GOP Victories
jimbo
spinmeisters in action tomorrow.
Jim
Chronocidal Charlie
Yew talken 'bout Goz 'nd mike 'nd thet feller who lives over in New York
City's southern burbs?
CC
Sharx35
"Chronocidal Charlie" <c...@chronocidal-charlie.me> wrote in message
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No, try Frank and Tex.
Tex
wrote:
Hell what do I care ...especially about ginny and NJ? You and Jimbo
seem to care more than those of us who live in the states.
mike
Don't forget homosexual marriage being rejected by the people yet
again. Every place it's been put on the referendum it's been defeated,
this one in Maine which was viewed as decent chance.
Mr. Nobama's luster has worn off quite quickly; every candidate he
stumped for lost. Next year they'll be turning down the offers of
campaigning for candidates. How does a president get to be a lame duck
so quickly?
jimbo
How does a president get to be a lame duck so quickly?
By doing nothing. SNL did a skit on this and it really hit home. He
has not delivered on one campaign promise to date and the Dems will
really be toast next year as Obama cannot get a health care bill in
'09.
Last nights results seemed to me to be b/c the base that elected Obama
did not turn out in great numbers and he lost a lot of the
independents.
Jim
mike
Obama's victory last year was all about being part of "the historical
moment" and nothing about issues. Now people have seen he's completely
incompetent and are sick of how he's ruining our great nation at home
and bad-mouthing us abroad.
CW
"Haven't you noticed, it's easier to find fault with someone else rather
than open yourself up to examination."
"He hasn't progressed to the level of pointing fingers at others like
you have yet."
What's the moral here, Mikey? Do as you say but not as you do?
Tara Green
> jimbo wrote:
>
>> On Nov 4, 6:38 am, "mike" <into.action.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How does a president get to be a lame duck so quickly?
>>
>> By doing nothing. SNL did a skit on this and it really hit home. He
>> has not delivered on one campaign promise to date and the Dems will
>> really be toast next year as Obama cannot get a health care bill in
>> '09.
>>
>> Last nights results seemed to me to be b/c the base that elected Obama
>> did not turn out in great numbers and he lost a lot of the
>> independents.
>>
>> Jim
>
> Obama's victory last year was all about being part of "the historical
> moment" and nothing about issues.
Given that you clearly didn't vote for him,
where do you get the hubris to state
definitively the internal motives for the
people that did?
Arrogant to the extreme.
Tara Green
Bingo.
F.H.
Now Tara, remember, when it comes to "issues" there really weren't any.
The "Decider" was doing a wonderful job and McCain figured to continue
with the same policies. Simple logic should tell you that the election
was only about a historical moment.
If you doubt this is true, just take a look at the throngs of people
that were fighting over a chance to hear Bush in his new job as a
motivational speaker.
S.LaRocca
@reader.albasani.net:
>
> Obama's victory last year was all about being part of "the historical
> moment" and nothing about issues. Now people have seen he's completely
> incompetent and are sick of how he's ruining our great nation at home
> and bad-mouthing us abroad.
>
There is not much left of our so called great nation for him to ruin...We,
yes us, the public are to blame...We've destroyed our manufacturing base in
this country...We've done that out of greed & demands for higher short term
gains on our investments in stocks & the quest for $8.00 men's jeans at Wal
Mart...We have outsourced almost every form of manufacturing that was ever
done in this country to cheaper labor markets...Until we stop cutting our
own throats & blaming this or that political party we are screwed.
Until we finally realize that the cheapest price is not always the best
deal, nothing will change.
--
*************************************************************************
A fartin' horse is ready to retire....A fartin' man's the one to hire.
F.H.
> "mike" <into.act...@gmail.com> wrote in news:xn0gh8wqf4lakx005
> @reader.albasani.net:
>
>> Obama's victory last year was all about being part of "the historical
>> moment" and nothing about issues. Now people have seen he's completely
>> incompetent and are sick of how he's ruining our great nation at home
>> and bad-mouthing us abroad.
>>
>
> There is not much left of our so called great nation for him to ruin...We,
> yes us, the public are to blame...We've destroyed our manufacturing base in
> this country...We've done that out of greed & demands for higher short term
> gains on our investments in stocks & the quest for $8.00 men's jeans at Wal
> Mart...We have outsourced almost every form of manufacturing that was ever
> done in this country to cheaper labor markets...Until we stop cutting our
> own throats & blaming this or that political party we are screwed.
>
> Until we finally realize that the cheapest price is not always the best
> deal, nothing will change.
You are correct of course on the events. Not so sure about the sheeple
being responsible. We are players in the decline but most participate
unknowingly.
RonG
"F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Heh! And where were the throngs of people who voted for Obama just a
year ago for this current election?
RonG
jimbo
> Heh! And where were the throngs of people who voted for Obama just a
> year ago for this current election?
Americans have a peculiar habit of thinking that things can change
without any regard for historical aspects.
Obama got elected on the "hope" that he could change the direction of
America and American politics but people forget that the substance of
hope is faith and the faith of most Americans seems to be melting away
like winter snows.
Jim
Charlie M. 1958
> While I think you make a sterling point about the risks associated with
> 'free markets' (meaning no tariffs or application of US consumer
> protection laws, price is a function of market. Except. Except when
> price fixing by monopolists or oliogopolists control enough market to
> deter entry. While manufacturing is important, it no longer is the
> heart of our economy. We have evolved to a more service (healthcare,
> IT and other technologies, education,financial ) economy and don't make
> nearly the amount of widgets we used to. This is an evolution that few
> understand in terms of its stability or voality. Health care is now a
> major part of our economy and while it has many suppliers, it is
> controlled by two insurance companies, by and large. You can see what a
> few oil companies can do in terms of price and apparently the same thing
> happens in healthcare. The central clearing house, the AMA for doctors,
> essentially set doctors fees although there is no formal mechanism
> here. The price of gasoline, despite the 'competition' seems to rise
> and fall in concert, doesn't it? OPEC? Not so much anymore (although
> at one time they did set the price for a barrel of oil but that's hardly
> what close to what refining and distribution amount to. My theory is
> that when big, no giant players play in a limited field, they will
> control it. That's what their management gets paid to do. And
> immigration has always provided us with cheap labor, but if that's not
> enough, then you go lto where cheap labor is.
> But a service economy is not about cheap labor, is it?
>
> It's about market control and while Walmart has probably closed down
> more small businesses (and small towns) they do have formidable
> competitors (Costco, Target, etc) who also buy cheap labor products from
> outside the US. I don't know of a way in the theory that I was taught
> that you can alter that much without government rewriting some of the
> ground rules and /or going into protection mode which would do nothing
> but cause a producer's costs to go up and everyone understands that a
> business has to pass it's costs along to its buyers or go out of
> business. Even huge tax breaks for these huge corporations doesn't seem
> to have done much but improve the bottom line not reduce pricing. But
> if you were running a company and you had a choice between paying
> yourself a few million dollars more or reducing prices of your
> customer.... The consolidation of businesses into larger and larger
> enterprises means that your usual 'market forces' of competition and the
> benefit of competition grows less and less. And the idea that the
> customer is king is fading fast because businesses have been allowed to
> go Darwinian to the point where markets can be cornered. Medical and
> financial markets come to mind as well as energy. What can the 'common
> man', the middle and lower classes do about it? Nada.
>
>
> Obama, will have tot give in to corporatism (which is the kind of
> economy we have now) and oddly enough, a lot of people seem not to care
> that government has become a middle man existing only to enable
> corporatism to flourish at the expense of......well, you know who,
> right? A sharply divided electorate almost insures that the
> corporations (who could care fucking less about whether you retire with
> any money or not) continue in their ascendency to more power. Hell,
> soon there will be corporations which sell mercenaries to wage
> wars........or is that now? ( : ) Oh. We will have 10% (or more)
> unemployment for a long time because it means that wages can fall, more
> costs can be transferred to the units left working. So who would you
> rather look to for leadership and direction: corprations or government?
> If you think that large corporations are efficient, non wasteful
> economic production units, then you may be in for a surprise. They've
> already invented the ultimate stalling frustration, IVR. You get to
> 'talk' to a machine'
Gary, I always enjoy your economic analysis, and I can't disagree with
much, if anything, you've written here.
I am curious about your comment that health care is controlled mainly by
two insurance companies. Did you mean to say health care /insurance/ ,
or did you actually mean the entire health care system, including providers?
F.H.
For good reason. In matters that count for the middle class, Obama (so
far) seems to be a lot like Bush. Is Afghanistan going to be for him
what Vietnam was for Johnson?
jimbo
Is Afghanistan going to be for him what Vietnam was for Johnson?
I'm a hawk but I'm also a realist and the U.S. can do nothing but
bleed in Afghanistan. The NATO countries are not committed to do what
is necessary and so the U.S. is in the midst of what really is a civil
war without the means or will to totally suppress one side.
Get out now! Admit it was a mistake, cut the losses and let India and
Russia deal with Pakistan which is what will eventually happen.
Jim
F.H.
S.LaRocca
news:2009110414170416807-yexxxx@sbellnet:
You are right & you can debate about who is to blame & what type of economy
we have evolved into, but the fact remains that Joe 6 pack just does not
get involved enough & thinks he is doing his part by sending off a form
letter protesting this, or that to his govt. reps.
We have let most of this happen to us because we are too passive...For
example, if we made lobyists against the law, don't you think that
healthcare would be much more affordable ?...We have the power to do that,
but I, along with 95% of the public are just willing to shrug our shoulders
& say..."What the hell can I do ?"
If we refused to buy all of these Chinese made goods & deal with companies
who farm out their customer service to India, how long do you think it
would take to bring a lot of jobs back here ?...I'm guessing very soon.
If nothing changes, nothing fucking changes.
Tim and Lisa
"RonG" <r...@network12.com> wrote in message
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Maybe we should do a recount!
JimB
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(David P.)
>
> Americans have a peculiar habit of thinking that things can change
> without any regard for historical aspects.
> Obama got elected on the "hope" that he could change the direction of
> America and American politics but people forget that the substance of
> hope is faith and the faith of most Americans seems to be melting away
> like winter snows.
If the solution to a problem is unpopular, it's /impossible/
to solve the problem with election politics. The pols
will /never/ talk about an unpopular solution, because
they want to be reelected.
.
.
--
jimbo
> But its being sold as part of the war on terrorism. Then there is this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yfno4kt
The link doesn't work but what will force the U.S. out is a massive
loss of life like in Lebanon or a sharp but swift defeat like Somalia.
These wars against terrorists are dirty and the West will not fight
and defeat the enemy with dirty, brutal tactics.
Jim
F.H.
The link just worked for me. Google Afghanistan and oil.
F.H.
Here in Kalifornia, a democrat, Garamendi won a special election for a
seat in the House of Representatives, (another vote for healthcare
reform). The House seat in New York went to a democrat for the first
time in a hundred years. In case anyone forgot, the seat came open when
Obama tapped Republican John McHugh to become Army secretary.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Keep it Simple.
Civil war is needed to rid our country of capitalist scumbags like
you.
Exterminate the Executive branch
Hiccum Blurpaedius
There are only two criminal health care agencies allowed to rob the US
of all its money. The Christian and the Jew.
mike
> Keep it Simple.
> Civil war is needed to rid our country of capitalist scumbags like
> you.
>
> Exterminate the Executive branch
I didn't know they gave computers to the patients at the psychiatric
centers. Is yours a laptop or a desktop?
TheGoz
> > Obama's victory last year was all about being part of "the
historical
> > moment" and nothing about issues.
>
> Given that you clearly didn't vote for him,
> where do you get the hubris to state
> definitively the internal motives for the
> people that did?
>
> Arrogant to the extreme.
Oh, shit, Brumhilda's back... I bet you voted for him because you
figured he had a big dick, bein' black and all, didn't you,
TaraBell...? :O)
TheGoz
> If you doubt this is true, just take a look at the throngs of people
> that were fighting over a chance to hear Bush in his new job as a
> motivational speaker.
Hell, Bush didn't put a 10% extra tax on top of regular taxes for
everyone like they just did in California. But, that doesn't matter
to you, you don't work. Fat Tony'll have to pay the extra 10%, and
that may cut into his board payments... You did say he was payin'
board, didn't you, Frankie...?? :O) Or is he just another free-
loadin' Mexican...? :O)
F.H.
Yes, Tony is working and paying here. The only free rent he gets is in
your head and lets face it, its *really* fucking crowded in there and
there's not a lot of oxygen.
mike
> Hell, Bush didn't put a 10% extra tax on top of regular taxes for
> everyone like they just did in California. But, that doesn't matter
> to you, you don't work. Fat Tony'll have to pay the extra 10%, and
> that may cut into his board payments... You did say he was payin'
> board, didn't you, Frankie...?? :O) Or is he just another free-
> loadin' Mexican...? :O)
Who is this Fat Tony and what does he hold over F.H.'s head?
F.H.
He is my God loving, sober but not too bright pain in the ass plumber
son in-law, who with his pain in the ass wife and their adorable child
are living here. I made a joke about him and now the adolescent Tom who
doesn't understand self deprecating humor brings him up in lieu of
debating anything of substance. Tony being a Mexican just gives Tom the
added incentive of racist material to work with. Nothing there for you,
Mickey, you've invested too much in being high and mighty to stoop that low.
Tara Green
>
>
> Until we finally realize that the cheapest price is not always the best
> deal, nothing will change.
>
Bingo.
My latest experiment: a moratorium on
plastic. Much (MUCH) harder than it first
appeared. But it stretches creativity, and
instills an even greater desire (well, in the
case of plastics, almost a need) to buy local.
Its a fun experiment. Enlightening.
Cheapest, most convenient, most (fill in the
blank) isn't always better. Short term
gains....but in exchange for what?
Tara Green
The man has a point.
(David P.)
> Hiccum Blurpaedius wrote:
>
> > Keep it Simple.
> > Civil war is needed to rid our country of
> > capitalist scumbags like you.
> > Exterminate the Executive branch
>
> I didn't know they gave computers to the patients at the
> psychiatric centers. Is yours a laptop or a desktop?
It's a poptop, embedded in his pituitary.
.
.
--
(David P.)
> (David P.) wrote:
>
> > If the solution to a problem is unpopular, it's /impossible/
> > to solve the problem with election politics. The pols
> > will /never/ talk about an unpopular solution, because
> > they want to be reelected.
>
That's why I'm doin' the talkin'.
It's a job that /has/ to be done,
election or no election.
.
.
--
TheGoz
> > board, didn't you, Frankie...?? :O) Or is he just another free-
> > loadin' Mexican...? :O)
>
> Yes, Tony is working and paying here. The only free rent he gets is in
> your head and lets face it, its *really* fucking crowded in there and
> there's not a lot of oxygen.
You always go on the attack when faced with the truth... And, as
usual, you dodge the real issue which is a rapist government in
California...
JoeRaisin
Term limits...
Not the be-all end-all solution, but a big step in the right direction.
JoeRaisin
They always release them once the chip is put in their back.
Poor deluded fools have no idea what has happened to them.
I'm just glad it's never happened to me... now I gotta get back to
trying to figure out what that small lump in my back is...
mike
>you've invested too much in being high and mighty to stoop that low.
I find it interesting that you admit my standards of conduct are above
the average when you have consistently demeaned me yourself. I sense
you are hoping this sore spot of yours will not be exposed even more.
Don't worry, family members are off limits for me.
F.H.
> F.H. wrote:
>
>> you've invested too much in being high and mighty to stoop that low.
>
> I find it interesting that you admit my standards of conduct are above
> the average when you have consistently demeaned me yourself.
LOL, that you /paint/ yourself as "high and mighty" has nothing to do
with my admitting anything.
> I sense you are hoping this sore spot of yours will not be exposed even
> more.
The sore spot is the lack of class by some posters here.
> Don't worry, family members are off limits for me.
You just did in your own cowardly passive aggressive way.
F.H.
LMAO, rapist government? I /did/ say it was crowded and low on oxygen
in your head didn't I? Move over Mexicans, niggers and liberals, make
room for rapist governments.
Are those print shops you've worked in all these years required by law
to be well ventilated? Here in rapist California we have CAL-OSHA to
protect workers from exposure to dangerous fumes.
CW
> F.H. wrote:
>
>> you've invested too much in being high and mighty to stoop that low.
>
> I find it interesting that you admit my standards of conduct are above
> the average
Bwahahahahaahahahaha!
Oh god, just when I've abandoned all hope that you've no sense of humor
whatsoever (or grasp of irony) you come out with this stuff. Classic!!!
> I sense
>> you are hoping this sore spot of yours will not be exposed even more.
>> Don't worry, family members are off limits for me.
Seeing as how you've managed to compromise nearly every one of your
'standards of conduct' since arriving here, I'd say it's just a matter
of time before your dishin' it like your coffeemate Goobz....
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Lookie here you republican peice of capitalist shit. Let me shove my
fist up your ass and now you can be my maniqueen.
You only talk when I let you maggot.
Now get that military shit out of your mouth and repeat after me.
"I am going to give all my money to the poor defenseless righteous
Liberal Americans that allow me to live in this country."
If you do not like it turn in your weapons and get the fuck out of
here.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
What else will a junkie peice of capitalist shit say.
I have room on my other lap for you maggot.
Let me shove my American fist up your capitalist ass.
Now you only can talk when I let you.
Right now shut the fuck up.
Or else get the fuck out of this country.
Exterminate the US military
Hiccum Blurpaedius
I know maggot.
It is the scum bags from the US military.
Tax sucking peices of shit that are destroying the country with
capitalist mind control
Sharx35
"JoeRaisin" <joerai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Maybe you are about to "enlizard"?
Tara Green
Just check NYC politics lately.
Apparently even term limits can be cast aside
at will
Hiccum Blurpaedius
JoeRaisin
Doesn't surprise me a bit
F.H.
Half empty/half full. Term limits in California have left us with a
bunch of /amateur/ crooks.
Tara Green
No. Bloomberg had the laws set aside just for
him. NYers voted *twice* to implement and
keep term limits.
What I think of term limits is completely
besides the point (I'd actually prefer three
myself)....one man has no right to override
democracy because he's decided the world
can't live without his guidance (which was
his reasoning, believe it or not)
F.H.
And he was mentioned as a presidential possibility? LOL, another decider.
Tara Green
Have you seen what Giuliani's pick for head
of Homeland Security has been up to lately?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/nyregion/06kerik.html
Can't say I didn't tell you guys way back
when....
F.H.
I'll /see/ your crook and raise ya one: (from the heart of republican
country in California)
Hiccum Blurpaedius
That is old news.
A psychiatrist opened fire with two handguns at Fort Hood killing 12.
the new wave in therapy.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Christian jew cop psychiatrist opened fire with two handguns at the
Fort Hood
mike
> Christian jew
You have a thing against many different types of people. How about the
Muslims which are responsible for this carnage?
TheGoz
> LMAO, rapist government? I /did/ say it was crowded and low on oxygen
> in your head didn't I? Move over Mexicans, niggers
Then, when confronted, cry "racist"...:O) Does it give you some
weird thrill sayin' "nigger", Frankie...? Or do you think it's okay
for you to say it because you're some sort of insider...?? In any
case, I resent the implication. Fuck you...
F.H.
LOL, you can dish it out but.......
Sharx35
"F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
I do not have anything against anybody unless they have something
against me. I oppose the death penalty except for those that endorse
it. They should be exterminated.
As far as muslims go . . . fuck em. I met one in 1989 and was
searching to further my spiritual development. It was in Boston and he
had a crew following him. I was sharing my experience when he told me
that infidels should be beheaded. I say bring it on motherfuckers. IF
there is a god he should get the fuck out of the USA.
We do not need his fucking bullshit. Anybody that follows god and the
religious executions should have their heads cut off and shoved up
thier asses. Including the majority of the Republican party. these
blood thirsty rednecks will not stop.
And I will not stop there. The democrats want to drug anybody that
scares them. Being drugged is just as bad as being dead or imprisoned.
As president I will change that. So fuck you and your capitalist
horse.
Tex
<hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As president I will change that. So fuck you and your capitalist
>horse.
Didn't realize you had political ambitions...if so, may I suggest
contacting CW to run your campaign. He has a way with rednecks and
religious types and could be a game breaker getting that vote. Goz &
Mikey are wraps for sure.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:49:22 -0800 (PST), Hiccum Blurpaedius
>
> <hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >As president I will change that. So fuck you and your capitalist
> >horse.
>
> Didn't realize you had political ambitions...if so, may I suggest
Goddamned right I do. I worked hard all my life at staying out of
trouble. The government knows this. That is why they stalk me.
Kidnapping son of a bitches. When I am president I will extradite
every piece of shit CIA agent to Italy that was found guilty.
Including George Bush and Dick Chainknee. By then I will have the
power over the secret service and I will force them to have the chip
removed out of my back.
> contacting CW to run your campaign. He has a way with rednecks and
> religious types and could be a game breaker getting that vote. Goz &
> Mikey are wraps for sure.
Uh uh noo way. We will have one big over haul of the legal system.
Fuck the canon law. It is bullshit.
These military bastards will be held accountable.
Look out Supreme Court
mike
You have F.H. and Tara's vote for sure.
mikewestvale
> On Nov 6, 6:21 am, "mike" <into.action.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hiccum Blurpaedius, 11/6/2009,3:00:14 AM, wrote:
>
> > > Christian jew
>
> > You have a thing against many different types of people. How about the
> > Muslims which are responsible for this carnage?
>
> I do not have anything against anybody unless they have something
> against me. I oppose the death penalty except for those that endorse
> it. They should be exterminated.
> As president I will change that. So fuck you and your capitalist
> horse.
Well there sure are a lot of people then that you must have something
against cause Mr as far as assholes go you are the biggest and
bigotist.
I can only think of four people that might vote for you and they run
close to you in the asshole contest.
mikewestvale
Those weren't the ones i was thinking of.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
I sure do not need your vote maggot.
I'd like to see your head on a stick you capitalist peice of shit.
Exterminate god
Hiccum Blurpaedius
You were thinking?
I thought I smelled shit.
Exterminate god god dammit
mike
You sound like you need to get laid. Are you trying to get in good
with the promised 72 virgins?
Hiccum Blurpaedius
More US military deluded jew shit spewing from your sewer mouth.
Exterminate the christian jew medical military
mike
>Exterminate the christian jew medical military
That won't happen before you're gone.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
You'd be suprised.
Weeeee
Ted L.
Gary <yex...@sbell.net> wrote:
> Charlie, I read this and I can't recall exactly but one is a huge
> hospital holding company. Here are the largest insurance companies
>
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_largest_health_insurance_companies_in_t
> he_US
Mine doesn't even make the list. (Healthpartners) That's probably a
good thing.
--
Ted L.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.