An Update on Robby Seidel's Funeral (Yes, Fred Phelps' WBC idiots were present with the "God hates F____" signs.)
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It was a packed Basilica, packed to overflowing, with mourners. Pastors and
former Pastors from Seidel's parish were present, as was the Auxilliary
Bishop of Western Maryland, and several priests from Mt. St, Mary's
University, and Protestant clergy from the areas congregations. Family,
relatives, friends were in attendance. Graduates of Catocton High School,
where Robbie graduated from, West Point classmates. military friends, nearly
half the mourners were young adults. The Mayor, and other town officials
were also in attendance. The fire department set up two ladder trucks at the
entrance to the Basilica, with flags hung from them. Volunteers from the
fire department joined the Patriot Guard in forming a blockade between the
Basilica and mourners, and the hate-mongers from Westboro Baptist. The
Patriot Guard's motorcycles lined South Seton Ave and the entrance to the
Basilica, the members lined in front of them. The hate-mongers therefore
could not even get *on* the sidewalk, they were forced to the opposite side
of the street, up by the Seton Center Daycare (which was closed that day),
directly accross the street from the FEMA building, and National Fire
Academy. The funeral procession changed it's route, getting off at the Rt
140/Main St exit, then turning right onto South seton Ave at the Town
Square, rather than getting off Rt. 15 at the South Seton Ave exit. So the
mourners never even saw the hate signs carried by the insensitive
protesters. South Seton Ave was temporarily blocked to through traffic, so
the protesters had no audience, except for the media. The family has set up
a scolarship fund in Robbie's name, and asked that donations be given to
that in lieu of flowers. All I can picture in my mind was the teenage altar
server that towered over me (I'm only 5 ft.) 5-6 years ago, a handsome,
polite young man with ambition and drive. I still can't believe that Robbie
is gone, that Sandy no longer has her son, her child whom she adored. The
last time they spoke was Mother's day, he called to wish her a Happy
Mother's day, and to say 'I love you' to her. A few days later, was the
dreaded knock on the door. With the recent death of the Al Queda leader,
Bush talks about withdrawing troops. I sure hope so, before anymore young
men die, it's been more than enough already.
This was the coverage by Frederick's newpaper, the News-Post.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=49350
This was by Emmitsburg's Community paper.
http://www.emmitsburgdispatch.com/
It's in PDF format (with photos), so I c&p'd for those who can't open PDF's
(such as WebTV users)
http://www.emmitsburgdispatch.com/2006/June/Issue1/TEDJune1_2006Pg3.pdf
THURSDAY, JUNE 1, 2006 3
THE EMMITSBURG DISPATCH
Area's first Iraq war casualty laid to rest
- ROBERT A. ROSENSTEEL SR. / THE ROSENSTEEL STUDIO
(Picture) More than 1,000 mourners attended services held in the Basilica of
the National Shrine of St. Elizabeth Ann Seton on Memorial Day for 1st Lt.
Robert A. Seidel, III, killed in Iraq on May 18. Former pastor of St. Joseph
Catholic Church, Reverend James O. Kiernan, was the celebrant. Bishop W.
Francis Malooly, Auxiliary Bishop of Baltimore, concelebrated the Mass.
BY DISPATCH STAFF
EMMITSBURG, Md. - On Monday, May 29, Memorial Day, U.S. Army 1st Lt. Robert
Seidel, III, 23, was laid to rest with full military honors. Within sight of
a 9-11 memorial, Seidel was buried in St. Joseph Roman Catholic Church's
cemetery next to the Basilica of the National Shrine of Saint Elizabeth Ann
Seton.
Seidel's journey home began a week and a half earlier on Thursday, May 18
near Baghdad, Iraq. An improvised explosive device detonated, striking the
Humvee in which Seidel's patrol was riding.
Seidel and three others were killed, according to a spokesperson from the
U.S. Department of Defense. Lt. Daniel E. Holland, 43, of San Antonio, Tex.;
Sgt. Lonnie C. Allen Jr., 26, of Bellevue, Neb. and Pfc. Nicholas R.
Cournoyer, 25, of Gilmanton, N.H. died with Seidel. Holland was assigned to
the 352nd Civil Affairs Command, Fort Bragg, N.C. Seidel, Allen and
Cournoyer were assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry, 1st Brigade
Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry), Fort Drum, N.Y.
Seidel grew up in Emmitsburg. He was an altar boy for St. Joseph Catholic
Church and later a high school representative for the parish counsel. He
played football and baseball for Catoctin High School and played in the
Emmitsburg Baseball and Softball League when he was younger. He graduated
from Catoctin High School in 2000.
"He had wanted to go to West Point since he was five," said his mother Sandy
Seidel.
He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 2004, the first
Emmitsburg resident to do so.
He is also the first local resident to die in the Iraq War since it
officially began in March 2003. Near the end of the service the Seidel
family was given 1st Lt. Seidel's Bronze Star, which he was awarded for his
service in the war.
Inside the basilica, the standing-room only crowd of more than 1,000
mourners showed how much Seidel meant to the community.
"The people of Emmitsburg have been wonderful," said Sandy Seidel.
Though Rob Seidel's parents, Robert, Jr. and Sandy, and brother Stephen, now
live in Gettysburg, many of his family still live in northern Frederick
County. His paternal grandparents, Robert Sr. and Ruth Seidel, are in
Emmitsburg. His maternal grandmother, Arlene Giannini, is in Thurmont. His
grandfather, Robert Seidel Sr. was a former Emmitsburg mayor, and a retired
Mount St. Mary's College professor, and his uncle, Edward Seidel, had been
an Emmitsburg Commissioner.
The Rev. James O. Keirnan, C.M., a former pastor of St. Joseph Catholic
Church, presided over the service, with Father Vincent O'Malley and Father
Stephen Trzecieski as concelebrants. Kiernan had known Seidel as a young
adult at St. Joseph's.
Present as well was the Auxiliary Bishop of Baltimore, Most Reverend W.
Francis Malooly, D.D., V.G. and clergy from many other denominations in
Emmitsburg's Council of Churches.
As the mourners inside the basilica sang "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"
Seidel's coffin was carried from the church to St. Joseph Roman Catholic
Church Cemetery.
Prior to the Mass, 200 to 300 members of the Patriot Guard, a group of
motorcyclists made up of veterans and their families who ride for special
memorial duty, rode to honor Seidel. Maryland State Police, State Police K-9
units, Frederick County deputies, Emmitsburg fire personnel and about 15
police vehicles paid tribute.
The funeral cortège was diverted en route from the Stauffer Funeral Home in
Thurmont to the 140 (Main Street) ramp off U.S. Route 15, and then proceeded
south on South Seton to the Basilica to avoid a small group of anti-military
protestors from Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, Ks. The half dozen
protestors were contained on a small site diagonally across from the
northernmost entrance to the Basilica, with police stationed nearby.
A scholarship has been es-tablished in Seidel's name and contributions can
be made to the Rob Seidel Scholarship Fund, Catoctin High School, 14745
Sabillasville Road, Thurmont, MD 21788.
Editor's Note: For local tributes and more on Seidel see page 11.
"Rob grew up in Maryland, and as a child he and his family made frequent
visits to the Civil War battlefield at Gettysburg, and from his earliest
days he dreamed of serving in the U.S. Army. He deployed to Iraq with the
10th Mountain division and was killed by a bomb in Baghdad. His father says
this about Rob: 'He loved his family, and believed in God, and he loved his
country, and he was willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of his
country.'
We live in freedom because of young Americans like Lieutenant Rob Seidel."
-President George W. Bush
in a May 27 radio address
- ROBERT A. ROSENSTEEL SR. / THE ROSENSTEEL STUDIO
(Picture) Sandy Seidel clutches the flag that covered her son 1st Lt. Robert
Seidel, III's coffin. Seidel's parents also received numerous commendations
their son earned including the Purple Heart, a presidential award honoring
military person wounded or killed in the line of duty.
It's in PDF format (with photos), so I c&p'd for those who can't open PDF's
(such as WebTV users)
http://www.emmitsburgdispatch.com/2006/June/Issue1/TEDJune1_2006Pg11.pdf
THURSDAY, JUNE 1, 2006 11
THE EMMITSBURG DISPATCH
Tributes honoring a local fallen soldier, and protests
From his school
Sue Weaver, Robert Seidel III's guidance counselor during his senior year at
Catoctin High School:
It was "the glory end" of his outstanding high school career, capped by his
appointment to West Point and his best friend Ryan Rippeon's appointment to
the Naval Academy. Weaver said that most affected were staff, teachers and
coaches who had known Seidel. A group met on May 23 to address their grief.
Doug Williams, Seidel's football coach at Catoctin High:
"He played for me for four years, and he was a team-first guy all the way .
a selfless player" who could and would play any position. As a student "he
was very mature for his age, very focused. he knew what he wanted to do,"
and had "a great sense of humor." Williams said, "He was a pleasure to
teach, a pleasure to coach . I'll never forget him."
From his church
Father Vincent O'Malley, pastor of St. Joseph's Catholic Church in
Emmitsburg:
"Our parishioners saw him growing up and spoke highly of him and regarded
him as a responsible and dedicated young man.
From Emmitsburg baseball
When Robbie Seidel was 11, he played for the Emmitsburg Red Sox. His brother
Stephen joined him on the team in the spring of 1995.
On Saturday, May 20, during a special ceremony before the Emmitsburg Red Sox
played the Taneytown White Sox, the Emmitsburg Baseball Softball League
honored the town's first Iraqi war casualty.
Jeannie Doane, EBSL spokesperson, said that league players, their family
members, league members and others wore yellow ribbons throughout the day to
honor Seidel. "It's a sad irony," Doane said, "that the league's opening day
ceremony devoted the season to U.S. troops serving at home and abroad."
League President Brian Holt presented Seidel's brother with flowers and a
sympathy card. Doane said the flag was then lowered to half-staff, and that
"It will remain at half-staff, in Robbie's honor, for the remainder of the
season."
-RICHARD D. L. FULTON / THE DISPATCH
(Picture) Members of the Patriot Guard Riders rally in front of the basilica
before the Memorial Day funeral for Robert A. Seidel III. More than 200
motorcyclists, including many veterans, ultimately lined the roadway to the
basilica with flags to honor the fallen soldier, to demonstrate sympathy for
his family, and, if necessary, to provide a human shield between any
protestors and mourning family members. The Patriots are comprised of
volunteers from a number of other motorcycle groups who assemble as the
"guard" for patriotic, memorial and funerary events. Riders from numerous
states were represented during Seidel's services.
-RICHARD D. L. FULTON / THE DISPATCH
(Picture) An officer stands by as a handful of protestors, from the
77-member Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, Kan., express their opinions on
placards displayed during the Memorial Day funeral for 1st Lt. Robert A.
Seidel III. The group, comprised of members of the Phelps' family, according
to a WBC representative, protested on South Seton Avenue adjacent to the
Seton Center. The funeral route was changed at the last minute to avoid
driving past the protesting group.
Hateful idiots from Westboro Baptist Church with their sick protest signs, I
won't c&p the hate speech here. At least they were kept faaaaaar away from
the Basilica and mourners.
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***=W=***
ignoring this thread because your ASS has no solid proof I was ever
being watched. It was all in your sick mind! Bitch can you say check mate?
jake
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That caused a lesser Villian than myself * ?
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Make thy demand aloud , Joey .
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Joey Poison ' d Me Poison ' d Me !
Sweet Death Awaits ?
Bring My Circus Forth !
***=W=***
making direct threats toward funeral goers I feel they have just as much
right to free speech and protest as anyone else. I do think the law
should make such people keep a reasonable distance from funerals but in
no way should limit free speech, or the right to protest even on issues
that I may or may not agree with.
jake
ronald martin
wellfair trip .??
She could have said that but shes known to lie alot to . You cant trust
those twitter twatter gurls .
Cocktail sticks stand up in your drink .
ronald martin
and get her a new group to post her lies in. Banned from rasap and the
road rest stops in the same day . Is hard on an old heffer like her .
Tea and cow cakes for her loyal friends .
and a side order of bangers and mash for granny .
jake
Unnamed_...@webtv.net
trail of proof. In your lard encrusted mind it vindicates you.
Consider the following -
We know your dear, dear. friend Michael Puff was busted and sentenced
to a long,long jail term for trying to lure a child into a potential
snuff film. That was established in court. Do you not think the Feds
and the Delaware State Police would not investigate everyone of his
e-mail contacts?
Rest assured that they did. Somewhere there is a Tyler file. What's
in it I have no idea - and Carol never claimed to either - again you're
distorting when you say other wise.
Does this mean you're about to be arrested? No.
Does it mean you're pure as driven through snow? Nyet.
It probably means you're not worth the effort - right now. You're
poor, on welfare, butt ugly so we can assume you can neither buy much
in the way of expensive porn and you're too ugly to lure some one on
web cam to your less than fab government funded "home." And even if
you did, you have no resources to keep them - either by enticement or
force.
What it means is you're pretty much a blight on humanity - but not a
big timer evil doer -yet. (Of course this is the only thing about you
that isn't big.)
Does that mean you'll never be caught? No. As you found out when you
were whor...@webtv.net - even chubby small timers can get swept up in
the trash pickups.
Rest assured Lard Lass, your day may never come, but we all know you'll
be sweating butter worrying about "What if . . ."
How sad that is to go through life like that. Of course you life was
never much to start with, so I guess it just is what it is - sad, empty
and pathetic."
ronald martin
Miss Marples . Twittering on & on .
***=W=***
Rant on and on Kevin, Carol claimed I was being watched! The funny thing
about this the ONLY place I was being watched is in her homophobic
warped mind. She did not say she suspected I was being watched, or I
possibly was being watched, she made a concrete claim I was being
watched then when called to ask was not able to back up any of her
outrageous fairy tail.
Now you can sit back and hurl insults all you want, BUT my dear that
does not change the con job your dear friend Carol tried to pull, nor
does it change the fact that when called to task her ugly ass does not
have one single bit of proof to back up her claims I was being watched.
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them. This soldier died a hero and did not die in vain either.
What's important too, is that we can't cut and run. Our soldiers don't
want to do that. they want to stay long enough to get the job done,
then come home as heroes.
Was Robbie related to anybody out here We have a Pastor Harvey Seidel
here, pastor of 1st Baptist Church
capt7...@msn.com
answer.
Ronny TX
present with the "God hates F____" signs.)
Group: alt.rasap Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2006, 7:34pm (CDT+5) From:
eart...@nospam.net (What's Up!)
It was a packed Basilica,(snip)
Ronny:
Carol,I was so sorry to hear of your loss and the loss to others in this
young mans death. I say my condolences to you all.
P.S.
And I am very glad to hear that the small handful of hateful idiots that
came to his funeral were kept back to where they could not bother the
family and friends of this young man.
Love,
Ronny
50/gcm/Texas
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And now abides faith,hope,love,these three;but the greatest of these is
love.
1 Corinthians 13:13
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***=W=***
posted this thread to avoid answering in that thread. Now go back to
drinking cheap swill or whatever it is you do to fill your days.
Regardless, does not change the fact Carol is avoiding posting any sort
of proof because she has been caught in a lie!
***=W=***
made this post to promote her political view points about funeral
protest. She also made the post in an attempt to bury a direct
confrontation that proves her to be a bold faced liar.
jake
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Thin ' kst it Honorable for Nobility ?
To a Mother ' s part belongs
Seeds of plenty ; A Father 's Sins
Harlots , Vagabonds , Men Liasoned !
Blasphemy !
... shadows ... embers ... leavened bread ...
Who Goe ' st In The Night ?
Tell not Me
Tell it to the Source
These things imprison ' d ME
The cleft devours Thy chin , My Lord !
jake
ronald martin
about people and then when one wants proof . They run and hide .
So we know shes a grand scale liar and a big mouth dumpster .
Cum on tubet spit out your proof !!!!
ronald martin
time in a drunk tank .Fag hags are all nasty cows .
RonJake .
ronald martin
ronald martin
anything they want to clean out there own septick tank . Before they
try to flush some one else's
toilet .
RonJake O B E .
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could sacfifice your self for halliburton...what a nobel cause
What's Up!
LOL Kevin! Your sarcasm is _killing_ me.... LOL LOL LOL
What's Up!
> Wrong thread. Start up a new one with that question if you want an
> answer.
>
<satire>You must excuse poor, poor Ty Ty. (Gee, thanks Little Jakey-poo for
the new moniker.) You see, my correction of _his_ assertation struck such an
incredibly raw nerve, that he is going postal with a major nervous
breackdown. Send the guys in white coats and bring the thorazine, it's off
to the looney-bin with him. Be sure to send a proper ambulance to fetch him,
you will find him hallucinating and screaming at his PC scream, foaming at
the mouth as he shrieks, "Help me Janet! Help me Babs! Carol and Kevin are
destroying my life!". </satire>
Whoreboy is a gutless Wonder Woman, with no tact, feeling or compassion
whatsoever. Wonder if he is reading my replies to the other thread? Wonder
if he is going ballistic? Wonder why he took me out of killfile where he
previously claimed to have placed me?
What's Up!
> CAROL WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PROOF THAT i WAS BEING WATCHED?
I DON'T KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE USDOJ, IF YOU DARE?
>you are ignoring this thread
How am I ignoring this thread, when I am the one who started it. BTW, thanks
for threadcrapping, it's *SO* like you!
>because your ASS has no solid proof I was ever being watched.
Who says I need solid proof of anything, save you?
>It was all in your sick mind!
Convince yourself of that all you wish, because it isn't so.
>Bitch can you say check mate?
B@st@rd, can you say *LOSER* ???? :-D
Thanks for your thoughts of sympathy, *NOT* !!!
Did anybody ever tell you that you are a cold-hearted SOB?
What's Up!
> Listen you dumb alcoholic twat, I brought it up in another thread,
> Carol posted this thread to avoid answering in that thread. Now go back to
> drinking cheap swill or whatever it is you do to fill your days.
> Regardless, does not change the fact Carol is avoiding posting any
> sort of proof because she has been caught in a lie!
>
Listen up, you stupid twit. This post had nothing to do with you, and your
obsession over my not replying to you when you want in that other thread. I
can reply to you _when_ I want, _how_ I want, and _if_ you want, and there's
not a d@mn thing you can do about it, comprende?
This happend to be my third post on this subject. If you were paying any
attention, you woul have noted that I posted twice before, here
(http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rasap/msg/e44d3b1a33e65e96?dmode=source),
and here
(http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rasap/msg/dc91503b4ef55a4b?dmode=source).
This is simply a followup to the others.
> capt7...@msn.com wrote:
>> Wrong thread. Start up a new one with that question if you want an
>> answer.
>>
>> ***=W=*** wrote:
>>
>>> CAROL WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PROOF THAT i WAS BEING WATCHED? you are
>>> ignoring this thread because your ASS has no solid proof I was ever
>>> being watched. It was all in your sick mind! Bitch can you say
>>> check mate?
What's Up!
> As long as these people are not trespassing on private property, or
> making direct threats toward funeral goers I feel they have just as
> much right to free speech and protest as anyone else. I do think the law
> should make such people keep a reasonable distance from funerals but
> in no way should limit free speech, or the right to protest even on
> issues that I may or may not agree with.
As Capt. said, wrong thread. Your comment might be better suited here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rasap/browse_frm/thread/b9b59b35a73b3966/059b5b71bfd7986d?q=bob&rnum=5#059b5b71bfd7986d
No one is debating the rights of anybody here, just reporting the facts of
the event. They have their right to free speech, and they had it here. And
the Patriot Guard and others have the right to stand up to the hate-mongers
and prevent their hate-speech from being heard by the mourners. I do not
like WBC and what they represent, but I will defend their right to voice
their opinions. South Seton nAvenue was completely lined with firefighters
from the National Fire Academy and the local fire departments, to keep the
protesters at bay.
If you make a law specify that they must remain a certain distance, you are
already limiting their free speech, by putting restrictions on where they
can make it. A law is a bad idea, each funeral is better dealt with at the
local level. The peacefullness of the counter-demonstraters who blocked the
sidewalk, thereby preventing WBC from standing on it, so that they had to go
to the other side, demonstrates that it can be controlled at the local
level.
Because the Basilica _is_ _not_ public property, the Daughter's of Charity
Religious Order could forbid them from being present anywhere on the
property itself. I knew beforehand that they would be unable to get any
closer to the Basilica that the sidewalk along the road. The road leading
into the Basilica is a private road. They were told when the town gave them
the permit, where they could protest. If American suport a 'feel-good' law
that is nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to an unsettling experience, one
can only wonder what more of our precious freedom can be eroded away by
future 'feel-good' laws. Sometimes, by not always, the ACLU has it right.
What's Up!
> glad they was able to hold off the protestors, where they couldn't see
> them. This soldier died a hero and did not die in vain either.
> What's important too, is that we can't cut and run. Our soldiers don't
> want to do that. they want to stay long enough to get the job done,
> then come home as heroes.
Kudos to the Patriot Guard for a job well done, and to the local firemen
from the area departments and National Fire Academy for additional
assistance. Hope you saw the pictures. The one of the two flag-draped ladder
trucks with the ladders fully extended, at the Basilica entrance, was a site
to behold. Robbie believed that what he was doing to help the Iraqi people
was importent. And he was prepared to give up his life in what he believed
was a noble cause. The fact that he died a hero's death, is some comfort to
his parents. I just whish it did not have to happen to him, or any other
person.
>
> Was Robbie related to anybody out here We have a Pastor Harvey Seidel
> here, pastor of 1st Baptist Church
>
I honestly don't know. I have no knowledge of any extended family, only his
immediate family locally.
What's Up!
> An Update on Robby Seidel's Funeral (Yes, Fred Phelps' WBC idiots were
> present with the "God hates F____" signs.)
>
> Group: alt.rasap Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2006, 7:34pm (CDT+5) From:
> eart...@nospam.net (What's Up!)
> It was a packed Basilica,(snip)
>
> Ronny:
> Carol,I was so sorry to hear of your loss and the loss to others in
> this young mans death. I say my condolences to you all.
>
Thank you. It still is sinking in. It's hard when it's someone you know, and
they were so young.
> P.S.
> And I am very glad to hear that the small handful of hateful idiots
> that came to his funeral were kept back to where they could not
> bother the family and friends of this young man.
>
Amen to that. And the number of counter-protesters that kept them abay were
considerable. The sight of veterans and their supporters from the Patriot
Guard, many in uniform, along with Firemen in uniform, lining the sidewalk
of South Seton Ave., and the private road into the Basilica, was a powerful
deterrent to the hate-mongers.
> Love,
>
> Ronny
> 50/gcm/Texas
> slee...@webtv.net
> And now abides faith,hope,love,these three;but the greatest of these
> is love.
> 1 Corinthians 13:13
>
> Gay Christian Webpages,Etc.
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/sleepy44/TempPageForWebpage
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What's Up!
> I don't believe for one second Carol lost anyone,
Of course you don't. Just because *YOU* don't believe it, doesn't make it
so. I do indeed know this family, and did indeed know Robbie over 5 years
ago, when he was an altar server, and I a lector. That you don't believe it
is of no consequence to me. I did not know him extremely well, I know his
grandfather, a fellow lector, the most.
>I do however think she made this post to promote her political view points
>about funeral
> protest.
Since I never stated *my* views regarding funeral protests, just how did you
surmise this in your porn-addled brain? Since you think you know just what
my views are, perhaps you won't mind sharing, being that you seem to possess
telepathy, and can apparently read my mind. I have since replid to this
thread, and further up you will find precisely what my viewpoint is, only
given because of you stating yours, off-topic, in this thread.
She also made the post in an attempt to bury a direct
> confrontation that proves her to be a bold faced liar.
>
When I thought you had made your dumbest, stupidest comment; you never cease
to fail me in making another. This is not WebTV, you idiot, you cannot bury
threads in USENET. And you have failed to prove anything, I am only a liar
in _your_ silly mind. You may ass-u-me any postion, and make any opinion
(which, like @-holes, all have) you want. You have once again failed to
prove anything: still a failure, always a failure, at life and on USENET.
Ronny TX
were present with the "God hates F____" signs.)
eart...@nospam.net (What's Up!)
capt7...@msn.com wrote:
(snip)
Carol:
(snip)
Robbie believed that what he was doing to help the Iraqi people was
importent. And he was prepared to give up his life in what he believed
was a noble cause. The fact that he died a hero's death, is some comfort
to his parents. I just whish it did not have to happen to him, or any
Ronny:
Amen to that! And I still say no one under 30yo should have to go to
war-preferably 40.
ronald martin
to her eyes in B.S.
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any proof of me being watched. You are nothing but a lying bitch and
have proved it with your long winded post that lack any sort of
substance. If I was actually being watched you would have something to
back up your hollow accusations. Now rant on and on and hurl insults
because Carol you have nothing, and are nothing.
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Carol you can rant on and on, but you have no evidence against me, I
even ask you nicely to post something to back up your insane claims that
I was being watched----You were not able to produce even a shred of
evidence to back up your outlandish lie.
If anyone here has FAILED at anything Carol, it is you you have FAILED
to produce even the smallest shred of evidence to back up your
outlandish claims I was being watched.
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an "a" when you spell bastard PMSL!
Now as for you saying I am a cold hearted SOB, that may or may not be,
but one thing is certain Carol you are a manipulative anti Gay liar.
Larry the cable guy
And since today is Friday, she will be a proper Catholic and eat her
boring veggie salad for dinner. In the meantime, I'll be chowing down
on burgers and fries.
Yupp, Trev eats meat any time he wants, 'cuz he is a real man.
What's Up!
> Carol you can rant on and on but the sad truth is you have yet to post
> any proof of me being watched.
a) Replying to you is not engaging in a rant, please use dictionary.com and
stop missusing the word. You offend those who have decent writing and
reading skills, and make purists cringe. b) You have yet to explain just why
I must post proof. Newsflash: I do not need to 'prove' anything to anyone,
if I choose not to, this is *not*, after all, a court of law. If you are so
desperate to find out, you will just have to sue me now, won't you.
>You are nothing but a lying bitch and
Thank you for your opinion. Considering that you have been proven to be a
liar by the eyewitness testimony of your ex-friends, roomies, and internet
acquantances, I'm quite sure that many will agree with you. ROFL
> have proved it with your long winded post that lack any sort of
My posts, which are replies to your screeds, are no longer than yours. I
guess that makes *you* long-winded as well. LOL
> substance. If I was actually being watched you would have something to
> back up your hollow accusations.
a) You were being watched. b) Again, why do I need something to back up my
statement? An accusation is when you accuse someone of doing something. I
did not accuse you of anything. Stating that the USDOJ was watching you, is
not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Must you continue to wrangle the
English language by improperly using words?
>Now rant on and on and hurl insults because Carol you have nothing, and are
>nothing.
This from the person who actually _does_ rant, *and* hurls insults! LOL _I_
have nothing? I have more than you! Are nothing? Who is the one who has lost
many of their friends, roomates and acquantances, both on and offline? I
actually gained some, many are your ex's. :-D
What's Up!
> Carol you can rant on and on, but you have no evidence against me,
YOU are the one who raised the subject! YOU are the one ranting about it! I
have already _told_ you that I don't care, that I will not post proof, that
I am not obligated to provide _you_ with anything. You have been told that
you can believe whatever _you_ want. *YOU* are the one ranting on and on
about the subject and going ballistic about 'proof'. I don not _need_ to
provide you, or anyone else, with proof of my statement. Sue me in court if
you have to know that badly.
>I even ask you nicely to post something to back up your insane claims
> that I was being watched----
Nicely??? *NICELY???* You call _this_ screed you posted 'asking nicely'?
>>Prove your outrageous lie that I or any of the others you claim were
>>being watched by law enforcement of any sort including the USDOJ or
>>admit that you have made this up. Unless you have proof of this insane
>>claim one has to assume that you had many motives to lie and made the
>>whole thing up.
>
>>It has been how many years and you have posted nothing other than your
>>asinine rantings, flames, & name calling to back up your claims.
>
>>Face it you washed up catholic busy body, if I was being watched by
>>anyone I would have been TOSed by WebTV (didn't happen) and if there was
>>any wrong doing I would have faced both criminal and civil penalties
>>(Neither has happened)
>
>>Now is your chance Carol post 100% proof that I was being watched
>>(official USDOJ documents that specifically mention my name, or any of
>>the others, and back up your claims), or admit to the fact you are
>>nothing more than a selfish lying bigot who does not have any sort of
>>ground to stand on.
>
If *THAT"S* nice, what are you like when you are nasty?
>You were not able to produce even a shred of evidence to back up your
>outlandish lie.
a) Pay attention, dumbazz: I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE MY STATEMENT! b) Believe
all you want that it's a lie, believing it to be doesn't make it so.
>
> If anyone here has FAILED at anything Carol, it is you you have FAILED
> to produce even the smallest shred of evidence to back up your
> outlandish claims I was being watched.
>
And this has any bearing on.....what???
Unnamed_...@webtv.net
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To put it in simple terms that your feeble brain will understand Kevin,
Carol lied and made the claim that I was being watched, and she has yet
to back up her outlandish lie with any sort of proof.
The burden of proof that I was being watched is on Carol, and like it or
not something is not true just because the insane Xmas Carol says that
it is true!
Even funnier is that if I was being watched Carol would have to explain
away why I never have been charged or gone to prison for any of insane
things that she has claimed I have done over the years.
Bottom line is Carol's fairy tale has fell apart and all the insults,
name calling, and exaggerations from you or anyone else can't put that
cracked bitch back together again.
What's Up!
> To put it in simple terms that your feeble brain will understand
> Kevin, Carol lied and made the claim that I was being watched, and
> she has yet to back up her outlandish lie with any sort of proof.
>
To put it in simple terms that *YOUR* feeble brain will understand, Cryler;
it is *your* *opinion* that I lied, not fact; and this is _not_ a court of
law, so I am not obligated to provide you with even a shred of proof, and
Kevin *knows* this!
> The burden of proof that I was being watched is on Carol, and like it
> or not something is not true just because the insane Xmas Carol says
> that it is true!
>
But I don't have to _meet_ that burden, it is only required that I be taken
by my word. People can take my word, or _not_ take my word, by determining
whether I am credible or not. This is an issue of credibility, not of actual
physical proof. Even in a court of law, a statement made by someone can be
held up as fact, without physical evidence, based on the person's
credibility. Even a court of law does not always require physical proof. In
a criminal case, there cannot be reasonable doubt; in a civil, only a
preponderance of the evidence is necessary for a verdict. The admissable
evidence in a court of law includes sworn stements made by the parties
involved, as well as, or in addition to, any physical evidence onbtained.
Your lack of understanding as to how the legal system works, only serves to
make you look stupider, when you keep yammering on about 'proof', and that I
am lying if I don't provide it.
> Even funnier is that if I was being watched Carol would have to
> explain away why I never have been charged or gone to prison for any
> of insane things that she has claimed I have done over the years.
>
Even funnier, in a sad way, is your incredible lack of reading comprehension
and understanding. You were already told in the original post the answer to
that, and it was repeated when you brought this up again. I'm not going to
keep repeating myself because you are too stupid to get it the first time.
Repeating the above nonsense as though it were true, in an attempt to
persuade the masses, only makes you look foolish.
> Bottom line is Carol's fairy tale has fell apart and all the insults,
> name calling, and exaggerations from you or anyone else can't put that
> cracked bitch back together again.
>
Bottom line is that just because you claim the above, that doesn't make it
so. You can be in denial all you want, but not everyone else is in denial of
the facts with you. Kevin doesn't have to do anything to put that "cracked
bitch" together, because he doesn't see it as you do, as broken apart. He
does not share your opinion. And you just can't live with that. Kevin has
already made it clear that he does not support your opinion, and that it is
you who he sees as the "cracked bastard", who scrambles to reassemble
himself to no avail. He sees you as the broken man you are, shattered by the
revelations posted by myself, Janet/Joe, Babs and many, many others. You're
the one who is unable to deal with it.
> Unnamed_...@webtv.net wrote:
>> - which only takes her a moment to do . . .
>>
>>
>>
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disbelief and think you actually talked to a USDOJ lawyer about me, or
that you actually know any real information on anyone.
So continue to rant on and on it still does not change the fact you made
an outlandish claim and can not back up a single word of it.
BWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
What's Up!
> Carol, you may not like this but no one is actually going to suspend
> disbelief and think you actually talked to a USDOJ lawyer about me, or
> that you actually know any real information on anyone.
>
a) How would *you* know what anyone else thinks regarding my statement? Do
you presume to speak for them??? b) I have already told you, numerous times,
that I do not care whether you, or anyone else believes me or not.
> So continue to rant on
Rant - To speak or write in a angry or violent manner; rave
How is my correcting your erronious claims constitute a rant? Since I am not
the one who is posting profanity-laced speech, in which the same silly
claims are repeated as though they are fact, when they are opionion and have
been corrected and noted as such; how is it that I am ranting? As usual, you
won't answer, you never do. You rant and rave and try to claim the upper
hand because you take opinion to be the same as fact, because you are either
incapable of comprehending, or just plain lazy or ignorant of the English
language.
>and on it still does not change the fact you made an outlandish claim and
>can not back up a single word of it.
Again, it is _not_ a fact, it is an *opinion* ! And I can back it up, but I
see no need to. How about answering the question as to _why_ I must back up
my claim with proof, why my word is not good enough for the masses when I am
the one with the established credibility? (This should be good, if the
coward ever gets brave enough to give his reasoning).
> BWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
Not gonna work, You still haven't accomplished a thing with this current
smear canpaign of yours, just like you didn't with the last one, and the one
before that, and the one before...
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up.
You are the one having the break from reality and think that you have
some sort of privileged information from a USDOJ lawyer.
You are the one who makes long winded replies to post that could easily
be dealt with in 3 or 4 sentences.
Now go make us all happy and have another car accident!
jake
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Our Father !
" jake "
Who Art In Heaven
Hallow ' ed Be Thy Name
Shame Eludes my Father (As It Should)!
Thy Kingdom Come
Thy Will Be Done
On Earth as It is In JakeLandia !
Give Us This Day
... dawn ... mid-day ... twilight ...
Our Daily Bread
When The COCK Crows
Make My DADDY Cum !
Bring My Circus Forth !
jake
Larry the cable guy
things happen to bad ppl.
For me, I have never driven drunk and I never will. I won't even take
the wheel if I have had any alcohol to drink.
Poor Miss Thang, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I call
it karma tho.
jake
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Life's A Beach
You Sang To Me
What's Up!
> You Carol are the one making a claim that you are not capable of
> backing up.
>
And if I don't back it up, what????
> You are the one having the break from reality and think that you have
> some sort of privileged information from a USDOJ lawyer.
>
Privileged? What's privileged about it?
Privileged - Confined to an exclusive or chosen group of individuals:
privileged information.
Since the information was clearly provided to you at the time, how is it
privileged?
> You are the one who makes long winded replies to post that could
> easily be dealt with in 3 or 4 sentences.
>
You have made posts that have equaled or exceeded mine in length. You have
no room to talk. If I could have dealt with them in 3 or 4 sentences, then I
wouldn't have to deal with you repeating yourself ad nauseum.
> Now go make us all happy and have another car accident!
Who's "us"? You should talk to your crazy doc about these other
personalities of yours.
ronald martin
Well thats a fag hag for you .
ronald martin
spider and sat down beside her and said STFU .
ronald martin
And he lies as much as she does . Two old peas in the clay p-ss pot.
ronald martin
But she knows if she does they will throw the key away when they lock
her up in the camarillo nut farm .
jake
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pictures were archived and some made there way onto usenet.
It is 100% fact Carol used to pose as a teen in the kiddie groups so she
could bring up her nauseating religious ideology.
Carol is a proven liar and even has been known to email others asking
them for private emails and postings to put in her files-----While it
may not meet the legal definition of stalking anyone who tries to
collect this much information on people they will only know online can
not be possibly be hanging on the proper side of sanity.
jake wrote:
> I'm still wondering why she was posing as a teen???
>
> Did you hear about that purported scenario?
>
> And what about that S & M yahoo group that the "bacement boy" fostered?
>
> What about that pic of him I conveniently ran across of him tied up in
> ropes with that mask on?
>
> And those other pics he posted into the public domain for ALL to see,
> hmmm?
>
> What about him posing as a 14-16 year old in "THAT" group?
>
> My, My, My!
> The things that the Titanic have surfaced!
>
> I love my MOLES!
> dirty stinky nasty
>
> BTW: have you figured out who your moles are YET, Nelly Jelly?
>
> he he he
> neener neener neener
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /<>You Fall For Me/
>
>
> Life's A Beach
> You Sang To Me
>
>
>
> /Bring My Circus Forth !
> /
>
ronald martin
wont be from the pages of A P repost storys .
Tiger
jake
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What's Up!
> Yeah Joey might not know it but the Yahoo group he had many of the
> pictures were archived and some made there way onto usenet.
>
> It is 100% fact Carol used to pose as a teen in the kiddie groups so
> she could bring up her nauseating religious ideology.
>
It is 100% *FALSE* Carol used to pose as a teen in the *TEEN* (NOT 'kiddie')
groups so she could bring up her nauseating religious ideology.
> Carol is a proven liar
100% *FALSE*
>and even has been known to email others asking them for private emails and
>postings to put in her files-----
*LIES*
>While it may not meet the legal definition of stalking anyone who tries to
> collect this much information on people they will only know online can
> not be possibly be hanging on the proper side of sanity.
>
> jake wrote:
(a bunch of lying troll nonsense)
<mercifully snipped>
What's Up!
> And the drama continues.......
>
Along with the meltdown....
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Genius
They were already trolling this group and will continue with or with
out him. LOL
ronald martin
s*m . Pictures from her bacement dun'geon shown on her web cam . To
lure in young boy lovers . Poor granny & Momy
forced into looking at all that dirty nasty goings on .
What a mental retard .
ronald martin
the time posting nasty porn on his web cam . Talking all the time
about boy lovers and how we were to blame . Chaining him self to the
wall of his s&m dun'geon. posting pictures of things he doesint own
and lieing himself silly about bikes he never had .
Hes a very sick person .
jake
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You Sang To Me
jake
ronald martin
trying to find a little dirt about someone . So she can tel her fag
hags . And perv posters .
Dirty stinky and nasty .
ronald martin
likes to get chaind to the wall . Steals other ppl pictures lies and
goes after boy lovers .
All the things a slimey retard would do"
Dirty nasty puss bag need I say more .""