Why Eminem has become a popstar
slimchopra
as an MC shows how he has evolved into a mainstream pop artist. When he
first break into the mainstream Interscope was taking a big risk with him
(white rappers didn't have a very good reputation so far and Dre's last
album was a failure) so they did not do much to pump up his advertising. Em
had to be original and have tight rhymes to show his skill. And with The
Slim Shady LP he delivered. The album was original, had tons of humor,
great lyrics, and some of the best story telling since Slick Rick. After
that though he became more of a pop star. With the MMLP some of the songs
were tight, I'm Back, Criminal, Who Knew, Kill You, but the bad ones
outweighed them, Remember Me? Kim, Amityville. The fact is that The MMLP
did not have the lyrical intensity, flow, or delivery of the SSLP. But
Interscope did not care because they realized that they could cash in on Em.
They started turning him into a packaged artist. For example, look at his
album covers, The SSLP is more like a piece of art than a picture and barely
shows him. The MMLP and Em Show both him front and center with the big
EMINEM plastered on the cover just like any Backstreet album. Also look at
the Without Me video and look at hoy many times the Eminem logo flashes by.
The fact is that he sold out. Look at MTV, they are without a doubt a
pop company. And yet Eminem does nothing but give them support by
mentioning them over and over again. The more he mentions MTV and Nysnc and
all of them the more those names stand out in Fan's heads whether he is
dissing them or not. He allows himself to become inextricably linked to
them when is supposedly trying to distance himself from them. Please. Look
at the way he releases his singles, its is just as formulaic as Nsync or
Backstreet. Eminem is simply afraid to diss MTV because they get him more
record sales, look at how much editing My Name Is needed? Compare that with
Without Me. He is censoring himself so as not to offend them. After all,
he has so much commercial clout that he could have gotten Purple Hills
played if he really wanted it. He just didn't want to piss off MTV. The
more he evolved the more he loses what made him original: flow, character,
and delivery. Just compare Low, Down, Dirty with Say What You say and tell
me that he is improving. It doesn't take a rap expert to tell that his
rhymes are becoming less interesting or funny, and that's what made him
original in the first place. If Em wants to be a popstar then fine, as long
as his music doesn't get worse. I find it funny that so many ppl criticize
Nelly for doing a song with Nsync and not EM for singing on Hailey's Song.
I mean Nelly is at least still rapping.
SIR
>outweighed them, Remember Me?
"When I go out, I'm a go out shootin/ I don't mean when I die, I mean when I go
out to the club, stupid."
Sir...
SIR
He is? The fuck? I thought he was doing the "cross-over R&B songs that happen
to rhyme and are at a faster pace so that it sounds like rapping" thing.
Sir...
slimchopra
"SIR" <sirh...@aol.comet> wrote in message
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I dont see ur point here. What are you saying??
slimchopra
"SIR" <sirh...@aol.comet> wrote in message
Fuck whatever its called. The point that i was trying to make is that
eminem fans criticize Nelly for collaborating with Nsync, but never say
anything bad when Eminem sings.
SIR
smart guy who knows exactly what the fuck he is doing. He can be a dope emcee
whenever the hell he wants, but he can only be a pop star for so long...so fuck
it, mil it for what it;' worth, have fun, make silly music, and at the same
time laugh at how easy it is to satisfy the pop culture.
I figure each Eminem album is going to keep declining standard-wise (and I mean
throughout the rest of his career...whatever he does...4 more albums?)...with,
of course, a few gems that he throws on for people who want to hear hip hop.
Then he will just drift away...only to return 2 years later , a la moves by
older school rappers returning to the current scene to show they still got
skills. Only Em will probably drop one of the iller albums of all time when it
goes down.
Sir..or is it sirstradamus?
Holy Child
> Yea eminem is pop and here is why.
I'd say he's a rapper that gets a lot of pop love, but I guess that's the
same thing. ;)
> the Without Me video and look at hoy many times the Eminem logo flashes
by.
actually, he flashes the logo in theme with the song if you think about it.
The theme is comic books, and he flashes his symbol in the sky like batman.
> look at how much editing My Name Is needed? Compare that with
> Without Me. He is censoring himself so as not to offend them. After all,
> he has so much commercial clout that he could have gotten Purple Hills
> played if he really wanted it. He just didn't want to piss off MTV.
or he got tired of paying to have it censored. then again maybe not!
HC - not an eminem fan, but I do respect 'em
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slimchopra
it.
> The theme is comic books, and he flashes his symbol in the sky like
batman.
>
actually thats not what im talking about at all. Just before they flash to
the hospital scene, a black logo with EM flashes by. Also there is the
boucny E behind him in that grey area. They have nothing to do with the
video's theme. Plus there is the album covers too.
slimchopra
"SIR" <sirh...@aol.comet> wrote in message
> I say somethign bad when Eminem sings. But the way I see it Eminem is a
pretty
> smart guy who knows exactly what the fuck he is doing. He can be a dope
emcee
> whenever the hell he wants, but he can only be a pop star for so long...so
fuck
> it, mil it for what it;' worth, have fun, make silly music, and at the
same
> time laugh at how easy it is to satisfy the pop culture.
>
trying to distnace himself from popstars. And how does he do it? With
Making the video specials. Yea keep marketing urself that way, but dont
pretend like ur still a tight MC.
> I figure each Eminem album is going to keep declining standard-wise (and I
mean
> throughout the rest of his career...whatever he does...4 more
albums?)...with,
> of course, a few gems that he throws on for people who want to hear hip
hop.
> Then he will just drift away...only to return 2 years later , a la moves
by
> older school rappers returning to the current scene to show they still got
> skills. Only Em will probably drop one of the iller albums of all time
when it
> goes down.
>
He has said numerous times that Em show wil be his last. After that there
is Dre's next album which he may not be on since its supposed to be some
kind of conecpt album, and then the d12 album. So as for his next 4 albums,
well sorry there wont be 4 more.
Adrunk
MC."
I don't know quite when you think he was a "tight emcee". Given that on
most of his work from pre-Slim Shady times, he was a very average emcee.
Ad......
SIR
>pretend like ur still a tight MC.
So the way one markets themselves produces a magic auru that drains them of
lyrical ability? Hmm, odd concept...
>So as for his next 4 albums,
>well sorry there wont be 4 more.
Oooohhhhh, thanks Mrs. Cleo! And to think, I got all that info for free!
Sir...
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Let's see...first album...pop hit. Second album...pop hit. Hmmmm. Who came
up with this dumb-ass subject line? Eminem has always been a popstar.
Unless you were at Rap Olympics, I guess.
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spinsane the asciist
cuz he will have a fond place in my mind from when i went on a cruise with
my girl, and she slept, and i went to the boats "club" and danced with
sluts to that song.
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spinsane the asciist
there's frankly no reason to even buy his albums. so its a moot point.
On 8 May 2002, SIR wrote:
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> there is so much better to listen to them em, and there always has
been,
> there's frankly no reason to even buy his albums. so its a moot point.
>
Moot means 'open to debate'.
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Holy Child
not so fast sir....wait til you get your isp bill.
HC
Adrunk
up with this dumb-ass subject line? Eminem has always been a popstar.
Even when he released his flop album Infinite in 1997 to little or no
commercial success? Get the facts right before you unleash your deadpan
sarcasm please.
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You're the pop rap fan, not me.
A to the L
said:
>So, Eminem
>created his own commercial "pop-hop" sound and style...not Interscope.
Word - smart move financially... long term career wise? We'll have to
see...
>For me, the issue isn't whether or not Eminem is a sell-out. It seems
>rather clear that when he was struggling to make a name for himself,
>he very carefully maintained a more pure hip-hop sound. But now that
>he has blown up, he has taken the liberty to forego the root hip-hop
>sound and replace it with more pop stylizations.
Once again - its nice to see someone on the same page. Now if only we
could get this AIM thing to work on the SAME day...
>In my book, the bigger issue is hypocrisy. It's hypocritical to bash
>homosexuals then perform a duet with one. And, it's hypocritical to
>bash other pop and pseudo-pop acts then create songs to directly
>appeal to the same pop market.
Exactly.
PEACH
A to the L
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slimchopra
> While there is always some level of control from any record label,
> Interscope happens to be extremely diverse and thereby very "artist
> friendly." While they may tweak lyrics here-and-there, for the most
> part they give their artists great creative freedom. So, Eminem
> created his own commercial "pop-hop" sound and style...not Interscope.
>
> In my book, the bigger issue is hypocrisy. It's hypocritical to bash
> homosexuals then perform a duet with one. And, it's hypocritical to
> bash other pop and pseudo-pop acts then create songs to directly
> appeal to the same pop market.
>
> J.
That's what i was saying. He markets this "pop" rap but says that he's
improving as an MC. I have nothing wrong with him being on TRL or whatever,
i just dont want his music to keep degenerating. Oh and he did the Grammy
performance to show that he didn't gate gays. A lot of it is the media that
instigates it. At first he admits that he said it with a sissy connotation,
and not necesarily homosexual. Since it became under so much attention from
GLAAD an whoever, he just starting bashing them because he knew they would
hate it.
SIR
>a more gentle and calm "."
>
NO, man...you can never be too hostile...I just said you were getting a bit
wacked out like some kinda alt.rap Nutty Professor and I liked it.
Sir...