning and understanding....for sure a course which involved one
step foward and two backward...which seemed to better the three step
backward course I was born into and failed at miserably.
AA basically served or rather the meetings served as a 'Safe haven'
from myself and the 3 F's.
The pay off and test was actually being able to pull the whole deal
off outside the confines of the 'safe haven' along with the knowledge
the text and safe haven are always there for ...whatever...a refresher
course, a tune up course, or merely a nice resting spot to take a
break now n' then.
It didn't come easy to this drunk, but I do seem to have bought into
the idea there is more to the deal than just 'not drinking'.
thanks for the spark to ramble as my morning coffee circulates and the
several quick rapid chained cigs do what they do to get my day off the
starting blocks.
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