What are Unconscious and Spiritual Realities?
Ustahi
I thought a good idea to comment a bit on this.
Playing with the Zgjidhja model, we are begining to notice a few
patterns. Not linguistical of course.
What it is interesting here is the human ability to respond without
words and feelings.
How to answer then?
The answer is.........with Spirit/Soul. Yep, with your own spirit.
For some this may be way contrary of how you've used to do things, yet
for those using it is becoming a very very useful skill.
The fun part is that, after you locate Realities, you can step into
them and notice how along with it go respective feelings. According to
Zgjidhja, feelings are a Symptom.
THe moment you change the underneath Realities, automatically the rest
stuff falls into place. Let me give you an example of what someone
found deep within self.
A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
And those were Layered Realities, one upon another. These were the
Root of her problem.
When we balanced those, everything else dissapeard and the problem was
non-existent anymore. It's also important to say that what appears
actually Makes Sense about the context you're working on and in.
The problematic feeling vanished as well.
The Model is still in the testing phase, and in the near future more
Results to be announced.
Rinon HOXHA - Ustahi
Founder and Developer of
the Model of Mind - Zgjidhja(tm)
www.zgjidhja.com
Tom Vizzini
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>
> THe moment you change the underneath Realities, automatically the rest
> stuff falls into place. Let me give you an example of what someone
> found deep within self.
>
> A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
>
> And those were Layered Realities, one upon another. These were the
> Root of her problem.
>
> When we balanced those, everything else dissapeard and the problem was
> non-existent anymore. It's also important to say that what appears
> actually Makes Sense about the context you're working on and in.
This is very familiar. Finding representations of the problem....describing
them as realities.....balancing them with a resource....Gee yes this does
sound familiar.
Bornnatural
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> OK I have to point out something real obvious.
What?....that hes nuts?
Ustahi
> OK I have to point out something real obvious.
Ahhh.........I knew this but I didn't tell trick?
>
> This is very familiar. Finding representations of the problem....describing
> them as realities.....balancing them with a resource....Gee yes this does
> sound familiar.
Nope. Not even close. LAYERS of REALITIES. Very different of what you
seem to think.
Have fun
Ustahi
Ustahi
>
> What?....that hes nuts?
Thank you Bornnatural.
Ustahi
HellBrat
Hmmm, layers of reality, isn't that the same as belief filters? You
see the world through your beliefs.
Ok, here comes the no it isn't. It's different. So then I'll ask, how
so, then you'll respond that I'm an asshole, then I'll say, yeah
what's your point. Layers of realities....beliefs. Sounds strangely
familar, where have I heard that before?
Tim
>
> Have fun
> Ustahi
HellBrat
On Feb 28, 8:51 pm, "Ustahi" <ndik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Playing with the Zgjidhja model, we are begining to notice a few
> patterns. Not linguistical of course.
Not linguistical? Watch me point it out later in this post.
>
> What it is interesting here is the human ability to respond without
> words and feelings.
How by jacking off or licking your face?
>
> How to answer then?
Oh boy can't wait.
>
> The answer is.........with Spirit/Soul. Yep, with your own spirit.
Ummm, What the hell? The soul as defined by the bible is the body, The
spirit is a different matter, now your turn to explain that, explain
it in a way which even stupid people like me can understand.
>
> For some this may be way contrary of how you've used to do things, yet
> for those using it is becoming a very very useful skill.
Explain that part please.
>
> The fun part is that, after you locate Realities, you can step into
> them and notice how along with it go respective feelings. According to
> Zgjidhja, feelings are a Symptom.
Really and you have scientic studies to prove your point right?
Science is not the end all of everything, but by the same token there
are too many con artists out there who would happily take your money
and give bullshit explainations like that. Now explain this with some
basic brain research.
>
> THe moment you change the underneath Realities, automatically the rest
> stuff falls into place. Let me give you an example of what someone
> found deep within self.
You mean as soon as you change the underneth beliefs? The way you are
using realities can be interchanged with beliefs.
>
> A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
WOW, that's really is not lingustic's. Using words to describe
something, Oh but wait, I thought lingustic's weren't involved? I
thougt maybe it was some kind of telepathic stuff, hmm, silly me for
assuming.
>
> And those were Layered Realities, one upon another. These were the
> Root of her problem.
Hmmm layered realities, or another name you can say is clustered
beliefs, nothing new there.
>
> When we balanced those, everything else dissapeard and the problem was
> non-existent anymore. It's also important to say that what appears
> actually Makes Sense about the context you're working on and in.
Balanced...yet another word strangely that I have heard before.
>
> The problematic feeling vanished as well.
well yeah when you balance a belief it has the ripple effect, again
nothing new there.
>
> The Model is still in the testing phase, and in the near future more
> Results to be announced.
Oh now your testing it, I seem to recall you had the complete model, I
see so you changed your reality from I got this great complete thing
to I am now testing it. Maybe you ought to balace your wishy washy
mind.
Tim
HellBrat
> On Mar 1, 2:28 pm, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> > OK I have to point out something real obvious.
>
> Ahhh.........I knew this but I didn't tell trick?
>
> Nope. Not even close. LAYERS of REALITIES. Very different of what you
> seem to think.
Yet you can't explain what layers of realities mean.
This is nothing more than a bastardized version of the 3-D Mind.
Call your realities anything you want but they still boil down to
beliefs.
Remember what shakey spear said, a rose by any other name is still yet
but a rose.
Tim
Bornnatural
"HellBrat" <monste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tom Vizzini
> see the world through your beliefs.
> Ok, here comes the no it isn't. It's different. So then I'll ask, how
> so, then you'll respond that I'm an asshole, then I'll say, yeah
> what's your point. Layers of realities....beliefs. Sounds strangely
> familar, where have I heard that before?
I don't want to get into a long drawnout argument pointing out the
similarities of this guy's model. I just find it interesting when someone
who has studied the 3-D Mind extensively suddenly comes up with something
that sounds so similar in structure and application. The only thing that
seems to have changed are the labels.
That is the beauty of the 3-D Mind. You can use the basic structure and
build anything around it that you desire. It can be used as a hypnotic
model. It can be used as an energetic model. It fits into the philosophies
of Chinese Medicine. I have long ago explained the concept of realities.
The only thing that I have refused to do is slop it up with spirituality.
So let's avoid a long flame war. I think we have made our point. I also
think that his evasive answers have proven it.
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Tom Vizzini
> >
> > A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
>
> WOW, that's really is not lingustic's. Using words to describe
> something, Oh but wait, I thought lingustic's weren't involved? I
> thougt maybe it was some kind of telepathic stuff, hmm, silly me for
> assuming.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that all of that language
was not linguistic. They do sound remarkably like drivers don't they?
These would be remarkable insights except he's about seven years too late.
> >
> > And those were Layered Realities, one upon another. These were the
> > Root of her problem.
>
> Hmmm layered realities, or another name you can say is clustered
> beliefs, nothing new there.
Yes that is eerily familiar isn't it? It's almost like I have heard it some
place before.
> >
> > When we balanced those, everything else dissapeard and the problem was
> > non-existent anymore. It's also important to say that what appears
> > actually Makes Sense about the context you're working on and in.
>
> Balanced...yet another word strangely that I have heard before.
Yes, the concept of balance. It does sound like something that I have heard
in another model.
> >
> > The problematic feeling vanished as well.
>
> well yeah when you balance a belief it has the ripple effect, again
> nothing new there.
Yes when you use the 3-D Mind, no matter what you decide to call it,
problems do seem to vanish.
Ustahi
>
> Hmmm, layers of reality, isn't that the same as belief filters?
No. Not at all. Look: I have dignity and integrity to know and give
credit.
When I work with people, I can excactly draw the line between model
you protect and Zgjidhja. Period.
So no, Layers of reality are in no way same as belief filters. Belief
filters stand ABOVE the layers of Realitites. When you deal with the
Unconscious/Spiritual Realities, the beliefs VANISH as a SYMPTOM.
The problem with you 69 Duo is that you have no clue whatsoever about
how Zgjidha accesses that level of mind. And I can assure you each and
every time that is is way deeper than beliefs about self. Because
Beliefs about self are a Symptom and working in each of them is Waste
of Time.
I know because I have used it, differently from you, and as I said I
know what the differences are.
> Layers of realities....beliefs. Sounds strangely
> familar, where have I heard that before?
NO. Let's say someone has this problem. You find and ellicit X, Y, Z
beliefs about self. That's how your model works and does things. On
the other hand, Zgjidhja doesn't care what the belief about self are.
Because they are SYMPTOMS.
However we DIRECTLY locate and change the LEVELS OF REALITITES/
METAPHORS/WORLDS then after the change X,Y,Z beliefs no longer exist.
See the difference?
Ustahi
>
> Tim
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> > Have fun
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Ustahi
>
>
> > The answer is.........with Spirit/Soul. Yep, with your own spirit.
>
> Ummm, What the hell? The soul as defined by the bible is the body, The
> spirit is a different matter, now your turn to explain that, explain
> it in a way which even stupid people like me can understand.
No, the point was that there is a way to get answers without LANGUAGE
and also without FEELINGS. Now I hope your stupitidy gets it.
> Really and you have scientic studies to prove your point right?
Oh you old stupid moron who just bought some books on neurology and
immediately trupets after scientist's ass.
I said once and I will repeat again. THE RESULST are PRESENT in the
way Zgjidhja works. Period. I am no scientist, science is welcomed to
explain stuff but not needed.
>Now explain this with some
> basic brain research.
This is a NEW way of doing things. The science will have it's saying
later on. No worry about that.
What I can explain is how I do things and people who have learned
Zgjidhja model Get Results. Which interestingly is very easy to do.
Even easier compared to how you do things.
>
> You mean as soon as you change the underneth beliefs? The way you are
> using realities can be interchanged with beliefs.
Nope. In no way. The reason is that I go and locate the underneath
Realities IMMEDIATELY without loosing time using the 3 main questions
for elliciting beliefs. I do this All the time. You can do this
too.....just step out of your ass.
>
>
>
> > A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
>
> WOW, that's really is not lingustic's. Using words to describe
> something, Oh but wait, I thought lingustic's weren't involved? I
> thougt maybe it was some kind of telepathic stuff, hmm, silly me for
> assuming.
No, the linguistics is not involved when Locating the Realities. After
you locate them THEN you may begin to do the description part. It's
like you can't comment a movie unles you see it first. Is it clear
now?
>
> Hmmm layered realities, or another name you can say is clustered
> beliefs, nothing new there.
Oh no. Not the same. Check the response of the previous post.
>
> Balanced...yet another word strangely that I have heard before.
Actually this and the Timeline are the only parts where two models
meet. Yet these 2 ideas have been long time ago going one way beyond
you were even planned for this world.
> well yeah when you balance a belief it has the ripple effect, again
> nothing new there.
Look better, try a bit to think. Still cannot find the difference? Re-
check the previous response.
> Oh now your testing it, I seem to recall you had the complete model, I
> see so you changed your reality from I got this great complete thing
> to I am now testing it.
It is COMPLETE and now I'm testing it with any challenge anyone is
coming to me. So what's your problem with this?
Grow Tim grow......you can do it.
Rinon HOXHA - UStahi
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rinon HOXHA - Ustahi
> > Founder and Developer of
> > the Model of Mind - Zgjidhja(tm)www.zgjidhja.com- Hide quoted text -
Ustahi
> Yet you can't explain what layers of realities mean.
Of course I can. Don't be so silly.........or stupid. I already DID in
the original post. Sheesh.
>
> This is nothing more than a bastardized version of the 3-D Mind.
Nope. THe funny thing is that now you use the same arguments for those
who say 3-D Mind is NLP. :)
World oh world.
> Call your realities anything you want but they still boil down to
> beliefs.
No no. Here's the difference. I know what I'm talking about, yet you
are GUESSING. Keep going. YOur missing the point completely. I againf
repeat: BELIEF ABOUT SELF ARE .......ah .....ah......ah..Bullshit!!!
Don't you Love La Valle? :)
> Remember what shakey spear said, a rose by any other name is still yet
> but a rose.
YOu have no capacity to cite Shakespeare. Return to your rural mind.
My God, This is really fun.
Ustahi
>
> Tim
Ustahi
>
> I don't want to get into a long drawnout argument pointing out the
> similarities of this guy's model.
I already poited out the similarities. The rest is Totally Different.
Starting with the depth of the Change.
I just find it interesting when someone
> who has studied the 3-D Mind extensively suddenly comes up with something
> that sounds so similar in structure and application. The only thing that
> seems to have changed are the labels.
Nope the labels. The actual PLACE where Change takes place. But I
believe you, can't go that deep. Sorry.
Unlike you I have STUDIED things and then Talk. You keep trying giving
comments without actually knowing. Good thing for a quasi-learner.
>
> That is the beauty of the 3-D Mind.
LOL. Look how beautiful you are. Narcissism? or Assicism?
>have long ago explained the concept of realities.
Your realities are bulid from EMOTIONS. The Realities which I am
talking about are TRUE and DEEP and LIVE. Emotions change as a Symptom
of changing them.
> The only thing that I have refused to do is slop it up with spirituality.
Because you COULD NOT work further than beliefs about self. That is
the BASEMENT of your model.
Zgjidhja says things are waaayyy different and working on the beliefs
about self is waste of time and effort.
>
> So let's avoid a long flame war. I think we have made our point. I also
> think that his evasive answers have proven it.
Your point is pointless this time.......again. Also what you think is
totally unimportant.
Notice again the hypocrisy. The 69 DUO constantly attacks then
declares Peace. Stay where you belong. And be happy that I am NOT
attacking. Otherwise then you would know what that means.
Rinon HOXHA - Ustahi
www.zgjidhja.com
Ustahi
> I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that all of that language
> was not linguistic. They do sound remarkably like drivers don't they?
How in the world they are drivers? Point this..........if you can.
>
> These would be remarkable insights except he's about seven years too late.
They are remarkable. The very fact that tha basament of your model
falls apart, says it all. So I'm actually quite Ahead.
> Yes, the concept of balance. It does sound like something that I have heard
> in another model.
I thought this was something from THOUSANDS Years Ago......who said
Eastern Philosophy?
>
> Yes when you use the 3-D Mind, no matter what you decide to call it,
> problems do seem to vanish.
But ONE BY ONE.
I am saying you can hit MANY targets with ONE SHOT.
WHere 3-D Mind Ends, Zgjidhja BEGINS. Getting it yet?
Rinon HOXHA - UStahi
Zgjidhja Model of Mind.
>
> --
> Tom Vizzini
>
HellBrat
Which again is their beliefs, stated in a way for you to understand
what they are talking about?
So then there are different worlds? Can ya git me to the world where
only hot chicks live and I am the only guy?
I'd like you to explain what you mean about levels of realities,
metaphores and worlds. This ought to prove interesting. No excuses
now, just a simple explanation.
> However we DIRECTLY locate and change the LEVELS OF REALITITES/
> METAPHORS/WORLDS then after the change X,Y,Z beliefs no longer exist.
> See the difference?
No, I'm stupid, explain it to me.
Tim
HellBrat
> Deer Timmy of the 69 Duo:
>
> > > The answer is.........with Spirit/Soul. Yep, with your own spirit.
>
>
> No, the point was that there is a way to get answers without LANGUAGE
> and also without FEELINGS. Now I hope your stupitidy gets it.
Without language and feelings you get answers? No, I really don't get
it,
please explain that to me.
>
> > Really and you have scientic studies to prove your point right?
>
> Oh you old stupid moron who just bought some books on neurology and
> immediately trupets after scientist's ass.
Hey, quit trying to imitate me when your calling someone names, it's a
really
poor imitation of me.
> I said once and I will repeat again. THE RESULST are PRESENT in the
> way Zgjidhja works. Period. I am no scientist, science is welcomed to
> explain stuff but not needed.
So you answer the question by redirecting the answer away from what
was asked. Nice job.
>
> >Now explain this with some
> > basic brain research.
>
> This is a NEW way of doing things. The science will have it's saying
> later on. No worry about that.
Wow, I am really surprized that science hasn't already figured that
one out, after all, millions of hours and money were spent on studying
the brain, yet only you figured that one out, there was some mystical
levels.
Nice Job maynard, the Nobel Prize is in your future.
>
> What I can explain is how I do things and people who have learned
> Zgjidhja model Get Results. Which interestingly is very easy to do.
> Even easier compared to how you do things.
Really, then care to post the process here so I can study it, I will
ya know and give honest results,
I might be a rat bastard mother fucker, but I am honest.
>
>
>
> > You mean as soon as you change the underneth beliefs? The way you are
> > using realities can be interchanged with beliefs.
>
> Nope. In no way. The reason is that I go and locate the underneath
> Realities IMMEDIATELY without loosing time using the 3 main questions
> for elliciting beliefs. I do this All the time. You can do this
> too.....just step out of your ass.
I can't since you've never posted anything about the process, But I'd
like to know.
>
>
>
> No, the linguistics is not involved when Locating the Realities. After
> you locate them THEN you may begin to do the description part. It's
> like you can't comment a movie unles you see it first. Is it clear
> now?
No, remember I am really stupid, so you really have to explain it to
me.
Do you even know what linguistics are? So if your not talking, how do
you
gain the knowledge of locating the realitites? I'm confused, share
your knowledge.
Wikipedia> Linguistics is the scientific study of language. Someone
who engages in this study is called a linguist. Linguistics can be
theoretical or applied.
>
> > Hmmm layered realities, or another name you can say is clustered
> > beliefs, nothing new there.
>
> Oh no. Not the same. Check the response of the previous post.
I did and you didn't give an answer, you gave fluff.
>
>
>
> > Balanced...yet another word strangely that I have heard before.
>
> Actually this and the Timeline are the only parts where two models
> meet. Yet these 2 ideas have been long time ago going one way beyond
> you were even planned for this world.
I'm just glad both my parents decided to get drunk that night and dad
decide to let my mom fuck the 7th fleet, for 10 dollars each, I got
2,000 daddies.
>
> > well yeah when you balance a belief it has the ripple effect, again
> > nothing new there.
>
> Look better, try a bit to think. Still cannot find the difference? Re-
> check the previous response.
But your not posting anything that you can actually sink your teeth
into, all your answers are fluff.
>
> > Oh now your testing it, I seem to recall you had the complete model, I
> > see so you changed your reality from I got this great complete thing
> > to I am now testing it.
>
> It is COMPLETE and now I'm testing it with any challenge anyone is
> coming to me. So what's your problem with this?
Ok, and I thought I was stupid, complete means done, over, finished,
if your still testing it, it is not complete.
Testing is required to work out the bugs so to speak. DOH, ok Homer.
>
> Grow Tim grow......you can do it.
Get me a naked photo of your mom and I can assure you I will grow.
>
Tim
HellBrat
> On Mar 1, 6:13 pm, "HellBrat" <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Yet you can't explain what layers of realities mean.
>
> Of course I can. Don't be so silly.........or stupid. I already DID in
> the original post. Sheesh.
No you did not, if you did, copy and paste it.
>
> Nope. THe funny thing is that now you use the same arguments for those
> who say 3-D Mind is NLP. :)
There might be a few simularities, but nlp as a whole, no.
>
> World oh world.
>
> > Call your realities anything you want but they still boil down to
> > beliefs.
>
> No no. Here's the difference. I know what I'm talking about, yet you
> are GUESSING. Keep going. YOur missing the point completely. I againf
> repeat: BELIEF ABOUT SELF ARE .......ah .....ah......ah..Bullshit!!!
> Don't you Love La Valle? :)
Well you've not explained anything yet, so go head, here is your
chance, enlighten us.
>
> > Remember what shakey spear said, a rose by any other name is still yet
> > but a rose.
>
> YOu have no capacity to cite Shakespeare. Return to your rural mind.
Really and your an expert on shakey spear? I just did cite shakey
spear, want more?
To be or not to be, an asshole, that is the question...
O Homeo, Homeo! wherefore art thou Homeo? ( the gay version )
All the world's a stage...built by the roadies of aerosmith.
Fun, do you really want more fun or just embarrass yourself a little
bit more?
HellBrat
forgot you live in a different reality, where anything said against
you is attacking you but anything said as a put down from you isn't?
My Bad.
I'm sorry dude but I was actually pretty damn respectful this whole
time,
probably to the surprise of most on here, but calling people names
then
saying your not attacking is retarded, plain and simple?
Tim
Harun
I would like to make a correction as I had one session with Ustahi
using his model.
The idea of realities is really a little different, in that he doesnt
even want emotions to be there. He starts from the emotion or belief
than asks for a representation , a visual one that might describe from
your "spirit" what the problem reality is.(without emotion) To give an
example for me it was something like a man who is being burned..
Than you do the same thing with the resource belief and blend them...
On the other hand , I must mention that I have tried the model with
Ustahi and myself several times, and havent gotten many results yet.
Harun
Harun
> On the other hand , I must mention that I have tried the model with
> Ustahi and myself several times, and havent gotten many results yet.
>
> Harun
The last sentence meant to say ANY , instead of MANY :)
Tom Vizzini
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Not for discussion here but if you remember the video of Dr Ken it is easy
to see why what he is doing is not working.
The funny part is this. After reading your brief description I can tell you
this. What he is doing is an early experiments with the 3-D Mind that never
saw the light of day. We briefly tried this approach six years ago. Using
visualizations without emotion never got anywhere. In order for that to
happen you have to adopt an entire belief system about spirituality and the
meaning of the visualizations. For 90% of the people that's not going to
work.
We trashed it because it failed 90% of the time.
This is is an example of how even though you can use something on yourself
and get a result, that doesn't translate into a useful tool for other
people. The skill of generating tools that most people can use is an art
form. You can expect the world to buy into your belief system in order to
make the skill work.
Developing new processes to help people is not easy. Kim and I dedicated
years of research and development of the 3-D Mind and the other skills that
we have come up with that are unique.
I know that Usti is just the first of many are going to attempt to take the
3-D mind and change it just enough to call it something else. I know
they're going to run into a very specific problem. We have already done all
of the adding and subtracting possible to the 3-D mind. Anything added to
it at this point is nothing more than fluff. Anything subtracted or
replaced will make it not function properly. I think this is a good example
of that.
Have fun
--
Tom Vizzini
Anchoring and other Sneaky Stuff Boot Camp March 24 and 24 2007
Tom Vizzini
You can expect the world to buy into your belief system in order to
> make the skill work.
I meant to say you 'can't expect'
Ustahi
> Oh so then you change the metaphors they use to see the world through?
No, I change the Worlds thery are actually positioned in.
> Which again is their beliefs, stated in a way for you to understand
> what they are talking about?
Dude, the concept of beliefs about self is not needed here. I will
post the original starting post of this all. It might help.
>
> So then there are different worlds?
Absolutely.
>Can ya git me to the world where
> only hot chicks live and I am the only guy?
I could but you're too........never mind.
>
> I'd like you to explain what you mean about levels of realities,
> metaphores and worlds. This ought to prove interesting. No excuses
> now, just a simple explanation.
First we get to the first Reality. It can be something like
Earthquake. Pretty live so. Then we check underneath it. The second
one appears. It can be black water. Then we go deeper. It can be
Termites.......that's it. Where there's no more.....we apply the
change.
>
> > However we DIRECTLY locate and change the LEVELS OF REALITITES/
> > METAPHORS/WORLDS then after the change X,Y,Z beliefs no longer exist.
> > See the difference?
>
> No, I'm stupid, explain it to me.
I think I'll do a presentation of this.
Ustahi
>
> Tim
Ustahi
>
> Get me a naked photo of your mom and I can assure you I will grow.
Ok, now I read this and this is the point where our commication is
over.
Ustahi
>
> Tim
Ustahi
Harun, we worked together once and not till the end. We will work
again. And you will post again.
Thanks,
Ustahi
Ustahi
> Using
> visualizations without emotion never got anywhere. In order for that to
> happen you have to adopt an entire belief system about spirituality and the
> meaning of the visualizations. For 90% of the people that's not going to
> work.
>
> We trashed it because it failed 90% of the time.
The really fun part is that, beliefs about self are not needed at all.
It's working on a limited context. The same belief will show up again
in some totally other context even after balancing with a good
resource. If balanced once, it shouldn't appear again. That's why
working on the beliefs about self is waste of time. The same ones keep
showing up. Until you work in 'deeper' circle then the same story
repeats itself.
What I'm saying is that once you get to the Realities and deal with
them, the bullshit beliefs about self go away. No need to waste time
looking inside them one by one.
I will say inside Zgjidhja, we don't make up visualisations. Instead
we FIND what's actually really there. You are more an observer than
anything else.
>
> This is is an example of how even though you can use something on yourself
> and get a result, that doesn't translate into a useful tool for other
> people.
Pretty useful may I say. My folks in one 2 one situations have and get
them. If there weren't Results, I wouldn't bother at all.
> Developing new processes to help people is not easy.
Agreed.
>Kim and I dedicated
> years of research and development of the 3-D Mind and the other skills that
> we have come up with that are unique.
But for some reason you kinda foget to give credit on the previous
models. On the other hand, I do.
>
> I know that Usti is just the first of many are going to attempt to take the
> 3-D mind and change it just enough to call it something else.
Look. I never in my life wouldn't trumpet on other's work. In this
case, what I am doing is Substantially different in many ways. So get
even with yourself.
> I know
> they're going to run into a very specific problem. We have already done all
> of the adding and subtracting possible to the 3-D mind.
But you ended up on beliefs about self. And that's wrong.
Feel good,
Rinon HOXHA - Ustahi
>
> Have fun
>
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>
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>
>
>
thesandworm
> Hi folks,
>
> I thought a good idea to comment a bit on this.
>
> Playing with the Zgjidhja model, we are begining to notice a few
> patterns. Not linguistical of course.
>
> words and feelings.
>
>
> The answer is.........with Spirit/Soul. Yep, with your own spirit.
What if "spirit" is not a "thing" but an ongoing process of "no-
thing".
Spirit is how matter is experiences when it no longer congeals.
>
> F>
> A sunk ship. A dead fish. Black tape. A road.
>
> And those were Layered Realities, one upon another. These were the
> Root of her problem.
These are archetypes, as Jung would say. Not realities, but
reflections.
RJ
>
> When we balanced those, everything else dissapeard and the problem was
> non-existent anymore. It's also important to say that what appears
> actually Makes Sense about the context you're working on and in.
>
> The problematic feeling vanished as well.
>
> The Model is still in the testing phase, and in the near future more
> Results to be announced.
>
Ustahi
>
> These are archetypes, as Jung would say. Not realities, but
> reflections.
I'm not familiar with Jung's work at all. But recently have begun to
study Campbell's work. He mentions Jung.
The best words that fits those places are Realities/Metaphors/Worlds.
Call them anyway, just to make sure we're talking the same stuff.
The very interesting thing is that when you begin to access those
Realities and as you go deeper in yourself, amazing worlds can be
found. As well as very ugly ones. Also is worth mentioning that even
characters from Holy books gets presented.
thesandworm
Dude, I don't want to sound like I'm siding with Tom(because I find
his trashing of you to be based on his seeing his market threatened by
a competing product, rather than anything else) but Jung got here way,
WAY before you did.
You are talking about Archetypes. Jung developed an entire school of
psychology and therapy based on the idea of the collective unconscious
and archetypes, and transpersonal realms of experience, all of which,
Vizzini, in his infinite wisdom would dismiss as being nonsense or
useless.
Check out Jung. And check out Stan Grof's book, "Beyond the Brain".
RJ
>
> Rinon HOXHA - Ustahiwww.zgjidhja.com
Nick Kemp
>
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Also see http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/leibniz.htm
A thinker from back in 1714 - Gottfried Leibnitz
Ustahi
Paul,
>
> Dude, I don't want to sound like I'm siding with Tom(because I find
> his trashing of you to be based on his seeing his market threatened by
> a competing product, rather than anything else) but Jung got here way,
> WAY before you did.
That's cool. The best part is that anyone can find and change those
places deliberately.
As I said, not familiar with his work. I will check him in the near
future.
Here's a thing, it's important to realize that there are places beyond
perceptions.
Changing perceptions change the way people look at the world and
there's more.
Just two days ago I worked with someone. We started with emotions then
gradually went deeper,
and there was a point when Realities I'm talking about start showing
up. Boy Lord knows how many
levels deep we got.....I think beyond 30 or so. All Leveled, and more
importantly GREAT places with
different and amazing resources.
>
> Check out Jung. And check out Stan Grof's book, "Beyond the Brain".
I will.
Thanks.
Ustahi
Ustahi
> Also seehttp://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/leibniz...
>
> A thinker from back in 1714 - Gottfried Leibnitz- Hide quoted text -
Thanks Nick.
Ustahi
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> On Mar 6, 6:08 am, "thesandworm" <sandwor...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
>>
>> Dude, I don't want to sound like I'm siding with Tom(because I find
>> his trashing of you to be based on his seeing his market threatened by
>> a competing product, rather than anything else) but Jung got here way,
>> WAY before you did.
>
> That's cool. The best part is that anyone can find and change those
> places deliberately.
> As I said, not familiar with his work. I will check him in the near
> future.
>
> Here's a thing, it's important to realize that there are places beyond
> perceptions.
> Changing perceptions change the way people look at the world and
> there's more.
>
>
(and you don't have to change 'em much to derail
fixated patterns and make them ludicrous)