Nalgene bottles & BPA - new bottles announced
ps56k
>>> leaching...
>>> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-01/uoc-hlr012308.php and
>>> - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/boiling_water_s.php
>>> or - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/bisphenol_a_and.php
>>>
> FYI - here's the Nalgene webpage link -
> http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpaInfo.html
and now the latest - new bottles -
http://www.nalgenechoice.com/everyday.html
ps56k
anyone seen the new bottles yet ?
y_p_w
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> > and now the latest - new bottles -
> >http://www.nalgenechoice.com/everyday.html
>
> anyone seen the new bottles yet ?
Not yet. I have seen Camelbak's latest "Better Bottle" with clear
labeling that says their material is "BPA Free". I believe this is
made from the same Tritan Colpolymer plastic from Eastman Chemical.
Nalgene says they'll be available this month, but it remains to be
seen what kind of rollout they can achieve.
My Nalgene flask is made of pthalate-free PETE. I was going to use it
to ferry my Scotch into the backcountry last summer. It fit nicely
into my bear canister, but I decided against it after I overloaded it.
d.s.
> On Apr 23, 10:43 am, "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam...@interserv.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > and now the latest - new bottles -
> > >http://www.nalgenechoice.com/everyday.html
>
> > anyone seen the new bottles yet ?
>
> Not yet. I have seen Camelbak's latest "Better Bottle" with clear
> labeling that says their material is "BPA Free". I believe this is
> made from the same Tritan Colpolymer plastic from Eastman Chemical.
I opened up one of these and took a whiff. It might not be leaching
BPA, but it sure is off-gassing SOMETHING.
Get Klean Kanteen, and leave your shoes at home to compensate for the
weight. ;-)
y_p_w
What doesn't, other than quality polycarbonate or PETE? Any kind of
polyethylene smells funky when new. Even new stainless steel smells
"metallic".
I guess the worries about stainless steel is nickel toxicity if you're
using it to store water.
kinograph
softer than the bpa, but the reason i didn't buy one is that the screw-
top has a spout on it, the pull-off cap of which looks like it may
leak. also, they're 800 ml, which i guess is the equivalent of about
27.5 oz, slightly smaller than the large-size bpa models.
y_p_w
> rei has them in san francisco. i glanced at them briefly. they're
> softer than the bpa, but the reason i didn't buy one is that the screw-
> top has a spout on it, the pull-off cap of which looks like it may
> leak. also, they're 800 ml, which i guess is the equivalent of about
They're supposed to be transitioning to this material for all their
bottles. I guess they were planning on starting a slow launch, but
are being forced into this by all the bad publicity from the US and
Canadian government reports.
I'll wait until they have the standard sized loop-top bottles. That's
when I know this is a legitimate rollout.
m...@privacy.net
>I'll wait until they have the standard sized loop-top bottles. That's
>when I know this is a legitimate rollout.
how so?
y_p_w
Their biggest seller and the product that made Nalgene Outdoor was/is
the 1 liter wide-mouth loop-top bottle. Their 1 liter narrow-mouth
bottles can't be far behind.
I'm not sure they were looking to roll it out this fast. I get the
feeling that they simply trying to ramp up the use of the Tritan
Copolymer material slowly. Then the US FDA came out with a report,
followed by the Canadian government's moves to ban the use of
polycarbonate baby bottles. It kind of forced their hands because of
all the negative publicity, and I don't think they're currently ready
to deploy this new material across all their product lines.
Trish
for adults, the but them back on the shelves. Really!
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MANchelle
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> I opened up one of these and took a whiff. It might not be leaching
> BPA, but it sure is off-gassing SOMETHING.
>
Sorry, I was with my new GF shopping there, and when I felt a broccoli fart
coming on I just grabbed a bottle and let go with "something".
Again, my sincere apology
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d.s.
> "d.s." <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:564ccba7-bcd5-4e57-ad3d-
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> > I opened up one of these and took a whiff. It might not be leaching
> > BPA, but it sure is off-gassing SOMETHING.
>
> Sorry, I was with my new GF shopping there, and when I felt a broccoli fart
> coming on I just grabbed a bottle and let go with "something".
> Again, my sincere apology
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
I can write some material for you if you like. I'm all for immature
jokes, but there needs to be some quality too.
m...@privacy.net
>I can write some material for you if you like. I'm all for immature
>jokes, but there needs to be some quality too.
great come back!
duh
y_p_w
Just saw some of the Nalgene "Everyday" bottles at the REI store in
Berkeley, CA. They've completely cleared out their inventory of the
polycarbonate bottles. They had some of the new Nalgene bottles, and
I agree they smell kind of funky new. Different than maybe a new HDPE
bottle, which has a different odor.
It flexed a lot. Don't know how to describe it other than it felt
like a very hard PETE bottle. I've got a (phthalate-free) Nalgene
flask made of PETE, and the material seems similar. I'm just
wondering if pure PETE might be an alternative. The main worry I hear
about regular PETE is that it contains phthalates to keep the material
softer.
kinograph
www.camelbak.com
Standard form, wide-mouth, quite hard.
They look quite nice, with regular seal and bite-valve models.
Same price as the older Nalgene ones.
m...@privacy.net
GregS
I know one thing, you can't make good soup in a stainless pot. Got to be Ceramic.
greg
PatOConnell
I bought two Nalgene polyethylene bottles from REI, to replace ones that
were getting old. New plastic always smells a bit funky, but dish soap
and water fixes things.
y_p_w
> y_p_wwrote:
The great thing about polycarbonate was that it just didn't have a
discernible odor or impart any plastic taste when new or old. I was
used to using LDPE squirt-tops from my my bicycling days, and I could
still smell the odor (and taste it in the water) for a long time.
d.s.
> In article <e9a124hi3bljpg1a597scitgqdat3u1...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >kinograph <kinogr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Just picked up a few new 32-oz BPA-free Camelbak bottles.
> >>www.camelbak.com
> >>Standard form, wide-mouth, quite hard.
> >>They look quite nice, with regular seal and bite-valve models.
> >>Same price as the older Nalgene ones.
>
> > what abt the stainless steel bottles?
>
> I know one thing, you can't make good soup in a stainless pot. Got to be Ceramic.
>
> greg
Why?
GregS
>On May 6, 12:24=A0pm, zekfr...@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
>> In article <e9a124hi3bljpg1a597scitgqdat3u1...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net =
>wrote:
>> >kinograph <kinogr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Just picked up a few new 32-oz BPA-free Camelbak bottles.
>> >>www.camelbak.com
>> >>Standard form, wide-mouth, quite hard.
>> >>They look quite nice, with regular seal and bite-valve models.
>> >>Same price as the older Nalgene ones.
>>
>> > what abt the stainless steel bottles?
>>
>eramic.
>>
>> greg
>
>Why?
It does not taste as good as ceramic. My family used to make the Sunday chicken soup in
the morning and its was cooking with all the whole potatoes, onions, celery, chicken, etc,
fo a couple hours, and then the soup sat in the pot all day till it was finished. Metal
pots don't taste as good. From experiance.
greg
GregS
>> In article <e9a124hi3bljpg1a597scitgqdat3u1...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net =
>wrote:
>> >kinograph <kinogr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Just picked up a few new 32-oz BPA-free Camelbak bottles.
>> >>www.camelbak.com
>> >>Standard form, wide-mouth, quite hard.
>> >>They look quite nice, with regular seal and bite-valve models.
>> >>Same price as the older Nalgene ones.
>>
>> > what abt the stainless steel bottles?
>>
>eramic.
>>
>> greg
I got this stainless flask for a present. It says do not leave stuff in it
too long. Well I drank the Vodka in a day. I do have a stainless thermos, but I have never
used it.
greg
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I cook on stainless steel all the time at the house. I put the food in a
ceramic bowl when I am finished digesting.
GregS
I use mostly stainless, but for vegatables I like the old Corning Ware ceramic,
especially for microwaving. The top on steams the veggies, corn on the cob, or hot dogs
real well. I do have some small ceramic pots, and the big one my folks used to make soup
in. Of course we have the real big ceramic coated pot we make the sour crout and Kolbosi,
or cabbage rolls in.
greg
Pat
>>>
>>> I know one thing, you can't make good soup in a stainless pot. Got to be
>>> C=
>>eramic.
>>>
>>> greg
>>
>>Why?
>
> It does not taste as good as ceramic. My family used to make the Sunday
> chicken soup in
> the morning and its was cooking with all the whole potatoes, onions,
> celery, chicken, etc,
> fo a couple hours, and then the soup sat in the pot all day till it was
> finished. Metal
> pots don't taste as good. From experiance.
>
> greg
What do restaurants use? I don't recall seeing any ceramic pots in a
restaurant....
Pat in TX
Pat
>
> I use mostly stainless, but for vegatables I like the old Corning Ware
> ceramic,
> especially for microwaving. The top on steams the veggies, corn on the
> cob, or hot dogs
> real well. I do have some small ceramic pots, and the big one my folks
> used to make soup
> in. Of course we have the real big ceramic coated pot we make the sour
> crout and Kolbosi,
> or cabbage rolls in.
>
> greg
Okay, Greg, now you've gone too far: I am sitting here getting hungrier by
the moment!
duh
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> > In article
> > <5c4c50fe-2a98-4ad8-9685-ca18b6202...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "d.s."
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Thanks for sharing.
zoomie
Aluminum such as Calphalon which I use at home. And don't bother with
the lecture about aluminum pots leading to Alzheimers, that was
debunked years ago. I use the old aluminum grease pot to cook in when
hiking.
Pat
>> What do restaurants use? I don't recall seeing any ceramic pots in a
>> restaurant....
>>
>> Pat in TX
>
> Aluminum such as Calphalon which I use at home. And don't bother with
> the lecture about aluminum pots leading to Alzheimers, that was
> debunked years ago. I use the old aluminum grease pot to cook in when
> hiking.
Nah, I don't believe that junk about aluminum pots. I asked a woman once
that if it were true, why would the gov't allow the companies to continue
selling aluminum cookware? She looked stunned, as if I had smacked her in
the face with a skillet. Some people don't think critically; they just
accept whatever the gossip happens to be at the time....
Pat in TX
seani
Agreed except "Some people" = "Most people" in my experience.
Unquestioning credulity is such a big problem I'm considering creating
a homeopathic remedy for it...
Jim
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Pat
>
> Agreed except "Some people" = "Most people" in my experience.
> Unquestioning credulity is such a big problem I'm considering creating
> a homeopathic remedy for it...
Well, anyone who would believe in homeopathy....
I tell ya, though, I have doubts about the intelligence of the average
person. I keep a "here's your sign" file going. Here's one for you: I had
to call the insurance company to talk about a claim for my elderly mother.
The clerk says to me, "I need to know her birthdate before we can proceed."
So, I told her "5-6-23" and she says, "Is that 1923?"
I was speechless, for once!
Jim
I wouldn't knock homeopathy....doctors don't know as much as they'd like to
think they do....
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Pat
"Jim" <> I'd a had some fun with her..."Mom! Was it 18 or 1923??"
>
> I wouldn't knock homeopathy....doctors don't know as much as they'd like
> to think they do....
Look further into homeopathy...they dilute the substance until there is
absolutely nothing there anymore, and then turn around and tell you it's
"medicine." It's pure quackery.
Jim
injuries and illness.
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Pat
"Jim" <> What substance? I think you're confused. Homeopathy means home
> injuries and illness.
Jim, please look this up in wikipedia or someplace. I think you are using
the word homeopathy but thinking of another meaning.
Pat in TX
Jim
another beer.
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Sean Inglis
duh
Here is my experience with homeopathy. Nothing else was working so I
tried it. It did not cure me of anything, but some side effects did
occur with this "diluted into nothingness" stuff. When the side
effect did occur, I then looked up the remedy and sure enough, that
side effect was listed prominently for that remedy, and not for
others. I didn't know the side effect beforehand, so it wasn't me
creating it with my mind.
So, I agree that, logically, with what we currently know, it's woo hoo
stuff. However, that doesn't mean we know enough to use proper logic
on it.
duh
I think we don't know enough yet. And plenty of "studies" abound,
funded by industry, meant to keep people from buying wisely.
Our beef supply is one instance where we get plenty of assurances that
it is safe, yet have frequent enough recalls that somone who was
really thinking for themself would not listen to the government
assurances. One glaring indicator would be when other countries
refuse your meat supply. SOMEONE is looking out for their own.
Pat
>>I think we don't know enough yet. And plenty of "studies" abound,
funded by industry, meant to keep people from buying wisely.
This reminds me of our local right-wing talk show host, Mark Davis.
Whenever someone disagrees with Pres. Bush, Davis attacks the person instead
of what he/she is saying. For example, he says Pat Tillman's mother doesn't
care anything about her son--she's just being outspoken about his death
because of "pure political hate towards George Bush." Are all the studies
funded by industry? And if a study IS funded by industry, does that
automatically make it suspect or null and void? Are all studies designed
only on the premise of "keeping the people from buying wisely"? Would an
industry spend a lot of money only to attempt to food some portion of the
buying public without any guarantee that their efforts would work on the
marketplace?
See where you're going with this? It's a bit paranoid.
>>Our beef supply is one instance where we get plenty of assurances that
it is safe, yet have frequent enough recalls that somone who was
really thinking for themself would not listen to the government
assurances. One glaring indicator would be when other countries
refuse your meat supply. SOMEONE is looking out for their own.
We don't have "frequent recalls." Name me a long list of recalls that are
frequent. You can't have one recall and then claim it is "frequent."
Remember that the recall of ground beef was referring to meat over 2 years
old. That means that none was still in the food chain and none had caused
any problems. And yet, there was this huge search and destroy mission that
turned out to be....nothing. And, if you don't want to "listen to
government assurances" then where the heck are you going to get your food?
Are you telling me that, as a person who is "really thinking for himself"
you grow all your own food and meat? Are you telling me that you do your own
factory and farm testing? Do you buy food from groceries, take it home, and
test it somehow?
I think you're being unnecessarily pessamistic and paranoid. One recall
does not make any government in effect dangerously fooling around with the
food supply. I also guess you're not buying anything from China.
Pat in TX
duh
It sounds like you've taken a general comment by me and perceived it
as a personal attack. You may of course do that, but it was not my
intent.
Chick Tower
> Danged if I can think of the word of which I had in mind.... time for
> another beer.
>
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>> "Jim" <> What substance? I think you're confused. Homeopathy means home
>> treatment for
>>> injuries and illness.
Perhaps you mean home remedies.
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Pat
> I think you're being unnecessarily pessamistic and paranoid. One recall
> does not make any government in effect dangerously fooling around with the
> food supply. I also guess you're not buying anything from China.
>
> Pat in TX
It sounds like you've taken a general comment by me and perceived it
as a personal attack. You may of course do that, but it was not my
intent.
No, I didn't take it personally. It's just that I think we shouldn't
extrapolate from one beef recall that the entire food supply is unsafe. I do
not believe the people who work in that industry are trying to make bad
products. There's human error in daily life, but I don't believe in
conspiracies or overarching pessimism.
So, what do I do? I examine the food I buy, I read articles (such as this
one about the Nalgene bottles) and I try to weigh the evidence I find. It's
like wading up a river, dodging the bad stuff. It's about all one can
do---you can't make the river pure....
Pat in TX
duh
> No, I didn't take it personally. It's just that I think we shouldn't
> extrapolate from one beef recall that the entire food supply is unsafe. I do
> not believe the people who work in that industry are trying to make bad
> products. There's human error in daily life, but I don't believe in
> conspiracies or overarching pessimism.
Unfortunately, many businesses, if not regulated, will take shortcuts
and hope that things don't fall apart.
Japan just refused a batch of beef from us because it contained some
spinal material. There was the other recall just recently. There's
other recalls over the past couple of years. USDA is underfunded so
it can't send out all the inspectors it should, which leads to the fox
guarding the hen house. Shortcuts on regualtions are taken to
increase profits. I don't believe this situation has changed. You
get public assurances, which seems to be what most folks want, but the
situation on the ground is based on profit, not public welfare.
I still eat commercial foods when I have to, but I try not to.
zoomie
> USDA is underfunded so
> it can't send out all the inspectors it should, which leads to the fox
> guarding the hen house. Shortcuts on regualtions are taken to
> increase profits. I don't believe this situation has changed. You
> get public assurances, which seems to be what most folks want, but the
> situation on the ground is based on profit, not public welfare.
>
> I still eat commercial foods when I have to, but I try not to.
You are absolutely correct. We spend more money on strip searching
immigrants in airports than we do ensuring our food supply is safe. OK
so we all know the risks and can liken them to walking down your
average street. You stand roughly the same chance of contracting
e.Coli as getting hit by a runaway bus, shot in a drive-by or having a
piano fall out a 26th story window. Don't like it? Join the Amish and
grow your own food or just become a vegan. Do you think Peruvian
grapes swimming in pesticide are any better? Korean pears with a side
of Alar and paraffin? Can you tell me how may people have handled my
rutabagas? And why, in this day and age, are grocers still greasing
cucumbers? Where are they going that they require lubrication?
These are the things I go hiking to get away from. Thanks for
reminding me of this fact.
Zoom
duh
> Whenever someone disagrees with Pres. Bush, Davis attacks the person instead
> of what he/she is saying.
Pat, you said you didn't take my comment personal, but in light of
that, this comment here is confusing. Want to explain?
y_p_w
In my experience restaurants don't typically use anodized aluminum
like Calphalon but sometimes might use non-stick coated aluminum.
I've seen many a restaurant kitchen, and they typically go through
pots and pans like crazy. I know this fancy takeout place in Berkeley
where the four-seat counter is right next to one of the stoves. They
cook on uncoated aluminum alloy. Their soup is prepared in a huge
aluminum stock pot. They got aluminum pans hanging on racks. I've
seen other kitchens where common stainless steel is the norm. Some
fancy places like copper pots.
I sometimes shop for housewares in a restaurant supply store. Their
selection of pots and pans are overwhelmingly heavy gauge uncoated
aluminum alloy, but they do have a fair selection of Teflon or
Silverstone coated pans.
I'll just have to make do with my GSI Halulite (anodized aluminum)
double boiler.
y_p_w
> Since they anounced that the bottles only leak a little, and a little is ok
> for adults, the but them back on the shelves. Really!
>
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> > On Apr 25, 10:32 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> > > y_p_w<y_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >I'll wait until they have the standard sized loop-top bottles. That's
> > > >when I know this is a legitimate rollout.
>
> > > how so?
>
> > Their biggest seller and the product that madeNalgeneOutdoor was/is
> > the 1 liter wide-mouth loop-top bottle. Their 1 liter narrow-mouth
> > bottles can't be far behind.
It's available in stores - don't know exactly when it came out.
Pricey too. My local REI has the 1L wide-mouth loop-top "Everyday"
bottles for $9.95.
PatOConnell
The polyethylene Nalgene bottles never had BPA in them, and were never
pulled off shelves, except by people who wanted to replace their
polycarbonate bottles. I bought two polyethylene bottles just like ypw
is describing, at REI about a week after the BPA announcement.
y_p_w
> y_p_wwrote:
I never particularly liked polyethylene bottles - HDPE or LDPE. New
ones have a certain smell to them, and they don't take well to heat.
They're still using polycarbonate in their flasks, but those use a
(pthalate-free) PETE liner.
I believe Nalgene is still making polycarbonate bottles for use as
labware.
They're no regulation banning BPA-containing plastics in the US. I
still see plenty of water filtration products using PC. If I'm not
mistaken, those 5 gallon water bottles used by water delivery services
still use PC.