Lou Velasquez "Fired or Disciplined" by "Toyota of Torrance" according to "Col. Bill Kilgore"
Frank Etch
one "Lou Velasquez" was disciplined for fired from his job at an auto
dealership.
" Lou Velasquez who works (or did work) at a car dealership in
Torrance,
California. He was either fired or disciplined there for using the
company
computers to post his drivel to Usenet several years back.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/f0a5552c8d8a2585?hl=en&
and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" naming just
what auto dealership that was.
“Your responding to a moron in California named Lou Velasquez who
works for
Toyota of Torrance as a lube & oil specialist.”
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/07a519895de59675?hl=en&
Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" claiming to have
spoken to Lou Velasquez's boss "Lyle Howes":
"We had a great conversation
with Lyle Howes the other day. He is VERY interested in a particular
party
who may have abused their internet priveledges on company time.
They're
checking their servers as we speak. He'll be in touch.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/5d127b41e265e905?hl=en&
Here is the applicable law under which Lou Velasquez can sue proven
fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" for harrassment, should he
chose, which would make a public record of a harasser who's identity
could then be provided to his local VFW chapter.
http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/california.shtml
(a lawyer will be able to easily guide you through the process of
issuing a subpoena to Kilgore's ISP and Proxy Service Provider to
derive his true identity)
Oh yeah, and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore
threatening to visit Lou Velasquez's place of business.
“Keep watchin' the door at the dealership. You never know who might
drop in.”
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/4c833d1ed3f6fedb?hl=en&
and if the obvious cowardice of proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill
Kilgore" should make it hard to establish the presence of "fear" there
is always this.
Proven Fraud and Disgrace has been stating repeatedly (even after the
allegation was proven false) that Lou Velasquez is the poster who goes
by the name Tomaxo. He has also (equally as falsely) claimed that
Tomaxo is not an actual military vet. This allegation of frauduelent
military claims (such an issue of personal terror for "Col Bill
Kilgore) could easily result in a mis-led veteran (courtesy of proven
fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore") exacting some form of
vigelanty punishment of Lou Velasquez, should Lou Velasquez prove not
to be an actual veteran, and reader of "Col. Bill Kilgore's" posts
were to believe he was Tomaxo (who is a military veteran, who, unlike
proven fraud and disgrace Col. Bill Kilgore can name actual medals
earned without fear of prosecution under the stolen valor act).
One also need only read through some of proven fraud and disgrace
"Col. Bill Kilgore's posts to realize what a cowardly racist he is.
Franklin Etch: Rooting Out Fraud and Disgrace In The Land Of The Free
Tomaxo
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" announcing that
> one "Lou Velasquez" was disciplined for fired from his job at an auto
> dealership.
>
> " Lou Velasquez who works (or did work) at a car dealership in
> Torrance,
> California. He was either fired or disciplined there for using the
> company
> computers to post his drivel to Usenet several years back.
>
>
> and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" naming just
> what auto dealership that was.
>
> “Your responding to a moron in California named Lou Velasquez who
> works for
> Toyota of Torrance as a lube & oil specialist.”
>
>
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" claiming to have
> spoken to Lou Velasquez's boss "Lyle Howes":
>
> "We had a great conversation
> with Lyle Howes the other day. He is VERY interested in a particular
> party
> who may have abused their internet priveledges on company time.
> They're
> checking their servers as we speak. He'll be in touch.
>
>
> Here is the applicable law under which Lou Velasquez can sue proven
> fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" for harrassment, should he
> chose, which would make a public record of a harasser who's identity
> could then be provided to his local VFW chapter.
>
> http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/california.shtml
>
> (a lawyer will be able to easily guide you through the process of
> issuing a subpoena to Kilgore's ISP and Proxy Service Provider to
> derive his true identity)
>
> Oh yeah, and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore
> threatening to visit Lou Velasquez's place of business.
>
> “Keep watchin' the door at the dealership. You never know who might
> drop in.”
>
>
> and if the obvious cowardice of proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill
> Kilgore" should make it hard to establish the presence of "fear" there
> is always this.
>
> Proven Fraud and Disgrace has been stating repeatedly (even after the
> allegation was proven false) that Lou Velasquez is the poster who goes
> by the name Tomaxo. He has also (equally as falsely) claimed that
> Tomaxo is not an actual military vet. This allegation of frauduelent
> military claims (such an issue of personal terror for "Col Bill
> Kilgore) could easily result in a mis-led veteran (courtesy of proven
> fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore") exacting some form of
> vigelanty punishment of Lou Velasquez, should Lou Velasquez prove not
> to be an actual veteran, and reader of "Col. Bill Kilgore's" posts
> were to believe he was Tomaxo (who is a military veteran, who, unlike
> proven fraud and disgrace Col. Bill Kilgore can name actual medals
> earned without fear of prosecution under the stolen valor act).
>
> One also need only read through some of proven fraud and disgrace
> "Col. Bill Kilgore's posts to realize what a cowardly racist he is.
>
> Franklin Etch: Rooting Out Fraud and Disgrace In The Land Of The Free
Judging by the furious pace at which Timothy S. Watson sock
"UsenetRanger" has began posting, it looks like this got his attention.
COL. BILL KILGORE
"Tomaxo" <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9bc935dc-bcb9-4719...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
There are probably many reasons why a moron like yourself did not go to law
school. However, the most glaring would most likely be your complete
inability to read and properly interpret a statute and/or ordinance. The
law you cite here is not a criminal statute; it is a "tort" law (civil) -
which basically means there are no criminal penalties involved and it would
not be an action investigated by any law enforcement agency. Further, the
statute is very clear in how it defines the circumstances and requirements
necessary for this tort action to come into play, the most notable of which
is that it does not cover "constitutionally protected actions" (i.e.
opinions, assumptions, suggestions, etc etc etc - all protected by the 1st
Amendment). Additionally, for a prospective plantiff to even invoke this
tort action, the prospective plaintiff must first "formally contact" the
alleged respondent and request that the alleged respondent "cease and
desist" from all actions that the prospective plaintiff deems in violation
of this law. BTW, a Usenet posting would not qualify as a "formal notice".
So, with all that being said, we anxiously await a formal letter from Lou
(you) delivered by registered mail to our home address (which you claim is
somewhere in Indiana but you're not quite sure). Oh, while we're on the
subject, using your warped and childish logic, there is a certain Dr.
William E. Kilgore, a physician residing in Florida, who may have an
actionable tort case against you, based on the way you invoked his name,
disclosed his place of residence, named his relatives and business
associates, and made numerous references to him via your idiotic newsgroup
rants. And in his case, he knows EXACTLY where to send the registered
letter to, if he so desires.
ChasNemo
>
> - Show quoted text -
He and his lawyer relative are already well aware of your presence, o
proven fraud and disgrace Col. Bill Kilgore. Keep talking, fool.
Frank Etch
<snip>
>The
> law you cite here is not a criminal statute; it is a "tort" law (civil) -
> which basically means there are no criminal penalties involved and it would
> not be an action investigated by any law enforcement agency.
Your sheer terror is showing Timothy S. Watson sock "Col Bill
Kilgore". Who ever suggested anything other than a civil case was
necessary to obtain the subpoena to identify the pupetrator of the
rather obvious case of harrassment this represents, should Lou decide
to pursue it.
>Further, the
> statute is very clear in how it defines the circumstances and requirements
> necessary for this tort action to come into play, the most notable of which
> is that it does not cover "constitutionally protected actions"
All of which were clearly met, including the prior notification (he he
he...in your terror you so hopefully cling to the delusion that you
might convince Lou that usenet is somehow out of the scope of law,
despite the fact numerous very highly public cases have proven
otherwise). There are numerous posts in which you were informed of
this law and of Lou's right to go unharassed. Tomaxo even stated
clearly that his nym was designed specifically for the purpose of
avoiding the intrusion of kooks like you into his personal life, yet,
while clearly still believing (incorrectly) that Tomaxo was Lou, you
continued.
Lou has you by the balls Timothy Bore, which is clearly why you wrote
this post in hopes of misleading him into thinking he doesn't own your
ass.
(i.e.
> opinions, assumptions, suggestions, etc etc etc - all protected by the 1st
> Amendment).
An individuals place of employment, employment history (real or
fabricated), and manager's name are not "opinions, suggestions, etc.,
etc." they are statements presented as fact, by you, for the exclusive
purpose of harassment and slander.
The fact you have a rather easily documentable prior history (which
Lou can derive through as simple search on Scott C. Smith, for
example) would be easily enough to make a "civil" lawyer take the case
on the grounds of how simple it would be to succeed with.
>Additionally, for a prospective plantiff to even invoke this
> tort action, the prospective plaintiff must first "formally contact" the
> alleged respondent and request that the alleged respondent "cease and
> desist" from all actions that the prospective plaintiff deems in violation
> of this law. BTW, a Usenet posting would not qualify as a "formal notice".
> So, with all that being said, we anxiously await a formal letter from Lou
> (you) delivered by registered mail to our home address (which you claim is
> somewhere in Indiana but you're not quite sure). Oh, while we're on the
> subject, using your warped and childish logic, there is a certain Dr.
> William E. Kilgore, a physician residing in Florida, who may have an
> actionable tort case against you, based on the way you invoked his name,
> disclosed his place of residence, named his relatives and business
> associates, and made numerous references to him via your idiotic newsgroup
> rants. And in his case, he knows EXACTLY where to send the registered
> letter to, if he so desires.
That Kilgore's lawyer said otherwise Timothy S. Watson sock "Col Bill
Kilgore.
>- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
Tomaxo
....
> He and his lawyer relative are already well aware of your presence, o
> proven fraud and disgrace Col. Bill Kilgore. Keep talking, fool.
Appreciation for pointing out the risk involved with a usenet Kook
pretending to be a "Col. Bill Kilgore" of Southwest Florida with a
"five-figure monthly pension", which could be mistakenly interpreted
to be him, is the sentiment I recall.
BTW: Timothy-Bore appears to have made a short life of his
"Nemoismysock" e-mail address (created after exposure of his topset72
sock put him over the edge). That, and his recent inability to
structure a sentence identifying Lou by full name as Tomaxo.
Is two-dimentional intellect has left him transparent and he still
thinks he can fabricate his way out of it.
SrRojo
Will Timmy talk about all those medals he received while in the
Military?
Frank Etch
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/f0a5552c8d8a2585?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/07a519895de59675?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/5d127b41e265e905?hl=en&
http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/california.shtml
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/4c833d1ed3f6fedb?hl=en&
Let's again reflect of proven fraud and disgrace Col. Bill Kilgore's
earlier discussion on this matter, in which, in panicked desperation
he tries to insert the belief that a very obviously easy case could
not be had at his expense.
(when Frank had been so generous with the narrow distribution)
queue dancing Kilbore music....
>The
> law you cite here is not a criminal statute; it is a "tort" law (civil) -
> which basically means there are no criminal penalties involved and it would
> not be an action investigated by any law enforcement agency.
Your sheer terror is showing Timothy S. Watson sock "Col Bill
Kilgore". Who ever suggested anything other than a civil case was
necessary to obtain the subpoena to identify the pupetrator of the
rather obvious case of harrassment this represents, should Lou decide
to pursue it.
>Further, the
> statute is very clear in how it defines the circumstances and requirements
> necessary for this tort action to come into play, the most notable of which
> is that it does not cover "constitutionally protected actions"
All of which were clearly met, including the prior notification (he
he
he...in your terror you so hopefully cling to the delusion that you
might convince Lou that usenet is somehow out of the scope of law,
despite the fact numerous very highly public cases have proven
otherwise). There are numerous posts in which you were informed of
this law and of Lou's right to go unharassed. Tomaxo even stated
clearly that his nym was designed specifically for the purpose of
avoiding the intrusion of kooks like you into his personal life, yet,
while clearly still believing (incorrectly) that Tomaxo was Lou, you
continued.
Lou has you by the balls Timothy Bore, which is clearly why you wrote
this post in hopes of misleading him into thinking he doesn't own
your
ass.
(i.e.
> opinions, assumptions, suggestions, etc etc etc - all protected by the 1st
> Amendment).
An individuals place of employment, employment history (real or
fabricated), and manager's name are not "opinions, suggestions, etc.,
etc." they are statements presented as fact, by you, for the
exclusive
purpose of harassment and slander.
The fact you have a rather easily documentable prior history (which
Lou can derive through as simple search on Scott C. Smith, for
example) would be easily enough to make a "civil" lawyer take the
case
on the grounds of how simple it would be to succeed with.
>Additionally, for a prospective plantiff to even invoke this
> tort action, the prospective plaintiff must first "formally contact" the
> alleged respondent and request that the alleged respondent "cease and
> desist" from all actions that the prospective plaintiff deems in violation
> of this law. BTW, a Usenet posting would not qualify as a "formal notice".
> So, with all that being said, we anxiously await a formal letter from Lou
> (you) delivered by registered mail to our home address (which you claim is
> somewhere in Indiana but you're not quite sure). Oh, while we're on the
> subject, using your warped and childish logic, there is a certain Dr.
> William E. Kilgore, a physician residing in Florida, who may have an
> actionable tort case against you, based on the way you invoked his name,
> disclosed his place of residence, named his relatives and business
> associates, and made numerous references to him via your idiotic newsgroup
> rants. And in his case, he knows EXACTLY where to send the registered
Tomaxo
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" announcing that
> one "Lou Velasquez" was disciplined for fired from his job at an auto
> dealership.
>
> " Lou Velasquez who works (or did work) at a car dealership in
> Torrance,
> California. He was either fired or disciplined there for using the
> company
> computers to post his drivel to Usenet several years back.
>
>
> and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" naming just
> what auto dealership that was.
>
> “Your responding to a moron in California named Lou Velasquez who
> works for
> Toyota of Torrance as a lube & oil specialist.”
>
>
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" claiming to have
> spoken to Lou Velasquez's boss "Lyle Howes":
>
> "We had a great conversation
> with Lyle Howes the other day. He is VERY interested in a particular
> party
> who may have abused their internet priveledges on company time.
> They're
> checking their servers as we speak. He'll be in touch.
>
>
> Here is the applicable law under which Lou Velasquez can sue proven
> fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" for harrassment, should he
> chose, which would make a public record of a harasser who's identity
> could then be provided to his local VFW chapter.
>
> http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/california.shtml
>
> (a lawyer will be able to easily guide you through the process of
> issuing a subpoena to Kilgore's ISP and Proxy Service Provider to
> derive his true identity)
>
> Oh yeah, and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore
> threatening to visit Lou Velasquez's place of business.
>
> “Keep watchin' the door at the dealership. You never know who might
> drop in.”
>
Kilbore's blunder with his topset sock sure was funny. Almost as much
so as was the leelanau sock, that served to make obvious the fact he
was a Timothy S. Watson sock.
Frank Etch
> >Tomaxois not an actual military vet. This allegation of frauduelent
> > military claims (such an issue of personal terror for "Col Bill
> > Kilgore) could easily result in a mis-led veteran (courtesy of proven
> > fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore") exacting some form of
> > vigelanty punishment of Lou Velasquez, should Lou Velasquez prove not
> > to be an actual veteran, and reader of "Col. Bill Kilgore's" posts
> > clearly that his nym was designed specifically for the purpose of
> > avoiding the intrusion of kooks like you into his personal life, yet,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wow...looky...#4 on Google search and climbing
PSE SCAN 19
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" announcing that
> dealership.
>
> "LouVelasquezwho works (or did work) at a car dealership in
> Torrance,
> California. He was either fired or disciplined there for using the
> company
> computers to post his drivel to Usenet several years back.
>
>
> and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" naming just
> what auto dealership that was.
>
> “Your responding to a moron in California namedLouVelasquezwho
> works for
> Toyota of Torrance as a lube & oil specialist.”
>
>
> Here's proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" claiming to have
>
> "We had a great conversation
> with Lyle Howes the other day. He is VERY interested in a particular
> party
> who may have abused their internet priveledges on company time.
> They're
> checking their servers as we speak. He'll be in touch.
>
>
> Here is the applicable law under whichLouVelasquezcan sue proven
> fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore" for harrassment, should he
> chose, which would make a public record of a harasser who's identity
> could then be provided to his local VFW chapter.
>
> http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/california.shtml
>
> (a lawyer will be able to easily guide you through the process of
> issuing a subpoena to Kilgore's ISP and Proxy Service Provider to
> derive his true identity)
>
> Oh yeah, and here is proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore
>
> “Keep watchin' the door at the dealership. You never know who might
> drop in.”
>
>
> and if the obvious cowardice of proven fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill
> Kilgore" should make it hard to establish the presence of "fear"
> there
> is always this.
>
> Proven Fraud and Disgrace has been stating repeatedly (even after the
> goes
> by the name Tomaxo. He has also (equally as falsely) claimed that
> Tomaxo is not an actual military vet. This allegation of frauduelent
> military claims (such an issue of personal terror for "Col Bill
> Kilgore) could easily result in a mis-led veteran (courtesy of proven
> fraud and disgrace "Col. Bill Kilgore") exacting some form of
> despite the fact numerous very highly public cases have proven
> otherwise). There are numerous posts in which you were informed of
> clearly that his nym was designed specifically for the purpose of
> avoiding the intrusion of kooks like you into his personal life, yet,
> while clearly still believing (incorrectly) that Tomaxo wasLou, you
> continued.
>
> this post in hopes of misleading him into thinking he doesn't own
> your
> ass.
>
> (i.e.
>
> > opinions, assumptions, suggestions, etc etc etc - all protected by the 1st
> > Amendment).
>
> An individuals place of employment, employment history (real or
> fabricated), and manager's name are not "opinions, suggestions, etc.,
> etc." they are statements presented as fact, by you, for the
> exclusive
> purpose of harassment and slander.
>
> example) would be easily enough to make a "civil" lawyer take the
> case
> on the grounds of how simple it would be to succeed with.
>
> >Additionally, for a prospective plantiff to even invoke this
> > tort action, the prospective plaintiff must first "formally contact" the
> > alleged respondent and request that the alleged respondent "cease and
> > desist" from all actions that the prospective plaintiff deems in violation
> > of this law. BTW, a Usenet posting would not qualify as a "formal notice".
> > So, with all that being said, we anxiously await a formal letter fromLou
> > (you) delivered by registered mail to our home address (which you claim is
> > somewhere in Indiana but you're not quite sure). Oh, while we're on the
> > subject, using your warped and childish logic, there is a certain Dr.
> > William E. Kilgore, a physician residing in Florida, who may have an
> > actionable tort case against you, based on the way you invoked his name,
> > disclosed his place of residence, named his relatives and business
> > associates, and made numerous references to him via your idiotic newsgroup
> > rants. And in his case, he knows EXACTLY where to send the registered
> > letter to, if he so desires.
>
> That Kilgore's lawyer said otherwise Timothy S. Watson sock "Col Bill
> Kilgore.
I've noticed this seems to have fallen out of the top 3 in Google
searches