High Fidelity
Lal...@yahoo.com
Just finished reading a book called High Fidelity about a man in his
mid-thirties who owns a record shop in London. Like most record geeks the man
is obsessive to the point of compulsive - can tell you anything about any
record but is incapable to commiting to anything outside of music and records:
be it friendship, career, personal relationships. But as he's growing older
and his life is becomning increasingly pathetic he starts realizing that he
isn't even following music/records as closely as he once did - although his
entire life is based around compiling Top 5 lists for every single aspect of
his existence.
Gads.....
Think I maybe related a bit too much....
Also just read James Elroy's "The Big Nowhere". Blechy Blechy Blechy. Great
read - grrrrrrossssss....
Just bringing some literary quality to your lives.
Lali
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zabet
lalibunnie wrote:
>> Just finished reading a book called High Fidelity about a man in his
>> mid-thirties who owns a record shop in London. Like most record geeks
>> the man is obsessive to the point of compulsive - can tell you anything
>> about any record but is incapable to commiting to anything outside of
darn- you beat me to it lali. i was gonna start a thread about what books
we're all reading right now. i quite enjoyed _high fidelity_ when i read
it.. definitely related to the obsessive music & music-shop stuff. reading
it was like watching an episode of 90210-- i knew it was silly but liked
it anyway. and it was an easy read.
>> Also just read James Elroy's "The Big Nowhere". Blechy Blechy Blechy. Great
>> read - grrrrrrossssss....
>> Just bringing some literary quality to your lives.
i'm reading carson mccullers _the heart is a lonely hunter_ presently.
it's the first thing i've read since the hefty book on the political
upheavals in nicaragua (mostly focusing on the sandanistas & contras).
soundtrack to this post: the germs.
oh yes, & half a bottle of red wine.
whee! friday night, no work finally!
--zaboo
--
"I wish I was as cool as Tom Jones." -TEX
Hester
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 Lal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just finished reading a book called High Fidelity about a man in his
> mid-thirties who owns a record shop in London. Like most record geeks the man
> is obsessive to the point of compulsive - can tell you anything about any
> record but is incapable to commiting to anything outside of music and records:
> be it friendship, career, personal relationships. But as he's growing older
> and his life is becomning increasingly pathetic he starts realizing that he
> isn't even following music/records as closely as he once did - although his
> entire life is based around compiling Top 5 lists for every single aspect of
> his existence.
>
> Gads.....
>
> Think I maybe related a bit too much....
Errr, I read this book some years ago and came away with mixed
feelings: for one, the idea that Nick Hornby must be of a different
generation than me. Yeah. How else can one justify an obsession with
really really bad music like that? Good lord. If you liked this, read
"Lost in music" by Giles Smith. You'll like it.
I hated both.
Yeah, the overall sentiment (having too many records and caring too much
about them) is familiar, but really, his justifications for his horrors
aren't good enough. I know many men got caught up in total rubbish like
[insert any band from 'High Fidelity' here] and still refuse to atone for
their crimes. It's a guy thing to have that bad of a taste in nusic
without apologies, I tell you. High Fidelity is very much a guy's book. An
apologia for all men. Like, we know we're awful, just please don't hate us
for it.
Dunno 'bout that. Not good enough, aa far as I'm concerned.
Men just tend to be swayed by arguments that don't really have anything
to do with the issue at hand. They have such a short attention-span.
Well. I'm as music-obsessed as can be (heaven knows Lali knows that),
more than any man I've ever known, but it's not 1970s buttrock, so it's
not being taken seriously. Thank goodness.
I be listening to girl-groups for the rest of the night, thank you.
The Ronettes still rule.
(Mayhap some Quadrajets afterwards, but that is not the point.)
> Also just read James Elroy's "The Big Nowhere". Blechy Blechy Blechy. Great
> read - grrrrrrossssss....
>
> Just bringing some literary quality to your lives.
Wheee. Have you read Mezz Mezzrow's autobiography "Really the blues"?
It's been re-issued last year or the year before; recently anyway. Lord
that book rules. Best r&b (auto)biography I know of. So much better than
Billie Holiday's (sadly, really boring and at least 90% fiction), and
better than anyone who likes to say they know about to r&b could ever tell
you. Read.
Hester
--
"Desidero ergo sum"
-- Rosi Braidotti
Nraeha45
From: Hester <hes...@xs2.xs4all.nl>
Date: Fri, Mar 13, 1998 5:47 PM
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 Lal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just finished reading a book called High Fidelity about a man in his
> mid-thirties who owns a record shop in London. Like most record geeks the man
> is obsessive to the point of compulsive - can tell you anything about any
> record but is incapable to commiting to anything outside of music and
records:
> be it friendship, career, personal relationships. But as he's growing older
> and his life is becomning increasingly pathetic he starts realizing that he
> isn't even following music/records as closely as he once did - although his
> entire life is based around compiling Top 5 lists for every single aspect of
> his existence.
>
> Gads.....
>
> Think I maybe related a bit too much....
:Errr, I read this book some years ago and came away with mixed
:feelings: for one, the idea that Nick Hornby must be of a different
:generation than me. Yeah. How else can one justify an obsession with
:really really bad music like that? Good lord. If you liked this, read
:"Lost in music" by Giles Smith. You'll like it.
Well I can't say that I LIKED the book per se - I liked bits of the bool like
the chapter which started out with -to paraphrase - "So what's so wrong with
wanting to spend time at home with your record collection?" HAHAHAHAHA! But I
do agree that for the mostpartthe characters taste in music was utter crap.
:Yeah, the overall sentiment (having too many records and caring too much
:about them) is familiar, but really, his justifications for his horrors
:aren't good enough. I know many men got caught up in total rubbish like
:[insert any band from 'High Fidelity' here] and still refuse to atone for
:their crimes. It's a guy thing to have that bad of a taste in nusic
:without apologies, I tell you. High Fidelity is very much a guy's book. An
:apologia for all men. Like, we know we're awful, just please don't hate us
:for it.
Well I think the thingthat bothered me - among many - was this attitude that
it's women's fault that men are sexual louts. Blaming women for the low-grade
quality of sex because teenage girls didn't wish to get felt up byteenage boys
- was inane. But I suspect that's probably how a lot of men feel. But truth be
told I felt that the women he was involved with were as - I dunno - weak
willed and namby pamby as Hornsby.
:Men just tend to be swayed by arguments that don't really have anything
:to do with the issue at hand. They have such a short attention-span.
I think that last sentence may be a bit of a gross generalization - sure plenty
of men have the attention span of six year olds, but then again, so do I.
>I be listening to girl-groups for the rest of the night, thank you.
I just guest dj'd Scott's Garage Show Saturday night and played all-girl
garage/punk/new wave - I'm sure you've heard it allbut I could send you a tape
if you like....
:(Mayhap some Quadrajets afterwards, but that is not the point.)
No, butthey do rock one's behind tho' don't they?
E-mail me and tellme what's going on with yourself, please.
Lali
D. Troy Cochrane
zabet wrote:
> darn- you beat me to it lali. i was gonna start a thread about what books
> we're all reading right now.
> soundtrack to this post: the germs.
> oh yes, & half a bottle of red wine.
Well, since the topic came up. . .
I just finished "Still Life With Woodpecker" by Tom Robbins. . .
amazing, as is par of the course with Robbins. The worst part about
this is that I'm now finished every novel Tom Robbins has written. I
feel so hollow now.
I'm currently reading a Raymond Carver book of short stories. I've read
two so far. . . Yawn. I read books to escape, I don't want to escape to
someone elses mundane existance, my own sucks enough as it is. I'll
probably finish it though.
I'm also reading "Introducing Race and Gender into Economics." It's
pretty interesting if you have any knowledge and interest about
economics. I'm reading for a class though, so I'm kind of cheating.
The soundtrack to this post: caP'n Jazz "Analphabetapolothology" Disk
One
No wine, but I do have cotton mouth.
Troy
Simon XXX
D. Troy Cochrane <dtc...@mail.usask.ca> wrote in article
<350AA4C1...@mail.usask.ca>...
> I just finished "Still Life With Woodpecker" by Tom Robbins. . .
> amazing, as is par of the course with Robbins. The worst part about
> this is that I'm now finished every novel Tom Robbins has written. I
> feel so hollow now.
I couldn't finish "Still life...". It just didn't grab me at all.
> I'm currently reading a Raymond Carver book of short stories. I've read
> two so far. . . Yawn. I read books to escape, I don't want to escape to
> someone elses mundane existance, my own sucks enough as it is. I'll
> probably finish it though.
I recommend John Cheever for American short stories. Mundane in setting &
mood, but profound & rich in content.
> I'm also reading "Introducing Race and Gender into Economics." It's
> pretty interesting if you have any knowledge and interest about
> economics. I'm reading for a class though, so I'm kind of cheating.
And I'm immersed in "Warrior rule in Japan", "The Onin war", several
Japanese histories, "Evaluating federal systems", Why federations fail",
"Federalism & the new world order" & "Comparative federalism & federation".
It's been FAR too long since I read a book for pleasure.
> The soundtrack to this post: caP'n Jazz "Analphabetapolothology" Disk
> One
A mixed tape of Jap hardcore.
> No wine, but I do have cotton mouth.
I drank some Coke earlier. Whoopdeedoo.
Simon XXX
Jesse Staniforth
"Simon XXX" (bast...@interlog.com) writes:
>> I just finished "Still Life With Woodpecker" by Tom Robbins. . .
>> amazing, as is par of the course with Robbins. The worst part about
>> this is that I'm now finished every novel Tom Robbins has written. I
>> feel so hollow now.
>
> I couldn't finish "Still life...". It just didn't grab me at all.
Really? That's my all-time favourite novel. I've read it like a dozen times.
Maybe it's a redhead thing...
--
"it's time to fly the finger, yeah,
that middle digit brings your point and it drives it home."
- SUPERSUCKERS
*BE REALISTS. DEMAND THE IMPOSSIBLE.* {Remember Chicago * 1968-1998}
Fyodor Karamazov
`
I read Anne Tyler's "Breathing Lessons" last week. I liked it. Right
now I'm working on Jim Thompson's "The Killer Inside Me" in fits and
starts.
Fyodor
--
"Why does Fred Flintstone keep ordering the ribs when he *knows* the
car is going to tip over?!" --Cactus Jack
Want to email me? Oh yes you do. I'm at dter...@students.wisc.edu
D. Troy Cochrane
Simon XXX wrote:
> I couldn't finish "Still life...". It just didn't grab me at all.
I couldn't put it down. Robbins perspective on life is refreshing and
original. I love it.
> > I'm currently reading a Raymond Carver book of short stories. I've read
> > two so far. . . Yawn. I read books to escape, I don't want to escape to
> > someone elses mundane existance, my own sucks enough as it is. I'll
> > probably finish it though.
>
> I recommend John Cheever for American short stories. Mundane in setting &
> mood, but profound & rich in content.
I'll check it out.
> > I'm also reading "Introducing Race and Gender into Economics." It's
> > pretty interesting if you have any knowledge and interest about
> > economics. I'm reading for a class though, so I'm kind of cheating.
>
> And I'm immersed in "Warrior rule in Japan", "The Onin war", several
> Japanese histories, "Evaluating federal systems", Why federations fail",
> "Federalism & the new world order" & "Comparative federalism & federation".
> It's been FAR too long since I read a book for pleasure.
I can't go too long without reading a book for pleasure. Right now I'm
sort of skimming through "Bhagavad Gita: As It Is." It's partially for
school, partially for pleasure.
> > The soundtrack to this post: caP'n Jazz "Analphabetapolothology" Disk
> > One
>
> A mixed tape of Jap hardcore.
How appropriate. . .
> > No wine, but I do have cotton mouth.
>
> I snorted some Coke earlier. Whoopdeedoo.
Wow, that's a hell of a way to end the edge.
> Simon OOO
Troy
D. Troy Cochrane
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
> Really? That's my all-time favourite novel. I've read it like a dozen times.
>
> Maybe it's a redhead thing...
It's good, but not as good as Skinny Legs and All. That book rocks my
world. I also prefer Another Roadside Attraction.
Troy
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> `
> I read Anne Tyler's "Breathing Lessons" last week. I liked it. Right
> now I'm working on Jim Thompson's "The Killer Inside Me" in fits and
> starts.
I just bought a stack of thompson books... they're usually pretty
expensive, but I found 7 at a local bookstore for $5 a copy in great
shape, so I spent some of the money I would normally have been eating with
on it. Which is why I'm sitting here now, hungry, wondering if I should
eat some more pretzels.
BOBGOBLIN
Has anyone here read anything by Thomas Pynchon? They've been
recommended to me numerous times, and I thought I would give them a try.
Any suggestions of which I should read first? V, Gravity's Rainbow,
Vineland, Mason & Dixon, or The Crying of Lot 49?
--
- el señor lyons
- BOBGOBLIN EXTRAORDINAIRE
Jesse #1
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, D. Troy Cochrane wrote:
> I can't go too long without reading a book for pleasure. Right now I'm
> sort of skimming through "Bhagavad Gita: As It Is." It's partially for
> school, partially for pleasure.
Why on earth are you reading the Krishna evangelistic edition for school?
Thats totally wierd! I mean, its a good translation, and it has stuff
that the other translations dont, like the original sanskrit, and
transliterations, but I would think you'd use a more scholarly one for a
class. (What class)
--
Jesse #1
The Derisives/Speakeasy Swingers
"Unity is bullshit. Why should I unite with someone just because they
like the same music as me? People come up to me all the time thinking
they can be my friend because of what t-shirt I'm wearing or because they
see my tattoos and I'm like "Wait, a minute. Fuck you. You're as stupid
and fucked as everyone else around here."
Fuck unity. I dont know you and I don't want to know you."
--The Blutonian Karl Groves
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>
> Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> > `
> > I read Anne Tyler's "Breathing Lessons" last week. I liked it. Right
> > now I'm working on Jim Thompson's "The Killer Inside Me" in fits and
> > starts.
>
> I just bought a stack of thompson books... they're usually pretty
> expensive, but I found 7 at a local bookstore for $5 a copy in great
> shape,
Are you joking? The EXACT SAME THING happened to me not 2 weeks ago,
no bullshit!!! I found "TKIM", "After Dark My Sweet", "Pop. 1280", and
"The Grifters", $5 each, all used but good as new in those boss Black
Lizard editions!!! Like yourself, I also blew all my cash on 'em, which
was a shame since there was also lots of cheap, in-nice-condition Black
Lizard James M Cain, Raymond Chandler, Dashiall Hammett, etc. that I had
to leave there. Which ones did you get? Ever read anything by JT?
Jesse Staniforth
BOBGOBLIN (rly...@bigfoot.com.YEAH.YOU) writes:
> Has anyone here read anything by Thomas Pynchon? They've been
> recommended to me numerous times, and I thought I would give them a try.
> Any suggestions of which I should read first? V, Gravity's Rainbow,
> Vineland, Mason & Dixon, or The Crying of Lot 49?
Crying OF Lot 49 is one of the best books EVER written. Start with that. I
tried to move from that to Gravity's Rainbow, but that was a bit weird.
It's like Ulysses by Joyce... it takes a hell of a lot of attention to
know what the fuck's going on. But so amazingly written. Same with Mason
And Dixon, I hear. I haven't got it yet, since I think it's still
available only in Hardback. I'm presently working on V, which is pretty
good, but I've been sidetracked by my recent Jim Thompson overload. I hear
Vineland is the worst of Pynchon's. Haven't read it yet. ...actually, some
have said it's pretty good. I don't know.
Start with Lot 49, and then move upto V, then Gravity's Rainbow.
You need to be able to concentrate on enjoying the reading, though. If
yoiur'e under a lot of stress, or especially iuf you have to do a lot of
other reading, I woulnd't suggest the last two. They're amazing, but I'm
going to wait until I can really enjoy them instead of having to fit them
in between all my fucking school reading.
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>> I just bought a stack of thompson books... they're usually pretty
>> expensive, but I found 7 at a local bookstore for $5 a copy in great
>> shape,
>
> Are you joking? The EXACT SAME THING happened to me not 2 weeks ago,
> no bullshit!!! I found "TKIM", "After Dark My Sweet", "Pop. 1280", and
> "The Grifters", $5 each, all used but good as new in those boss Black
> Lizard editions!!! Like yourself, I also blew all my cash on 'em, which
> was a shame since there was also lots of cheap, in-nice-condition Black
> Lizard James M Cain, Raymond Chandler, Dashiall Hammett, etc. that I had
> to leave there. Which ones did you get? Ever read anything by JT?
I'd read TKIM, Pop. 1280, Texas by the Tail and A Swell Looking Babe (my
favourite) before I got the other stack... The ones I got were Wild Town,
The Alcoholics, The Criminal, Heed the Thunder, The Transgressors, Nothing
More Than Murder and Cropper's Cabin...All Vintage/Black Lizard edutions.
(I have a couple of Cains, Hammetts and Chandlers (same editions) from a
course on Pulp Fiction and Film Noir that I took last semester. OOh yeah.)
I'm very excited. I'm going to start on Wild Town tonight. I've spent the last
week reading 18th Century british lit.... it's been excruciating. I read so
fucking much.... anyway, I had my test today, so I can go back to reading
good stuff.
Actually, I just bought the Brothers Karamazov a little while back, but
like my Pynchon stuff, decided to leave it at least until skool's over for
the year so that I can really enjoy it. You can't dig good literature when
you have to worry about assignments and reading and shit.
Susan Glover
vineland is my favorite- the others are a lot less accessible, and
vineland is fucking funny. i have a number of good quotes from it......
-sprout
of course i can't find my quote book ro my copy of vineland right now, so
it wont be qouted today. how about: "i was wondering why there was no milk
in my coffee and now i realize it's because i didn't put any in." ursula
BOBGOBLIN (rly...@bigfoot.com.YEAH.YOU) wrote:
> Has anyone here read anything by Thomas Pynchon? They've been
> recommended to me numerous times, and I thought I would give them a try.
> Any suggestions of which I should read first? V, Gravity's Rainbow,
> Vineland, Mason & Dixon, or The Crying of Lot 49?
Susan Glover
Jesse Staniforth (av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> on it. Which is why I'm sitting here now, hungry, wondering if I should
> eat some more pretzels.
try 'em with milk. that fills you up real fast. and serious, buy the
crappy spaghetti- there is always a good reason for starch.
-sprout, ghetto eater extraordinaire (i used to eat lettuce and sprout
sandwiches- i grew the sprouts myself. i was like the martha
stewart of impoverished students.)
BOBGOBLIN
That crazy bastard, Jesse Staniforth {av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA} shat
this upon my desktop:
-->
--> BOBGOBLIN (rly...@bigfoot.com.YEAH.YOU) writes:
--> > Has anyone here read anything by Thomas Pynchon? They've been
--> > recommended to me numerous times, and I thought I would give them a try.
--> > Any suggestions of which I should read first? V, Gravity's Rainbow,
--> > Vineland, Mason & Dixon, or The Crying of Lot 49?
-->
--> Crying OF Lot 49 is one of the best books EVER written. Start with that. I
--> tried to move from that to Gravity's Rainbow, but that was a bit weird.
--> It's like Ulysses by Joyce... it takes a hell of a lot of attention to
--> know what the fuck's going on. But so amazingly written. Same with Mason
--> And Dixon, I hear. I haven't got it yet, since I think it's still
--> available only in Hardback. I'm presently working on V, which is pretty
--> good, but I've been sidetracked by my recent Jim Thompson overload. I hear
--> Vineland is the worst of Pynchon's. Haven't read it yet. ...actually, some
--> have said it's pretty good. I don't know.
--> Start with Lot 49, and then move upto V, then Gravity's Rainbow.
--> You need to be able to concentrate on enjoying the reading, though. If
--> yoiur'e under a lot of stress, or especially iuf you have to do a lot of
--> other reading, I woulnd't suggest the last two. They're amazing, but I'm
--> going to wait until I can really enjoy them instead of having to fit them
--> in between all my fucking school reading.
-->
-->
I intend to read Lot 49 first since I have so much other reading to do,
and it is the shortest. Someone on one of the Pynchon newsgroups told me
to read Gravity's Rainbow before V to get a better sense of where some of
the characters in V come from. Another suggested I read them both at the
same time! I'd also like to read Mason & Dixon before this semester's
up: I'm taking a European history course, 1603+, and, according to its
inner cover, M&D deals with the darker side of the enlightenment along
their way to divide Maryland and Pennsylvania. But like you said, it's
still only available in hardback. I guess I need to make a trip to the
public library.
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
> [RE: the great Jim Thompson]
>
> I'd read TKIM, Pop. 1280, Texas by the Tail and A Swell Looking Babe (my
> favourite) before I got the other stack... The ones I got were Wild Town,
> The Alcoholics, The Criminal, Heed the Thunder, The Transgressors, Nothing
> More Than Murder and Cropper's Cabin...All Vintage/Black Lizard edutions.
> (I have a couple of Cains, Hammetts and Chandlers (same editions) from a
> course on Pulp Fiction and Film Noir that I took last semester. OOh yeah.)
SUH-*WEET*!!! Good god a-mighty, man, where the hell do you go to
school?!?
As for Cain, Chandler, etc: Wow, thank heavens for Black Lizard, eh? I
normally can only get so excited over particular editions, but some of
the covers on those things are *nice*, particularly the Chandler and
Hammett books. Never actually read anything by Chandler yet, and I've
only gotten through SERENADE by Cain (although THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS
TWICE is on my summer reading list) (as is AFTER DARK, MY SWEET) and THE
MALTESE FALCON by Hammett, so my *roman noir* creds are not as great as
I'd like 'em to be. Any of these names mean anything to you: Chester
Himes, Charles Williford, Jon Jackson...?
> I'm very excited. I'm going to start on Wild Town tonight. I've spent the last
> week reading 18th Century british lit.... it's been excruciating. I read so
> fucking much.... anyway, I had my test today, so I can go back to reading
> good stuff.
WILD TOWN is my fave Thompson book. Man, oh man, are you in for a
treat. I read it this summer, and my copy's at home, so: have I just
gone THE KILLER INSIDE ME-crazy, or is the sheriff in WT named Lou
Ford? And, if so, is it the same Lou Ford? What's the deal, here? Oh,
I've still got 1/3 of TKIM to go, so don't give anything away.
In other Jim Thompson news: I was wearing my JT t-shit today, and got
tomato sauce all over it, so now I'm really pissed. This happened to my
William S Burroughs shirt a few months ago - that's what I get for
wearing white t-shirts with authors' likenessess on 'em. Although, if
you look at it just right, it does kinda look like the Thompson's face
is spattered with o-positive, which is more or less appropriate, so
maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
>
> Actually, I just bought the Brothers Karamazov a little while back, but
> like my Pynchon stuff, decided to leave it at least until skool's over for
> the year so that I can really enjoy it. You can't dig good literature when
> you have to worry about assignments and reading and shit.
I got THE BROTHERS a few years ago, read half of it, went to college,
learned Russian (after a fashion), and am now looking forward to the day
when I will read that book po-russki. Same thing happened with Pynchon,
kinda: I got through half of V before my summer ran out and I had to go
back to school; as you well know (I assume), it's kind of tough to read
a Pynchon book and do any school work (or anything else, for that
matter), so I suppose I'm gonna have to read the thing at some point in
the future.
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> SUH-*WEET*!!! Good god a-mighty, man, where the hell do you go to
> school?!?
McGill in montreal. It wasn't as sweet as it seems... it
waspretentious cultural studies bullshit. We spent half the term reading
these awful essays on how all the main characters of the books and films
were the manifestations of the authors' repreessed homosexualities...
yadda yadda yadda. But the reading was coolio.
> As for Cain, Chandler, etc: Wow, thank heavens for Black Lizard, eh? I
> normally can only get so excited over particular editions, but some of
> the covers on those things are *nice*, particularly the Chandler and
> Hammett books. Never actually read anything by Chandler yet, and I've
Yeah, I know... Chandler's great. We did The Big Sleep and
Farewell My Lovely (I love this book), and actually managed to discuss a
few points of merit amid the sea of bullshit.
> only gotten through SERENADE by Cain (although THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS
> TWICE is on my summer reading list) (as is AFTER DARK, MY SWEET) and THE
> MALTESE FALCON by Hammett, so my *roman noir* creds are not as great as
I haven't read that much either. I read 3/4 of Postman for the
class, and didn't get around to Double Indemni8ty... maybe I'll read it
this summer. Cain's a VERY easy read. I found Postman to be just too
simplistic for my tastes. A little like Scarface by Armitage Trail... I
read the first 20 pages and gave up. Too dorky.
> I'd like 'em to be. Any of these names mean anything to you: Chester
> Himes, Charles Williford, Jon Jackson...?
Don't know 'em, unfortunately, but I've taken down the names and
started looking.
> WILD TOWN is my fave Thompson book. Man, oh man, are you in for a
> treat. I read it this summer, and my copy's at home, so: have I just
> gone THE KILLER INSIDE ME-crazy, or is the sheriff in WT named Lou
> Ford? And, if so, is it the same Lou Ford? What's the deal, here? Oh,
I'll have to check. I haven't started it yet. I'm about to go to
bed, so I'll know shortly, as I figure I'll see if I can crack the first
few chapters before sleep.
> I've still got 1/3 of TKIM to go, so don't give anything away.
She's a guy.
> In other Jim Thompson news: I was wearing my JT t-shit today, and got
> tomato sauce all over it, so now I'm really pissed. This happened to my
> William S Burroughs shirt a few months ago - that's what I get for
> wearing white t-shirts with authors' likenessess on 'em. Although, if
> you look at it just right, it does kinda look like the Thompson's face
> is spattered with o-positive, which is more or less appropriate, so
> maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
I don't have ANY author t-shirts, so consider yourself lucky to
have tomato-stained ones. Where did you get a Thompson T-shirt?
> I got THE BROTHERS a few years ago, read half of it, went to college,
> learned Russian (after a fashion), and am now looking forward to the day
> when I will read that book po-russki. Same thing happened with Pynchon,
> kinda: I got through half of V before my summer ran out and I had to go
> back to school; as you well know (I assume), it's kind of tough to read
> a Pynchon book and do any school work (or anything else, for that
> matter), so I suppose I'm gonna have to read the thing at some point in
> the future.
I started Gravity this summer, while working... I was miserable with my
whole station in life and I just couldn't enjoy the damn thing or
concentrate, so I'm going to wait until I'm on a nice long vacation. Same
with the Brothers K. I've been told by a very reliable source that it
contains all the knowledge any person will ever need, so I want to take my
time with it...
--
"If every fourth animal in the world is an eel,
perhaps every fourth person is a DUMB FUCK."
- NoMeansNo
Bob G. Oblin
--> with the Brothers K. I've been told by a very reliable source that it
--> contains all the knowledge any person will ever need, so I want to take my
--> time with it...
-->
I haven't gotten around the the Brothers K. but I do have the new
translation of the Possessed re-titled Demons. I keep getting
sidetracked when I start to read it and have never gotten past the first
100 or so pages.
I also have the Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov. It's an
amazing story but not addictive. I've never sat down and just read it.
It holds my interest as long as I'm reading it but after I put it down, I
forget about it. Satan hears that the communist Russians do not believe
in God, and is totally amazed. So he, a naked witch, and a giant,
talking black cat go to Moscow to see this for themselves.
Oh, and Mason & Dixon is 800 pages, so I don't think I'll be able to
knock it out this semester.
Lal...@yahoo.com
In article <6ek87o$r...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jesse Staniforth) wrote:
>
>
> BOBGOBLIN (rly...@bigfoot.com.YEAH.YOU) writes:
> > Has anyone here read anything by Thomas Pynchon? They've been
> > Any suggestions of which I should read first? V, Gravity's Rainbow,
> > Vineland, Mason & Dixon, or The Crying of Lot 49?
>
I started and read about half of Vineland a few years ago - it was an
entertaining enough read. However while standing in line for lunch at a Taco
Hell at Three Embaracadero, some little hipster fuck walks up to me and says
"Have you ever read any other Pynchon?" "No, no I haven't." "Wellllllll it's
a good place for you to start." Uber patronizing, gold metal framed
Lennon-esque glasses wearing midget, fuck. Bah. Needless to say this ruined
the book for me and I left in my desk on my last day of work.
This sounds utterly irrational, doen't it?
Bob G. Oblin
That crazy bastard, Lal...@yahoo.com {Lal...@yahoo.com} shat this upon
my desktop:
-->
--> I started and read about half of Vineland a few years ago - it was an
--> entertaining enough read. However while standing in line for lunch at a Taco
--> Hell at Three Embaracadero, some little hipster fuck walks up to me and says
--> "Have you ever read any other Pynchon?" "No, no I haven't." "Wellllllll it's
--> a good place for you to start." Uber patronizing, gold metal framed
--> Lennon-esque glasses wearing midget, fuck. Bah. Needless to say this ruined
--> the book for me and I left in my desk on my last day of work.
--> This sounds utterly irrational, doen't it?
--> Lali
Actually no. Little irrelevant things like that can easily turn me
against a major work in a hurry like when some little freak feels he must
identify with me because of something I might be reading. A bit shallow,
true, but I know what you mean.
D. Troy Cochrane
Jesse #1 wrote:
> Why on earth are you reading the Krishna evangelistic edition for school?
> Thats totally wierd! I mean, its a good translation, and it has stuff
> that the other translations dont, like the original sanskrit, and
> transliterations, but I would think you'd use a more scholarly one for a
> class. (What class)
I'm doing a report (more accurately, I was doing a report) on the ways
of liberation in Hinduism, bhaktimarga -- the Way of Devotion,
karmamarga -- the Way of Action, and jnanamarga -- the Way of
Knowledge. The Bhagavad Gita: As It Is, give an excellent description
of the how the three relate to each other, and it was the source of my
conclusion about the ultimate method of attaining salvation is a
combination of the three methods.
I'm actually going to skim through the book, because I find it quite
interesting.
Troy
warui neko-chan
I just finished this book by an American anthropologist who lived in Japan
and studied geisha for years and years. She became so immersed in their
culture and lifestyle that she actually worked as a geisha for awhile
(this was in I think the mid-1970's). It wasn't quite what I meant to
check out of the library - I'm doing research on geisha from the Edo
period for tattoo art - but it was really interesting nonetheless. I also
FINALLY got my hands on Donald Richie's book about Japanese tattoos, which
was excellent.
My current subway reading is William Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive. It's
OK, but not great. I don't exactly dislike him, but I haven't REALLY
enjoyed anything he's done other than Neuromancer.
I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
Kat
not doing any reading for any of her classes, though
*********
NEW HOME of alt.fan.tank-girl: http://www.dog.net.uk/kat/tank/
Jesse #1
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
Omee kawaikuneendayo!
tAMMY
the only really good novel ive read in years was The Wasp Factory by
Iain Banks.. wierd book.. kinda freaked me out when i read it(i was only
12), i couldnt eat anything that resembled a maggot for 3 months. you
know.. rice, tomatoes... anything small, white, or slimey.
its still one of my all time favourite books, and i highly recommend it.
the book im currently reading (and have been for about 3 years) is the
Tao Te Ching. you know, Taoism and all...
a friend of mine told me that there was a whinnie the pooh book based on
Taoism, 'The Tao of Pooh' or something like it.. if anyone out there has
any informatin on it, could you let me know?
i want it, and cant find it anywhere around here.
Bob G. Oblin
That crazy bastard, tAMMY {go...@passport.ca} shat this upon my desktop:
--> a friend of mine told me that there was a whinnie the pooh book based on
--> Taoism, 'The Tao of Pooh' or something like it.. if anyone out there has
--> any informatin on it, could you let me know?
--> i want it, and cant find it anywhere around here.
-->
I've seen it at Barnes & Nobels a few times but never read it.
john lowe
In article <6ec9nc$skf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Lal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just finished reading a book called High Fidelity about a man in his
> mid-thirties who owns a record shop in London. Like most record geeks the man
> is obsessive to the point of compulsive - can tell you anything about any
> record but is incapable to commiting to anything outside of music and records:
> be it friendship, career, personal relationships. But as he's growing older
> and his life is becomning increasingly pathetic he starts realizing that he
> isn't even following music/records as closely as he once did - although his
> entire life is based around compiling Top 5 lists for every single aspect of
> his existence.
>
>
i read that a couple years ago and really liked it. i'm not sure i see the
male/female thing you guys were talking about. i thought it was pretty
universal for our particular subculture, even if that wasn't the
subculture the author had in mind.
maybe it's cos, as lali and i have discussed before, i know several people
who fit the protagonist to a tee.
currently i am reading "carlucci's heart" by richard (?) russo, a cool
sci-fi-ish book about a cop in san francisco in the not-so-distant future.
it's the third in a series and they're all really cool books and read
really well and discuss relevant issues.
after this, i wanna try and read forest of kings again because linda
schele is dying and i feel bad for not having read the book before.
john <spends way more time playing playstation>
--
john lowe
hip...@mail.utexas.edu jericholic young lion i.s.a.
"did you know you're why i go and waste my time at a rock and roll show" -- descendents
"rage and anger are easy; it's hope that is hard to come by." -- spot
Jim Rantschler
Bob G. Oblin wrote:
>
> That crazy bastard, tAMMY {go...@passport.ca} shat this upon my desktop:
>
> --> a friend of mine told me that there was a whinnie the pooh book based on
> --> Taoism, 'The Tao of Pooh' or something like it.. if anyone out there has
> --> any informatin on it, could you let me know?
> --> i want it, and cant find it anywhere around here.
You don't want it.
Buy "The House at Pooh Corner," instead.
> I've seen it at Barnes & Nobels a few times but never read it.
Good Choice.
JR
tAMMY
Bob G. Oblin wrote:
>
> That crazy bastard, tAMMY {go...@passport.ca} shat this upon my desktop:
>
> --> a friend of mine told me that there was a whinnie the pooh book based on
> --> Taoism, 'The Tao of Pooh' or something like it.. if anyone out there has
> --> any informatin on it, could you let me know?
> --> i want it, and cant find it anywhere around here.
>
> I've seen it at Barnes & Nobels a few times but never read it.
> - el señor lyons
> - BOBGOBLIN EXTRAORDINAIRE
i live in canada eh
we dont have a barnes and nobles here.. well, not in toronto anyway..
but, at least i know the book does truly exist... the search contines.
warui neko-chan
> after this, i wanna try and read forest of kings again because linda
> schele is dying and i feel bad for not having read the book before.
You know, I've started reading that book a bunch of times now and I've
never managed to finish it. I don't know why not - the writing is
excellent and the subject matter fascinates me. I think it might have to
do with the fact that my copy is the big old hardcover, which means it's
just a little too big to comfortably read on a subway.
> john <spends way more time playing playstation>
I started Crash 2 last night. Oh, MAN!
Kat
hooked
warui neko-chan
> > I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
>
> Omee kawaikuneendayo!
Yer too cool.
Hey, how long have you been studying nihongo?
Kat
has been slacking off lately
Jesse #1
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
> >
> > Omee kawaikuneendayo!
>
> Yer too cool.
>
> Hey, how long have you been studying nihongo?
Since I were a freshman in college, being now a sophomore.
Ninensei des, katchan...
warui neko-chan
> > > > I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
> > >
> > > Omee kawaikuneendayo!
> >
> > Yer too cool.
> >
> > Hey, how long have you been studying nihongo?
>
> Since I were a freshman in college, being now a sophomore.
> Ninensei des, katchan...
Soo desu nee...
Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
nekochan
warui neko-chan
> Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
Ignore that S, please
Kat
should not be speaking other languages before her coffee kicks in
Jesse #1
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > > > I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
> > > >
> > > > Omee kawaikuneendayo!
> > >
> > > Yer too cool.
> > >
> > > Hey, how long have you been studying nihongo?
> >
> > Since I were a freshman in college, being now a sophomore.
> > Ninensei des, katchan...
>
> Soo desu nee...
>
> Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
Soo nee... Ja...
Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
James O'Donnell
>I intend to read Lot 49 first since I have so much other reading to do,
>and it is the shortest. Someone on one of the Pynchon newsgroups told me
>to read Gravity's Rainbow before V to get a better sense of where some of
>the characters in V come from. Another suggested I read them both at the
>same time!
Fucking hell, I can't imagine reading anything else at the same time as
Gravity's Rainbow. Excellent book but it does kind of take over your
life when you're reading it.
A friend at work just lent me Catch 22. Never read any Joseph Heller
before. I gather I'm missing out on something big.
Jimbo
- put the gun to my head, it was loaded with blanks
I was laughing all the way to the bank -
Jim Rantschler
Jesse #1 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm also reading some Ranma 1/2 manga in Japanese.
> > > > >
> > > > > Omee kawaikuneendayo!
> > > >
> > > > Yer too cool.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, how long have you been studying nihongo?
> > >
> > > Since I were a freshman in college, being now a sophomore.
> > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> >
> > Soo desu nee...
> >
> > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
>
> Soo nee... Ja...
> Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
You two already did this gag.
JR
Morgan Coe
James O'Donnell wrote:
> Fucking hell, I can't imagine reading anything else at the same time as
> Gravity's Rainbow. Excellent book but it does kind of take over your
> life when you're reading it.
>
> A friend at work just lent me Catch 22. Never read any Joseph Heller
> before. I gather I'm missing out on something big.
>
> Jimbo
"Catch 22" is one of my favorite books, period. On the other hand, the rest
of Joseph Heller's stuff is less impressive. "Good As Gold" kind of bored me,
"Something Happened" was really depressing, and the one about god was pretty
good, but nothing like Catch 22. He has his ups and downs. I'd recommend
Kurt Vonnegut, he's much more consistent.
Morgan.
PS. There's also a "sequel" to Catch 22. I was underwhelmed.
--
"The only reason you don't understand our music is that you don't like it!"
Rick, Young Ones
Fyodor Karamazov
Bob G. Oblin wrote:
>
>
> I also have the Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov. It's an
> amazing story but not addictive. I've never sat down and just read it.
> It holds my interest as long as I'm reading it but after I put it down, I
> forget about it. Satan hears that the communist Russians do not believe
> in God, and is totally amazed. So he, a naked witch, and a giant,
> talking black cat go to Moscow to see this for themselves.
>
Funny you should mention that - I'm in a class this semester in which
all we study is M&M, in Russian, to boot. I like that book a lot;
Bulgakov had a pretty good sense of humor for a Soviet writer. It's one
of the only books I've ever run into which managed to somehow be both
anti-athiest and anti-clerical at the same time.
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>
> Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> > SUH-*WEET*!!! Good god a-mighty, man, where the hell do you go to
> > school?!?
> McGill in montreal. It wasn't as sweet as it seems... it
> waspretentious cultural studies bullshit.
Hey, I *like* cultural studies!! Sure, it's flakey and trashy, but
that's the whole appeal, man!
We spent half the term reading
> these awful essays on how all the main characters of the books and films
> were the manifestations of the authors' repreessed homosexualities...
Oh, yeah, all those authors and film-makers? Homos. Cain, Chandler,
Welles, Wilder, Thompson, Fuller, all of 'em: fagz. Hey, I read it in
an essay in school, so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!
>
> > only gotten through SERENADE by Cain (although THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS
> > TWICE is on my summer reading list) (as is AFTER DARK, MY SWEET) and THE
> > MALTESE FALCON by Hammett, so my *roman noir* creds are not as great as
> I haven't read that much either. I read 3/4 of Postman for the
> class, and didn't get around to Double Indemni8ty
Jeez, how can you NOT finish PART? It's about 96 pages and it's
written by the most fast-paced author in the history of English!! The
old film version of DOUBLE INDEMNITY w/Fred "Absent-Minded Professor"
MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck, is a lot of fun. Check it out if you
haven't by now.
... maybe I'll read it
> this summer. Cain's a VERY easy read. I found Postman to be just too
> simplistic for my tastes.
That's the fun part, or so I figured. Lean, mean books that give you a
cheap thrill and then gather dust.
A little like Scarface by Armitage Trail...
Never heard of that one. What's it like?
I
> read the first 20 pages and gave up. Too dorky.
I guess that answers my question...
>
> > I'd like 'em to be. Any of these names mean anything to you: Chester
> > Himes, Charles Williford, Jon Jackson...?
> Don't know 'em, unfortunately, but I've taken down the names and
> started looking.
Jon (or maybe it's Joe, I forget) Jackson wrote THE BLIND PIG, which is
your basic convoluted, complicated *noir*-ish novel. Lots of fun,
though, with some editions sporting a nice S. Clay Wilson cover. As for
Himes: look for anything with Coffin Ed and Grave Digger Johnson in
'em. He wrote a whole series of books involving those two, and all of
the ones I've run across are great. He's become pretty trendy in lit.
circles lately since he is the only major crime writer who was black;
the first truely *noir* writer, I guess ha ha. I'm suprised you didn't
run into him in the class you were in. Williford is right up there with
Thompson - on days when I'm feeling REALLY wacky, I think he's even
better. Most of his stuff (as far as I know, anyway) takes place in
Miami in the 1980s, and the best way I can describe 'em is that they all
have that Miami-in-the-1980s feel to 'em. Seek out and read any book of
his with Hoke Mosley in it.
>
>
> > In other Jim Thompson news: I was wearing my JT t-shit today, and got
> > tomato sauce all over it, so now I'm really pissed. This happened to my
> > William S Burroughs shirt a few months ago - that's what I get for
> > wearing white t-shirts with authors' likenessess on 'em. Although, if
> > you look at it just right, it does kinda look like the Thompson's face
> > is spattered with o-positive, which is more or less appropriate, so
> > maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
> I don't have ANY author t-shirts, so consider yourself lucky to
> have tomato-stained ones. Where did you get a Thompson T-shirt?
I tagged along on a college-hunting trip with my bro and 'rents.
Whenever they visit campuses, I usually hang out in the book store.
Anyway, at this particular place, I just happened across a JT t-shirt in
the cut-out bin with old, outdated computer books and stuff like that.
$5. Just my size and everything. I'm waiting for the day when my
future wife walks up to me in some public place and says "I couldn't
help noticing that t-shirt you were wearing..."
>
> with the Brothers K. I've been told by a very reliable source that it
> contains all the knowledge any person will ever need, so I want to take my
> time with it...
Odd. I heard that exact same advice from a high school teacher of
mine, right before he GAVE AWAY THE FUCKING ENDING. For some reason, he
assumed that I'd already read it, and starting mentioning specifics.
"Oh, isn't it amazing when blah blah blah goes to blah blah blah and
suddenly tells him yadda yadda yadda...?" The first half of it was
good, but it didn't stand up to anything in CRIME & PUNISHMENT, THE
GAMBLER, or even the boring old IDIOT. I'm all Dostoevskied out,
anyway: I read almost no one else for a year in high school, and have
spent an amount of time looking at critical literature on the guy since
I declared my comp lit major. I love the man and all (can you tell?),
but he can get to be a bit much some times.
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> Hey, I *like* cultural studies!! Sure, it's flakey and trashy, but
> that's the whole appeal, man!
Ermf. It drives me nuts. I dislike cultural studies, and I
*ESPECIALLY* hate cultural studies students. I mean, like I want to hang
around with a bunch of people who think they're better than me because
they've spent the last three years arguing over whether not Walter Ness
was actually in love with boss, and that the whole Double Indemnity thing
is about what happens when a woman comes between two men.
Like, fuck me.
> Jeez, how can you NOT finish PART? It's about 96 pages and it's
> written by the most fast-paced author in the history of English!! The
I may, but I just don't like things THAT fast-paced. I prefer
Thompson, since he actually goes into depth about things, instead of "I
did this, she did this. I did this. He did this."...
> old film version of DOUBLE INDEMNITY w/Fred "Absent-Minded Professor"
> MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck, is a lot of fun. Check it out if you
> haven't by now.
We watched part of it in class. I've been meaning to see the
rest... perhaps next time we have a movie night I'll convince the other
hosers to get that. It can't possibly be more boring than Plan 9 From
OUter Space.
> That's the fun part, or so I figured. Lean, mean books that give you a
> cheap thrill and then gather dust.
Maybe. I liuke things that leave me with a lasting impression,
rather than John Grisham filth.
> Never heard of that one. What's it like?
>> read the first 20 pages and gave up. Too dorky.
> I guess that answers my question...
The book from hence the two movies were made. It's like cut and
paste gangsterism, with absolutely no personality. Yawn.
> Jon (or maybe it's Joe, I forget) Jackson wrote THE BLIND PIG, which is
> your basic convoluted, complicated *noir*-ish novel. Lots of fun,
> though, with some editions sporting a nice S. Clay Wilson cover. As for
> Himes: look for anything with Coffin Ed and Grave Digger Johnson in
> 'em. He wrote a whole series of books involving those two, and all of
> the ones I've run across are great. He's become pretty trendy in lit.
> circles lately since he is the only major crime writer who was black;
> the first truely *noir* writer, I guess ha ha. I'm suprised you didn't
> run into him in the class you were in. Williford is right up there with
> Thompson - on days when I'm feeling REALLY wacky, I think he's even
> better. Most of his stuff (as far as I know, anyway) takes place in
> Miami in the 1980s, and the best way I can describe 'em is that they all
> have that Miami-in-the-1980s feel to 'em. Seek out and read any book of
> his with Hoke Mosley in it.
If I ever get some money, I'll be looking for them in the usual
used bookstores.
> I tagged along on a college-hunting trip with my bro and 'rents.
> Whenever they visit campuses, I usually hang out in the book store.
> Anyway, at this particular place, I just happened across a JT t-shirt in
> the cut-out bin with old, outdated computer books and stuff like that.
> $5. Just my size and everything. I'm waiting for the day when my
> future wife walks up to me in some public place and says "I couldn't
> help noticing that t-shirt you were wearing..."
"...I think it's just SO clever, the way you've spattered him with
blood!" ...I know. I feel the same way when I'm reading a really good book
in a public place and I can tell someone's appreciated my taste. Now only
if they'd just introduce themselves.
I once found a Bettie Page T-shirt in a $2 bin, but it didn't fit
me too well (too damn small).... so I had to give it away.
> Odd. I heard that exact same advice from a high school teacher of
> mine, right before he GAVE AWAY THE FUCKING ENDING. For some reason, he
> assumed that I'd already read it, and starting mentioning specifics.
> "Oh, isn't it amazing when blah blah blah goes to blah blah blah and
> suddenly tells him yadda yadda yadda...?" The first half of it was
> good, but it didn't stand up to anything in CRIME & PUNISHMENT, THE
> GAMBLER, or even the boring old IDIOT. I'm all Dostoevskied out,
> anyway: I read almost no one else for a year in high school, and have
> spent an amount of time looking at critical literature on the guy since
> I declared my comp lit major. I love the man and all (can you tell?),
> but he can get to be a bit much some times.
I've never read him, so I'm excited. I generally don't read anything
written pre1900 unless I'm ordered to for skool, so I feel like I'm kind
of expanding my horizons. but not yet, because I've got too much other
shit to worry about.
By the way, the sheriff in Wild Town *IS* lou ford. Weird.
j.
D. Troy Cochrane
warui neko-chan wrote:
> Soo desu nee...
>
> Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
>
> nekochan
'kay, how many times do I have to say this. . .
FUCKIN! CUT IT OUT!
Troy
D. Troy Cochrane
Morgan Coe wrote:
>
> James O'Donnell wrote:
>
> > Fucking hell, I can't imagine reading anything else at the same time as
> > Gravity's Rainbow. Excellent book but it does kind of take over your
> > life when you're reading it.
> >
> > A friend at work just lent me Catch 22. Never read any Joseph Heller
> > before. I gather I'm missing out on something big.
> >
> > Jimbo
>
> "Catch 22" is one of my favorite books, period.
Me too. I was looking through a bunch of old books of my parents, and I
came across this one. The day before it had been the answer to a clue
on Jeopardy, so I decided to read it. One of the best books I've ever
read. I've never read a book with such non-stop intelligent humour.
On the other hand, the rest
> of Joseph Heller's stuff is less impressive. "Good As Gold" kind of bored me,
> "Something Happened" was really depressing, and the one about god was pretty
> good, but nothing like Catch 22. He has his ups and downs.
I didn't mind "Good as Gold," I couldn't finish "Something Happened,"
it's one of the worst books I've ever read. But, I really liked "God
Knows." Very interesting, oh, and the one about Rembrant is extremely
dry. . . and interesting way to present history, but dry nonetheless.
I'd recommend
> Kurt Vonnegut, he's much more consistent.
I have three Vonnegut books sitting at home, waiting to be read. . . I
really have to get off my ass and read them.
> Morgan.
>
> PS. There's also a "sequel" to Catch 22. I was underwhelmed.
"Closing Time?" Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting through it. I was
so excited when I found it used too. It just doesn't have that silly
feel to it, Yossarian is too realistic.
warui neko-chan
> > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > >
> > > Soo desu nee...
> > >
> > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> >
> > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
>
> You two already did this gag.
You're just jealous because you don't speak Japanese.
Kat
should go write that essay
Jim Rantschler
warui neko-chan wrote:
>
> > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > >
> > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > >
> > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > >
> > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> >
> > You two already did this gag.
>
> You're just jealous because you don't speak Japanese.
I've got a couple of years to learn, if I want.
Technical degrees who speak both English and Japanese get paid the big
bucks in Japan.
Of course, I think that Denver's too densely populated, so I think I'll
just refrain.
JR
Jim Rantschler
"D. Troy Cochrane" wrote:
>
> warui neko-chan wrote:
>
> > Soo desu nee...
> >
> > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> >
>
> 'kay, how many times do I have to say this. . .
>
> FUCKIN! CUT IT OUT!
Stop encouraging them, Troy.
JR
warui neko-chan
> > Soo desu nee...
> >
> > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> >
> > nekochan
>
> 'kay, how many times do I have to say this. . .
>
> FUCKIN! CUT IT OUT!
You're jealous too.
Kat
heh
Jesse #1
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > >
> > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > >
> > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > >
> > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> >
> > You two already did this gag.
>
> You're just jealous because you don't speak Japanese.
Ee.
warui neko-chan
> > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> >
> > Soo desu nee...
> >
> > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
>
> Soo nee... Ja...
> Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
Kat
netai desu
RLY...@bigfoot.com
In article <3510BD...@passport.ca>,
I would have thought B&N had a store in Toronto... but anyhow... check Barnes
& Noble on the web at:
or amazon.com at, YOU GUESSED IT!
One of those is bound to have it. Or *can* get it.
- bobgoblin
- yeah that's right
- bobgoblin
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RLY...@bigfoot.com
In article <6ekb6e$d2n$1...@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>,
sgl...@email.unc.edu (Susan Glover) wrote:
>
>
> vineland is my favorite- the others are a lot less accessible, and
> vineland is fucking funny. i have a number of good quotes from it......
> -sprout
> "i was wondering why there was no milk
> in my coffee and now i realize it's because i didn't put any in." ursula
this sounds like the book for me.
RLY...@bigfoot.com
In article <351393...@ass.com>,
> > amazing story but not addictive. I've never sat down and just read it.
> > It holds my interest as long as I'm reading it but after I put it down, I
> > forget about it. Satan hears that the communist Russians do not believe
> > in God, and is totally amazed. So he, a naked witch, and a giant,
> > talking black cat go to Moscow to see this for themselves.
> >
>
> Funny you should mention that - I'm in a class this semester in which
> all we study is M&M, in Russian, to boot. I like that book a lot;
> Bulgakov had a pretty good sense of humor for a Soviet writer. It's one
> of the only books I've ever run into which managed to somehow be both
> anti-athiest and anti-clerical at the same time.
>
>
> --
> "Why does Fred Flintstone keep ordering the ribs when he *knows* the
> car is going to tip over?!" --Cactus Jack
>
> Want to email me? Oh yes you do. I'm at dter...@students.wisc.edu
>
RLY...@bigfoot.com
In article <VA.0000027...@clem.mscd.edu>,
> >
> > --> a friend of mine told me that there was a whinnie the pooh book based
on
> > --> Taoism, 'The Tao of Pooh' or something like it.. if anyone out there
has
> > --> any informatin on it, could you let me know?
> > --> i want it, and cant find it anywhere around here.
>
>
> Buy "The House at Pooh Corner," instead.
>
>
>
> JR
>
>
Bobgoblin, proud of his wise choice.
Jesse #1
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > >
> > > Soo desu nee...
> > >
> > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> >
> > Soo nee... Ja...
> > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
>
> Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
Soo da yo. Katakana da.
--
Jesse #1
The Derisives/Speakeasy Swingers
"If by some possibility anarchy is possible, it will fail because too many
stupid idiots rally behind it."
--The Less-Than-Eloquent yet Completely Correct dd
blackie
Winni the pooh is
*sooo punk rock!*
-blackie
--
The only time I was ever starstruck was standing next to David Bowie
at the Bridge School benefit. -Thanks Stacy!
Bob G. Oblin
That crazy bastard, RLY...@BIGFOOT.COM {RLY...@BIGFOOT.COM} shat this
upon my desktop:
--> In article <351393...@ass.com>,
--> ja...@ass.com wrote:
--> >
--> > Bob G. Oblin wrote:
--> > >
--> > >
--> > > I also have the Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov. It's an
--> > > amazing story but not addictive. I've never sat down and just read it.
--> > > It holds my interest as long as I'm reading it but after I put it down, I
--> > > forget about it. Satan hears that the communist Russians do not believe
--> > > in God, and is totally amazed. So he, a naked witch, and a giant,
--> > > talking black cat go to Moscow to see this for themselves.
--> > >
--> >
--> > Funny you should mention that - I'm in a class this semester in which
--> > all we study is M&M, in Russian, to boot. I like that book a lot;
--> > Bulgakov had a pretty good sense of humor for a Soviet writer. It's one
--> > of the only books I've ever run into which managed to somehow be both
--> > anti-athiest and anti-clerical at the same time.
--> >
--> > Fyodor
--> >
--> > --
--> > "Why does Fred Flintstone keep ordering the ribs when he *knows* the
--> >
--> > Want to email me? Oh yes you do. I'm at dter...@students.wisc.edu
--> >
-->
-->
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-->
Hmm... it seems deja news didn't bother posting what I wrote in the
follow-up... let's see if I can remember...
ah, yes, on one point: has Bulgakov written anything other than Master &
Margarita? The edition I have has no other titles listed by him.
warui neko-chan
> > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > >
> > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > >
> > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > >
> > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> >
> > Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
>
> Soo da yo. Katakana da.
Wakarimasita.
Kat
heh
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>
> Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> > Hey, I *like* cultural studies!! Sure, it's flakey and trashy, but
> > that's the whole appeal, man!
> *ESPECIALLY* hate cultural studies students. I mean, like I want to hang
> around with a bunch of people who think they're better than me because
> they've spent the last three years arguing over whether not Walter Ness
> was actually in love with boss,
Well, he WAS. It's plainly stated throughout the narrative! "I love
you." Then there's that whole scene when the two of 'em re-create the
big dance number in A CHORUS LINE together...oop, but you haven't seen
the film yet, so forget I said anything.
>
> > Jeez, how can you NOT finish PART? It's about 96 pages and it's
> > written by the most fast-paced author in the history of English!! The
> I may, but I just don't like things THAT fast-paced. I prefer
> Thompson, since he actually goes into depth about things, instead of "I
> did this, she did this. I did this. He did this."...
See, I dig Cain's lean style. It's TOUGH, see? I guess it's not for
everyone, though.
>
> > old film version of DOUBLE INDEMNITY w/Fred "Absent-Minded Professor"
> > MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck, is a lot of fun. Check it out if you
> > haven't by now.
> We watched part of it in class. I've been meaning to see the
> rest... perhaps next time we have a movie night I'll convince the other
> hosers to get that. It can't possibly be more boring than Plan 9 From
> OUter Space.
No, no, it's great. Skip either version of PART, though; they're both
dull and not very well-made. See, the neat thing about all the film
adaptations of Hammet/Cain/Chandler novels is that both Cain and
Chandler were also screenwriters, and, as often as not, wound up
adapting each other's work. Chandler wrote the (great) screenplay for
DI, and he also adapted Patricia Highsmith's (another great neglected
crime writer) STRANGERS ON A TRAIN for Hitchcock. Cain wrote...um...a
bunch of stuff. Hm, I seem to be drawing a blank with him. Well,
whatever. Great screenwriters, both of 'em. Speaking of adaptations,
ever seen MILDRED PIERCE?
>
> > That's the fun part, or so I figured. Lean, mean books that give you a
> > cheap thrill and then gather dust.
> Maybe. I liuke things that leave me with a lasting impression,
> rather than John Grisham filth.
Now a cultural studies student would say that you were still stuck in
the old, played out mindset which demands that there be a literary
hierarchy: Dostoevsky, etc. are the True Artists, where as guys like
Grisham, etc. are just a bunch of hacks trying to make a buck, and
therefore bunk as far as Serious Literature is concerned. But that's
what THEY would say...
>
> > Never heard of that one. What's it like?
> >> read the first 20 pages and gave up. Too dorky.
> > I guess that answers my question...
>
> The book from hence the two movies were made. It's like cut and
> paste gangsterism, with absolutely no personality. Yawn.
Y'know, I've never seen either of the two film versions, even though
everyone says they're supposed to be Thee Shit. Maybe the book seems
like by-the-numbers gangster stuff because of these two films? Then
again, that still doesn't help those of us who live in the 1990s.
>
>
> > I tagged along on a college-hunting trip with my bro and 'rents.
> > Whenever they visit campuses, I usually hang out in the book store.
> > Anyway, at this particular place, I just happened across a JT t-shirt in
> > the cut-out bin with old, outdated computer books and stuff like that.
> > $5. Just my size and everything. I'm waiting for the day when my
> > future wife walks up to me in some public place and says "I couldn't
> > help noticing that t-shirt you were wearing..."
> "...I think it's just SO clever, the way you've spattered him with
> blood!" ...I know. I feel the same way when I'm reading a really good book
> in a public place and I can tell someone's appreciated my taste. Now only
> if they'd just introduce themselves.
Bah! No one has ANY taste in Madison! They wouldn't know Jim Thompson
from Richard Thompson!
> I once found a Bettie Page T-shirt in a $2 bin, but it didn't fit
> me too well (too damn small).... so I had to give it away.
I did the same thing with a Ed Roth shirt I found in the buck bin in a
thrift store. Not my size, but it just felt WRONG to leave it there
where it wasn't being appreciated.
>
> RE: Dostoevsky
> I've never read him, so I'm excited. I generally don't read anything
> written pre1900 unless I'm ordered to for skool, so I feel like I'm kind
> of expanding my horizons. but not yet, because I've got too much other
> shit to worry about.
In that case, grab a good translation of NOTES FROM UNDERGROUND before
you dive into any of the BIG novels. It's a great intro - you get all
the basic ideas that he was preoccupied with, it gets you acquainted
with his style, and it's such a great book that you'll be hooked for
life. Plus, it's short and fast.
>
> By the way, the sheriff in Wild Town *IS* lou ford. Weird.
>
Well, what the fuck? Knowing what I do about the end of WT, that makes
his character even weirder. I GOTTA finish TKIM soon.
Jesse #1
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > > >
> > > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > > >
> > > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > > >
> > > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> > >
> > > Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
> >
> > Soo da yo. Katakana da.
>
> Wakarimasita.
Ja, boku to sekksu ga... ii?
Christine R. Chesser
I reccomend the Tao Of Pooh
C.
--
"The light comes in much too early every day, wakes me up but it won't
chase those dreams away" - Portastatic
- http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~be532
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
>> they've spent the last three years arguing over whether not Walter Ness
>> was actually in love with boss,
> Well, he WAS. It's plainly stated throughout the narrative! "I love
> you." Then there's that whole scene when the two of 'em re-create the
> big dance number in A CHORUS LINE together...oop, but you haven't seen
> the film yet, so forget I said anything.
Well, yeah. But still, I hate reading the essays about it.
> See, I dig Cain's lean style. It's TOUGH, see? I guess it's not for
> everyone, though.
It just seemed a little too "See dick. See dick kill for insurance
money. Kill, dick, kill" for my tastes.
> No, no, it's great. Skip either version of PART, though; they're both
> dull and not very well-made. See, the neat thing about all the film
Yeah, we watched part of the first one. It was rank. Just not too
good.
> adaptations of Hammet/Cain/Chandler novels is that both Cain and
> Chandler were also screenwriters, and, as often as not, wound up
> adapting each other's work. Chandler wrote the (great) screenplay for
> DI, and he also adapted Patricia Highsmith's (another great neglected
> crime writer) STRANGERS ON A TRAIN for Hitchcock. Cain wrote...um...a
> bunch of stuff. Hm, I seem to be drawing a blank with him. Well,
Yeah, they all wrote lots. Didn't they write screenplays
adaptations of eachother's novels, too?
> whatever. Great screenwriters, both of 'em. Speaking of adaptations,
> ever seen MILDRED PIERCE?
No, I have so much to see. I spent too much time not watching
movies (I worked in a video store, and I got sick of them fast, so I
watched very few for the next four years). But have you seen OUT OF THE
PAST with Robert Mitchum? That's by far my fave noir flick.
> Now a cultural studies student would say that you were still stuck in
> the old, played out mindset which demands that there be a literary
> hierarchy: Dostoevsky, etc. are the True Artists, where as guys like
> Grisham, etc. are just a bunch of hacks trying to make a buck, and
> therefore bunk as far as Serious Literature is concerned. But that's
> what THEY would say...
Ermf. I've never dug serious lit. I like beat writers, pulp, and
all around bitterness. I'm jsut starting to move towards the older stuff.
> Y'know, I've never seen either of the two film versions, even though
> everyone says they're supposed to be Thee Shit. Maybe the book seems
> like by-the-numbers gangster stuff because of these two films? Then
> again, that still doesn't help those of us who live in the 1990s.
I've never seen them either, but believe me, this book's just bad.
>> "...I think it's just SO clever, the way you've spattered him with
>> blood!" ...I know. I feel the same way when I'm reading a really good book
>> in a public place and I can tell someone's appreciated my taste. Now only
>> if they'd just introduce themselves.
>
> Bah! No one has ANY taste in Madison! They wouldn't know Jim Thompson
> from Richard Thompson!
Bastards. Where's madison, anyway? Montreal's a tad hipper. I was
eating pizza in the cheap pizza place and reading Growing Up Absurd by
Paul Goodman this one night when this hep looking chick with a guitar came
in with her boyfriend and gave me the up-and-down and kinda smiled. I felt
too hip for my own damned good.
> In that case, grab a good translation of NOTES FROM UNDERGROUND before
> you dive into any of the BIG novels. It's a great intro - you get all
> the basic ideas that he was preoccupied with, it gets you acquainted
> with his style, and it's such a great book that you'll be hooked for
> life. Plus, it's short and fast.
I've been told I'd like that... My upper class friend Alex seems
to think it would be in line with my feelings for society. I don't know
what kind of translation my copy of Bros K is... it's the new translation,
on Oxford. It's actually called The Karamazov Brothers, but the chick at
the bookstore assured me it was a good translation.
> Well, what the fuck? Knowing what I do about the end of WT, that makes
> his character even weirder. I GOTTA finish TKIM soon.
Damn, that book took me one day to read! Is Lou going with Amy Standish in
that? Does it take place in Ragtown? Because that would be just weird.
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>
> Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
>
> > adaptations of Hammet/Cain/Chandler novels is that both Cain and
> > Chandler were also screenwriters, and, as often as not, wound up
> > adapting each other's work. Chandler wrote the (great) screenplay for
> > DI, and he also adapted Patricia Highsmith's (another great neglected
> > crime writer) STRANGERS ON A TRAIN for Hitchcock. Cain wrote...um...a
> > bunch of stuff. Hm, I seem to be drawing a blank with him. Well,
> adaptations of eachother's novels, too?
Yeah - Chandler wrote DOUBLE INDEMNITY, and I *think* that Cain wrote
either THE BIG SLEEP or THE MALTESE FALCON. Whichever one he didn't
write was done by William Faulkner. Cain wrote an awful lot of
non-*noir* stuff, too. Christ, I read an interview with him a while
back which specifically dealt with his screenwriting, but I can't seem
to remember a thing about it right now. Actually, our pal Jim Thompson
also did a lot of screenwriting: Stanley Kubrick was a great admirer of
his, and got him to write THE PATHS OF GLORY (which is *fucking great*)
and THE KILLING (which I haven't seen). I think he also might have
helped out on SPARTACUS too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one. He also
adapted his own novel, THE GETAWAY for the great Sam Peckinpah in the
ealy 1970s, which is also worth checking out (the film I mean; I'm not a
huge fan of the novel) even though a lot of people seem to not like it.
> > whatever. Great screenwriters, both of 'em. Speaking of adaptations,
> > ever seen MILDRED PIERCE?
> No, I have so much to see. I spent too much time not watching
> movies (I worked in a video store, and I got sick of them fast, so I
> watched very few for the next four years). But have you seen OUT OF THE
> PAST with Robert Mitchum? That's by far my fave noir flick.
Fuck, that's one I've been telling myself to catch for a long time.
I've been a Robert Mitchum fan ever since I saw NIGHT OF THE HUNTER a
while back. I was pissed when he died this summer, because Jimmy
Stewart croaked exactly a day later and stole all the attention which
rightfully belonged to Mitchum. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy
Stewart and all, but Robert Mitchum is, like...ROBERT MITCHUM!! Isn't
Kirk Douglas in OUT OF THE PAST too? He's another one of my favorites -
again, check out PATHS OF GLORY and SPARTACUS to see why.
>
> > Now a cultural studies student would say that you were still stuck in
> > the old, played out mindset which demands that there be a literary
> > hierarchy: Dostoevsky, etc. are the True Artists, where as guys like
> > Grisham, etc. are just a bunch of hacks trying to make a buck, and
> > therefore bunk as far as Serious Literature is concerned. But that's
> > what THEY would say...
> Ermf. I've never dug serious lit. I like beat writers, pulp, and
> all around bitterness. I'm jsut starting to move towards the older stuff.
If college lit courses have taught me anything at all, and I'd like to
think that they have, it's that you shouldn't be so quick to scoff at
low-brow stuff like...well, like the stuff you just mentioned. The only
reason there's any sort of distinction at all is so that professors and
pseudo-intellectuals can feel smart. I'm curious, though - what exactly
falls under the 'bitterness' category?
> >
> > Bah! No one has ANY taste in Madison! They wouldn't know Jim Thompson
> > from Richard Thompson!
> Bastards. Where's madison, anyway?
It's in southern Wisconsin. It sucks, which is too bad, because the
rest of the state is really nice.
Montreal's a tad hipper.
Sure is - I was there a few years ago and dug it the most. The Expos
are one of my favorite baseball teams. Not only do they have to sing
*three* national anthems (unless they're playing the Blue Jays in the
Series (or interleague play)), not only are they perennial losers who
got screwed out of their one good season by the strike, not only are
they in the NL Central, my favorite divison, but they're managed by an
Alou. Nice record stores in Montreal, too. I got my copy of "Loaded"
there.
I was
> eating pizza in the cheap pizza place and reading Growing Up Absurd by
> Paul Goodman this one night when this hep looking chick with a guitar came
> in with her boyfriend and gave me the up-and-down and kinda smiled. I felt
> too hip for my own damned good.
Substitute "overpriced" for "cheap", "dumbass sorority cretin" for "hep
looking chick", "North Face jacket and elevator shoes" for "guitar",
"scowled" for "smiled" and "going outside and keying the Mercedes that
her dad bought her" for "too hip for my own damn good", and you've got a
fairly accurate approxomation of what life in Madison is like.
>
> > In that case, grab a good translation of NOTES FROM UNDERGROUND before
> > you dive into any of the BIG novels. It's a great intro - you get all
> > the basic ideas that he was preoccupied with, it gets you acquainted
> > with his style, and it's such a great book that you'll be hooked for
> > life. Plus, it's short and fast.
> I've been told I'd like that... My upper class friend Alex seems
> to think it would be in line with my feelings for society.
Hey, if you like bitterness in your books, you'll go ape over NFU.
>
>
> > Well, what the fuck? Knowing what I do about the end of WT, that makes
> > his character even weirder. I GOTTA finish TKIM soon.
>
> Damn, that book took me one day to read! Is Lou going with Amy Standish in
> that?
You mean Amy Stanton, right? If so, YES!
Does it take place in Ragtown?
No, Central City.
Because that would be just weird.
Oh, IT'S WEIRD ALL RIGHT. Damn, Jim Thompson is Thee Man. I
appreciate both books so much more now.
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> Jesse Staniforth wrote:
> write was done by William Faulkner. Cain wrote an awful lot of
> non-*noir* stuff, too. Christ, I read an interview with him a while
I read a bunch of essays on him, but I can't remember a damned
thing. Have you ever come across a copy of Horace McCoy's THEY SHOOT
HORSES, DON'T THEY?... it's long out of print, but it sounds SO cool. We
were supposed to have read it for the class, but I never got down to the
library for the rexserve copies.
> back which specifically dealt with his screenwriting, but I can't seem
> to remember a thing about it right now. Actually, our pal Jim Thompson
> also did a lot of screenwriting: Stanley Kubrick was a great admirer of
> his, and got him to write THE PATHS OF GLORY (which is *fucking great*)
> and THE KILLING (which I haven't seen). I think he also might have
> helped out on SPARTACUS too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one. He also
> adapted his own novel, THE GETAWAY for the great Sam Peckinpah in the
> ealy 1970s, which is also worth checking out (the film I mean; I'm not a
> huge fan of the novel) even though a lot of people seem to not like it.
I've seen part of The Getaway. T'was okay. I like Ali McGraw. But
I'm not likely going to go digging for it... I'm seeing movies very slowly.
> Fuck, that's one I've been telling myself to catch for a long time.
> I've been a Robert Mitchum fan ever since I saw NIGHT OF THE HUNTER a
> while back. I was pissed when he died this summer, because Jimmy
> Stewart croaked exactly a day later and stole all the attention which
> rightfully belonged to Mitchum. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy
> Stewart and all, but Robert Mitchum is, like...ROBERT MITCHUM!! Isn't
> Kirk Douglas in OUT OF THE PAST too? He's another one of my favorites -
> again, check out PATHS OF GLORY and SPARTACUS to see why.
Yep. Douglas is in it as a sort of villain. It's kind of grey as
to who th evillain is (as I said, classic noir). I too was bugged about
the lack of coverage over Mitchum's death. He was a great. Not to say that
Stewart wasn't....they both deserved their due.
>> Ermf. I've never dug serious lit. I like beat writers, pulp, and
>> all around bitterness. I'm jsut starting to move towards the older stuff.
> If college lit courses have taught me anything at all, and I'd like to
> think that they have, it's that you shouldn't be so quick to scoff at
> low-brow stuff like...well, like the stuff you just mentioned. The only
> reason there's any sort of distinction at all is so that professors and
> pseudo-intellectuals can feel smart. I'm curious, though - what exactly
> falls under the 'bitterness' category?
Martin Amis, Will Self, Charles Bukowski. More when I find 'em. As
for lowbrow, I don't mind, as long as it's good. The problem with the John
Grishams is that it's just a formula. I don't dig that. I prefer to know
about th epeople, not the scenes. More character, less action.
> It's in southern Wisconsin. It sucks, which is too bad, because the
> rest of the state is really nice.
Hey, isn't that where the make the cheese?
> Sure is - I was there a few years ago and dug it the most. The Expos
> are one of my favorite baseball teams. Not only do they have to sing
> *three* national anthems (unless they're playing the Blue Jays in the
> Series (or interleague play)), not only are they perennial losers who
> got screwed out of their one good season by the strike, not only are
> they in the NL Central, my favorite divison, but they're managed by an
> Alou. Nice record stores in Montreal, too. I got my copy of "Loaded"
> there.
Loaded by the Velvets? Don't have it. I should get it, but I'm
broke. I don't follow baseball, generally.
> Substitute "overpriced" for "cheap", "dumbass sorority cretin" for "hep
> looking chick", "North Face jacket and elevator shoes" for "guitar",
> "scowled" for "smiled" and "going outside and keying the Mercedes that
> her dad bought her" for "too hip for my own damn good", and you've got a
> fairly accurate approxomation of what life in Madison is like.
Oh, I see. I'm sorry to hear that. Why don't you move?
> Hey, if you like bitterness in your books, you'll go ape over NFU.
I'm going to start looking as soon as I ge a couple dollars to spare.
>> Damn, that book took me one day to read! Is Lou going with Amy Standish in
>> that?
> You mean Amy Stanton, right? If so, YES!
No, in Wild Town, she's Amy Standish.
> Does it take place in Ragtown?
> No, Central City.
>
> Oh, IT'S WEIRD ALL RIGHT. Damn, Jim Thompson is Thee Man. I
> appreciate both books so much more now.
Oh, he is. I'm going to hold off and read something else. I don't want to
exhaust my supply, OR my taste for him.
Jim Rantschler
Christine R. Chesser wrote:
>
> blackie (bla...@wingnutrecords.com) writes:
> > Winni the pooh is
> >
> > *sooo punk rock!*
> >
> > -blackie
> > --
> > The only time I was ever starstruck was standing next to David Bowie
> > at the Bridge School benefit. -Thanks Stacy!
>
> I reccomend the Tao Of Pooh
This started out with someone who wanted to find that book.
I disagree: never touch that book, or your soul will be eaten by a
tigger.
JR
Jim Rantschler
blackie wrote:
> Winni the pooh is
>
> *sooo punk rock!*
I concur.
JR
Nraeha45
Subject: Re: Books - pooh
From: Jim Rantschler <rant...@clem.mscd.edu>
> I reccomend the Tao Of Pooh
:This started out with someone who wanted to find that book.
:I disagree: never touch that book, or your soul will be eaten by a
:tigger.
Tis true, avoid this book like the plague. I read it now I can't stand the
whole concept of Taoism and it seriously dented my love of Winnie the Pooh-dom.
Brrrrrrr... ick ick ick....
Lali
Papilln
>> Winni the pooh is
>>
>> *sooo punk rock!*
>I concur.
sooo punk i have him tattooed over my heart........pooh power
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Jesse #1
On 26 Mar 1998, Nraeha45 wrote:
> > I reccomend the Tao Of Pooh
>
> :This started out with someone who wanted to find that book.
>
> :I disagree: never touch that book, or your soul will be eaten by a
> :tigger.
>
> Tis true, avoid this book like the plague. I read it now I can't stand the
> whole concept of Taoism and it seriously dented my love of Winnie the Pooh-dom.
> Brrrrrrr... ick ick ick....
As a hobbyist taoist, that book wasnt bad at all. It really does give
something of a basic insight into taoism as it is, rather than surrounding
it in mystic mumbo jumbo in an attempt to preserve mystery.
Lal...@yahoo.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.98032...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Jesse #1 <jsu...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > Tis true, avoid this book like the plague. I read it now I can't stand
the
> > whole concept of Taoism and it seriously dented my love of Winnie the
Pooh-dom.
> > Brrrrrrr... ick ick ick....
>
> As a hobbyist taoist, that book wasnt bad at all. It really does give
> something of a basic insight into taoism as it is, rather than surrounding
> it in mystic mumbo jumbo in an attempt to preserve mystery.
Oh it was a horribly adorable little synopsis, I just found the whole taoist
"concept" mildly repugnant....
Lali
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Jesse #1
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 Lal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Tis true, avoid this book like the plague. I read it now I can't stand
> the
> > > whole concept of Taoism and it seriously dented my love of Winnie the
> Pooh-dom.
> > > Brrrrrrr... ick ick ick....
> >
> > As a hobbyist taoist, that book wasnt bad at all. It really does give
> > something of a basic insight into taoism as it is, rather than surrounding
> > it in mystic mumbo jumbo in an attempt to preserve mystery.
>
> Oh it was a horribly adorable little synopsis, I just found the whole taoist
> "concept" mildly repugnant....
I will agree with you insofar as the adorability was distastefully high...
--
Jesse #1
The Derisives/Speakeasy Swingers
"Love doesn't ask to see your I.D."
--Adam Carrola
zabet
i'm reading two things at the moment:
-the new "book" issue of cometbus
- & chuck barris' autobiography!!! (he claims to
have been a hit-man for the CIA)
--zabet
--
"got a hole in my heart,
the size of my heart." -X
Bob G. Oblin
zabet {mic...@sirius.com} wrote:
> - & chuck barris' autobiography!!! (he claims to
> have been a hit-man for the CIA)
>
> --zabet
>
The only thing that man every hit was the GONG!
--
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PJ
ARE EVIL!
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BURN THEM, DESTROY THEM ALL
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Nraeha45
I just finished a book called "Born Fi' Dead" which is a journalistic histpry
of the rise to power of of the JLP and PNP in Jamaica . Vaguelu socialist and
Labouritte movements and their involvemebt in the rise in poverty, drugs and
murder in Jamaican culture here in teh states and in Jamaica. Pretty damned
dull read, but informative, And and a "Best of...." modern (pre 60's) short
stories which contained shorts by folks like, Conrad, Faulkner, Joyce, Kafka,
etc. But had my fave American "culture" short story "The Devil and Daniel
Webster" which I've probably read fifty times in my life. Tonight I may plow
through some more of a collection of 50's hardboiled detective mag stories.
Lali
Fyodor Karamazov
Jesse Staniforth wrote:
>
> Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> > Jesse Staniforth wrote:
> > write was done by William Faulkner. Cain wrote an awful lot of
> > non-*noir* stuff, too. Christ, I read an interview with him a while
> I read a bunch of essays on him, but I can't remember a damned
> thing. Have you ever come across a copy of Horace McCoy's THEY SHOOT
> HORSES, DON'T THEY?...
Isn't that out of print?
it's long out of print,
Nevr mind.
but it sounds SO cool. We
> were supposed to have read it for the class, but I never got down to the
> library for the rexserve copies.
Dunno. I heard it was a good movie...
>
> > back which specifically dealt with his screenwriting, but I can't seem
> > to remember a thing about it right now. Actually, our pal Jim Thompson
> > also did a lot of screenwriting: Stanley Kubrick was a great admirer of
> > his, and got him to write THE PATHS OF GLORY (which is *fucking great*)
> > and THE KILLING (which I haven't seen). I think he also might have
> > helped out on SPARTACUS too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one. He also
> > adapted his own novel, THE GETAWAY for the great Sam Peckinpah in the
> > ealy 1970s, which is also worth checking out (the film I mean; I'm not a
> > huge fan of the novel) even though a lot of people seem to not like it.
> I've seen part of The Getaway. T'was okay. I like Ali McGraw. But
> I'm not likely going to go digging for it... I'm seeing movies very slowly.
>
As long as I'm kind of drunk and in one of these kinda moods, I must
suggest, nay, command that you take the time to see EVERY SINGLE MOVIE
SAM PECKINPAH HAS EVER MADE. Really. You'll thank me. Start with THE
WILD BUNCH, move on to STRAW DOGS, and you'll know what to do from
there.
> > Fuck, that's one I've been telling myself to catch for a long time.
> > I've been a Robert Mitchum fan ever since I saw NIGHT OF THE HUNTER a
> > while back. I was pissed when he died this summer, because Jimmy
> > Stewart croaked exactly a day later and stole all the attention which
> > rightfully belonged to Mitchum. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy
> > Stewart and all, but Robert Mitchum is, like...ROBERT MITCHUM!! Isn't
> > Kirk Douglas in OUT OF THE PAST too? He's another one of my favorites -
> > again, check out PATHS OF GLORY and SPARTACUS to see why.
> Yep. Douglas is in it as a sort of villain. It's kind of grey as
> to who th evillain is (as I said, classic noir).
Hoo hoo! Coooooool!! I came *this close* to picking up OOTP at the
video store the other day, but I pussed out and grabbed CHIMES AT
MIDNIGHT, 'cause it was the only Orson Welles movie I hadn't seen. Hey,
he's the best filmmaker ever from Wisconsin!!
I too was bugged about
> the lack of coverage over Mitchum's death. He was a great. Not to say that
> Stewart wasn't....they both deserved their due.
Every Mitchum obit I saw was a sidebar in a larger Stewart obit.
Blah. Sorry, REAR WINDOW and VERTIGO and especially IT'S A WONDERFUL
LIFE and sundry other F. Capra films were great, but Robert Mitchum is
one of the great men of the 20th century. In my opinion.
>
> >> Ermf. I've never dug serious lit. I like beat writers, pulp, and
> >> all around bitterness. I'm jsut starting to move towards the older stuff.
> > If college lit courses have taught me anything at all, and I'd like to
> > think that they have, it's that you shouldn't be so quick to scoff at
> > low-brow stuff like...well, like the stuff you just mentioned. The only
> > reason there's any sort of distinction at all is so that professors and
> > pseudo-intellectuals can feel smart. I'm curious, though - what exactly
> > falls under the 'bitterness' category?
> Martin Amis, Will Self, Charles Bukowski.
Ahhh, Bukowski. A lot of people rip on him for being sexist and
immature and a only halfway decent writer, none of which are innaccurate
criticisms, but, FUCK THAT, I love the man. He's one of my three or
four favorite writers ever. He showed up at just the right time in my
life, and had an influence on me that not many others have had. Bob
bless him...
More when I find 'em. As
> for lowbrow, I don't mind, as long as it's good. The problem with the John
> Grishams is that it's just a formula. I don't dig that. I prefer to know
> about th epeople, not the scenes. More character, less action.
I s'pose I know what you mean. I've never had much respect for JG and
his ilk. Man, back in the day pulpy, vacuos, formulaic writers were a
lot better at their craft!! Their books made for better movies, too!
>
> > It's in southern Wisconsin. It sucks, which is too bad, because the
> > rest of the state is really nice.
> Hey, isn't that where the make the cheese?
Truth to tell, I think most of the US cheese that the world eats is
from Cali. Fuck CA, though - we brew the BEER.
>
> > Sure is - I was there a few years ago and dug it the most. The Expos
> > are one of my favorite baseball teams. Not only do they have to sing
> > *three* national anthems (unless they're playing the Blue Jays in the
> > Series (or interleague play)), not only are they perennial losers who
> > got screwed out of their one good season by the strike, not only are
> > they in the NL Central, my favorite divison, but they're managed by an
> > Alou. Nice record stores in Montreal, too. I got my copy of "Loaded"
> > there.
> Loaded by the Velvets? Don't have it. I should get it, but I'm
> broke.
Good record. Lou Reed only wrote two songs (oddly enough, the two
weakest songs on the record) (and one of the best ones (written by Doug
Yule) concerns Robert Mitchum!!), but it's stil worth owning.
I don't follow baseball, generally.
Yeah, well, I fucked up anyway. The Expos are in the NL East, not
Central. Go see one of their games and start an "ALOU! ALOU!" chant.
>
> > Substitute "overpriced" for "cheap", "dumbass sorority cretin" for "hep
> > looking chick", "North Face jacket and elevator shoes" for "guitar",
> > "scowled" for "smiled" and "going outside and keying the Mercedes that
> > her dad bought her" for "too hip for my own damn good", and you've got a
> > fairly accurate approxomation of what life in Madison is like.
> Oh, I see. I'm sorry to hear that. Why don't you move?
'Cause I'm stuck in school here. Don't get me wrong: the school is the
best, but the city fucking SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUX!!!!!!!!!!!! Hence, I can't
wait to leave. Never come to Madison if you can avoid it.
Victor Talbott
IVE BEEN LURCHING
I HAD TO COME OUT
TO TELL YOU
IM IN LOVE
VICTOR
Jesse Staniforth
Fyodor Karamazov (ja...@ass.com) writes:
> As long as I'm kind of drunk and in one of these kinda moods, I must
> suggest, nay, command that you take the time to see EVERY SINGLE MOVIE
> SAM PECKINPAH HAS EVER MADE. Really. You'll thank me. Start with THE
> WILD BUNCH, move on to STRAW DOGS, and you'll know what to do from
> there.
Having spent 5 years working in a video store, I don't watch too
many movies anymore (though I watched the first 15 minutes of an awful
porno called Satyr with my girlfriend and all of her roomates tonight.
Ugh). We didn't have TWB at the store, but we did have Straw Dogs... I
should really get around to seeing it. I want to see TWB sometime, but
it's not huge on my list of priorities. And it all totally depends on my
mood, which is often more spastic than that of severely hormonal or insane
people.
>> Yep. Douglas is in it as a sort of villain. It's kind of grey as
>> to who th evillain is (as I said, classic noir).
>
> Hoo hoo! Coooooool!! I came *this close* to picking up OOTP at the
> video store the other day, but I pussed out and grabbed CHIMES AT
> MIDNIGHT, 'cause it was the only Orson Welles movie I hadn't seen. Hey,
> he's the best filmmaker ever from Wisconsin!!
Never seen it. In fact, I've never seen<cringe> ANY Welles stuff.
I keep meaning to, but I never get around to it. I really want to see The
Third Man (and, CK, of course)...but I'm never quite in the mood.
> Every Mitchum obit I saw was a sidebar in a larger Stewart obit.
> Blah. Sorry, REAR WINDOW and VERTIGO and especially IT'S A WONDERFUL
> LIFE and sundry other F. Capra films were great, but Robert Mitchum is
> one of the great men of the 20th century. In my opinion.
Well, so was Jimmy. They should have given them BOTH their due. We
should have had, like, a moment of silence as a continent or something.
>> > pseudo-intellectuals can feel smart. I'm curious, though - what exactly
>> > falls under the 'bitterness' category?
>> Martin Amis, Will Self, Charles Bukowski.
>
> Ahhh, Bukowski. A lot of people rip on him for being sexist and
> immature and a only halfway decent writer, none of which are innaccurate
> criticisms, but, FUCK THAT, I love the man. He's one of my three or
> four favorite writers ever. He showed up at just the right time in my
> life, and had an influence on me that not many others have had. Bob
> bless him...
I love Buk. But only really his poetry. His poetry practically
makes me see god (which, of course, doesn't exist)... but I just finished
reading WOMEN, and was wholly unimpressed. It's just the same 8 page story
over and over like 50 times. But as for his poetry, he's my all time fave
poet. His perspective on humanity is the clearest I've seen. And I really
don't think he's sexist or immature. He lived his life, and that was it. I
was never struck in any of his stuff that he was a sexist (or, at least,
that his writing was sexist). All through Women he talks about what a
horrible person he is and such for wanting to have sex with all these
women... hell, that's almost emo!
>> for lowbrow, I don't mind, as long as it's good. The problem with the John
>> Grishams is that it's just a formula. I don't dig that. I prefer to know
>> about th epeople, not the scenes. More character, less action.
> I s'pose I know what you mean. I've never had much respect for JG and
> his ilk. Man, back in the day pulpy, vacuos, formulaic writers were a
> lot better at their craft!! Their books made for better movies, too!
Yeah, really. There are no good pulp writers nowadays. Which is
why I have to read Chandler, Hammett, Thompson, etc.
> Truth to tell, I think most of the US cheese that the world eats is
> from Cali. Fuck CA, though - we brew the BEER.
Ermf. Doesn't excite me. Boring ol' straightedge, me.
>> Loaded by the Velvets? Don't have it. I should get it, but I'm
>> broke.
> Good record. Lou Reed only wrote two songs (oddly enough, the two
> weakest songs on the record) (and one of the best ones (written by Doug
> Yule) concerns Robert Mitchum!!), but it's stil worth owning.
That's weird, man. I don't think I'd be up for a VU album that
wasn't wholly written by Lou. I mean, he WAS the band.
> Yeah, well, I fucked up anyway. The Expos are in the NL East, not
> Central. Go see one of their games and start an "ALOU! ALOU!" chant.
Er, maybe. I occasionally read about Alou in the Gazette, but they
never say anything interesting. Much like the rest of the paper.
> 'Cause I'm stuck in school here. Don't get me wrong: the school is the
> best, but the city fucking SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUX!!!!!!!!!!!! Hence, I can't
> wait to leave. Never come to Madison if you can avoid it.
Actually, if I do the x-country hitchhiking thing this summer, I may come
by and beg to sleep on your couch.
So there.
warui neko-chan
> > > > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > > > >
> > > > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> > > >
> > > > Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
> > >
> > > Soo da yo. Katakana da.
> >
> > Wakarimasita.
>
> Ja, boku to sekksu ga... ii?
Eetooooo... Watasi wa totemo isogasii desu yo. Ima wa ikimasu.
Sayoonara!
Jesse #1
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, warui neko-chan wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ninensei des, katchan...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Soo desu nee...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Watasi wa kyuu gatsu kara benkyoo site simasu...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Soo nee... Ja...
> > > > > > Boku to sekksu o shite kudasai
> > > > >
> > > > > Nan desu ka? That's not what it sounds like, is it?
> > > >
> > > > Soo da yo. Katakana da.
> > >
> > > Wakarimasita.
> >
> > Ja, boku to sekksu ga... ii?
>
> Eetooooo... Watasi wa totemo isogasii desu yo. Ima wa ikimasu.
> Sayoonara!
Motte yo! Boku wa motte iru yo
--
Jesse #1
The Derisives/Speakeasy Swingers
"Man, you need to get a shrink, Troy. First you're a homo, then you're
into getting handjobs from children, and now you're sporting wood for a
dead chick."
--The first bitchy then witty Joseph Selby
Fyodor Karamazov
mothra stewart wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> > MIDNIGHT, 'cause it was the only Orson Welles movie I hadn't seen. Hey,
> > he's the best filmmaker ever from Wisconsin!!
>
> hint: it has to do with marion davies (at least i think that's
> her name; you know, hearst's mistress?).
I always figured it was either a) an allusion to Welles' own life as a
child protegee to brilliant hot-shot young gun renaissance man. You
know, a rose bud = full of the promise of a fully developed, in bloom,
brilliant, beautiful flower. Or, b) Blowfly informs us in one of his
songs (pretty sure it's "Blowfly On Campus") that a rosebud is a
perfectly puckered butt-hole.
>
> > I don't follow baseball, generally.
>
> good for you. baseball is for communists.
BAH! Beats fucking FOOTBALL!
Fyodor Karamazov
Victor Talbott wrote:
>
>
> IVE BEEN LURCHING
> I HAD TO COME OUT
> TO TELL YOU
> IM IN LOVE
> VICTOR
I'm in love with your mom.
PJ
> nope. allegedly it was his nickname for marion's clitoris.
> you know, like a lovebud. eep.
>
>> > > I don't follow baseball, generally.
>> >
>> > good for you. baseball is for communists.
>>
>> BAH! Beats fucking FOOTBALL!
>
> yeah, but hockey's cooler than both of them.
>
>
>katia.
Ice Hockey is the only *REAL* sport. Everything else is for wimps..
- PJ winner of the what?