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M Winther

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Sep 18, 2008, 7:53:43 AM9/18/08
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At Uppsala University, Sweden, researches into prejudicial bigotry has
revealed that women are unconsciously more bigoted than men. In one
experiment men and women had to watch films which portrayed crime
situations. The women tended to point out the "wog" although it wasn't
him. The researcher said that the results were depressing. They
explained it as instances of unconscious racism, i.e. the women were
politically correct and fully tolerant to immigration in their
conscious standpoint, whereas the men were generally more critical in
their outlook.

The conclusion was that people who are politically correct tend to be
unconsciously prejudicial. This is much more dangerous to the
immigrant because he risks being pointed out as a criminal, or his job
application risks being sorted out. On the other hand, people who have
a critical outlook on reality (typically men) do not tend to fool
themselves by unconsciously treating the subject badly.

The upshot of the matter is that the women's parents, and themselves,
are surprisingly unprejudiced against "wogs", and that's precisely the
reason why they are prejudiced against "wogs", anyway, however
unconsciously. Sweden is an unprejudiced country, on the surface, that
is. That's why it's so hard for immigrants to get a job, etc. So watch
out for unprejudiced people, because they are prejudiced in a very
dangerous way, namely unconsciously. Similarly, women should watch out
for those men who have an uncritical attitude towards womankind,
because they are likely to damage women unconsciously.

The experiment is an eye-opener to all those people who lack the
notion of an unconscious. It its existence. It also confirms what
Freud and Jung never tired of explaining, namely that one's conscious
standpoint is seldom equal to one's truthful standpoint. Just because
you say you're an anti-racialist doesn't mean that you are one. I
don't remember the name of that politician in the US who recently was
caught with a prostitute although he had worked against prostitution
and made himself a name thanks to his relentless work against
immorality. It's so very typical.

So I think these little experiments are important, although I learn
nothing new from them, myself. It is remarkable how hard this
realization comes, also to intellectuals, that there exists an
unconscious containing a different viewpoint. I think it's that old
instinct of "not speaking about the devil", while it might generate
social upheaval. So the underlying reason why also intelligent people
refuse the realization of the unconscious might be grounded in the
instincts.

Mats Winther


Day Brown

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Sep 18, 2008, 3:40:13 PM9/18/08
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Swedish liberalism is challenged by the data on the Saami and Muslim
immigrants, who both have high rates of abuse, divorce, alcoholism, etc,
and low rates of education and income.

The Swedes are the descendants of Yeoman farmers, these others are not.
They dont have the same instinctive behavior patterns. Swedish women
find their intuitive body language skill is less reliable with these
men, and that makes them nervous.

dan...@rocketmail.com

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Sep 18, 2008, 7:47:59 PM9/18/08
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On Sep 18, 4:53 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> At Uppsala University, Sweden, researches into prejudicial bigotry has
> revealed that women are unconsciously more bigoted than men. In one
> experiment men and women had to watch films which portrayed crime
> situations. The women tended to point out the "wog" although it wasn't
> him. The researcher said that the results were depressing. They
> explained it as instances of unconscious racism, i.e. the women were
> politically correct and fully tolerant to immigration in their
> conscious standpoint, whereas the men were generally more critical in
> their outlook.
>
> The conclusion was that people who are politically correct tend to be
> unconsciously prejudicial. This is much more dangerous to the
> immigrant because he risks being pointed out as a criminal, or his job
> application risks being sorted out. On the other hand, people who have
> a critical outlook on reality (typically men) do not tend to fool
> themselves by unconsciously treating the subject badly...

So what do you propose? Does the entire population of Sweden need to
be sentenced to Tolerance Camp for re-education? Usually it is the
leftwad PC crowd that demands "counseling" for those who disagree with
them, so it is amusing that they themselves might be guilty of
thoughtcrime and in need of counseling.

Also, why are you singling out Swedes for their unconscious
prejudices? Are the immigrants free of such biases? How intolerant
are Swedes compared to the people in the immigrants' homelands? Many
of the immigrants come from war-torn hellholes, yet no mention is made
of the intolerance in those countries. If a Swede were to emigrate to
Somalia or Sudan, what kind of employment or housing discrimination
might he or she face there? Should all genocidal Sudanese be shipped
off to Tolerance Camp, or is re-education only for Swedes who lie
about some of their best friends being black?


M Winther

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:23:40 AM9/19/08
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Immigrants to Sweden are as a rule very prejudiced. They are often
terrified of Swedes and refuse to live where there are many Swedes. They
are afraid to turn their back to Swedes because they have a fear of being
attacked. The Africans are usually most primitive in this respect. That's why
they keep to themselves, huddling up against each other. It portrays the
nature of humanity, at a level in their psyche they are like animals in the
djungle. But we refuse to see this because we think we are "civilised."

Mats

M Winther

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:26:04 AM9/19/08
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70% of the immigrants from Irak (which are very many in Sweden) live on
welfare. They won't move to the areas where there are jobs. Certain of
them can't take simple jobs because it's unworthy.

Mats

yeuypga1

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Sep 19, 2008, 7:38:37 AM9/19/08
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Speaking of unconscious prejudice, my allegations are far more profound.

This is a hypothetical dialogue, between analyst and non-sheepish patient, purportedly
one of many *forced* interviews, mandated by any of various authorities under any of
various circumstances, too numerous to list each possibility:

Psychiatrist to patient Joe: Please fill out this lengthy form
Patient Joe: I don't fill out forms; I know all too well of your corruptions; if
there's something you want to know, ask me
doc: What's your name?
joe: What's it to you?
doc: I need it for my records
joe: It carries no weight in gauging a person's competence
doc: Agreed
joe: Then I needn't supply it
doc: I still need it for my records
joe: That only tells me where you'll store the info; I still need to know how it
factors in; I know all too well of your corruptions
doc: It's a marker, is all
joe: It betrays my national origin, and you might harbor personal prejudices against
one or another nationality; I know all too well of your corruptions
doc: The State requires me to collect and store this info up front; it won't prejudice
me, since I am 100% professionally detached and 1000% pure of heart
joe: Sure; I know all too well of your corruptions; and I don't think the State makes
it its business to interlope between doctor and patient. You claim it's the Law, but
cite that law, chapter and verse, or show it to me from a law book
doc: I haven't that available
joe: Then you can just forget about collecting extraneous personal info about me! Ask
me a question that tends to differentiate the sane from the not-so-sane, and I'll
answer
doc: [asks questions presumptively indicative of mental competence eg. "name the last
5 US presidents" and "count backward by 7's from 98", etcetera]
joe: [answers all of doc's questions with perfect accuracy, and then says] Then I'm
okay and I can go home now, knowing that you awarded me a clean bill of health?
doc: No, it's not that simple; I have many many more inquiries
joe: I know all too well of your corruptions, so you can take your filthy lying
inquest and you can stick it where the Sun don't shine!
doc: Oh, you're definitely a whack job; a hopeless case in fact; and I'm writing you
up as such!


ETCETERA


Day Brown

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Sep 19, 2008, 2:21:50 PM9/19/08
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M Winther wrote:
> 70% of the immigrants from Irak (which are very many in Sweden) live on
> welfare. They won't move to the areas where there are jobs. Certain of
> them can't take simple jobs because it's unworthy.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali in "Infidel" writes of the same problem in Holland. They
wont do tulip, or any other kind, of field work. They only wanna raise
camels. Course, if they went back to the old country, they'd be tortured
and killed belonging to the wrong factions.

Psychology and sociology better pull their heads out of the politically
correct sand, or racist demagogues will take over political systems to
solve these problems in more expedient and bloody ways.

Day Brown

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Sep 19, 2008, 10:26:53 PM9/19/08
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M Winther wrote:
> Immigrants to Sweden are as a rule very prejudiced. They are often
> terrified of Swedes and refuse to live where there are many Swedes. They
> are afraid to turn their back to Swedes because they have a fear of being
> attacked. The Africans are usually most primitive in this respect.
> That's why
> they keep to themselves, huddling up against each other. It portrays the
> nature of humanity, at a level in their psyche they are like animals in the
> djungle. But we refuse to see this because we think we are "civilised."
Well, Mat, we are civilized. Early Tocharian and Chou documents are
instructive. Here we see Aryans and Chinese meet and do business with
each other, even immigrate and marry into each other's families, yet the
DNA looks to be just as different between these two races as it is for
each and the other barbarian cultures they both came in contact with.

And while they treated each other with mutual respect despite the
obvious physical differences, they had a mutual opinion of the
barbarians and their habit of banditry and thievery of horses and cattle.

Whereas both Chinese and Aryan cultures had long agrarian traditions,
their common enemies were hunters and nomads, with a very different
instinct regarding resources. With the farmers, the land and the crops
represented a lot of personal effort, whereas with the latter, it was
all free range there for the taking.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in "Infidel" reports how the Muslim immigrants to
Holland presented similar problems. They disdained tulip, or any other
kind of field work as fit only for slaves. What they only really wanted
to do was raise camels. They, like the Mongolians, had an instinct for
stock breeding; anything else was too much work. As a result, they dont
fit well into the modern world. The Aryans and Chinese do; they both
have been in business for thousands of years.

Hominids inherit behavior patterns and preferences the same as any other
mammalian species.

Day Brown

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Sep 19, 2008, 10:40:23 PM9/19/08
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I looked forward to a pair of studies by German and Swedish socilogists
of minorities thinking there'd be less bias. But I saw all the same
statistics- high rates of substance and sexual abuse, violent assault,
and divorce with all the same low rates of education and income. They
also reported the males wore ostentatious wardrobes, walked with what
we'd call a 'barrio swagger', and as above, had trouble with authority
figures.

Only problem is, they were reporting on the Saami and Gypsie, who are
just as white as I am. Clearly, skin color is not determinant. What is,
if you look it up, is that while all other Native European tribes
evolved in agrarian villages over the course of the last 10,000 years,
these two genetic lines were nomads. And they have very different
attitudes twards perceived outsiders and all outside resources. Which
they regard as free range.

When Jared Diamond followed a New Guinea highlander into the jungle, he
heard the man expound for hours, drawing on an encyclopedic database in
his head to recite the minutia on each sample of flora and fauna
encountered. When Diamond cannot remember this back in the village, they
think he is retarded. Yet the same men cannot handle simple algebra.

Just who is stupid here? As it is, the transnationals, governments, and
academic institutions all value linear logic. They have written, and now
computer, databases to keep track of trivia. They are the ones who
designed the IQ test, which is a measure of the ability to fit into
their power structures. The Native hunters dont fit. Its not prejudice,
its just they are not adapted for it.

Putting them in schools is frustrating, makes them angry, and violent.
We need ways to value what they are, and quit trying to make them what
they are not.

yeuypga1

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Sep 20, 2008, 8:45:27 AM9/20/08
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"Day Brown" <dayb...@daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:48d4627d$0$26776$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...

> yeuypga1 wrote:
>> Speaking of unconscious prejudice, my allegations are far more profound.
>>
>> This is a hypothetical dialogue, between analyst and non-sheepish patient,
>> purportedly one of many *forced* interviews, mandated by any of various authorities
>> under any of various circumstances, too numerous to list each possibility:
>> ...
>>
> ...But I saw all the same statistics- high rates of substance and sexual abuse,
> violent assault, and divorce with all the same low rates of education and income.
> They also reported the males wore ostentatious wardrobes, walked with what we'd call
> a 'barrio swagger', and as above, had trouble with authority figures.
> ...
> Just who is stupid here? ... Its not prejudice, its just they are not adapted for
> it.
>
> Putting them in schools is frustrating, makes them angry, and violent. We need ways
> to value what they are, and quit trying to make them what they are not.

Awww, that's rather lamentable that Homo Sapiens worldwide have what-you-call
"trouble" with what-you-call "authority figures". Maybe that's because they rightly
perceive that, any longer, you so-called "authoritiy figures" are wearing The
Emporer's New Clothes, if you get my meaning. Humanists dress themselves up in all
manner of ostentation, though it isn't the material or color or design of their
wardrobes to which I refer. Common folks hate you because you (tacitly) claim to be
the chosen/select and you surely act as if the Christ is going to come down any second
now and plant a great big gold star on each of your foreheads to signify what an
outstanding job you've done -- uh, keeping the rabble in check. My my, do I know all
too well of your corruptions.

Haughty in any other language is still haughty. "Barrio swagger", my butt!


dan...@rocketmail.com

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Sep 22, 2008, 1:25:23 PM9/22/08
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On Sep 18, 9:23 pm, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote...
> Immigrants to Sweden are as a rule very prejudiced...

But that is just your opinion based on anecdotal evidence, because
there is no expensive study to determine ethnic bias among non-white
immigrants. The fact that Swedes or other Europeans aren't 100%
tolerant is intolerable to the researchers, but intolerance among non-
Europeans is just fine or at least ignored.

And the researchers never bothered to ask why moozlums continue to
immigrate to a country whose natives are so biased against them. They
could stay in their izlamist homelands and be free of racial
discrimination, but for some reason they want to move to racist
Sweden. The same thing happens here in the USA, where racist white
Americans are building a wall to keep out all the brown Mexicans who
are trying to escape their tolerant and non-biased nation. We're so
oppressive that Mexicans risk death crossing rivers and deserts trying
to enter our country just so they can be our slaves.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"[Leftists] SAY they hate the West because it is warlike,
imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same
faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the
leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points
out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in
Western civilization..."
-- The Unabomber Manifesto

dan...@rocketmail.com

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dan...@rocketmail.com

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Sep 25, 2008, 1:47:24 PM9/25/08
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On Sep 18, 4:53 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> At Uppsala University, Sweden, researches into prejudicial bigotry has
> revealed that women are unconsciously more bigoted than men. In one
> experiment men and women had to watch films which portrayed crime
> situations. The women tended to point out the "wog" although it wasn't
> him. The researcher said that the results were depressing. They
> explained it as instances of unconscious racism, i.e. the women were
> politically correct and fully tolerant to immigration in their
> conscious standpoint, whereas the men were generally more critical in
> their outlook.
>
> The conclusion was that people who are politically correct tend to be
> unconsciously prejudicial. This is much more dangerous to the
> immigrant because he risks being pointed out as a criminal, or his job
> application risks being sorted out. On the other hand, people who have
> a critical outlook on reality (typically men) do not tend to fool
> themselves by unconsciously treating the subject badly...

Don't the researchers suffer from an unconscious bias that causes them
to conduct studies to quantify the level of bias among Swedes while
refusing to conduct similar studies of bias among non-Swedes? For
example, are there any statistics regarding discrimination against
Swedes who apply for jobs at Somali-owned businesses? Are Somali
immigrants more inclined to assume an unseen assailant is a white
Swede rather than a member of his own ethnic community? It is safe to
say that no such studies have ever been conducted and they never will
be, because the results would be condemned as racist (to suggest that
non-whites are racist is racist), and the researchers would be
denounced as heretics and crucified by their peers.


dan...@rocketmail.com

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Sep 25, 2008, 1:48:22 PM9/25/08
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On Sep 18, 4:53 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> At Uppsala University, Sweden, researches into prejudicial bigotry has
> revealed that women are unconsciously more bigoted than men. In one
> experiment men and women had to watch films which portrayed crime
> situations. The women tended to point out the "wog" although it wasn't
> him. The researcher said that the results were depressing. They
> explained it as instances of unconscious racism, i.e. the women were
> politically correct and fully tolerant to immigration in their
> conscious standpoint, whereas the men were generally more critical in
> their outlook.
>
> The conclusion was that people who are politically correct tend to be
> unconsciously prejudicial. This is much more dangerous to the
> immigrant because he risks being pointed out as a criminal, or his job
> application risks being sorted out. On the other hand, people who have
> a critical outlook on reality (typically men) do not tend to fool

Day Brown

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Sep 25, 2008, 10:09:16 PM9/25/08
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Let me take this opportunity to agree. Read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's "Infidel"
about life in East Africa, and see racism in action, up close, resulting
in mutilation and death. These candy ass Swedish sociologists have no
idea what racism really is.

Or sexism. Ayaan describes how they perform clitorectomies on little
girls. To expect these jackasses to move to Europe and suddenly become
civilized is delusional.

M Winther

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Sep 27, 2008, 6:01:56 AM9/27/08
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The research result is equally valid for immigrants. I heard immigrant youths
on Swedish radio say that 9/11 was a good thing, it's only sad that so many
people had to die.

A modern consciousness demands critical thinking. Like the Uppsala
research has shown, it's better to be consciously critical than
unconsciously bigoted. As the researched showed, the male is more
prone to critical thinking. While women are more unconscious than men,
they are very prone to hasty judgement about people. This is a factor
you see also in the different races. The more primitive an ethnic
group is, the more suspicious about strangers, and the more prone to
prejudiced and hasty judgement, when their own unconscious is
projected. People at a higher level of consciousness remain more aloof
from reality and can rationalize about it without falling prey to
unconscious emotions. So, in the hysterical quality of womankind we
see a primitive streak, not unlike the typical African
apprehensiveness.

I am not being emotional about it, these are mere thoughts that are
meant to be criticized, and corrected, too. On the other hand, a person
overtaken by emotionality cannot be criticized or corrected, as every
man knows who has related to women, not only in homes but at
workplaces, too.

The collective of womankind is a sea of unconsciousness. In the
ongoing integration of womankind into civil society we also see a
lowering of conscious level, an adjustment to the feminine level.
There are many exceptions, of course, but the general picture is that
the level of consciousness is on the decline. In the Swedish
parliament there are certain women whose capacity of reasoning must be
branded as childish. This has been noted by critics, and a certain
woman has been called "the advocate of political infantilism".

You get a similar result if you were to introduce Africans to the
parliament, while they are generally more primitive and naive in their
thinking. Recently, in Kinshasa, Congo, the police had detained
several goats that had been illegaly sold by the wayside. The goats
were awaiting sentence in jail when they were discovered by the
Justice Minister ( http://tinyurl.com/4wwyhj ). So what will happen to
Western society when, as a result of multiculturalism and feminism,
consciousness abates and gives way to naivete? It is a serious problem
and a cause for concern.

When society becomes more vulgar and unconscious, narcissistic white
men will rise to power. The worst case scenario is the Mussolini type.
Then the white male of a refined consciousness has lost the battle
against the narcissistic man, much thanks to the naive consciousness
of womankind and of immigrants. Then we stand at the edge of the
abyss. I have written about my misgivings in an article called "The
intrusion of matriarchal consciousness" where it is argued that
Western general consciousness, in parallel with an ongoing cultural
dissolution, risks moving in a "matriarchal" direction. It represents the
formation of a neurotic culture at a lower level of consciousness:
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm

Mats Winther

Day Brown

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Sep 28, 2008, 12:53:51 AM9/28/08
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But it is white women who are rising to power. And it is white
professional women who are going to fertility clinics to select from
among thousands of the most promising Y Chromosome lines, which in most
matches, will be Nordic.

They have a eugenics program. So far, the results are promising. While
they dont have access to the identity of sperm donors, they are able to
contact the women that used the same donor, and now there are gatherings
of the half siblings and online networking with these mothers to compare
how things are going.

The first generation of the Uberwench is already born, many in school,
where they are doing as expected. And just as white men have taken sons
into the business, so we can expect these managerial class white women
to do the same. Only, in this case, the mothers wont be stupid sexy
airheads, so the next generation will be even more talented.

The Global free market at work.

M Winther

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Sep 28, 2008, 5:23:06 AM9/28/08
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But this doesn't work because it is genetic variability which is the
most important factor. For instance, the women won't choose sperm
donors who are thin-haired. But in this way they drop a gene pool
which is most valuable, containing many good factors which are very
hard to get. The genetic Übermensch project does not follow the
genetic laws because you cannot derive from good looks, and an
athletic body, that a person has perfect genes. Great scientists are
seldom athletic. Nor is a talent of feeling coupled to beautiful hair
and fair skin. A human being cannot at the same time be a sports
athlete, a scientific researcher, a good family man, deeply pious and
God-fearing, having great capacity of work, being honest and generous,
etc. etc. One cannot have it all because a shrewd businessman is
hardly generous and kind. Many properties contradict each other in the
human nature. You cannot create a genetic Übermensch who contains all
these characteristics. It doesn't work.

Ergo: a thin-haired dark-skinned man could have excellent genes. He
could have great capacity for honest work, for instance. The blond
athlete could be partially lacking in this respect. So the Übermensch
fertility clinic concept doesn't work genetically.


Mats

Day Brown

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M Winther wrote:
> But this doesn't work because it is genetic variability which is the
> most important factor. For instance, the women won't choose sperm
> donors who are thin-haired. But in this way they drop a gene pool
> which is most valuable, containing many good factors which are very
> hard to get. The genetic Übermensch project does not follow the
> genetic laws because you cannot derive from good looks, and an
> athletic body, that a person has perfect genes. Great scientists are
> seldom athletic. Nor is a talent of feeling coupled to beautiful hair
> and fair skin. A human being cannot at the same time be a sports
> athlete, a scientific researcher, a good family man, deeply pious and
> God-fearing, having great capacity of work, being honest and generous,
> etc. etc. One cannot have it all because a shrewd businessman is
> hardly generous and kind. Many properties contradict each other in the
> human nature. You cannot create a genetic Übermensch who contains all
> these characteristics. It doesn't work.
>
> Ergo: a thin-haired dark-skinned man could have excellent genes. He
> could have great capacity for honest work, for instance. The blond
> athlete could be partially lacking in this respect. So the Übermensch
> fertility clinic concept doesn't work genetically.
They are not using good looks Mats. They never get to see the face of
the sperm donor. There are some clinics that offer morphing software to
try to figure out what a woman's kid would look like, but decisions are
overwhelmingly based on the DNA markers. They want to avoid hemophilia,
cystic fibrosis, depression, schizophrenia, and a host of others, as
well as maximize good immune responses.

Since its the Vikings who were the most widely traveled men, Nordic
lines have the best immune systems. The women also have access to the
personality profile, talent tests, and some biographical data to make an
assessment of economic and academic success. It turns out an athletic
body, eg a tennis player, swimmer, jogger, aids mental performance. I
agree that extremes like a weight lifter would not.

They are not looking for a good family man, god fearing, or pious. They
are looking for what the Transnationals running the global market will
most likely want. The Uberwench is not an individual, but a CLASS who
will support their sisters in business and government.

Melanin is on the same strand of DNA as adrenalin, seratonin, dopamine,
and other hormones that affect behavior. higher melanin makes for men
who are more impulsive and the lower seratonin high melanin men have
tends to make them restless sleepers who wake up grouchy. It depends on
where a woman expects her kids to live. If in the tropics, then higher
melanin is needed; but not in the penthouses and executive suites of the
urban high rise towers.

Damaeus

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Sep 28, 2008, 3:19:23 PM9/28/08
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Reading from news:alt.psychology,
Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org> posted:

> The Swedes are the descendants of Yeoman farmers, these others
> are not. They dont have the same instinctive behavior patterns.
> Swedish women find their intuitive body language skill is less
> reliable with these men, and that makes them nervous.

Body language isn't a skill. Well, it's a skill if you're trying to
cover up your true feelings. But if you let your body do its thing on
its own, your body lanugage manifests naturally all by itself.

Damaeus
--
Damaeus - Damon M.

Damaeus

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Sep 28, 2008, 3:23:45 PM9/28/08
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Reading from news:alt.psychology,
"M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se> posted:

> 70% of the immigrants from Irak (which are very many in Sweden)
> live on welfare. They won't move to the areas where there are
> jobs. Certain of them can't take simple jobs because it's
> unworthy.

Can't? Pfft... Go talk to the people in sci.physics and/or
alt.politics. I was over there talking about how unworthy some jobs
are in America. If it was left up to Rod Speed in those newsgroups,
he'd round them up and force them to work at gunpoint.

M Winther

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Sep 29, 2008, 12:12:36 AM9/29/08
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A baffling circumstance, I suppose little known outside Scandinavia,
is that in Sweden, Norway, and Finland, a great portion of the
population have a very good immunity against the HIV virus. A certain
percent of the population have'practically a 100% immunity. This is
curious. Theoretically, it would mean that we must have been infected
with a very similar disease in history. But we know of no such
disease.

Mats

Day Brown

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M Winther wrote:
> A baffling circumstance, I suppose little known outside Scandinavia,
> is that in Sweden, Norway, and Finland, a great portion of the
> population have a very good immunity against the HIV virus. A certain
> percent of the population have'practically a 100% immunity. This is
> curious. Theoretically, it would mean that we must have been infected
> with a very similar disease in history. But we know of no such
> disease.
In ancient times, there were so many diseases, that any impairment of
the immune system would produce an early death. Only those Vikings with
the most robust immune systems lived to return to Scandinavia.

Genetic matching is difficult. Cystic Fibrosis is only a problem if both
the Y chromosome and the mtDNA have the marker for it. If only one, then
there is a better immune response to lung infections.

The well educated career white women who are using fertility clinics are
increasingly having their own mtDNA analyzed before selecting the best Y
Chromosome match. So, for instance, if a woman lacks the marker for
Cystic Fibrosis, she mite do better to look for a Germanic or British
Isles male line. Its worth noting also, that on a per capita basis, the
Scots have produced remarkably more than their fair share of talented
engineers. Which is why "Scotty", on Star Trek was a 'Scot'.

It was pointed out that while Star Trek had Russian, English,, Scot,
African, Japanese, and other lines, there were no Iranians. That's
because Star Trek is about the future, when there were no Iranians.

The humor aside, I dont doubt that some Y chromosome lines will only
remain in frozen sample sets until such time as some DNA marker will
have been revealed to have some benefit.

Its understood that while the alpha male trait, handed down on the Y
chromosome, endows a man with great drive, that is only useful if it is
also matched with superior intelligence... handed down on the mtDNA. If
the intelligence is not there, then the drive to dominate fails, and we
see what Neitzsche called "the rancor of the impotent". Jihadim being a
case in point.

We may be evolving twards the Platonic republic. Smart white career
women who donate eggs to be implanted with gifted alpha male Y
chromosomes will then have them implanted in women from beta male lines
who are more nurturant, moving the 'nanny' role up 9 months in the
process. Since there is such an abundance of such beta women, this
allows the 'queen' to donate, and then have, as many talented girls with
the drive from alpha male Y chromosome lines as she can afford to raise.

And if she can then raise smart trophy blonde girls, the richest men in
the world will line up at her door looking for wives. Which as the girls
inherit the estates, will be financially rewarding.

Day Brown

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I'm not always as clear as I hope. I mean the skill to READ the body
language of others, and perhaps to manipulate their own in accordance
with their own ends.

There are sets of gestures that are handed down in DNA lines, which in
return enable others to understand non verbally, or detect attempts at
deception.

Damaeus

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Reading from news:alt.psychology,
Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org> posted:

> Damaeus wrote:
>
> > Body language isn't a skill. Well, it's a skill if you're trying to
> > cover up your true feelings. But if you let your body do its thing on
> > its own, your body lanugage manifests naturally all by itself.
>
> I'm not always as clear as I hope. I mean the skill to READ the body
> language of others, and perhaps to manipulate their own in accordance
> with their own ends.

What you basically just said is that you start with a belief of what
you think a person is all about, and then you try to use your
perception to force their body language to reveal to you the truth of
what you think they intend to do. Of course, this doesn't actually
change their body language. It just forces your own thinking to fall
in line with what you think the person you're watching is all about.

Once you've satisfied yourself that the person you're watching has
exhibited enough body language to satsify you of their intentions, you
put all the pieces together, have a big "aha, I knew it" moment, and
you're happy with yourself at having decoded someone else's body
language and discovered the "truth" about them.

> There are sets of gestures that are handed down in DNA lines,
> which in return enable others to understand non verbally, or
> detect attempts at deception.

That's a schizophrenic method of judging others. It assumes that all
people who rub the fleshy separation between their nostrils is a liar,
for example. That's not always true, is it?

Day Brown

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Primate field studies, which give us the term, "alpha male" report that
the betas routinely place themselves between the alphas and the
vulnerable females and young, so as to take the impulsive blows alphas
have been seen giving.

They, and the females, instinctively developed the skill to read the
body language of the alphas so as to either brace themselves, or move
out of the way. The alphas, of course, know nothing of this. Its not
their problem.

The blood work shows alphaism is handed down on the Y chromosome. It
also shows that along with higher testosterone there's also higher
adrenalin. This speeds reflexes, needed in the battles with outside
alpha males defending the group. They also have lower seratonin, which
sharpens senses, but makes for restless sleep that endows them with the
ability to warn the group of predators at night.

But, not having slept well, they wake up grouchy. "Dont bother your
father, he just woke up." As you say, these rules about body language
are not always true. And when an alpha male is endowed with superior
intelligence, he can gain the self control to deal with impulsiveness
and use the drive to make tremendous contributions. But when lacking
that intelligence, which is mostly handed down on the mtDNA, then, as
Nietzsche put it, they 'suffer the rancor of impotence."

If alphas could avoid sex with airheads the world would be a vastly
better place. But their sons, in particular, are real easy to read, and
instinctively try to deny any technique to predict their behavior is
really effective. Those who were not able to anticipate what an alpha
would do- were less able to stay in the gene pools.

Damaeus

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Reading from news:alt.psychology,
Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org> posted:

> Primate field studies

Primates didn't build the St. Louis arch. Irrelevant.

M Winther

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Den 2008-09-28 06:53:51 skrev Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org>:


Correction: it is Übermensch, not Uberwench.

Mats

Day Brown

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M Winther wrote:
> Correction: it is Übermensch, not Uberwench.
Since the smart white career women can determine sex shortly after
conception, or from a few cells before implantation, they are
increasingly only raising girls.

We had a trophy blonde in SCOTUS in the past year there to receive some
part of the BILLIONS she inherited for making the last few years of some
lech's life more satisfactory. It was a message not lost on these women,
that if they can raise girls to become trophy blonde wives, when those
girls inherit the estates, the mothers will be paid a million for each
year they spend raising the girls.

Then too, it's Hugh Hefner's DAUGHTER who runs Playboy inc, not a son.
That too is increasingly common, so I refer to them as the 'Uberwench'.

Now, some guys argue with me as if its my idea, but its not upta me.
This is not going on because I am promoting it. If dudes dont want to
look at it, I dont have a problem with that. But those who do, will see
how increasingly common it is for young women to spend bedtime with
older men. A trend to which I can personally attest. I'm 69.

Course, you do havta be in good physical condition.

Damaeus

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Reading from news:alt.psychology,
Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org> posted:

> I looked forward to a pair of studies by German and Swedish


> socilogists of minorities thinking there'd be less bias. But I
> saw all the same statistics- high rates of substance and sexual
> abuse, violent assault, and divorce with all the same low rates
> of education and income. They also reported the males wore
> ostentatious wardrobes, walked with what we'd call a 'barrio
> swagger', and as above, had trouble with authority figures.

I imagine they're bitter about doing as they're told at work, being
loyal to their job and company, only to get crappy pay. That tends to
make one dislike authority figures. It becomes a
do-as-I-say-so-I-can-punish-you sort of deal.

> Putting them in schools is frustrating, makes them angry, and
> violent. We need ways to value what they are, and quit trying to
> make them what they are not.

There are some people in the world who are just more suited to
communism. They'd still contribute, but in their own way.

M Winther

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Den 2008-10-01 17:33:56 skrev Day Brown <dayb...@daybrown.org>:

> ....If dudes dont


> want to look at it, I dont have a problem with that. But those
> who do, will see how increasingly common it is for young women to
> spend bedtime with older men. A trend to which I can personally
> attest. I'm 69.
>Course, you do havta be in good physical condition.


Ever heard of "morals"?

Mats

Day Brown

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Oct 2, 2008, 2:23:14 PM10/2/08
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in "Infidel" reports on Islamic refugees in Holland,
who regard field work with the tulips as demeaning and for slaves. All
they want to do for a living is raise camels. There is the same cowboy
mentality, of wanting to avoid being told what to do, which in a place
like Holland, where the economy works on the basis of men taking orders
and cooperating with each other in entrepeneurial ventures goes back for
hundreds of years.

The men who could not do that, wanted to pioneer and be their own boss,
moved to America. Lapps and Gypsies are also nomadic, and have very
similar kinds of instinctive behavior responses, such as resistance to
perceived authority figures. In these lineages, a man who didnt like the
direction of the tribal leaders could cut his stock out of the herd and
strike out on his own to do whatever he wanted his way. "Take your job
and shove it."

This is reflected in the report by Herodotus of the nomadic Scythians as
being chronically contentious. And seen in Ghenghis Khan, who got lucky
in some early battles, and thereby was basically able to bribe the men
to follow him to conquer the world. The problem is, they butchered all
the clerks, and you cant run an empire for long without them.

Tamerlane did the same thing in the 14th century with the ancestors of
many of the Islamic immigrants, also butchered the clerks, and his whole
empire also fell apart shortly after his death. We are looking at gene
pools that've a lot of men who descended from goon squads, and it takes
draconian force, such as Saddam provided, to keep order.

Day Brown

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Yes. The Almighty Dollar always decides in the end what they will be.
For 5000 years or more, we've seen the brave heart, strong right arm,
sword in hand, seize the dollar to become the deciders. But now, that no
longer cuts it. Smith & Wesson guarantee stronger rights for smart women
who are now employing that other weapon to control the behavior of men,
the cunt. While there is no way to have safe weapons now in the age of
nukes and WMD, and the warrior elites cannot even protect themselves,
the women now know how to practice safe sex and control STDs.

Their rules are pretty simple. Nobody gets sick and nobody gets pregnant
unintentionally, much less thru rape. Which has always been an effective
way for men to have sons. Who grow up with the same instinct to rape. As
a result, such men, and there is a vast number, are never satisfied with
just a single wife. This is no problem for the Uberwench.

I saw an alpha male, former Gulf War I vet, who could take weapons apart
and reassemble them blindfolded, attend a safe sex orgy held by witches
over the course of a weekend, and at the end of which, his whole set of
'moral values' had changed. He'd never had sex with so many women in so
short a period of time in his entire life. All he could talk about from
then on was what he could do to further their agenda.

If you are physically fit and single, you may get an invitation from a
coven in your area. If married, then they'll speak with your wife. Lots
of wives were at the rituals I saw, understood how this met certain male
instincts, but none of them would get back home with HIV. There have
been several studies of married men that were led to believe they'd get
laid if they went with a young woman. Well over 90% of the hypocritical
bastards had no problem forgetting the moral values you refer to.

Ever heard of hypocrisy?

M Winther

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Hypocrisy is where there is no true moral of the heart, but only
submission to the collective mores of the "super-ego". Although it is
a long time ago, this is what Jesus of Nazareth rebelled against,
advancing from a lawish religion to a religion of the heart.

People who engage in sexual orgies like this damage the *eros
principle*, which can unite love and sexuality in an unaccountable way.
These people risk damaging their instincts severely and can end up
impotent. In the future, the "missionary position", together with a
woman he loves, won't simply do, and it won't satisfy him. His soul is
lost, that's conditional in the contract with the devil.

If the women are young when exposed to this, then they risk being
damaged for life. They won't be able to marry and live together with a
decent man. If they have an inner capacity for a true and deep
relation, according to the principle of eros, then something immensely
valuable has been lost. According to Plato, eros is the most
elevated force in the universe. In the individual, and perhaps also
from a universal perspective, it is an immense tragedy when it is
destroyed.

People who promote such activities are endorsing narcissism and
psychopathy in society. The will have to carry this transgression on
their back, even unto judgement day.

Mats Winther

Day Brown

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If young women saw the decent young men you refer to, the kind of social
revolution I refer to would not be happening. But they dont. One
referred to them as "button pushers" because they spend all their time
with video games, and know nothing at all young women are interested in
listening to, and know nothing at all that an employer would want around
for a prosming career.

This is part of the reason Mats that young women, 21-30 already make
more money than young men. Even the young men that are employed, if they
have any brains, know they dont make enuf money to support a family.

Its not upta me. I'm just reporting what the young women have told me,
and what they've pointed out in their magazines like Cosmopolitan,
Glamour, and Cosmogirl.

There's a new economic model as well, where a group of geeks use the net
to work out a new design, and then cooperate with women to run the
office and interact with the customer base to then explain to the geeks
what needs to be developed.

The geeks are highly skilled, but emotionally retarded, and women see
they would not be satisfactory husbands. Nor do they handle money well.
So, women are expanding the corporate mandate to provide the geeks with
a place to live as well as work, and sexual services to motivate them.

This results in more PROFITS. And when the women want to have babies,
they know the corporation will be there to support them no matter
whether the sperm donor is or not. Given how many men have run out on
their wives and kids, I can see where the women are looking for a new
social model.

You cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junkfood, and soda, and expect
maximal mental development. But nature clipped the ends of the bell
curve for females to ensure they were competent enuf to nurture kids.
So, girls've done better on contaminated and deficient diets. But so
many boys are autistic, ADD, ADHD, depressed, addicted, etc, that the
supply of responsible young men to consider as husbands and fathers has
shrunk to the point women do not know what else, other than communal
life, to do. If you have any alternative, I'll be glad to pass the word
along. Talking about Jesus and the Bible wont cut it.

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