RAP = SHIT
ifr...@cnedcu51.bitnet
I think there is no melody and the words are so silly that they
make sick!!!!!!!!!! Let's listen to good music like Pink Floyd
or Beatles.I think you 'll be so surprise that you 'll finally
find your way.
Guignol 1er,Neuchatel,Switzerland.
annoying opinions
You can take your beatles-loving, wall-climbing, swiss-moca-having, idiotic
opinions and make your own melodies. Then when you come out with
your "song," we can all make fun of you like you have been making fun of
yourself.
Simple: if you don't like it, make like Prince and Gett Off! Find something
new to bite. Dog biscuits are looking chewy these days. Your mom seemed to
like eating them when she was pregnant with you.
acee agoyo
agoyo1, once again back is the incredible
Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi
Let's not have any responses to this post. The individual who sent it probably
never subscribes to this newsgroup so no point flaming s/he/it. Send personal
replies to the ijit if you wish -clog up its mail not ours.
At least s/he/it likes good music like the Beatles and Pink FLoyd, the
Grateful Dead, Van Wailin', Great big stinkin' cocks etc.
Don't you? :-0
Selector Dudu Black
"It ain't nuthin like hip-hop music" - Groove B CHill
"Rap is outta control!" - EPMD
SHeee YAAAH!
cpbu...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
HE'S TOTALLY KIDDING EVERYONE!!! HE'S JUST A FRIEND OF MINE THAT LIKES
STIRRING UP TROUBLE!!!!! IGNORE HIM AND HE'LL GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR HIM!!!!
Brian K!z!K MacDonald
Oh, and how refreshing it is to see our monthly "rap sucks" post come
back.
(Too bad this ignorant puss doesn't realize that the Beatles were into
sampling as well)
K!z!K
None of ya Bizness
$ Why do you like this stupid music called "rap"?
$I think there is no melody and the words are so silly that they
$make sick!!!!!!!!!! Let's listen to good music like Pink Floyd
$or Beatles.I think you 'll be so surprise that you 'll finally
$find your way.
IGNORE!!!
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Stone Cold Gentleman
Who the fuck do you think you are you Pink Floyd, Dead head, un-rthymic,
mother fucking hippy. If you want to live the past fine, but don't come
on this .net. and tell us your lame punk as opinions.
Lets talk about lyrics, Groups such as Public Enemy have lyrics that envoke
thought and social change...Pink Floyd's music are for burn outs who wish
live back in time and there lyrics make NO FUCKING SENSE.
Peace
No...FUCK YOU
.db.
Stone Cold Gentleman
>Selector Dudu Black
Sorry about the response G, I read his post first and couldn't help myself.
Peace Out
.db.
>SHeee YAAAH!
Royal Australian Trouser Club....
GO AWAY !!!!
If we all continue listenig to DEAD music ...
ie Pink Floyd,BEETLES...where will we go...
Stay in your DEAD musically impotent word..
What social issues did the beattles ever address ???
MILDRED/SHITSU
kamchatka_charlie
(disclaimer: This incorperates a viewpoint of a whitey who listens to and
enjoys rap. Therefore, the references will seem disconnected to those whose
musical baptism was with soul or rap.)
> If we all continue listenig to DEAD music ...
> i.e. Pink Floyd,BEETLES...where will we go...
While the Beatles (correct spelling for the group) and Pink Floyd [and
other "Artists Of The Past" (tm)] are not exactly "Up To Date" (tm), they are
still worth listening to. It is their work that, IMHO and from my viewpoint,
set the stage for the acceptance of Rap as an art form (not that everyone
accepts it, but many who do accept it from this point of view--again, IMHO):
All the Beatles works from Revolver through Abbey Road expanded the
musical vocabulary of popular music and allowed the discussion of
noninterpersonal topics (I.E. everything outside the "I am (was, wanna be,
should be etc) in love with you/I feel great" brand of songwriting). This
translates into the social topics which nowadays ALL rap groups deal with in
their songwriting.
Pink Floyd turned the concept album into an art form. How many rap
concept albums exist? Quite a few, I would imagine. Some rap groups/artists
can't write a song unless it's chock full of meanings and concepts (Public
Enemy for one). And I'm pretty sure Pink Floyd can be connected (albeit very
indirectly) to PM Dawn through the sounds & effects used by them.
And as for the verbosity of rappers--Bob Dylan wrote lengthy, wordy prose
long before Rapper's Delight was put on wax.
Dead music? Maybe, but their influence continues. I'm sure that without
these bands, I would never have accepted rap as an art form.
>
> What social issues did the Beatles ever address ???
A) Listen carefully to "St. Pepper" and "the White Album" While social
issues are not directly issued, they are handled with a subtlety most rappers
would benefit from learning (IMHumbleO). George Harrison's output also takes
on spiritual topics; one area sorely missing from most rap (but then, rock
tended to ignore this area itself).
B) I don't remember Run DMC writing about social topics much before Back
From Hell. Does that mean they're not "True Rappers" (tm)?
C) Since when are groups SUPPOSED to address social issues? Not every
artist handles social issues; and some artists CAN'T handle social issues.
KRS-One takes on social issues like crazy. LL Cool J's topics are
securely amongst the stereotypical rap topics (I'm god, I a sex machine, etc.).
Does this mean KRS-One is a "Real Artist" whereas LL is "Dead?" "I Need Love"
is probably the most innovative rap song in existance [admittedly the direction
he took (i.e. I Need Love vols.2-7) proved a dead end; but other rappers have
taken the direction pointed by the song (softer sounds) to better effect].
I'm not saying "Don't listen to rap." I'm just saying don't be so ready
to bury the past as "Dead and useless"
> MILDRED/SHITSU
kamchatka charlie
KAM...@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Tim P McNerney
GO AWAY !!!!
If we all continue listenig to DEAD music ...
ie Pink Floyd,BEETLES...where will we go...
Stay in your DEAD musically impotent word..
What social issues did the beattles ever address ???
and
Who the fuck do you think you are you Pink Floyd, Dead head, un-rthymic,
mother fucking hippy. If you want to live the past fine, but don't come
on this .net. and tell us your lame punk as opinions.
Lets talk about lyrics, Groups such as Public Enemy have lyrics that envoke
thought and social change...Pink Floyd's music are for burn outs who wish
live back in time and there lyrics make NO FUCKING SENSE.
Why is it necessary to reply to a RAP = SHIT post with a RAP != SHIT,
but your music is? I find this IS, IS NOT, IS, IS, IS NOT style of argument
a little less than constructive.
Face it, you (not everyone who posts, but a good number who do) are just demonstrating that you are as closeminded about other forms of music as ol' Guignol 1er,Neuchatel,Switzerland, it justso happens that it is a different
type of music.
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Hey Gunga,
Wake up to the 90's and smell the mocha. A lot of good music has been put out
in the last 30 YEARS! What the fuck do you know about "music?" Are you a
critic, a frustrated musician. Get a phat bowl o' Swiss Miss and check the
movement on your timepiece, dickroid. Nonpeace.
==DJ Phyz, and I wear Timex only.
Harry W Tatum
One question, why are you posting to this group? I think the truth is
primarily to start a flame war, which there is no need.
So step off!! GENIUS
I'm BAAAAAACCCCKKK........Bruddah Hal
Dr. Death
new, right?) Flame him, go right ahead. But at least don't stoop to his level
and insult him because of his taste in music. People must learn to be more op
en minded.....If everyone was openminded that A$$HOLE wouldn't have said anythi
ng because he would have respected us and our opinions on music!
Max D Garber
If you are going to dis RAP why don't you just stay at home and don't waste
anyone's time homey????
THE HYPEMAN
RUDEBOY
actually LIKE hip hop, Bohemian and political rap in particular.
Second, by dissin Pink Floyd, you are as guilty of stereotyping
music as the original poster/shmuck.
And finally, most of the good hip hop artists are into a wide
variety of music including hippie music. And if you think the Dead
are not rythmic, then you have never heard them.
Ganja Mon.
Curt Malouin
> B) I don't remember Run DMC writing about social topics much before Back
>From Hell. Does that mean they're not "True Rappers" (tm)?
Well, it's not your fault if you're not old enough to remember that their
first 12-inch was "It's Like That" and their second was "Hard Times,"
both concerning "social topics" (although "Hard Times" was a remake, so
they didn't write *all* of the lyrics). Another point of reference is
their part on Kurtis Blow's "8 Million Stories." "Wake Up," "You're
Blind," "Proud to Be Black," etc., not to mention "Sun City." I think
the titles are descriptive enough, posting the lyrics would be an
unnecessary waste of bandwidth.
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|Kamchatka Charlie writes:
|>B) I don't remember Run DMC writing about social topics much before Back
|>From Hell. Does that mean they're not "True Rappers" (tm)?
|Well, it's not your fault if you're not old enough to remember that their
|first 12-inch was "It's Like That" and their second was "Hard Times,"
|both concerning "social topics" (although "Hard Times" was a remake, so
|they didn't write *all* of the lyrics). Another point of reference is
|their part on Kurtis Blow's "8 Million Stories." "Wake Up," "You're
|Blind," "Proud to Be Black," etc., not to mention "Sun City." I think
|the titles are descriptive enough, posting the lyrics would be an
|unnecessary waste of bandwidth.
Hey! Don't forget "Wake Up"! I used to love that....
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Peace.
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-- Dan Quayle
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Actually it was not really Pink Floyd or The Beatles that influenced
rap music, it was punk music, mainly the Sex Pistols. While most rap
musicians would rather have their toungues ripped out of their heads
than admit they were influenced by white musicians it was punk that was
the first music of rageful social protest that boiled up out of the
streets, it was the first music done with an attitude also and a lot of
these rap bands deive much of their outlaw attitude from such as The Sex
Pistols and much of their social protest from such groups as The Clash
(When Public Enemy was being formed Chuck D. even said he wanted to form
a rap group with the social conscience of The Clash.)
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Money said a little earlier that his boy was just trippin'. He wnated to say
something controversial to stir us up. Just ignore him.
Peace to you> .db.
Dean Calloway
24-Apr-92 Re:BEATLES SUCK..FLOYD IS D.. Kamchatka Charlie@??? (3071)
>concept albums exist? Quite a few, I would imagine. Some rap groups/artists
>can't write a song unless it's chock full of meanings and concepts (Public
>Enemy for one). And I'm pretty sure Pink Floyd can be connected (albeit very
>indirectly) to PM Dawn through the sounds & effects used by them.
> And as for the verbosity of rappers--Bob Dylan wrote lengthy, wordy prose
>long before Rapper's Delight was put on wax.
> Dead music? Maybe, but their influence continues. I'm sure that without
>these bands, I would never have accepted rap as an art form.
>>
One of my boys who plays a club at home mixed "Us and Them" from Dark
Side of the Moon (Floyd) with some Tribe... have yet to hear anything
like it since...
DCAL
Jerry Chang
writes:
listen to it but no reason to dis it.
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Paul M Mweene
>
> Actually it was not really Pink Floyd or The Beatles that influenced
>rap music, it was punk music, mainly the Sex Pistols. While most rap
>musicians would rather have their toungues ripped out of their heads
>than admit they were influenced by white musicians
Those who ,can't create now want to expropriate. This man is ignorant and crazy.
Rap music is typical black protest music. I don't care wether you are talking
about African music (eg Fela ) or Reggea (redemption song - bmarley & the wai..) or any other music. Black music always addresses socio-economic issues. This
is true and has always been true. Some people might address the devil (hotel
california) or glorify drugs (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds-LSD) Black music
always addresses the issues.
Bands like the beatles could never have influenced a blackman because their mes
sage was / is irrelevant to the black experience. The ghetto music of Bob Marleyhow ever found fertile music in the inner cities of America because the protest
ations their in immediately rang familiarly to the experiences of the typical
American ghetto dweller. Furhter more a common ethnic origin immidiately
makes the music more palatable.
I fore one find absolutely no merit in rock/metal. The music is disoriented and
appeals to the disorinted. Observe the hair styles of punks and their needlessly
anti social antics.
Lastly this kind of music exhibits no artistic merit whta so ever. It defines
noise- and thats all
makala
.
Mike Hefelfinger
d. Saying that rock/metal is nothing bu noise is showing your close-mindedness
and that you are no better than he is. Grow up.
now on the rest of your article.....Word, what you said is so very true, rap ha
s/is and will forever deal with the socio-economical issues of the day wich mak
es it great music to listen to, as well as music for the intelligent!
P.S. This is NOT saying that rock/metal listeners are any less intelligent tha
n us.
Alex Jones
> I fore one find absolutely no merit in rock/metal. The music is disoriented
and
> appeals to the disorinted. Observe the hair styles of punks and their
needlessly
> anti social antics.
God I admire you. I have tried for years to figure out why the punk movement
never quite got through to me. You made it all so clear to me now; it was their
hairstyles and needlessly anti-social antics that made their music so bad and
unapealing. I (and I think everyone else who enjoys reading alt. rap) would
appreciate many more well thought out, intelligent comments such as this from
such articulate and knowledgable individuals as yourself. Again, thank you.
Cameron Murphy (not Alex Jones)
t...@crash.canon.co.uk
|...Black music always addresses socio-economic issues...
^^^^^^
``When my dick is hard, it's at least a yard'', the peak of socio-economicness.
Tx. [always=sometimes/often/is more likely to/... the choice is yours]
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