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M Winther
Apr 18, 2012, 8:44:55 AM4/18/12
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Concerning the ongoing trial in Norway of Breivik and the Utöya mass
murder. The debate is ongoing about the mental condition of Breivik.
Some say he is psychotic while some say that he is both sane and evil.
I propose that he and certain other shooters, in Sweden and in the US,
suffer from an autistic syndrome. Autistic people are often very
well-functioning (often more focused than normal people), but they can
get stuck in an eternal loop of distorted views of reality. Breivik's
notions are distorted and he has concocted a potpourri of notions from
political circles without really understanding them. One example of
deficient insight is the way in which Breivik identifies with the
medieval ideals of knighthood. But it has never been regarded
chivalrous to murder defenseless people, especially not women. The
medieval knighthood would have regarded his actions as the very
opposite of chivalry.
Breivik lacks a deeper understanding of the political terms and is
merely parroting them. He has developed a fixation on the notions but
has a shallow understanding of them. This phenomenon is coupled with
the autistic spectrum. The notion of narcissistic self-absorption has
been suggested in media, but I think this is completely wrong. Autists
have a tendency of looking upon other people as irritating insects, so
the lack of empathy can also be explained by autism. In media, autists
are often depicted as harmless people who have no wish to hurt other
people, but this is wrong. Autistic people often have a socially
destructive influence, but they can be productive at workplaces.
Mats Winther
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/
murder. The debate is ongoing about the mental condition of Breivik.
Some say he is psychotic while some say that he is both sane and evil.
I propose that he and certain other shooters, in Sweden and in the US,
suffer from an autistic syndrome. Autistic people are often very
well-functioning (often more focused than normal people), but they can
get stuck in an eternal loop of distorted views of reality. Breivik's
notions are distorted and he has concocted a potpourri of notions from
political circles without really understanding them. One example of
deficient insight is the way in which Breivik identifies with the
medieval ideals of knighthood. But it has never been regarded
chivalrous to murder defenseless people, especially not women. The
medieval knighthood would have regarded his actions as the very
opposite of chivalry.
Breivik lacks a deeper understanding of the political terms and is
merely parroting them. He has developed a fixation on the notions but
has a shallow understanding of them. This phenomenon is coupled with
the autistic spectrum. The notion of narcissistic self-absorption has
been suggested in media, but I think this is completely wrong. Autists
have a tendency of looking upon other people as irritating insects, so
the lack of empathy can also be explained by autism. In media, autists
are often depicted as harmless people who have no wish to hurt other
people, but this is wrong. Autistic people often have a socially
destructive influence, but they can be productive at workplaces.
Mats Winther
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/
M Winther
Apr 20, 2012, 1:36:34 AM4/20/12
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Breivik says he played online Internet game "World of Warcraft" for a
whole´year, during 2006, 16-17 hours a day. Autists are capable of
this, but hardly a normal adult person.
Mats
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whole´year, during 2006, 16-17 hours a day. Autists are capable of
this, but hardly a normal adult person.
Mats
Dänk 42Ø
Apr 26, 2012, 1:16:12 AM4/26/12
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On 04/18/2012 06:44 AM, M Winther farted the following unsolicited
two-bit Dr-Fucking-Phil psychoanalysis:
consensus in this case.
Some psychologists have diagnosed Breivik as schizophrenic, but when he
passed their schizophrenia tests they claimed he was intelligent enough
to fake sanity. Other psychologists claim he is sane -- fully aware of
his actions -- and say he should be punished as a criminal. Now you
come along and diagnose him as autistic -- and, once again, he is
intelligent enough to cheat any witch test you may administer: Guilty if
he fails, guilty if he passes.
While not condoning Breivik's actions, he felt they were necessary to
send a message -- a message you've chosen to ignore. Not just ignore,
but discredit by branding him as insane. You *NEED* him to be insane,
because you are unwilling to acknowledge his ideas: You feel so insecure
in your ability to challenge his ideology that you lump it all together
as Orwellian 'crimethink."
"If I had been a bearded jihadist, there wouldn't have been any
psychiatrists whatsoever."
-- Anders Breivik
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"A crime is a deviation from generally recognized standards of behavior
frequently caused by mental disorder. Can there be diseases, nervous
disorders among certain people in a Communist society? Evidently yes. If
that is so, then there will also be offenses, which are characteristic
of people with abnormal minds. Of those who might start calling for
opposition to Communism on this basis, we can say that clearly their
mental state is not normal."
-- Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
two-bit Dr-Fucking-Phil psychoanalysis:
> Concerning the ongoing trial in Norway of Breivik and the Utöya mass
> murder. The debate is ongoing about the mental condition of Breivik.
> Some say he is psychotic while some say that he is both sane and evil.
> I propose that he and certain other shooters, in Sweden and in the US,
> suffer from an autistic syndrome. Autistic people are often very
> well-functioning (often more focused than normal people), but they can
> get stuck in an eternal loop of distorted views of reality
Although psychology purports to be a "science," there is no scientific
> murder. The debate is ongoing about the mental condition of Breivik.
> Some say he is psychotic while some say that he is both sane and evil.
> I propose that he and certain other shooters, in Sweden and in the US,
> suffer from an autistic syndrome. Autistic people are often very
> well-functioning (often more focused than normal people), but they can
> get stuck in an eternal loop of distorted views of reality
consensus in this case.
Some psychologists have diagnosed Breivik as schizophrenic, but when he
passed their schizophrenia tests they claimed he was intelligent enough
to fake sanity. Other psychologists claim he is sane -- fully aware of
his actions -- and say he should be punished as a criminal. Now you
come along and diagnose him as autistic -- and, once again, he is
intelligent enough to cheat any witch test you may administer: Guilty if
he fails, guilty if he passes.
While not condoning Breivik's actions, he felt they were necessary to
send a message -- a message you've chosen to ignore. Not just ignore,
but discredit by branding him as insane. You *NEED* him to be insane,
because you are unwilling to acknowledge his ideas: You feel so insecure
in your ability to challenge his ideology that you lump it all together
as Orwellian 'crimethink."
"If I had been a bearded jihadist, there wouldn't have been any
psychiatrists whatsoever."
-- Anders Breivik
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
"A crime is a deviation from generally recognized standards of behavior
frequently caused by mental disorder. Can there be diseases, nervous
disorders among certain people in a Communist society? Evidently yes. If
that is so, then there will also be offenses, which are characteristic
of people with abnormal minds. Of those who might start calling for
opposition to Communism on this basis, we can say that clearly their
mental state is not normal."
-- Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
M Winther
Apr 30, 2012, 4:44:49 AM4/30/12
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"Dänk 42Ø" <da...@fourtwenty.org> skrev i meddelandet
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Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) isn't viewed as insanity, per se, but
as a personality disorder, like Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(NPD), or Psychopathic Personality Disorder, etc. This means that
criminals with these disorders are fit for prison sentence, unlike
schizophrenics. Many Nazi doctors would have suffered from diverse
disorders. Society is teeming with disturbed people. Their ideas
aren't
psychotic, hence not necessarily wrong. But they are superficial,
crude, and confused. My point is that both his motives and actions
were confused. If he doesn't like Muslims, why kill Norwegian youths?
Breivik says he played online Internet game "World of Warcraft" for a
whole year, during 2006, 16-17 hours a day. Autists are capable of
this, but hardly a normal adult person.
To argue that he is of sound mind would be to give credentials to his
sick ideas. He identifies with the Knights Templars, views al-Qaida as
a model, etc. It is counter-productive to argue that his manifesto is
intellectually clear-sighted. In this way his sick ideas can take root
among stupid youths. In fact, his worldview is manifestly deranged.
This does not mean that multiculturalism and "cultural Marxism"
are acceptable ideologies. You don't have to side with Breivik to
criticise today's cultural and moral relativism. I am severly critical
of today's mass-immigration and the discord it creates in our
Western societies. But let's make a critique from a perspective that
is mentally sound, and not confused and superficial.
Mats Winther
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as a personality disorder, like Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(NPD), or Psychopathic Personality Disorder, etc. This means that
criminals with these disorders are fit for prison sentence, unlike
schizophrenics. Many Nazi doctors would have suffered from diverse
disorders. Society is teeming with disturbed people. Their ideas
aren't
psychotic, hence not necessarily wrong. But they are superficial,
crude, and confused. My point is that both his motives and actions
were confused. If he doesn't like Muslims, why kill Norwegian youths?
Breivik says he played online Internet game "World of Warcraft" for a
whole year, during 2006, 16-17 hours a day. Autists are capable of
this, but hardly a normal adult person.
sick ideas. He identifies with the Knights Templars, views al-Qaida as
a model, etc. It is counter-productive to argue that his manifesto is
intellectually clear-sighted. In this way his sick ideas can take root
among stupid youths. In fact, his worldview is manifestly deranged.
This does not mean that multiculturalism and "cultural Marxism"
are acceptable ideologies. You don't have to side with Breivik to
criticise today's cultural and moral relativism. I am severly critical
of today's mass-immigration and the discord it creates in our
Western societies. But let's make a critique from a perspective that
is mentally sound, and not confused and superficial.
Mats Winther
Dänk 42Ø
May 5, 2012, 1:37:25 PM5/5/12
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On 04/30/2012 02:44 AM, M Winther wrote:
> To argue that he is of sound mind would be to give credentials to his
> sick ideas. He identifies with the Knights Templars, views al-Qaida as
> a model, etc. It is counter-productive to argue that his manifesto is
> intellectually clear-sighted. In this way his sick ideas can take root
> among stupid youths. In fact, his worldview is manifestly deranged.
Breivik said it better than I could:
> To argue that he is of sound mind would be to give credentials to his
> sick ideas. He identifies with the Knights Templars, views al-Qaida as
> a model, etc. It is counter-productive to argue that his manifesto is
> intellectually clear-sighted. In this way his sick ideas can take root
> among stupid youths. In fact, his worldview is manifestly deranged.
"If I had been a bearded Jihadi there would be no [psychiatric] report
at all."
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