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Tweek

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Aug 19, 2003, 6:06:43 PM8/19/03
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well... just got one question: why half-a-dollar is such popular...? he's
got no flow, wack rhymes and he's just awful... is it all because eminem
shakes that ass on 50's videos, just like Sean P.-Pussy-Diddy did it on
Notorious/Mase-and-everyone-else's videos...?

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Jenna

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Aug 20, 2003, 5:54:26 AM8/20/03
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>well... just got one question: why half-a-dollar is such popular...? he's
>got no flow, wack rhymes and he's just awful... is it all because eminem
>shakes that ass on 50's videos, just like Sean P.-Pussy-Diddy did it on
>Notorious/Mase-and-everyone-else's videos...?

These posts never fail to amuse me...

On the topic of Mase, does anyone think that 50 sounds like him on 'How To
Rob'?


Skrabble

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Aug 20, 2003, 10:38:00 AM8/20/03
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not really, his voice is kinda lazy and dull but he ain't got the flow to
match.

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Pizon

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Aug 20, 2003, 8:18:51 PM8/20/03
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After he was shot, he sounds more like Mase.

Get at me,
Pizon
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Aug 21, 2003, 1:12:34 AM8/21/03
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> After he was shot, he sounds more like Mase.
>
> Get at me,
> Pizon

Whatever happened to Ma$e anyway? Is he still around?

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Jenna

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Aug 21, 2003, 8:52:01 AM8/21/03
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>Whatever happened to Ma$e anyway? Is he still around?

I hear he owns a carwash in Atlanta...Plus, he's a Pastor now, right?


Sir

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Aug 21, 2003, 12:13:33 PM8/21/03
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>Plus, he's a Pastor now, right?

A serious pastor. And he wrote a book.."There is Light After the Lime" I
believe..actually thought about copping it.

Sir..

Skrabble

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Aug 21, 2003, 12:36:50 PM8/21/03
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he was in my town on August 8th to do a speech for youth, free of charge, I
was gonna go but somehow managed to forget. I'm pretty upset about it.

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Aug 30, 2003, 8:02:54 PM8/30/03
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Ma$e sucks man, He had no flo and he went on to be a fuckin' preacher.
Nigga needs to rep da hood not da damn church. I did respect him until
he did dat shit. But his flo, shit man he's jus like all dem other
pop-rap fags(nelly,p.diddy,ja rule,jay-z,etc.) I mean come on, and ya'll
wanna hate on 50. Atleat 50 kept it gangsta like a nigga should. And Ja
Rule? come on, what kinda gangsta carry's a fuckin butter knife to stab
someone.
Peace ta 50-cent, keep holding it down nigga.
Crazy K 730 Verbalism

Jay-Dee

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Aug 30, 2003, 9:23:31 PM8/30/03
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Sir

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Aug 31, 2003, 2:20:24 AM8/31/03
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> I did respect him until
>he did dat shit.

Similar to how I might have respected you and your opinion unil you said "dat."
Honestly, your opinion on hip hoi is alreadedy jaded once you speak....so why
speak?

Sir...

Skrabble

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Aug 31, 2003, 2:41:06 AM8/31/03
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Are you sick? Mase had killa flo, and you're ignorant for tellin him to
front for the hood when his heart is for God, at least he ain't fake. BTW,
wasn't someone in G-Unit carryin a butter knife on that DVD of 50's?

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PainInDaAss82

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Aug 31, 2003, 3:30:23 AM8/31/03
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> Crazy K 730 Verbalism

i think i seen this as an artist name on that rap digital cable channel. forget
the name of the song though

"Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc

A to the L

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Aug 31, 2003, 6:20:33 AM8/31/03
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you're dope...

no, really...


PEACH

A to the L

"You can put wings on a pig, but that doesn't make it an eagle."

mattmatical

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Aug 31, 2003, 2:05:42 PM8/31/03
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:20:33 +0100, A to the L <al...@nildram.co.uk>
wrote:

The day A to the L tells me...

>you're dope...

>no, really...

...I know I done fucked up.


Matt
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you got to think to win" (Ice Cube)

Aspera

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Sep 1, 2003, 4:15:37 AM9/1/03
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50 sounds more gutter than ma$e did(southside queens gully voice vs
pussy pretty boy homo thug harlem voice)... BTW please post a Ma$e
verse tighter than 50's "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a
glass house/And if you have a glass jaw you should watch your
mouth"... pure ignant genius... You just don't like Curtis because he
isn't all polished and overproduced like those fake fantasy gangstas
like Nas and Biggie. With their over articulate storytelling and
unnecessary usage of analogies... Biggie doesn't have that much
material not because his fat ass is dead, but because he would waste
studio time re recording, re recording, and re recording his records
until his shit was perfect... Not saying that is bad, but the raw
effect gets diluted in the over production ....Nas fake fantasy land
gangsta ass should right a book or a movie script... He has a tight
imagination but he's fake and most of his records have ZERO realness
to them ... leave the rap game to the ignant and REAL niggaz...

"Niggaz love keepin it real... real dumb" -Chris Rock


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Skrabble

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Sep 1, 2003, 4:26:03 AM9/1/03
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> 50 sounds more gutter than ma$e did(southside queens gully voice vs
> pussy pretty boy homo thug harlem voice)... BTW please post a Ma$e
> verse tighter than 50's "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a
> glass house/And if you have a glass jaw you should watch your
> mouth"

That's a great line, but you said *verse*. PLEASE, don't pretend 50 is
lyrical, you'll be showin your ingnance.

> ... pure ignant genius... You just don't like Curtis

Ya'll are on 1st name basis? How sweet.

> because he
> isn't all polished and overproduced like those fake fantasy gangstas
> like Nas and Biggie. With their over articulate storytelling and
> unnecessary usage of analogies... Biggie doesn't have that much
> material not because his fat ass is dead, but because he would waste
> studio time re recording, re recording, and re recording his records
> until his shit was perfect... Not saying that is bad, but the raw
> effect gets diluted in the over production ....Nas fake fantasy land
> gangsta ass should right a book or a movie script... He has a tight
> imagination but he's fake and most of his records have ZERO realness
> to them ... leave the rap game to the ignant and REAL niggaz...

You realize you're talkin about people that have changed the face of hip hop
right? Jus ask your buddy curtis.

MF

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Sep 1, 2003, 4:51:35 AM9/1/03
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> 50 sounds more gutter than ma$e did(southside queens gully voice vs
> pussy pretty boy homo thug harlem voice)... BTW please post a Ma$e
> verse tighter than 50's "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a
> glass house/And if you have a glass jaw you should watch your
> mouth"... pure ignant genius... You just don't like Curtis because he
> isn't all polished and overproduced like those fake fantasy gangstas
> like Nas and Biggie. With their over articulate storytelling and
> unnecessary usage of analogies... Biggie doesn't have that much
> material not because his fat ass is dead, but because he would waste
> studio time re recording, re recording, and re recording his records
> until his shit was perfect... Not saying that is bad, but the raw
> effect gets diluted in the over production ....Nas fake fantasy land
> gangsta ass should right a book or a movie script... He has a tight
> imagination but he's fake and most of his records have ZERO realness
> to them ... leave the rap game to the ignant and REAL niggaz...

Usually it takes 3 to 4 weeks to really make sure a newbie is an idiot.
Congratulations, you've succeeded in one post.

MF

Jenna

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Sep 1, 2003, 5:26:24 AM9/1/03
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> 50 sounds more gutter than ma$e did(southside queens gully voice vs
> pussy pretty boy homo thug harlem voice)...

Yeah, 50 sounds gully as fuck on '21 Questions'...

>BTW please post a Ma$e
> verse tighter than 50's "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a
> glass house/And if you have a glass jaw you should watch your
> mouth"...

This is just one bar! A lot of emcees have a hot line here and there, but if
90% of their other shit isn't on-point; lyrically; it doesn't count for
anything.

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I won't become as dumb as some and succumb to scum
It's cumbersome, I'm trying to do well on this Earth
But it's been Hell on this Earth since I fell on this Earth"

~ Eminem (1996)


Tweek

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Sep 1, 2003, 7:49:25 AM9/1/03
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Sir w wiadomości 20030831022024...@mb-m29.aol.com napisau:

: Honestly, your opinion on hip hoi is alreadedy jaded once
: you speak....so why speak?

Er, Sir... What's "jaded"...?
I ain't knowin' that word... :)
TIA for explainig ;)

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PIMPcypher

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>Yeah, 50 sounds gully as fuck on '21 Questions'...
>

He actually does... And he does it while trying to make non lesbian women
panties wet with soft verses... Not with a fake cookie monster voice or a
pseudo emotional pit bull voice like ja, onyx or dmx...

>>BTW please post a Ma$e
>> verse tighter than 50's "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a
>> glass house/And if you have a glass jaw you should watch your
>> mouth"...
>
>This is just one bar! A lot of emcees have a hot line here and there, but if
>90% of their other shit isn't on-point; lyrically; it doesn't count for
>anything.
>

Your right... I should have posted more... but by all means please post a
hotter ma$e line.. You cant? That's because you can only remember the
instrumentals and hooks from his tracks... Probably because they where mostly
80s pop rip-offs... At least 50 is writing some original hooks and using mostly
original beats... By original I mean non copywritten because of course his
style is derivative of many past Emcees... And I don't only like a rapper for
their lyrical ability... Look at canibus.. Great imagination good flow... Zero
charisma or relatability... 50 has both of the latter and is decent albeit
flawed on the mic... I actually like the cat because he is un polished... "The
diamond in the dirt..." with bullet wounds and a grill like a mack truck...
Just another ignant nigga from around the way ascending to the stratosphere of
the music industry... I love that shit... And lyrically, well... I am of the
ilk who like hearing about bitches, guns, and blunts.. Get enough apathetic
introspective fantasy bullshit from other musical genres...

Skrabble

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Sep 3, 2003, 12:04:59 AM9/3/03
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> Your right... I should have posted more... but by all means please post a
> hotter ma$e line.. You cant?

Actually, yes I can. It's all too easy, how bout you pick a mase song that
doesn't have a hotter line. ;)

Sir

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Sep 3, 2003, 1:43:17 AM9/3/03
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>but by all means please post a
>hotter ma$e line..

You are quite mistaken. If you look at any Mase lyrics, they are EXACTLY the
same shit that 50 Cent spits. I mean, exactly. I'm not trying to defend or hate
on either one of them...but you can't hate on Mase lyrics, but go on and on
about how dope 50 verses are...they are without a doubt interchangeable.
Besides, did you forget that Mase used to run with Big L? Pre-puffy Mase verses
make 50 verses look like his mind and tongue were invaded by Missy Elliot....

[Mase] from "Niggaz Wanna Act"

Yo, you the type of cat in the building holdin' the cracks
Playin' some the niggas on the corner holdin' the gatts
Nigga come through, a nigga kill, never blow back
You the nigga never did but send in all the facts
Yo, I know niggas like you cuz I meet 'em all the time
And I greet 'em with the 9 if they ever keep what's mine
If I lose I get loc, put a fool in the yoke
Two to his throat, take his jewels and his coat
More than likely, you ain't got to like me
And this might be the last time I take you nicely
For my legion, fill up the season and start squeezin'
Niggas talkin' shit, be behind the cars weavin'
There's no breathin', ain't nobody in here leavin'
You kill my man, I kill your bitch, now we even
I'm from a cold world, where it's bleeding 20 degrees in
Fahrenheit, niggas get sniped for no reason
Do a lot of work, got plenty funds and many guns
Many sons, niggas do anything to anyone
And on the streets I don't doubt nuttin'
So when you talk to Mase better watch yo mouth son


Tell me that isn't EXACTLY what every 50 verse looks like...??


>At least 50 is writing some original hooks and using mostly
>original beats...

You think 50 writes his own hooks? Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously though, not in
a million years...it is no coincident that every 50 song has blown up,
primarily because of the choruses and you think he is the mastermind behind all
that? Never...I imagine that 50, Dre, and Em sit down and come up with them
together after hitting up Mad Skillz on the 2-way. And as for using mostly
original beats....you think he has any say in what beats he uses either? Hell
no, he uses the beats that Dre, Slim, Aftermath, and Shady record execs TELL
him to use. Seriously...get a grip...you act like 50 puts together all of his
songs and does any producing as far as the final product....

Sir...

A to the L

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:58:11 -0400 (EDT), hechic...@webtv.net
(SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee) said:

>ite lemme put it this way...u wanna hear "gully" "gangsta" shit?....put
>in a cannibus cd ...or download it....his vocab and street cred are both
>off the charts.....but now that he has enlisted in the armed
>services....his new album "Ripper the Jack" that dropped just recently
>will go un-promoted by the artist...But if u cop the Cd "2000 B.C.
>(before canibus)" his 2000 release which makes ne rapper look like a
>country singin hick....so after u hear that shit....thats when u can rep
>w/e u want...i liked 50 till he crossed over so much i thought iwas
>listenin tuh A.I. Git sumin thats reil gutter not no fake wannabe gutter
>like 50 is....~1~

Hi Canibus. How's the army treating you, man?

Agent Archangel

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sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote in message news:<20030903014317...@mb-m26.aol.com>...

> >At least 50 is writing some original hooks and using mostly
> >original beats...
>
> You think 50 writes his own hooks? Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously though, not in
> a million years...it is no coincident that every 50 song has blown up,
> primarily because of the choruses and you think he is the mastermind behind all
> that?

> 50, Dre, and Em sit down and come up with them
> together after hitting up Mad Skillz on the 2-way. And as for using mostly
> original beats....you think he has any say in what beats he uses either? Hell
> no, he uses the beats that Dre, Slim, Aftermath, and Shady record execs TELL
> him to use. Seriously...get a grip...you act like 50 puts together all of his
> songs and does any producing as far as the final product....
>
> Sir...

Damn, Greg, you should like write 50's unauthorized biography. I mean
you seem to be tight with him and know all his moves and what not.
But what you really need to make it sell, is a dope title, so why
don't you sit down with Pizon and Timid after hitting A to the L up on
the 2-way and see what you can come up with.

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"Don't be mad at me nigga, bein' a softy is not my style-- I'm
hardcore, and I've been hot for a while."
"Nigga frontin' like you wasn't runnin' when you heard I was comin'"
"Go 'head nigga, try that on me - ask my bitch for a blowjob"
"When I get on the mic and flow, niggas compare me to the best"
"Niggas who spit wack shit get they cat split, and I'm shreddin' they
fame"
"Why niggas so off guard, 'cause I'm takin' you cowards by storm"
"Causin' niggas to think fast, 'cause even my laugh is tape-able"
"Why don't you open your mouth, nigga, so I could take my foot out"
"I'm tired of you niggas talkin' shit, thinkin' I ain't got the
backin'"
-Mike "Pizon" Scala

mattmatical

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Sep 3, 2003, 7:00:07 AM9/3/03
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On 03 Sep 2003 05:43:17 GMT, sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote:

>>At least 50 is writing some original hooks and using mostly
>>original beats...
>
>You think 50 writes his own hooks? Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously though, not in
>a million years...it is no coincident that every 50 song has blown up,
>primarily because of the choruses and you think he is the mastermind behind all
>that? Never...I imagine that 50, Dre, and Em sit down and come up with them
>together after hitting up Mad Skillz on the 2-way.

Why should 50 not be able to write a hook? It's not rocket
science, is it? And anyway, too much consideration is given
to hooks. Choruses might be important if they're sung, but
I doubt that rapper's often clumsy hooks are really what gets
people hooked (pardon the pun) to a hip-hop track.

A to the L

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Sep 3, 2003, 10:09:45 AM9/3/03
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On 3 Sep 2003 03:22:45 -0700, wogh...@hotmail.com (Agent Archangel)
said:


>Damn, Greg, you should like write 50's unauthorized biography. I mean
>you seem to be tight with him and know all his moves and what not.
>But what you really need to make it sell, is a dope title, so why
>don't you sit down with Pizon and Timid after hitting A to the L up on
>the 2-way and see what you can come up with.


my entry is:

Man-U-Skipped: The Bibliography Of Missed Homo Erotic Opportunities

Sir

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Sep 3, 2003, 12:58:38 PM9/3/03
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>I mean
>you seem to be tight with him and know all his moves and what not.

Same with you when you talk about me. What's your fascination with me? That
picture of me naked floating on the web made it to your inbox?

The kid made broad assertions on the side of 50 being such an independent
artist totally responsilbe for his own success because he is just SOOO
different than any other gangsta rapper from the east coast, rather than a
ultra-catchy-hook-thug made by a corporation. So I made broad assertions on the
other side of the spectrum. I don't see you saying shit to him...unless you
are him?

Sir...

Sir

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Sep 3, 2003, 1:13:05 PM9/3/03
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>I doubt that rapper's often clumsy hooks are really what gets
>people hooked (pardon the pun) to a hip-hop track.

In the world of pop I would say without a doubt it is the ONLY thing that gets
people hooked in the beginning (it is no pun...after all it is called a HOOK).
Do you think the masses of pop culture listen to the words of the verses? "Go
shorty, its your birthday, we gon party like it's your birthday..." Of course
the beat played a part in it's success, but without that cheesy catchy
bullshit...that song would not have been sung by every 14 year old girl pushing
their baby strollers down the street.

I wasn't saying that 50 was incapable of writing a chorus. Or that his hooks
are even that great, that one could say there is no way he didn't write it.
What I am saying is...those few lines are what people will always associate
with the song when it is long forgotten and I think it's a little more
systematic than you make it out to be. Labels pick particular songs to be
singles because they have that "catchy chorus" that people will drive around
chanting...

Not everyone looks at hip hop they way a devout hip hop fan would.

Sir...

mattmatical

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Sep 3, 2003, 2:24:14 PM9/3/03
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On 03 Sep 2003 17:13:05 GMT, sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote:

>Not everyone looks at hip hop they way a devout hip hop fan would.

Yeah, I guess the importance of catchy hooks has been
proven since "U Can't Touch This" and "Ice Ice Baby".
Still, we have this 'culture' of examining lyrics in hip-hop,
of worshipping 'lyricists' which has developped since the
late 80s when people like Rakim, KRS, Slick Rick etc.
dominated the scene. The key role of the lyrics is still
one of rap music's main features. Pop/rock lyrics don't
get scrutinized that much by fans and critics alike. I
guess you can attribute it to the pop audience that makes
crossovers based on catchy hooks (or a cute face, or
playing the gangsta or the outsider, etc.) possible.

Sir

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Sep 3, 2003, 3:23:12 PM9/3/03
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>Still, we have this 'culture' of examining lyrics in hip-hop,
>of worshipping 'lyricists'

Of course we do. But I don't think this is the case with the majority of
records that reach the mainstream. My point was...teeny-bopper fans do not
examine hip hop lyrics to the extent of someone with more knowledge and love
for hip hop would. Like you said pop lyrics do not really get examined too
much...and to that I say, what do you think these rap acts making it big
nowadays are to the typical fan? They are exactly that...pop acts, here today
gone tomorrow type of shit. I think it's pretty obvious that the majority of
hip hop artists who have integrated into pop culture have not doneso based on
their lyrical ability...there is the exception though, but at the moment..where
is it?

Sir...

mattmatical

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On 03 Sep 2003 19:23:12 GMT, sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote:

>>Still, we have this 'culture' of examining lyrics in hip-hop,
>>of worshipping 'lyricists'
>
>Of course we do. But I don't think this is the case with the majority of
>records that reach the mainstream. My point was...teeny-bopper fans do not
>examine hip hop lyrics to the extent of someone with more knowledge and love
>for hip hop would. Like you said pop lyrics do not really get examined too
>much...and to that I say, what do you think these rap acts making it big
>nowadays are to the typical fan? They are exactly that...pop acts, here today
>gone tomorrow type of shit.

But if someone who's part of the pop crowd listens to hip-hop
over an extended period of time, he will sooner or later learn
about what's important in this particular artform. Don't forget
that the "I'm better than you" element is still strong in rap.
Artists with a large pop following were battling on record
not long ago (Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem). Chances are that
someone who listens to these acts will start to think
about what makes one rapper better than the other,
turning his/her attention to the lyrics and the delivery.

Of course like their pop darlings (rap and otherwise),
the pop audience changes quickly, so there will always
be a market for rappers with catchy hooks.
That's just how it is, I'm not particularly upset about
that, at least Jay-Z, Nas and Eminem all come very
close to our 'ideal' of a skillful rapper, no?

Sir

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Sep 3, 2003, 4:03:24 PM9/3/03
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>at least Jay-Z, Nas and Eminem all come very
>close to our 'ideal' of a skillful rapper, no?

Sure. I'm not even debating that mainstream artists have no skills. Just that
the lyrics and the way the words rhyme and flow together, are not the
particular interest point of the masses. Em is a totally different story...if
he would haven't resorted to shock-rap and the extremities in his lyrics, do
you think he would have blown up? I don't...had his first single been a
ridiculous wordplay joint about the government stealing our rights from
us...you think kids would be dying their hair blond and teenage girls
masturbating to his Seventeen magazine spread? No...it's the image...plus the
whole..."Hi..my name is, hi my name is, hi my name's slim shady".

Sir...but give nas his due for crossing over and staying dope lyrically

SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee

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A to the L

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:34:04 -0400 (EDT), hechic...@webtv.net
(SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee) said:

>ite...i wanna have a "50 supporter" post a verse tighter then this...
>
>this is canibus' #1 on "2000bc"
>
>ill battle u in the flesh //
>battle u on the net//
>battle u over the phone while i call u collect//
>while ur battilin //
>im travelin //
> faster then a javelin//
>stabbin u through the abdomen//
>its like when a head gits seperated from the human body wid a shap enuff
>weapon//
>100,00 mile warenty//
>metaphorically//
>i use a 100,000 flows to murder u lyrically//
>
>
>
>
>thats just a part..now who can find a 50 song thats doper?

fucking 21 questions is better than that piece of shit... Mr 'bus can
lick a fat one...

Sir

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>I have 50's cd...

Then your 4 previous paragraphs means jackshit.

Sir...

Sir

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>fucking 21 questions is better than that piece of shit...

That one kid...what was his name...that always put shit in parentheses
like..(go get em ma!)...THAT kid wrote iller lyrics than that. No disrespect to
Canibus...but you didn't pick a good verse AT ALL.

Sir...

PainInDaAss82

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Sep 3, 2003, 11:49:19 PM9/3/03
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>No disrespect to
>Canibus...but you didn't pick a good verse AT ALL.

it isnt even a verse...they're old canibus quotes at the same bpm of the track
on his lead off track, and he threw them on there before he started rapping his
real verse

"Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc

mattmatical

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:24:27 -0400 (EDT), hechic...@webtv.net
(SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee) wrote:

>Jay-Z...Nas...Biggie...Rakim...Slick Rick...Big Pun...Canibus....They
>all have sumthing that 50 doesnt have....And that is the lyrical ability
>to make the fans say ...."damn he didnt jus rhyme those 2 words together
>did he?".... The thing is....Jay-Z , Nas and biggie they all were
>reletively mainstream accepted.....Rakim...slick rick..big
>pun....Canibus... they all were not so accepted..

Come on now, Big Pun went platinum with his first
album, he definitely was accepted by the mainstream.
And Jay-Z, Biggie and Nas 'relatively mainstream-accepted'?
These are/were some of the music industry's biggest stars,
period. They're up there with Garth Brooks and Madonna.
I'd say they're completely mainstream-accepted.

Rakim and Slick Rick date back to the time when
crossovers to the pop audience weren't the norm.
At that time the rap audience was just beginning to
build, and a lot of folks (including me) got into hip-hop
without being exposed to it like say someone living in
the Bronx.
But to that developping hip-hop audience Rakim and
Slick Rick were two of the brightest stars. They just
never got or took the chance to cross over to the
masses.


>Big pun..in my opinion one of
>the most dynamic if not the most dynamic lyricist to ever grace the game
>was labeled a wannabe Biggie....

Nah... by who? I remeber when I first heard Pun
on some Fat Joe record, and with his fast flow
he was nothing like Biggie. Later on, he just
followed the formula to put out singles for
the ladies. A formula established by Tupac, BTW.


>Canibus.....He is just a wizard of wordplay....can make
>nething rhyme and make sense....he jus doesnt have the commercial
>apeal.....because his rhymes are about cutting u up and shooting u and
>such.....if they radio edited it...it would sound like shit....

Most rappers with commercial success are heavily
edited if they don't have an explicitly radio-friendly single
without any curses or gun/drugs references: Clipse, 50,
Nas, Fab...


>I beleive that if he was not under dre and and Em that he wouldnt be
>nearly as succesful as he is now.....

That is true.

mattmatical

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:34:04 -0400 (EDT), hechic...@webtv.net
(SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee) wrote:

>ite...i wanna have a "50 supporter" post a verse tighter then this...
>
>this is canibus' #1 on "2000bc"

It makes no sense comparing 50 to Canibus. Even if you
disregard the lyrical skills/content and just focus on the
music, it's clear that 50's shit just appeals to more people.
And lyrically, they're projecting completely different images.
50 is the smart hustler/tough guy, Canibus is the underdog
rhyming his ass off. Only a few have so far been able to
blend a hustler and a rapper persona successfully in my
opinion, and that's BIG, G Rap and Scarface.

SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee

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SSxH13 ..... Jay-Dee

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Dippi

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i dont mean to put muh nose where it probably dont bellong....BUT..



Jay-Z...Nas...Biggie...Rakim...Slick Rick...Big Pun...Canibus....They
all have sumthing that 50 doesnt have....And that is the lyrical ability
to make the fans say ...."damn he didnt jus rhyme those 2 words together
did he?".... The thing is....Jay-Z , Nas  and biggie they all were
reletively mainstream accepted
 
jay z makes me think damn he didn't rhyme those same 2 words again did he?

Aspera

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sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote in message news:<20030903014317...@mb-m26.aol.com>...

Pre-puffy Mase verses


> make 50 verses look like his mind and tongue were invaded by Missy Elliot....
>

I don't think Ma$e ever had the balls to write anything like "50
bars"... His fake homo thug ass would probobly get his ass jacked
rollin 125th if he tried to spit that street mob shit... I also think
50 would rip Mase in a freestyle... I have heard a Mase radio
freestyle back in 97 and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the shit
50 was spittin off the top on the early Stretch Armstrong and Whoo Kid
freestyles(And I'm not talking about the shit on "Guess who's
back"...) They may have shared the same type of lyrical content at
times, but 50 is simply more gutter, authentic, and has a better
delivery/pressence in the studio... Although he came up with a nice
little fantasy nursery rhyme here and there Mase sounded slow and
retarded most of the time...


> >At least 50 is writing some original hooks and using mostly
> >original beats...
>
> You think 50 writes his own hooks? Hahahahahahahahaha. Seriously though, not in
> a million years...


I have listened to enough 50 that I can tell when it is him or shah
money that comes up with the hook and when it is Dre or Em... "rap
game" hook sounds like it was written by Em and "P.I.M.P" and
"Realest Niggaz" sounds so much like early 50 so I would think that
Curtis came up with it... I may be wrong... I still think 50 is better
than Mase...

PainInDaAss82

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both 50 and mase are fucking wack...


but on the real...when mase was murder mase and he was spitting with big L and
children of the corn, he would shit on 50 ANY fucking day.


"I need bricks so thick, you need to cut em with machetes" -murda mase

Sir

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Sep 5, 2003, 1:49:34 PM9/5/03
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>aight....yea i have 50's cd's..big deal?....i got em because everybody
>said "this is the next big thing and blah blah blah"....so i went and
>copped em

You my friend are a fucking idiot. How can you talk shit about 50 for 4
paragraphs...and then go...but yeah I got all his cd's? And Chris Rock is not a
legitimate media source...it's called comedy, bitch. David Banner and
Bonecrusher have gone overlooked??? WTF...and at that, they've gone overlooked
because of 50 and Eminem??? Someone should seriously take a big dump on your
chest....

Sir...

Sir

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Sep 5, 2003, 1:56:28 PM9/5/03
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50 is the 2nd coming of Mase...so how do you figure? I think you're caught up
in the version of Mase that Puffy created....not him as a rapper, or
artist...or anything prior to the shiny suit era.

Sir...muhfuckas gotta get paid right?

mattmatical

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Sep 5, 2003, 2:14:50 PM9/5/03
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On 05 Sep 2003 17:56:28 GMT, sirh...@aol.comet (Sir) wrote:

>50 is the 2nd coming of Mase...so how do you figure? I think you're caught up
>in the version of Mase that Puffy created....not him as a rapper, or
>artist...or anything prior to the shiny suit era.

I always thought Loon was the second coming of Mase?

(Bad Boy Mase, not Murda Mase, to be specific.)

Jenna

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>I don't think Ma$e ever had the balls to write anything like "50
>bars"... His fake homo thug ass would probobly get his ass jacked
>rollin 125th if he tried to spit that street mob shit...

You're living fantasies...

Anyway, have you heard Mase's C.O.C shit?

===
"I'm using smarter tactics to overcome this slum
I won't become as dumb as some and succumb to scum
It's cumbersome, I'm trying to do well on this Earth
But it's been Hell on this Earth since I fell on this Earth"

~ Eminem (1996)


Aspera

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>
> but on the real...when mase was murder mase and he was spitting with big L and
> children of the corn, he would shit on 50 ANY fucking day.
>
>

I think he was called Mase Murda or some shit like that when he was
with bloodshed and Cam... Anyways... I don't think he had enough
material with COC to be judged against 50... And the small parts he
had where obviously lines from a hungry nigga who wanted to shine...
Lets judge Mase's first shit in a trio agains't 50's "Power of the
Dollar"...


>
>
> "I need bricks so thick, you need to cut em with machetes" -murda mase
>
>
>


Thats obviously fantasy land bullshit... No real drug dealer would
waste product by cutting with thick toothed blades... Mase stopped
rapping about drug dealing because it wasn't who he really was... He
is a fake homo thug from harlem... Now if only Cam would realize the
same thing...


>
> "Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
> Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc

Another fake fantasy land rapper.. 50 is tight because he is authentic
and keeps it real and ignant... thats how gangsta rap is supposed to
be... I don't expect nerd backpackers to like 50 because he doesn't
use a lot of cutesy complex word play... Or isn't all depressing and
introspective...

PainInDaAss82

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Sep 6, 2003, 12:50:42 AM9/6/03
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>Another fake fantasy land rapper.. 50 is tight because he is authentic
>and keeps it real and ignant... thats how gangsta rap is supposed to
>be... I don't expect nerd backpackers to like 50 because he doesn't
>use a lot of cutesy complex word play... Or isn't all depressing and
>introspective...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

lol, you're pretty much an idiot

"50 is tight cause he keeps it real and ignant!!!!!"

lol, what a idiotic thing to say

50 is pretty wack dude.

mattmatical

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Sep 6, 2003, 5:26:35 PM9/6/03
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On 5 Sep 2003 21:39:51 -0700, PimpC...@aol.com (Aspera) wrote:

>> "Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
>> Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc
>
>Another fake fantasy land rapper.. 50 is tight because he is authentic
>and keeps it real and ignant... thats how gangsta rap is supposed to
>be... I don't expect nerd backpackers to like 50 because he doesn't
>use a lot of cutesy complex word play... Or isn't all depressing and
>introspective...

I just realized you don't have really that much options
who to listen to... Who else keeps it real and ignant like
50, in your opinion?

And while you're at it, define ignorant. Cause I don't
quite see how 50 fits the description.

PainInDaAss82

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>I just realized you don't have really that much options
>who to listen to... Who else keeps it real and ignant like
>50, in your opinion?

this is true...dude sounds like 50 is his favorite rapper.

i wonder if he knows 50 dropped tracks with mobb deep.

dude gets all his props and gets called real cause he got popped 9 times.

nevermind the fact 50 rolls with bitches. a white, blonde haired girl named
eminem comes to mind.

DJF

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Sep 6, 2003, 9:45:52 PM9/6/03
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> dude gets all his props and gets called real cause he got popped 9 times.

true. but he deserves some props though. he got some nice shit...just went
commercial (for the money i assume).

you dont like any of his shit? past or present?

> nevermind the fact 50 rolls with bitches. a white, blonde haired girl
named
> eminem comes to mind.

haha. nicely said.


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DMD

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>> dude gets all his props and gets called real cause he got popped 9 times.
>
>true. but he deserves some props though. he got some nice shit...just went
>commercial (for the money i assume).
>
>you dont like any of his shit? past or present?
>

i like quite a few of his old material. he has a more recent track from after
he got shot called fuck you produced by primo thats nice. he got a track with
nas and nature thats raw. he came raw on the "Bump That" remix with havoc and
big noyd.


My dope is two toned
but I had to change my spot cause it turned into a drug free school zone-'Kiss

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