how convenient (even handy!) these terms/(tools) are becoming!
it seems that anybody with a persuasive enough reason and significant social resources can (and easily, i'm finding) quite efficiently set somebody up for any number of social and emotional debacles and then sweep the ensuing freak-out on the part of the subject under the rug as paranoid schizophrenia or some other 'delusion of reference' that needs *immediate* medication, thereby slating this individual for an imminent entry TO and subsequent life path THROUGH our oh so humane and considerate mental health system.
pardon the run-on.
(this is of course is said not without my own personal trials along the same lines and admittedly it is tinged with my own bit of current discontent; again, pardon)
and apparently, it doesn't matter if this person has ever demonstrated behaviour similar to the freak-out or not. apparently it doesn't matter what sort of career you've created for yourself nor what it is you find gives your life the most passion and meaning. none of this counts for squat once the label has been Licked and Stamped(TM). whether your 25 or 34 (like myself), it's a terribly easy thing to accomplish from certain cultural/societal vantage points i'm finding.
but jimminy crickets! how and why is such a thing tolerated and why have the very vocal opponents of biological-psychiatry and rampant/wreckless application of mental diagnosis' been so unsuccessful in making this issue more of a social concern, currently, than it is?
i cannot comment on the 'controlling via tooth implants' bit, nor do i flatly deny or confirm the possibility of such things ... but certainly the tendency to label as psychotic and subsequently dose the poor sod up on god knows what sort of medication seems to be a fairly predominate and increasing phenomenon in our culture.
then again, granted, in this and in all things .... i could simply be delusional.
------------------------ some finer points made: ------------------------
> Allard K. Lowenstein > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > Member of Congress
> Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > 1980.
> Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > of insanity.
> Allard K. Lowenstein > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > Member of Congress
> Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > 1980.
> Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > of insanity.
"joel harris" <toothandn...@perfectlyprivate.net> wrote in news:a7g5o6$di5 $...@nsnmpen1-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> Who is Torry?
That's E. Fuller Torrey - a fanatical pshrink who heads up a NAMI spin-off organization called the 'Treatment Advocacy Centre'. This is a lobbying org. which basically is seeking changes to the law that will give psychiatrists unlimited powers to lock people up and 'treat' them against their wishes. (A thing they refer to as 'assisted treatment'). This guy's a dangerous control-freak and needs to be opposed vigorously.
n...@spam.here wrote in message <news:Xns91D9A7E91EAA3X@142.77.1.194>... > "joel harris" <toothandn...@perfectlyprivate.net> wrote in news:a7g5o6$di5 > $...@nsnmpen1-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> > Who is Torry?
> That's E. Fuller Torrey - a fanatical pshrink who heads up a NAMI spin-off > organization called the 'Treatment Advocacy Centre'. This is a lobbying > org. which basically is seeking changes to the law that will give > psychiatrists unlimited powers to lock people up and 'treat' them against > their wishes. (A thing they refer to as 'assisted treatment'). This guy's a > dangerous control-freak and needs to be opposed vigorously.
It's when they start manufacturing the problems they claim to be attempting to solve that we move from control freak to state sponsored criminal.
> how convenient (even handy!) these terms/(tools) are > becoming!
> it seems that anybody with a persuasive enough > reason and significant social resources can > (and easily, i'm finding) quite efficiently set > somebody up for any number of social and emotional > debacles and then sweep the ensuing freak-out > on the part of the subject under the rug as paranoid > schizophrenia or some other 'delusion of reference' > that needs *immediate* medication, thereby slating > this individual for an imminent entry TO and subsequent > life path THROUGH our oh so humane and considerate > mental health system.
> pardon the run-on.
> (this is of course is said not without my own personal > trials along the same lines and admittedly it is tinged > with my own bit of current discontent; again, pardon)
> and apparently, it doesn't matter if this person > has ever demonstrated behaviour similar to > the freak-out or not. apparently it doesn't > matter what sort of career you've created for > yourself nor what it is you find gives your life > the most passion and meaning. none of this counts > for squat once the label has been Licked and Stamped(TM). > whether your 25 or 34 (like myself), it's a terribly > easy thing to accomplish from certain cultural/societal > vantage points i'm finding.
> but jimminy crickets! how and why is such a > thing tolerated and why have the very vocal opponents > of biological-psychiatry and rampant/wreckless > application of mental diagnosis' been so unsuccessful > in making this issue more of a social concern, currently, > than it is?
> i cannot comment on the 'controlling via tooth implants' > bit, nor do i flatly deny or confirm the possibility of > such things ... but certainly the tendency to label as psychotic > and subsequently dose the poor sod up on god knows > what sort of medication seems to be a fairly predominate > and increasing phenomenon in our culture.
> then again, granted, in this and in all things .... > i could simply be delusional.
> ------------------------ > some finer points made: > ------------------------
> > Allard K. Lowenstein > > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > > Member of Congress
> > Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > > 1980.
> > Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > > of insanity.
> > Allard K. Lowenstein > > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > > Member of Congress
> > Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > > 1980.
> > Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > > of insanity.
Because people have insurance and insurance companies will not pay unless there is a diagnosis. furthermore, insurance companies will not pay for any or all of the diagnosis. A clinitian must diagnose a client with a diagnosis that the insurance company will pay for or there will be no cash for treatment.
In cases where clients have lots of money, there is often no diagnosis made or the diagnosis is mild. With clients that rely on insurance, the diagnosis is pumped up so that fees can be collected.
If you are not aware, insurance companies pay very little for services. By increasing the diagnosis the therapist not only insures payment but insures a longer term of treatment as well. (Welcome to the teal world!)
> > how convenient (even handy!) these terms/(tools) are > > becoming!
> > it seems that anybody with a persuasive enough > > reason and significant social resources can > > (and easily, i'm finding) quite efficiently set > > somebody up for any number of social and emotional > > debacles and then sweep the ensuing freak-out > > on the part of the subject under the rug as paranoid > > schizophrenia or some other 'delusion of reference' > > that needs *immediate* medication, thereby slating > > this individual for an imminent entry TO and subsequent > > life path THROUGH our oh so humane and considerate > > mental health system.
> > pardon the run-on.
> > (this is of course is said not without my own personal > > trials along the same lines and admittedly it is tinged > > with my own bit of current discontent; again, pardon)
> > and apparently, it doesn't matter if this person > > has ever demonstrated behaviour similar to > > the freak-out or not. apparently it doesn't > > matter what sort of career you've created for > > yourself nor what it is you find gives your life > > the most passion and meaning. none of this counts > > for squat once the label has been Licked and Stamped(TM). > > whether your 25 or 34 (like myself), it's a terribly > > easy thing to accomplish from certain cultural/societal > > vantage points i'm finding.
> > but jimminy crickets! how and why is such a > > thing tolerated and why have the very vocal opponents > > of biological-psychiatry and rampant/wreckless > > application of mental diagnosis' been so unsuccessful > > in making this issue more of a social concern, currently, > > than it is?
> > i cannot comment on the 'controlling via tooth implants' > > bit, nor do i flatly deny or confirm the possibility of > > such things ... but certainly the tendency to label as psychotic > > and subsequently dose the poor sod up on god knows > > what sort of medication seems to be a fairly predominate > > and increasing phenomenon in our culture.
> > then again, granted, in this and in all things .... > > i could simply be delusional.
> > > Allard K. Lowenstein > > > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > > > Member of Congress
> > > Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > > > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > > > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > > > 1980.
> > > Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > > > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > > > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > > > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > > > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > > > of insanity.
> > > Allard K. Lowenstein > > > [Private First Class, United States Army ] > > > Member of Congress
> > > Born in Newark, New Jersey, on January 16, 1929, he was serving as a > > > Congressman from New York City when he was shot to death in his NYC > > > law offices by Dennis Sweeney, a former acquaintance on March 14, > > > 1980.
> > > Sweeney, a civil rights volunteer in Lewenstein's voter registration > > > drives in Mississippi in the mid-1960s, pumped five bullets into the > > > congressman. During his trial, he testified that Lowenstein and others > > > controlled him through radio receivers planted in his teeth. He was > > > diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and found not guilty by reason > > > of insanity.
"Anybody they don't like" is already taken. The diagnosis for not being liked is "Consensual Validation Disorder" (found in The Journal of Polymorphic Perversity - yes there is such a journal, and it is a satirical mag aimed at the psychiatric profession)
Check out these 12 step wackos, talk about mind control and coersion. Coming to a theatre near you, if they haven't already. It will give you just a taste of how full-of-own-wisdom the recovery community has become. I've had loads of experinece with these zealots, and their entire slant on life involves the unwavering believe that everyone is just another walking disease waiting to be discovered. These people and others like them will be more than pleased to manufacture a problem for you should you not have one they can easily identify. Keep coming back. If it doesn't get you, we will. A few 12 step meetings, a couple of credit courses in Psychology and you can easily have a full blown monstrocity on your hands. And no, they don't police themselves what-so-ever. Organize a few of these monstrocities into a pressure group with political connections and it's all over but for the crying. Dope 'em Danno, that's if he lives that long. The more industrious recovery zealots, ambulance chasers and bleeding deacons will attack these statements by reminding everyone how much good the industry has done. My response to this is, so what! It's time to clean up your own closet. I don't think you can stuff too many more skeletons in there and besides, the smell is getting plain obnoxious. BTW the US Recovery Industry must have made a ran for the valium bottle when Ontario cut off the OHIP $$$ pipe line. This meant the enacting of much more creative methods to soak those insurance dollars out of the Province and elsewhere, hense the proliferation of certain specialty kinds of tech. Those US rehab centre head hunters and spin doctors that used to haunt 12 step meetings in the Province disappeared like mushrooms exposed to sunlight once the $$$ dried up. If they tell you it isn't about money then believe me it's about money. Once the money evaporates, they evaporate within a couple of days, tops.
Hint - The latest scam that's being proliferated by these zealots is the universal idea that certain large segments of the population need to drugged out of their minds in order to protect them from getting drugged out of their minds. These same zealots will go to any lengths to make sure this is so. When I say any lengths, I mean any lengths.
n...@spam.here wrote in message <news:Xns91D9A7E91EAA3X@142.77.1.194>... > "joel harris" <toothandn...@perfectlyprivate.net> wrote in news:a7g5o6$di5 > $...@nsnmpen1-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> > Who is Torry?
> That's E. Fuller Torrey - a fanatical pshrink who heads up a NAMI spin-off > organization called the 'Treatment Advocacy Centre'. This is a lobbying > org. which basically is seeking changes to the law that will give > psychiatrists unlimited powers to lock people up and 'treat' them against > their wishes. (A thing they refer to as 'assisted treatment'). This guy's a > dangerous control-freak and needs to be opposed vigorously.
if you only knew how close to the mark you are with:
> These people and others like them will be more than pleased > to manufacture a problem for you should you not have one they > can easily identify. Keep coming back. If it doesn't get you, we will.
fucking funny as shit; i almost fell out of my chair.
unlike yourself, however, i can't denounce the 12 step thing altogether; i've seen some folks who desperately needed brainwashing get the brainwashing they needed there. brainwashing isn't altogether bad. it's the way we learn any new thing afterall, be it at our own hands or with a little help from others.
but when the groups become a militia of sorts ... when they see an ex 12 stepper handling his/her drink quite well ... even casually and in a very manageable way ... and when they conspire to make said individuals *look* like much the worse person/drinker than they are (by fabricating the appearance of Black Outs(tm), by front loading street theater participants with the inclination to make Claims of Aberrant Behaviour(tm), or simply lying about a persons use of other mind altering substances) ... then, something has gone REALLY WRONG with their fraternity. a potentially good thing is then turned into exactly the opposite of the tenets they lift up and espouse (honesty, integrity, selflessness, etc.). it's an amazing spectacle of herd insanity, would be fun to study and deconstruct if it wasn't so terrifying of a thing to deal with.
again, personally, i don't think 12 step programs are all bad. when they're truly on the mark with compassion, integrity and kindness ... they shine very bright in my opinion.
> Check out these 12 step wackos, talk about mind control and coersion. > Coming to a theatre near you, if they haven't already. It will give > you just > a taste of how full-of-own-wisdom the recovery community has become. > I've had > loads of experinece with these zealots, and their entire slant on life > involves the unwavering believe that everyone is just another walking > disease waiting to be discovered. These people and others like them > will be more than pleased to manufacture a problem for you should you > not have one they can easily identify. Keep coming back. If it doesn't > get you, we will. > A few 12 step meetings, a couple of credit courses in Psychology and > you can easily have a full blown monstrocity on your hands. And no, > they don't police themselves what-so-ever. Organize a few of these > monstrocities into a pressure group with political connections and > it's all over but for the crying. > Dope 'em Danno, that's if he lives that long. The more industrious > recovery zealots, ambulance chasers and bleeding deacons will attack > these statements by reminding everyone how much good the industry has > done. My response to this is, so what! It's time to clean up your own > closet. I don't think you can stuff too > many more skeletons in there and besides, the smell is getting plain > obnoxious. BTW the US Recovery Industry must have made a ran for the > valium bottle when Ontario cut off the OHIP $$$ pipe line. This meant > the enacting of much more creative methods to soak those insurance > dollars out of the Province and elsewhere, hense the proliferation of > certain specialty kinds of tech. > Those US rehab centre head hunters and spin doctors that used to haunt > 12 step meetings in the Province disappeared like mushrooms exposed to > sunlight once the $$$ dried up. If they tell you it isn't about money > then believe me it's about money. Once the money evaporates, they > evaporate within a couple of days, tops.
> Hint - The latest scam that's being proliferated by these zealots is > the universal idea that certain large segments of the population need > to drugged out of their minds in order to protect them from getting > drugged out of their minds. These same zealots will go to any lengths > to make sure this is so. > When I say any lengths, I mean any lengths.
> n...@spam.here wrote in message <news:Xns91D9A7E91EAA3X@142.77.1.194>... > > "joel harris" <toothandn...@perfectlyprivate.net> wrote in news:a7g5o6$di5 > > $...@nsnmpen1-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> > > Who is Torry?
> > That's E. Fuller Torrey - a fanatical pshrink who heads up a NAMI spin-off > > organization called the 'Treatment Advocacy Centre'. This is a lobbying > > org. which basically is seeking changes to the law that will give > > psychiatrists unlimited powers to lock people up and 'treat' them against > > their wishes. (A thing they refer to as 'assisted treatment'). This guy's a > > dangerous control-freak and needs to be opposed vigorously.
I just had to respond to this one! I found out that the head of a teaching hospital has been accused on numerous occasions of patient abuse. He's done a brilliant spin on the people who have accused him and if you look him up on www.ama-assn.org, you will find that he doesn't have one infraction listed on his record. What we need is more shrinks like this who can run out of control in our society and molest the hell out of innocent sick people! Predators like him exist in all forms in our society, but that means we should do more to WEED them out, not give them more power. Psychiatry needs a major overhaul. When 2/3rds of the profession is sick themselves, that leaves very few sane people to take care of the sick. Of course, I won't include his name here for obvious reasons.
> Check out these 12 step wackos, talk about mind control and coersion. > Coming to a theatre near you, if they haven't already. It will give > you just > a taste of how full-of-own-wisdom the recovery community has become. > I've had > loads of experinece with these zealots, and their entire slant on life > involves the unwavering believe that everyone is just another walking > disease waiting to be discovered. These people and others like them > will be more than pleased to manufacture a problem for you should you > not have one they can easily identify. Keep coming back. If it doesn't > get you, we will. > A few 12 step meetings, a couple of credit courses in Psychology and > you can easily have a full blown monstrocity on your hands. And no, > they don't police themselves what-so-ever. Organize a few of these > monstrocities into a pressure group with political connections and > it's all over but for the crying. > Dope 'em Danno, that's if he lives that long. The more industrious > recovery zealots, ambulance chasers and bleeding deacons will attack > these statements by reminding everyone how much good the industry has > done. My response to this is, so what! It's time to clean up your own > closet. I don't think you can stuff too > many more skeletons in there and besides, the smell is getting plain > obnoxious. BTW the US Recovery Industry must have made a ran for the > valium bottle when Ontario cut off the OHIP $$$ pipe line. This meant > the enacting of much more creative methods to soak those insurance > dollars out of the Province and elsewhere, hense the proliferation of > certain specialty kinds of tech. > Those US rehab centre head hunters and spin doctors that used to haunt > 12 step meetings in the Province disappeared like mushrooms exposed to > sunlight once the $$$ dried up. If they tell you it isn't about money > then believe me it's about money. Once the money evaporates, they > evaporate within a couple of days, tops.
> Hint - The latest scam that's being proliferated by these zealots is > the universal idea that certain large segments of the population need > to drugged out of their minds in order to protect them from getting > drugged out of their minds. These same zealots will go to any lengths > to make sure this is so. > When I say any lengths, I mean any lengths.
> n...@spam.here wrote in message <news:Xns91D9A7E91EAA3X@142.77.1.194>... > > "joel harris" <toothandn...@perfectlyprivate.net> wrote in news:a7g5o6$di5 > > $...@nsnmpen1-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> > > Who is Torry?
> > That's E. Fuller Torrey - a fanatical pshrink who heads up a NAMI spin-off > > organization called the 'Treatment Advocacy Centre'. This is a lobbying > > org. which basically is seeking changes to the law that will give > > psychiatrists unlimited powers to lock people up and 'treat' them against > > their wishes. (A thing they refer to as 'assisted treatment'). This guy's a > > dangerous control-freak and needs to be opposed vigorously.
