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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 12, 2012, 10:38:05 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 10:36 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:26 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 10:04 am, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote in messagenews:dbed12c3-2a4d-4c41...@r21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > On Mar 11, 5:30 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > > > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
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> > > > > Let me repeat this - as a cyclist I had respect for motor vehicles and
> > > > > showed it. Hence they showed respect for me. And over a 20 year period I
> > > > > never had any more problems with other traffic than I did when I was
> > > > > driving. And during that time I put in more miles on my bicycle than in
> > > > > my
> > > > > car.
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> > > > > Because you refuse to respect motor traffic most still show you respect
> > > > > and
> > > > > yet your too stupid to see or understand it.
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> you're
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> > > > I want to mention that road cyclists wearing lycra who average 20mph
> > > > have little to do with us mundane cyclists doing 10mph for practical
> > > > purposes. We are different species, and we have more conflict with
> > > > traffic do to the speed differential and other factors, such as the
> > > > fact that they often go in packs. We are just easy prey for the
> > > > beasts. Ironically we are the ones doing a real task such as shopping
> > > > or getting from point A to point B.
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> due
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> > > Let me appologize for writing insultingly. Since I've never been a "mundane
> > > cyclist"...
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> You and me both, brother. (Heck, I'm not even a "cyclist". Cycling
> is something my washing machine does.)
We are just "pedestrians on wheels." Pedestrians are insignificant
beings who often don't get a sidewalk. We are just a little more
significant because we can ride on the street and sidewalk.
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> > ... perhaps you have a more accurate view of that group.
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> > "Mundane cyclists" are different from "elite cyclists." We have
> > different look and different purpose for riding. We are like the
> > "raccoons" of the animal kingdom, at least that's the way they treat
> > us.
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> > Now we are driving 30miles to ride perhaps 15miles. No, we are not
> > exactly raccoons in that part of town.
>
> Cuba has (had) a better idea. Get radical. Human nature and and the
> wonderful "freedom" of the mainland making things difficult.
True, but somewhere in between we find the Netherlands and Denmark. I
think bikes and democracy are somewhat compatible. We are a little
more accepted than prostitutes but less than gays.
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> On Mar 12, 7:26 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 10:04 am, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote in messagenews:dbed12c3-2a4d-4c41...@r21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > On Mar 11, 5:30 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > > > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
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> > > > > Let me repeat this - as a cyclist I had respect for motor vehicles and
> > > > > showed it. Hence they showed respect for me. And over a 20 year period I
> > > > > never had any more problems with other traffic than I did when I was
> > > > > driving. And during that time I put in more miles on my bicycle than in
> > > > > my
> > > > > car.
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> > > > > Because you refuse to respect motor traffic most still show you respect
> > > > > and
> > > > > yet your too stupid to see or understand it.
>
> you're
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> > > > I want to mention that road cyclists wearing lycra who average 20mph
> > > > have little to do with us mundane cyclists doing 10mph for practical
> > > > purposes. We are different species, and we have more conflict with
> > > > traffic do to the speed differential and other factors, such as the
> > > > fact that they often go in packs. We are just easy prey for the
> > > > beasts. Ironically we are the ones doing a real task such as shopping
> > > > or getting from point A to point B.
>
> due
>
> > > Let me appologize for writing insultingly. Since I've never been a "mundane
> > > cyclist"...
>
> You and me both, brother. (Heck, I'm not even a "cyclist". Cycling
> is something my washing machine does.)
We are just "pedestrians on wheels." Pedestrians are insignificant
beings who often don't get a sidewalk. We are just a little more
significant because we can ride on the street and sidewalk.
>
> > ... perhaps you have a more accurate view of that group.
>
> > "Mundane cyclists" are different from "elite cyclists." We have
> > different look and different purpose for riding. We are like the
> > "raccoons" of the animal kingdom, at least that's the way they treat
> > us.
>
> > Now we are driving 30miles to ride perhaps 15miles. No, we are not
> > exactly raccoons in that part of town.
>
> Cuba has (had) a better idea. Get radical. Human nature and and the
> wonderful "freedom" of the mainland making things difficult.
True, but somewhere in between we find the Netherlands and Denmark. I
think bikes and democracy are somewhat compatible. We are a little
more accepted than prostitutes but less than gays.
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 13, 2012, 9:51:51 AM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 10:36 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
When you think about it, democracy has made a mess out of human
rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
space to cyclists.
rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
space to cyclists.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 13, 2012, 11:55:31 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 11:20 pm, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:52 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Every time some previous arbitrary prejudice gets overturned there's a
> hoo hah. What has happened in the case of gays is that a legal
> distinction that should never have been there has been removed.
>
> Also many countries, especially in Europe, have decriminalised
> prostitution but not the keeping of brothels. An adult person may
> voluntarily sell their services, but pimps and brothels have no place.
> So it's the exploitation that is prevented - and that's how it should
> be.
>
> Cyclists are an increasing problem. Law, since you're on about it,
> should be a covenant, dealing in responsibilities as well as
> punishments. Cyclists, in my experience, want all the protection but
> don't accept any responsibility. Which is as undemocratic as it gets.
>
> David Cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, touched on this
> in an interview. He is a cyclist, and he said he was in favour of
> protection for and more courtesy towards cyclists BUT they had to play
> their part too - obey traffic signals, not ride against the traffic in
> one way streets, not ride on pavements, ride courteously in parks and
> so on.
Count on me to support rights as well as obligations for cyclists. I
don't want to see a cyclist without lights. I don't care for helmets.
Nobody expects a cyclist to wait 3 minutes for a green, but I want
some responsibilities.
We'll never have bike facilities like in Holland, so we may as well
have the inner traffic lane on multilane roads and the cars pass on
the other lanes.
> On Mar 13, 3:52 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> hoo hah. What has happened in the case of gays is that a legal
> distinction that should never have been there has been removed.
>
> Also many countries, especially in Europe, have decriminalised
> prostitution but not the keeping of brothels. An adult person may
> voluntarily sell their services, but pimps and brothels have no place.
> So it's the exploitation that is prevented - and that's how it should
> be.
>
> Cyclists are an increasing problem. Law, since you're on about it,
> should be a covenant, dealing in responsibilities as well as
> punishments. Cyclists, in my experience, want all the protection but
> don't accept any responsibility. Which is as undemocratic as it gets.
>
> David Cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, touched on this
> in an interview. He is a cyclist, and he said he was in favour of
> protection for and more courtesy towards cyclists BUT they had to play
> their part too - obey traffic signals, not ride against the traffic in
> one way streets, not ride on pavements, ride courteously in parks and
> so on.
Count on me to support rights as well as obligations for cyclists. I
don't want to see a cyclist without lights. I don't care for helmets.
Nobody expects a cyclist to wait 3 minutes for a green, but I want
some responsibilities.
We'll never have bike facilities like in Holland, so we may as well
have the inner traffic lane on multilane roads and the cars pass on
the other lanes.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 13, 2012, 11:47:13 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 10:31 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> It's the guys in the pussy brightly-colored spandex
> speed suits and weird-lookin' helmets - they've ruined
> the image of cyclists. Now all anyone sees is "snooty
> rich liberal elitists" :-)
True, it's sort of trendy and flashy to be colorful and sexy.
But there are many species in the bicycle kingdom. Some wear serious
safari outfit.
> It's the guys in the pussy brightly-colored spandex
> speed suits and weird-lookin' helmets - they've ruined
> the image of cyclists. Now all anyone sees is "snooty
> rich liberal elitists" :-)
True, it's sort of trendy and flashy to be colorful and sexy.
But there are many species in the bicycle kingdom. Some wear serious
safari outfit.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 14, 2012, 10:10:06 AM3/14/12
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On Mar 14, 3:21 am, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 5:54 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> as other road users. Why should cyclists be allowed to cross an
> intersection when the light is red for them? That's a hazard for other
> road users - especially if we're talking about cyclists in numbers.
> There's a bunch that come down past my house at least two mornings a
> week 60 or 70 strong and a car can't get past without crossing a
> barrier line. Given that this platoon of cyclists is 5 or 6 car
> lengths long this is not a safe situation. If that lot decide that
> they're not going to wait for a red light then there's a problem.
Those platoons are a different issue. They are appropriately called
"packs" and have nothing to do with the practical cyclist in
question.
>
> My inclination is to say that things that pose no danger to others
> should not be legally stipulated. So if you don't want to wear seat
> belts in your car then that's fine. If a cyclist (of any kind) doesn't
> want to wear a helmet then also fine.
>
> BUT
>
> These things push up medical aid and insurance costs, not to mention
> costs for state or government healthcare.
Don't make it too hard for cyclists or they won't come out. If they
run a red light, they do so at their own risk but don't make them sit
there in the heat/snow/rain for 3 minutes. We are somewhat off the
grid, but not to the point that we are negligent not to wear lights,
bright clothes, etc.
> On Mar 14, 5:54 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 13, 11:20 pm, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Mar 13, 3:52 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 13, 11:20 pm, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Every time some previous arbitrary prejudice gets overturned there's a
> > > hoo hah. What has happened in the case of gays is that a legal
> > > distinction that should never have been there has been removed.
>
> > > Also many countries, especially in Europe, have decriminalised
> > > prostitution but not the keeping of brothels. An adult person may
> > > voluntarily sell their services, but pimps and brothels have no place.
> > > So it's the exploitation that is prevented - and that's how it should
> > > be.
>
> > > Cyclists are an increasing problem. Law, since you're on about it,
> > > should be a covenant, dealing in responsibilities as well as
> > > punishments. Cyclists, in my experience, want all the protection but
> > > don't accept any responsibility. Which is as undemocratic as it gets.
>
> > > David Cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, touched on this
> > > in an interview. He is a cyclist, and he said he was in favour of
> > > protection for and more courtesy towards cyclists BUT they had to play
> > > their part too - obey traffic signals, not ride against the traffic in
> > > one way streets, not ride on pavements, ride courteously in parks and
> > > so on.
>
> > Count on me to support rights as well as obligations for cyclists. I
> > don't want to see a cyclist without lights. I don't care for helmets.
> > Nobody expects a cyclist to wait 3 minutes for a green, but I want
> > some responsibilities.
>
> If they want to use the road then they should comply to the same rules
> > > hoo hah. What has happened in the case of gays is that a legal
> > > distinction that should never have been there has been removed.
>
> > > Also many countries, especially in Europe, have decriminalised
> > > prostitution but not the keeping of brothels. An adult person may
> > > voluntarily sell their services, but pimps and brothels have no place.
> > > So it's the exploitation that is prevented - and that's how it should
> > > be.
>
> > > Cyclists are an increasing problem. Law, since you're on about it,
> > > should be a covenant, dealing in responsibilities as well as
> > > punishments. Cyclists, in my experience, want all the protection but
> > > don't accept any responsibility. Which is as undemocratic as it gets.
>
> > > David Cameron, when he was leader of the opposition, touched on this
> > > in an interview. He is a cyclist, and he said he was in favour of
> > > protection for and more courtesy towards cyclists BUT they had to play
> > > their part too - obey traffic signals, not ride against the traffic in
> > > one way streets, not ride on pavements, ride courteously in parks and
> > > so on.
>
> > Count on me to support rights as well as obligations for cyclists. I
> > don't want to see a cyclist without lights. I don't care for helmets.
> > Nobody expects a cyclist to wait 3 minutes for a green, but I want
> > some responsibilities.
>
> as other road users. Why should cyclists be allowed to cross an
> intersection when the light is red for them? That's a hazard for other
> road users - especially if we're talking about cyclists in numbers.
> There's a bunch that come down past my house at least two mornings a
> week 60 or 70 strong and a car can't get past without crossing a
> barrier line. Given that this platoon of cyclists is 5 or 6 car
> lengths long this is not a safe situation. If that lot decide that
> they're not going to wait for a red light then there's a problem.
Those platoons are a different issue. They are appropriately called
"packs" and have nothing to do with the practical cyclist in
question.
>
> My inclination is to say that things that pose no danger to others
> should not be legally stipulated. So if you don't want to wear seat
> belts in your car then that's fine. If a cyclist (of any kind) doesn't
> want to wear a helmet then also fine.
>
> BUT
>
> These things push up medical aid and insurance costs, not to mention
> costs for state or government healthcare.
Don't make it too hard for cyclists or they won't come out. If they
run a red light, they do so at their own risk but don't make them sit
there in the heat/snow/rain for 3 minutes. We are somewhat off the
grid, but not to the point that we are negligent not to wear lights,
bright clothes, etc.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 14, 2012, 11:01:56 AM3/14/12
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On Mar 13, 9:50 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 12, 10:36 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
issue at hand, namely why gays are getting what they want but not
cyclists.
First off, they are organized, colorful and are making noise. We fall
behind on all accounts. Critical Mass is the closest we come to their
strategies, but that's more like a bunch of wild monkeys without a
vision of the jungle --the system-- and without proper connection with
the people at large. What we need is simply to TAKE THE LANE and stay
there because we belong there. We have to make the public aware that
they can benefit from bicycling by saving on gas and other expenses
that go with the "cage." They probably don't even know they are part
of the grid by driving in cages, and we tell them that the bicycle --
or even the scooter-- can be liberating. But first, we insist, we must
tame traffic because the "bull" --or beast-- is loose and we are all
scare to die or be hurt.
Secondly, I think the gay issue is also tossed around as a DISTRACTION
by clever politicians. Being the foxes that they are, they know that
people react emotionally to these issues and vote accordingly. Gays
are consumers too and the only sin in a consumer society is NOT being
a consumer. Nobody wants to scare away consumers because consumers
feed the system. DO THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE "LIBERATED" ENOUGH TO RIDE
A BIKE wherever they please, bypassing the grid, and then make fun of
Big Oil by feeding on bananas? I don't think so. That's serious
business, not monkey business. It would feed the local restaurants and
business certainly, but they are little predators in the great scheme
of things. Actually the little business is an endangered species that
is nearly starving.
But that's only my humble opinion.
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 12, 10:36 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 10:36 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Mar 12, 7:26 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 10:36 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 12, 10:04 am, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 12, 10:04 am, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote in messagenews:dbed12c3-2a4d-4c41...@r21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > On Mar 11, 5:30 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Mar 11, 5:30 pm, "Tom Kunich" <tkun...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > > > > > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
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> When you think about it, democracy has made a mess out of human
> rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
> space to cyclists.
OK, I want to apply my sharpshooter's wisdom of the jungle to the
> rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
> space to cyclists.
issue at hand, namely why gays are getting what they want but not
cyclists.
First off, they are organized, colorful and are making noise. We fall
behind on all accounts. Critical Mass is the closest we come to their
strategies, but that's more like a bunch of wild monkeys without a
vision of the jungle --the system-- and without proper connection with
the people at large. What we need is simply to TAKE THE LANE and stay
there because we belong there. We have to make the public aware that
they can benefit from bicycling by saving on gas and other expenses
that go with the "cage." They probably don't even know they are part
of the grid by driving in cages, and we tell them that the bicycle --
or even the scooter-- can be liberating. But first, we insist, we must
tame traffic because the "bull" --or beast-- is loose and we are all
scare to die or be hurt.
Secondly, I think the gay issue is also tossed around as a DISTRACTION
by clever politicians. Being the foxes that they are, they know that
people react emotionally to these issues and vote accordingly. Gays
are consumers too and the only sin in a consumer society is NOT being
a consumer. Nobody wants to scare away consumers because consumers
feed the system. DO THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE "LIBERATED" ENOUGH TO RIDE
A BIKE wherever they please, bypassing the grid, and then make fun of
Big Oil by feeding on bananas? I don't think so. That's serious
business, not monkey business. It would feed the local restaurants and
business certainly, but they are little predators in the great scheme
of things. Actually the little business is an endangered species that
is nearly starving.
But that's only my humble opinion.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 16, 2012, 10:07:18 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 16, 2:30 am, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 4:35 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 5:20 am, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 4:09 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > > there's an accident - with a car or with another cyclist - then the
> > > other party is at risk too. Even if there's no collision they may have
> > > to swerve suddenly.
>
> > Bicycles are partially off the grid. They must be. Many of the
> > regulations applicable to cars do not apply to a cyclist whose
> > negligence is only dangerous to himself.
>
> Not so. A motorcyclist, with right of way, hits a cyclist who jumped a
> red light....
>
> > Plan B is to copy the Dutch system exactly like it is, but I'm sure
> > nobody is going to bother to give us such a royal treatment.
>
> That's one of those things that is expensive to add in after the fact.
> It helps that Holland is a country not exactly famous for steep
> gradients.
>
> I'm amazed that it works in the Netherlands (if it still does).
> Drivers can't resist a relatively empty lane. Look at the UK where
> there is misuse of designated bus or taxi lanes. Here in SA, where the
> man in the street has rather less regard for the law, reservation of
> lanes isn't going to work unless there's a physical barrier. Can you
> spell "cost"? Then, of course, COSATU would call a national strike
> because the government is favouring the filthy bourgoisie and their
> recreational activities.
Well, "the revolution is about solutions." Tell Big Brother, "Fix it,
or face the fact that you are a stupid predator who only knows how to
eat."
We set a goal: "PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE A BICYCLE EVERYWHERE."
We expect that --at least-- government officials commute by bicycle
once a month to set the example. They are not above the people they
claim to represent, which is the case when they drive SUVs with tinted
windows. It blocks the reality of the jungle.
In the case of the Netherlands, government officials can claim that
anyone that wants to ride a bicycle can do so. Even Germany is working
hard to catch up, though they are working with the present
infrastructure, ie. making bike lanes instead of separate bike paths.
Something funny since you live in South Africa: Some cyclists claim
that "separate bike facilities" represent "Apartheid"... In other
words they reject bike paths altogether to favor the status quo. But
the status quo means the Law of the Jungle.
> On Mar 15, 4:35 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 5:20 am, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 4:09 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Don't make it too hard for cyclists or they won't come out. If they
> > > > run a red light, they do so at their own risk
>
> > > They do not! Nobody runs a red light only at their own risk. If
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Don't make it too hard for cyclists or they won't come out. If they
> > > > run a red light, they do so at their own risk
>
> > > there's an accident - with a car or with another cyclist - then the
> > > other party is at risk too. Even if there's no collision they may have
> > > to swerve suddenly.
>
> > > > but don't make them sit
> > > > there in the heat/snow/rain for 3 minutes.
>
> > > THAT is their risk.
> > > > but don't make them sit
> > > > there in the heat/snow/rain for 3 minutes.
>
>
> > Bicycles are partially off the grid. They must be. Many of the
> > regulations applicable to cars do not apply to a cyclist whose
> > negligence is only dangerous to himself.
>
> Not so. A motorcyclist, with right of way, hits a cyclist who jumped a
> red light....
>
> > Plan B is to copy the Dutch system exactly like it is, but I'm sure
> > nobody is going to bother to give us such a royal treatment.
>
> That's one of those things that is expensive to add in after the fact.
> It helps that Holland is a country not exactly famous for steep
> gradients.
>
> I'm amazed that it works in the Netherlands (if it still does).
> Drivers can't resist a relatively empty lane. Look at the UK where
> there is misuse of designated bus or taxi lanes. Here in SA, where the
> man in the street has rather less regard for the law, reservation of
> lanes isn't going to work unless there's a physical barrier. Can you
> spell "cost"? Then, of course, COSATU would call a national strike
> because the government is favouring the filthy bourgoisie and their
> recreational activities.
Well, "the revolution is about solutions." Tell Big Brother, "Fix it,
or face the fact that you are a stupid predator who only knows how to
eat."
We set a goal: "PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE A BICYCLE EVERYWHERE."
We expect that --at least-- government officials commute by bicycle
once a month to set the example. They are not above the people they
claim to represent, which is the case when they drive SUVs with tinted
windows. It blocks the reality of the jungle.
In the case of the Netherlands, government officials can claim that
anyone that wants to ride a bicycle can do so. Even Germany is working
hard to catch up, though they are working with the present
infrastructure, ie. making bike lanes instead of separate bike paths.
Something funny since you live in South Africa: Some cyclists claim
that "separate bike facilities" represent "Apartheid"... In other
words they reject bike paths altogether to favor the status quo. But
the status quo means the Law of the Jungle.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Mar 16, 2012, 10:59:51 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 14, 7:09 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2:25 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Very sharp observation. I can see you are another sharpshooter. ;)
Image is a thing that even prostitutes try to improve. But I don't
think it would be a problem in the Netherlands where anyone rides
bikes. Anyway I was watching this crime series where the prostitutes
and homeless are disappearing into thin air. Of course, behind it
there's this serial killer who claims to be "cleaning house. The lady
politician covers up the crimes til the last minute not to lose image
--another one taking care of her image-- but everything finally
explodes and goes public. Funny thing is this is taking place in the
FILTHY ALLEYS OF WASHINGTON DC, and cleaning house should mean
cleaning the alleys literally and having the prostitutes be displayed
on a pretty Dutch style red light district, right on the window for
clients to go "window shopping" in a clean safe environment. In other
words, filth is the true crime to me, not prostitution.
> On Mar 14, 2:25 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > When you think about it, democracy has made a mess out of human
> > rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
> > space to cyclists.
>
> Which is why you don't see many hookers on bikes.
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > When you think about it, democracy has made a mess out of human
> > rights: It prosecutes prostitution, it legalizes gays and it denies
> > space to cyclists.
>
Very sharp observation. I can see you are another sharpshooter. ;)
Image is a thing that even prostitutes try to improve. But I don't
think it would be a problem in the Netherlands where anyone rides
bikes. Anyway I was watching this crime series where the prostitutes
and homeless are disappearing into thin air. Of course, behind it
there's this serial killer who claims to be "cleaning house. The lady
politician covers up the crimes til the last minute not to lose image
--another one taking care of her image-- but everything finally
explodes and goes public. Funny thing is this is taking place in the
FILTHY ALLEYS OF WASHINGTON DC, and cleaning house should mean
cleaning the alleys literally and having the prostitutes be displayed
on a pretty Dutch style red light district, right on the window for
clients to go "window shopping" in a clean safe environment. In other
words, filth is the true crime to me, not prostitution.
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