What Is It About Biggie???
Adrunk
Why do you like the man??? Seriously, everyone bar me seems to think the
sun shined out his ass. But I really, honestly can't see why. Can someone
please tell me why he is SO respected? As far as I can see, there's
average street-thuggin-it lyrics, cumbersome delivery, and a voice which
sounds like he's got a pitta bread lodged under his tongue.
But there must be something. Someone out there, tell me what makes Biggie
great so maybe I can grow to like the cat too.
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Ryburn Ross
Biggie was pretty average. You're not alone. I enjoyed his delivery style
personally, but very quickly got bored while listening to his songs.
Ryburn
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Ish
I mean, who else can sing a song with a terrible voice, and still pull it
off?...I know it's one of my favorite songs.
Plus "juicy" is the shit...
Ish...yes, I'm elevated...but nevermind that.
Critique and platinumize my rhymes...or else.
Current alt.rap Battle Ranking: 22 points, tied for 13th
C'mon, challenge me.
Next Year Tournament Champion: [[Theoretic]]
GOD i'm good...wait, that's me.
I still put the "ill" in "skill". ...seriously.
Pizon
only reason they got popular is because they got popped.
Someone pop me.
Get at me,
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I was more a fan of the production rather than his lyrics but he had a
distinctive voice imo. Something about his delivery and his voice that
made you stop and take notice. Chuch D of PE had that same quality in his
voice. I'm not saying that Biggie was anywhere near Chuck as an MC because
he most certainly wasn't. Chuck is just the best example that I can think
of right now for what it is about biggie's voice that appealed to me.
locomajate
his flow. Tell a story. Not too many cats on the MIC can actually tell a
good story about the same shit...Murder, Drugs, Women, Party's and all that
shit. But Biggie had a way of bringing it. Listen to "Warning", "Somebody's
Got To Die", "Respect" or "I Got A Story To Tell" and you can just imagin'
what the hell his rhyming about.
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DJ Slyde
It's ironic because I haven't heard a biggie song in like forever, and I
just happened to decide to listen to funk flex vol. 4 and it had a biggie
freestyle that I never heard on it before, and it was just nice. Here's an
excerpt
"Biggie Smalls is the wickedest
Niggas say I'm pussy, I dare you to stick your dick in this
If I was pussy I'd be filled with syphilis
Herpes, gonorrhea, climittia, getting rid'a ya"
Listen (or read) some of his lyrics in like All bitches get money (Junior
Mafia - Conspiracy), and Brooklyns finest (Jay-Z - I forgot the name of the
album, i still smile when I hear him say "If faith has twins she'll have two
pacs, get it, tupac's"), Big Booty Hoes (I like hoes with big tits and nice
asses, educated, so I can bust up in they glasses - Jim Duke shoot, then the
bitch get the boot
unless she lick ass and blow dicks like flutes), juicy (of course, no need
for an explanation), Victory was good too. He was an overall abnormally
creative artist, and unfortunately led the path for other artists. The
reason I liked him a lot was because of his creativity, (Big Poppa "A t-bone
steak, cheese, eggs, and welches grape") which led to a good storytelling
background because once you can set up a scenario the plot is simple from
there. I still love listening to "I got a story to tell", only because of
how well he set up the scenario. Here's an excerpt from how he sets up the
scenaio:
Sweetness, where you parked at?
Petiteness but that ass fat
She got a body make a nigga wanna eat that, I'm fuck witchu
The bitch official doe, dick harder than a missile yo
Try to hit if she trippin dissapearin like Arsenio
Yo, the bitch push a double-oh
with the five in front, probably a connivin stunt
Y'all drive in front, I'm a peel with her
Find a deal with her, she fuck around and steal, huh?
Then we all get laced
Television's, Versacci heaven, when I'm up in em
The shit she kicked, all the shit's legit
She get dick from a player off the New York Knicks
Nigga tricked ridiculous, the shit was plush
She's stressin me to fuck, like she was in a rush
We fucked in his bed, quite dangerous
I'm in his ass while he playin gainst the Utah Jazz
My 112, CD blast, I was past
She came twice I came last, roll the grass
Notice how it isn't anything spectacular, but you can picture the situation.
That is what kept the listeners attention. As far as his delivery, it
helped me like him, but that's not WHAT I liked about him. For example I
jes can't flow with shyne. His delivery is quite similar but I'm just not
feeling it. Biggie wasn't a battle rapper, he was a creative artist and
that's what made him so diffrent, and why he stands out. That's the same
reason Eminem stands out, he is very creative. He takes phrases and thinks
of the associations and goes from there. Give a few of those somgs that I
mentioned a listen (or even read the lyrics on ohhla.com). You will
definetely understand afterwards.
Joey
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Natty GoGo
interesting in the least. Fat Joe is better.
Dafydd
Michael Fthenos
Word is bond thun, you don't know? Y'all don't even understand MCing
then. It's all about the charisma and the way he emphasizes certain
words. See, y'all aren't even an MC, so how can you go and make a
judgement like that? Some of y'all geek asses on here don't know shit,
and all ya do is listen to them whiteboy backpacker cats. It's true
dun. Now, let me drop a gem on ya. Biggie was good because this one
time I was stylin down by the Tunnel with a fresh fade, a blue
Davoucci leather piece, some fly Dada kicks, and some Avirex jawns.
Shit was dope. So we get in, and I'm dancing up a storm, because I'm a
muthafucka who knows how to dance, ya know....not like them bitches
who wallpaper the club. And then this fly chickenhead steps up and
she's rubbing all over me, and I know she wants to worship the D, but
I play it off like "Naw man, I can get better than this", and just
straight up stoneface her. So anyways, about 2 songs later, Biggie
comes on, and his charisma was enough to not only get me one chicken,
but two. About two hours later I'm back at the crib, and these
cluckers is just tired as fuck because of the poundin I gave em. So
that's why Biggie was great. Although no one will ever top Nas, who
I'd willingly get on my knees for if I ever saw him on the street.
One.
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Adrunk
many times, but the problem I have with that is that the actual stories he's
telling are dull as fuck. I admire Ghostface or Raekwon or Outkast for
their storytelling abilities cause the stories are interesting. But Biggie,
I just can't get into the shit.
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Augi
He is definitely OVERRATED, but he was a top-notch MC nontheless. This shit
about him being the greatest rapper in hip hop history is pure BS. But he has
proven that he has incredible lyrical wit and wordplay. Check that old shit he
dropped on Funkmaster Flex's 60 Minutes of Funk mixtape.
Augi
"Guns cocked, mug shots, cell blocks and locked down
But I done made it too far to stop now
Results of a 'banger, to most I'm a danger
No hope for those who come too close to the chamber"
-- Tray Deee
Adrunk
then. It's all about the charisma and the way he emphasizes certain
words."
Give this shit up already. It doesn't matter how much charisma a cat has or
how much he emphasizes certain words, if his lyrics are garbage he's
garbage. And I can't feel Biggie's flow either because 75% you can't tell
what he's saying. Not saying Biggie's lyrics are garbage by any means btw,
better than 2001's crop......
" See, y'all aren't even an MC, so how can you go and make a judgement like
that?"
It wasn't a judgement, it was a enquiry. And I can make a judgement if I
want. I could drag out the old plumber metaphor again, but I won't.
"Now, let me drop a gem on ya. Biggie was good because this one time I was
stylin down by the Tunnel with a fresh fade, a blue Davoucci leather piece,
some fly Dada kicks, and some Avirex jawns. Shit was <snip>these cluckers is
just tired as fuck because of the poundin I gave em. Sothat's why Biggie was
great. "
Oh right. OK. Thanks for making it all clear.
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Jay
(Born Again don't count as it was posthumous and shit)? What y'all think?
DJ Slyde
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Timid
jay_ki...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/8/01 9:47 AM:
> Would he be as BIG as 2Pac if not bigger had he done more than 2 albums
> (Born Again don't count as it was posthumous and shit)? What y'all think?
>
>
Not in my opinion....Pac you could feel...he rhymed about alot of social
political things as well. Biggie was my rolex and rolls...type ish.
TImid
A to the L
wrote:
>Give this shit up already.
Methinks you didn't spot MF's bestest Goldenchild impression...
PEACH
A to the L
"That said, A to the L owns all your stankin asses. Man can rap his ass off. The rest are scrubs." some Fat dude...
Check the sites y'all... www.altrap.com www.raredj.com
"If skills were pussy, half you rappers would be celibate."
DJ Slyde
him. As far as his storytelling is concerned, he rapped about everyday
stuff that happens that has happened to him. I've got a story to tell - I
think that was damn interesting. Gimme the loot - that song was brilliant.
It wasn't exactly an all out story but it had some plot to it (lets start a
debate, was that Biggie on there as 2 people or did he have somebody rap
with him and not mention him in the credits.) Another thing that I forgot
to point out is that I really liked biggies analogies. For example - Niggas
is mad I get more butt than ashtrays. or one more chance remix has bunches
of them:
First things first, I poppa, freaks all the honies
Dummies, playboy bunnies, those wantin money
Those the ones I like cause they don't get nathan
but penetration, unless it smells like sanitation
Garbage, I turn like doorknobs
Heart throb, never, black and ugly as ever
He is so descriptive that it makes one laugh and smile at the listening of
it. Bigge was an abnormal rapper and I think that is also what people liked
about him. He was original.
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DJ Slyde
legend at that. Kind of like how baseball is. If Babe Ruth were to play
today, he would suck ass. He was overweight, and he smoked. However he's
considered the All-Time Greatest, and for his time he was. At Biggies time
around '94 and again in 97-98, nobody could top him, he was just good. I
think there are plenty of rappers that are better than him. I would
consider Eminem a better lyricist than him, however when you listen to his
music, you have to put yourself in that timeframe. Think that you just
heard the OJ decision or something. So if he is the greatest of all time it
is more like the greatest legend of all time.
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Dave Paget
2Pacs first album was DOPE, plus he'd worked with D.U. (Take the Train/Dolio
Flow is wicked!), his next album was good enough, but not particularly my
thing. Then he went and
sucked major dick.
Juicy was a pile of ARSE... Wrecks N Effect ripped that tune off a fuckload
better
years before, what's the big deal about it? GIMME the loot was a BAD tune for
BIGGIE......
DJ Slyde
story to tell, you're nobody, kick in the door, Whats beef, sky's the limit
was great!, miss u, notorious thugs last day, I mean the cds were great.
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Droctane22
sometimes....its hard to say why you like something sometimes, you just do..
peace...
DJ Slyde
explaining why
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Ish
Ish...and THAT's why I love biggie. I'm still more of a tupac fan though.
miss bee
you get ahold of Big's "Real Niggaz" Part I, II and III, from 1995.
Sometimes they call it "Road to the Riches". It's set to Cali beats.
It's a really fucking funny story and perfectly showcases his
delivery, sense of humor and ability to tell a story.
Selected quotes:
"Baby mama screamin' 'your daughter's twelve months. Can't live life
slangin' rocks and smoking blunts.' Hanging with the niggaz doesn't
pay the bills and being broke at 30 gives a nigga the chills."
"I bought wifey a crib, the junior mafia an arcade. Mad games, lots of
candy because a little chicken loot be comin' in handy."
spinsane the asciist
od you own "ready to die"? if not, get it. listen to it over and over
and over again. i've had it since it came out, and i too never jocked
biggie all that much. over the years i've gotten more and more out of it
than i had hoped. its one of the best albums ever. just listen to it and
you'll find rarely paralleled sickness in flows, lyrics and delivery. its
just outstand.
i don't have anything else by big, but just baseing my judgement on this
one LP, i can say he's one of the top MCs ever.
2nd statement:
"if you don't know, now you know... nigga"
biggies just something you gotta learn about on your own.
spinsane the asciist
ever.
there's the whole 2pac vs biggie comparison a lot of cats have made... but
i don't consider pac in the league of biggie at all.. if that means
anything. its kinda weird that ad doesn't feel biggie... the only thing i
can think of is that ad hasn't listened to biggie enough. cuz big is dope
spinsane the asciist
MCing standpoint, fat joe is 2 or 3 tiers belows big. big's old shit (i
ain't listened to anything since "ready to die") is up there with
Illmatic...
allthough, you don't like Illmatic from what i remember, so that may be
moot. natty, whats your AIM btw? amazed pudding is never online.
peace
spin/ spinsy1981 AIM with not enough time to hit RMHH as much as I would
like to
spinsane the asciist
ghost and rae are nice, no doubt. but big overshadows them with MCing
abilities. outkast is a whole nother bag of apples... its hard to compare
them, OK is dope tho
spinsane the asciist
pac really hit a mark with dumb kids who don't know shit about MCing. Pac
was good, and I love his shit... i got 2pacalypse Now when it came
out. but Big is the superior MC. he just didn't have the DMX-type
rowdiness that appeals to the mass audiences that Pac had.
so.. i think Pac is good, very good.. but Big is some shit you can
listen to as an MC and learn from... which Pac has never had
Dave Paget
other than that the beats blowed and the content was arse
Natty GoGo
spinsane the asciist wrote:
> please. fat joe has good flow, good lyrics and good presence. but from an
> MCing standpoint, fat joe is 2 or 3 tiers belows big. big's old shit (i
> ain't listened to anything since "ready to die") is up there with
> Illmatic...
>
> allthough, you don't like Illmatic from what i remember, so that may be
> moot. natty, whats your AIM btw? amazed pudding is never online.
I like Illmatic better than RTD - which I find highly overrated. The Primo
track and Suicidal Thoughts are about the only songs I'd still listen to. The
Fat Joe thing was kind of just a dis - although I must say I'm more likely to
pull out Represent than I am Ready to Die.
My AIM - Amazed Pudding.... I'm lazy when it comes to turning it on.
Dafydd
DJ Slyde
songs got a nice flow to it. my aim sn is breakbeat1200 or jl12w6machine
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Dave Paget
Offering kiddies sweets?
well, it worked getting skank ass lil Kim, so i guess....
truplaya611
his lyrics, I can't explain it, but lets just say that it was one of a
kind.....
"Adrunk" <jam...@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
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> This is a question for all you Biggie fans.........
>
> Why do you like the man??? Seriously, everyone bar me seems to think the
> sun shined out his ass. But I really, honestly can't see why. Can
someone
> please tell me why he is SO respected? As far as I can see, there's
> average street-thuggin-it lyrics, cumbersome delivery, and a voice which
> sounds like he's got a pitta bread lodged under his tongue.
>
> But there must be something. Someone out there, tell me what makes Biggie
> great so maybe I can grow to like the cat too.
>
> Ad.........
>
>
Kingsley Kwajwo Oteng
saying a whole lot on his albums (unlike Pac who makes an over worked effort
to lecture) but he didn't need to. Biggie's delivery and rhyme skills did it
all - one of a kind. There wasn't anything like it before him and there
ain't been anything since.
Check his first two album's - the latter being a bit more accesibale. Born
Again is garbage.
- Kwaj
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S IH /A ID Y
prolly going to regret saying this when I get flamed like a motherfucker, but I
don't think Tupac is the best MC ever. Don't get me wrong, he's pretty good,
but I think these two cats get way too much credit, mainly cuz they're dead. To
quote Biggie "You're nobody 'til somebody kills you."
Adrunk wrote:
> This is a question for all you Biggie fans.........
>
> Why do you like the man??? Seriously, everyone bar me seems to think the
> sun shined out his ass. But I really, honestly can't see why. Can someone
> please tell me why he is SO respected? As far as I can see, there's
> average street-thuggin-it lyrics, cumbersome delivery, and a voice which
> sounds like he's got a pitta bread lodged under his tongue.
>
> But there must be something. Someone out there, tell me what makes Biggie
> great so maybe I can grow to like the cat too.
>
> Ad.........
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nor
do they deserve, either one" - Thomas Jefferson
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Heroik
biggie? biggie? how did he get to where he is? it aint skillz, he f*ckn ate his
way to the top.
Dave P
ate his
way to the top. }}}}}}
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ChozenOne
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> Biggie's decent, but I was thinkin' about that the other day too. Oh
shit, I'm
> prolly going to regret saying this when I get flamed like a motherfucker,
but I
> don't think Tupac is the best MC ever. Don't get me wrong, he's pretty
good,
> but I think these two cats get way too much credit, mainly cuz they're
dead. To
> quote Biggie "You're nobody 'til somebody kills you."
agreed...they're both decent, but now at all worth of all the credit they
get...in my country u have a bounch of kids (that's bout 70% oh Hip-Hop
population) that be runnin around dressing like 2pac wit bandanas and callin
eachother nigga...4 them 2pac is the best rapper ever (cos they don't know
what the fuck is an emcee so everybody's a rapper to them) and if you wanna
disagree they start sayin some dumb shit untill u give it up, and get it
that they don't know what the fuck Hip-Hop is and they're not worth of
explaining...they r like most primitive Hip-Hop life forms...now in this
fase part of them r ready to say that the only rapper that can go close to
2pac is eminem...now they're the best eminem & 2pac...u got all kinda kids
that be copying eminems tatooes on arms with a fucking pen...that shit is
fucked up...
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MC that Biggie and Pac were.
ChozenOne wrote:
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Timid
sna...@guy.ritchie.com wrote on 8/14/01 4:30 PM:
> Hell yeah man, I hear you on that. I do think, however, that Em is 50 times
> the
> MC that Biggie and Pac were.
>
i can't believe ya'll are still talking about Biggie.
Em 50 times better than Pac? haha hahah excuse me did i forget to say
hahahaha. Em is tight but he has no meaning behind his rhymes like Pac did.
TImid