Message from discussion Nas Threatens 50 over Lopez Track

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Subject: Re: Nas Threatens 50 over Lopez Track
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:12:58 -0600
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-->noixe wrote:
>>your argument kind of reminds me of when some college freshman first
>>start listening to hip-hop, but they don't wanna be associated with what
>>they find objectionable, so they come up with ridiculous lines of
>>reasoning about how only "conscious" shit (or whatever it is they like)
>>is real hip-hop.  that shit's retarded.
> 
> 
> hey some of us grew out of that.
> 

=) (i think i actually remember a post a while back where you talked 
about having that phase, but i was actually thinking of a specific 
irritating person that lived on my hall freshman year, so this wasn't 
directed at any rmhh members)

anyway, i'm not really insulting people who do that, i'm just saying 
it's a retarded/unnecessary argument.  there's nothing wrong with only 
liking some hip-hop.  i'm just sayin there's no reason to come up with 
wierd justifications for what you like and what you don't.  for 
instance, i don't listen to much rock (and i've only really been 
listening to any for the last 3 or 4 years).  i tend to be more into 
either stuff with a more pronounced electronic influence (e.g. tv on the 
radio, radiohead from ok computer and on) or indie stuff with good beats 
(e.g. modest mouse), but i'd never claim that that's the only real rock 
music.

and honestly, much or most of what i really like these days would be 
considered "backpacker" stuff anyway.  but i wouldn't call the stuff i 
don't like not hip-hop.  it's all hip-hop.  pop fans saying atmosphere 
isn't hip-hop bothers me as much as backpackers saying that chingy isn't 
hip-hop.

really, what irritated me about the specific guy i was thinking of was 
that i'd been listening to hip-hop since like 6th grade, and he'd been 
listening to it for like a year before he came to college.  and then 
he'd come with patronizing arguments about how blackstar and common were 
hip-hop but dre and tupac weren't (they were "rap").  all the more 
irritating because i really like blackstar and common, so i couldn't 
just be like "yeah, the shit you listen to sucks."