The most powerful change method every created
Tom Vizzini
Yep that is quite a claim! Read more and give us a change to back it up
First off, let me apologize for not telling you more about the 3-D Mind
Practitioner's seminar coming up this August. If you already know that you
want to sign up just go to the end of this e-mail to the link to the signup
page for the August 3 -D Mind Practitioner's training.
Second, let me give you the reason I have been so bad that promoting this
seminar. We have spent lots of time sending e-mail to people on our various
lists helping them improve their lives. We have spent lots of time improving
our products and our web site in order to teach more people all over the
world about the 3-D Mind.
While other people are busy trying to promote seminars about the same old
stuff and just putting a shiny new package on it, we have been developing
the most powerful personal change method ever put together.
Yes that is quite a claim for us to make!
There have been so many developments in the 3-D Mind in the past year that
they are hard to keep up with. The only way that we can actually teach
everything that has been developed in the past several years in the 3-D Mind
is to hold a three-day practitioner's training.
The 3-D Mind is the most powerful and yet most easy-to-understand method for
personal change ever developed.
I tell you this for two important reasons:
1. I say this because if we do not tell you about the success of the 3-D
Mind model that you will never know about the success it has generated. As a
result you will never learn all the extraordinary things that you will be
able to do and that you will be able to achieve.
2. I tell you this because you may not know how different we are then all
the "gurus" out there trying to teach you ways to improve their lives.
Believe me, the "gurus" out there know about our success-a great many of
them don't want YOU to know because you'll find out what we do is successful
and in many cases completely contradicts what they teach.
Here comes there nearly useless and almost always wrong advice others will
tell you and my opinion of it:
1. Examine your past to find out WHERE your problem started... Sure I
suppose it's always a good idea to really get you lost in the emotions of
your past before trying to make any advancement in changing where you are
now. The past is irrelevant trivia. It will bore me if you try to tell me
about it.
2. When you find the problem reprogram your mind like it was a computer with
no emotions or choice.. Right, cut off all conscious resources that would
actually make you become more flexible and have more choices on a conscious
level. Absolutely ridiculous advice.
3. Learn a complex linguistic model to try to force your brain to think
differently or get in a deep enough trance in your life will magically
change.. I guess you could spend a year or so try to learn how to speak in a
certain way that is totally unnatural and only affects the linguistic
centers of the brain. It's like getting a flat tire and just revving the
engine higher to make the car move anyway.
4. If you don't learn the skills that you obviously need to come to the next
level seminar so you can finally figure out what the REAL SECRET is.. Maybe
after three or four levels of seminars you can finally start getting results
or run out of money in which case all of your problems will then be solved.
5. Now for the ultimate in ridiculous. You don't need to practice.
You don't need to know what's going on. You don't need to understand. All
you need is to buy my newest product or come to my next level of seminars
and we will install all the skills you need and your unconscious mind
.That's great if you want to be a lifetime follower. I keep hearing of the
same people going to the same seminar over and over and over for a period of
years. They want to have the "experience".
6. Use positive thinking or endless affirmations to overpower your
problems...Sure being positive is a good idea but when reality challenges
you pretend beliefs they will shatter. Pretend beliefs are just that,
pretend.
Hey, laugh all you want but this is what the personal change gurus will tell
you time and time again. The funny thing is all they care about is getting
you to spend more of your dough on their programs.
Fork over the money and they promise that you will eventually feel better or
understand the skills.
Here are the kinds of things that they DON'T want you to see:
"I lifted over 6 1/2 years worth of depression in only 10 minutes the day
after receiving my 3D Mind tapes! I had seen counselors at school, been to a
couple of trainings in 1999 & 2000, and even turned to religion but NOTHING
STUCK for the long term."
I received the 3D Mind tapes on Monday, March 7, 2005 and cleared up my 6
1/2 year depression on either Tuesday or Wednesday in only 10 minutes"
Ash
I promised Tom that I'd update him and I want to let him and the group know
that because of the objectivity I have gained from using 3-d mind I was able
to find some alternative sources of therapy to balance my body. I want to
report that I feel healed and I have been totally off my prescription for a
month.
Before I was stuck taking toxic medication that really didn't help heal me.
It was only like a band aid fixing the outward symptoms of this disease.
Further, the drugs had some nasty side effects. If there was an occasion
where I couldn't take it I'd run the risk of literally bleeding to death!!
THIS WAS A SERIOUS PHYSICAL AILMENT THAT SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME AND CAST
A DARK CLOUD ON MY FUTURE. 3-D mind somehow opened some new pathways up in
my brain and allowed me to think in new beneficial ways. I can't begin to
use language to describe just how much this has changed my life.
I instead am using a much less expensive natural "probiotic nutritional
supplement" that is working better than the drugs were and is actually good
for my body with no side effects. I definitely attribute this to being in
Hawaii and learning 3-D Mind back in November of 2003. I just don't think
that I'd have been able to "step outside" of my illness otherwise and look
for new ways of fixing it. I didn't know just how "stuck" I was.
Rick
Hi, I got my tapes less than 2 weeks. I'd been reading the essential skills
group posts and had heard how great they were. So despite originally wanting
to find an NLP hypnotherapist to help me with my severe phobia I thought I'd
give 3D Mind a go first.
The following morning I got to work 20 mins early and walked around the
canal near the office. Previously I've walked 40 mins out of my way to avoid
crossing the bridges, previously I wouldn't have given the bridges a
second's thought as I WOULD NOT have even contemplated crossing them. Just
to seriously think about perhaps crossing the bridge would have put my
stress at 20 out of 10 (shaking, crying, hyperventilating). On this day as I
approached the bridge, I felt like the eyes of the world were on me I
climbed the steps, crossed and climbed down on the other side, my stress
rating was 6 out of 10. WOW!!!! from 20/10 just thinking about it to 6/10 in
doing it.
So I then went and did the other two bridges. The Millenium Bridge over the
Thames is next on my hit list...
But thank you so much for helping me uncover my bridge skill.
Claire
I am really satisfied with the 3-D Mind. I have worked with the 3-D Mind for
half a year now. For me it's the GREATEST "masterwork", piece of art that is
around in the personal change work field. It is not a fraction of the
hundreds of videos or audio CDs I have.
I am feeling person and this is the first change tool that has ever worked
for me.
Philip
Hi Tom
I used the 3D Mind on a client, she feared a hospital appointment with
suspected cancer. Did 3d mind on her fear and worry , it took 5 minds to do
and that was 10 months ago, she said to me last week that, she did not know
what I did but she had no fear or worry about it even now.
She is clear by the way.
Great stuff 3d mind.
Regards
Dez sellars
Natural choice healing clinic
http://www.completemindtherapy.com
Hey Tom,
Just wanted to say how impressed I was with the 3d mind video - what a
brilliant model you and Kim have developed! Well done for thinking so
differently. When everyone else was playing with rep systems and
submodalities, you guys chunked down in another way - to driver states. It's
a great model and I think it definitely leaves a lot of the previous NLP
tools in the dust. Well done and keep up the great work.
All the best,
Michael Norman
Mic...@ReferralMagicEbook.com
P.S. What impressed me even more than your model is that you're obviously
people who genuinely care about people. You deserve all the good stuff that
comes your way!
And these are not even 1% of the testimonials that we have received.
Up until now self help books and personal change work have been manipulating
behaviors and beliefs by trying to overpower them, endlessly examine them,
or reprogram them in order to make changes in people.
The 3D Mind (tm) changes things from the totally opposite side of the
equation. Instead of behaviors and beliefs being the core of the change, the
3D Mind (tm) is turning NLP and hypnosis upside down with one simple
premise.
Behaviors and beliefs are constructed of the cluster of associated states.
By looking at this structure we have been able to make some very powerful
long-lasting changes in just a few short minutes.
This is totally reversed from the theory that beliefs and behaviors are what
get you into unproductive states. They are the symptoms of problems not
problems themselves. So you don't have to bang away at someone's core
beliefs and values to get a permanent powerful change. You don't have to
make them feel bad about what they are doing now and feel good ONLY if they
make the suggested change. You don't have to have to relive traumatic events
in order to make powerful personal change.
The 3D Mind makes powerful change easy, fun and fast. In just a few short
days you will be able to easily identify the structure of any problem and
have the resources to release it. Not only will you learn to help yourself
but also how easily you will be able to help others.
..Is this the kind of personal change method you would like to learn in
order to help yourself and others?..
The three-month practitioner training will take place in Atlanta on August
19 through August 21. There is only one week left to get the early discount
price of only $595. As of July 19 to the price will almost double. This is
three days that will change your life and your understanding of how your
brain works.
The seminar is designed for you to learn how to change your self.
If you plan on sitting in the seminar like a long in his seat and having
change magically occur then this is NOT the seminar for you.
You will have to put in the effort. You will have to practice and study. You
will have to follow instructions. You are in charge of your own "personal"
change. We're not going to change you. We're not holding private sessions.
We are teaching you the type of personal change method to you can take with
you and use the rest of your life without ever having topay us a one more
nickel.
For more information on the seminar go to
http://www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1058
Best,
Tom Vizzini and Kim McFarland
P.S. The following weekend will be the Essential Skills Accelerated Seminar.
This is the seminar that will give you the foundation to move for the world
more persuasively and more powerfully than you could have ever imagined. It
is a great follow-up to enhance your skills for the 3-D Mind Practitioner
training. The early signed up for that also expires in one week.
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
s...@adelphia.com:
> Subject: The most powerful change method every created
The scary thing about spam is that at least once in a while it must
actually work. (The Onion.)
NlpRapist
> The most powerful change method every created
Come on Tom... thats a hell of a statement. I have the 3D Mind tapes, but
haven't found the time to go thru them yet. Maybe I should make time with
you making that bold of a statement.
The main reason I haven't found time yet is....Tom....please stop laughing
at your own jokes...its annoying....:)....and please name your products in a
more professional manner...:)...just my two cents which means shit.
NlpRapist
August Pamplona
> The most powerful change method every created
>
> Yep that is quite a claim! Read more and give us a change to back it up
>
> First off, let me apologize for not telling you more about the 3-D Mind
> Practitioner's seminar coming up this August.
No really, it's quite all right.
Now please kindly FOAD, spammer.
[snip]
TIA,
August Pamplona
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"NlpRapist" <S...@manchester.com> wrote in message
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Wow how easily one can find a reason to stay stuck. Hey, hate me that's
find. Hate my style of having fun while I teach, that's fine. Hate the
titles of our products, that's fine. At least have the brains to try the 3D
Mind process.
It will change you life. As a NlpRapist...that might help you to a rapist at
all.
Tom
Tom Vizzini
"Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <ne...@newb.com> wrote in message
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As you know all too well Onion :)
Have fun
Tom
humble.life
NlpRapist
>> Come on Tom... thats a hell of a statement. I have the 3D Mind tapes, but
>> haven't found the time to go thru them yet. Maybe I should make time with
>> you making that bold of a statement.
>> The main reason I haven't found time yet is....Tom....please stop
>> laughing
>> at your own jokes...its annoying....:)....and please name your products
>> in
> a
>> more professional manner...:)...just my two cents which means shit.
>
> Wow how easily one can find a reason to stay stuck. Hey, hate me that's
> find. Hate my style of having fun while I teach, that's fine. Hate the
> titles of our products, that's fine. At least have the brains to try the
> 3D
> Mind process.
Tom, I never said I hated you. Quite the contrary, I find that you are a
very bright man. Are you being attacked as of late or something?
I'm not the first to bring up you laughing at your own jokes.....why do you
find that offensive? As for the name..look at it..3D Mind...something that
is as important and powerful as you say derserves a more creative,
scientific name does it not? The point is, the name of a product affects
people who may or may not purchase it.
As for being stuck, you are right there....there are many things I want to
achieve and I'm procrastinating about it. I've listened to the first tape
and other matters came to the forfront as they always seem to do, therefore
I'll have to start over. I have most of your products (finished them all
except for 3D) and find them well worth the money spent.
You have quite the attitude today for someone that is a teacher of life
changing products...:)
>
> It will change you life. As a NlpRapist...that might help you to a rapist
> at
> all.
Laughing, I call myself this because Ray calls me this. Passionate men as
myself are incapable of rape.
Tell you what, I'll set aside one day this weekend or next, but no later.
Will you be interested in knowing if it changed my life or not?
NlpRapist
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
Lash Rambo
Spam mowed my lawn!
Ivan Marsh
> The most powerful change method every created
You need the most powerful spell checker every created.
--
"Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed."
Benjamin Franklin (I didn't know he was a Buddhist)
Lash Rambo
> The most powerful change method every created
Ah-HA! I thought "Vizzini" might have been a made-up name. Consider
yourself outed, Mr. CHICK!!!
Greg Alexander
I'm reading this in the NLP group so I'll have an NLP attitude to my
answers.
Tom Vizzini wrote:
> Here comes there nearly useless and almost always wrong advice others will
> tell you and my opinion of it:
Hi Tom. I'm able to accept it's possible that some people say the
below, though most I have not heard. Would you mind giving just one
example of which "others" say these things?
(I know one example doesn't really prove anything, it's just a start)
> 1. Examine your past to find out WHERE your problem started...
Agreed. This is especially visible in many psychotherapies.
Note that exploring where a problem started can be useful when it is an
opening to explore what's going on now - but some counsellors simply
relive the past with no relationship to the present.
NLP (and yourself I guess?), explores what's going on now.
> 2. When you find the problem reprogram your mind like it was a computer
> with no emotions or choice..
Interesting... where'd you hear this?
I've heard people say "reprogram your mind" but I've not heard "like it
was a computer" nor "with no emotions or choice".
> 3. Learn a complex linguistic model to try to force your brain to
> think differently
Do you mean metamodel or something else?
My experience with the metamodel is that, although it has several
patterns and questions to learn, when used it's quite a gentle and easy
way of thinking differently. If you want to learn a simplified model
the Verbal Package is also good.
> or get in a deep enough trance in your life will magically change..
Sounds interesting hehehe. Well, trance has many meanings.
Anyway, where'd you hear this? Just one example is enough.
> 4. If you don't learn the skills that you obviously need to come to the
> next level seminar so you can finally figure out what the REAL SECRET is..
I guess some dodgy trainings would say this. Have you got specific
examples?
(Nice sentence construction by the way. ;-)
Did you say you didn't use linguistic models or just that you don't
think they work?
> 5. You don't need to practice.
Yeah sounds dodgy too. Have you got specific examples of anyone saying
that?
> You don't need to know what's going on. You don't need to understand.
Ahh.. what does understanding mean though (or "knowing what's going
on")?
Knowing why a pattern works, is quite different to being able to do the
pattern.
So what are you saying?
> 6. Use positive thinking or endless affirmations to overpower your
> problems...
A few places do say this. Like many things, there are certain patterns
of thinking which are helpful and I've heard affirmations use these
patterns sometimes, and sometimes use the opposite. The trick is, as
with anything, to use the patterns that work.
I'm not asking for lots of examples for your statements above, just one
for each. I know there are various qualities of NLP teachings and other
teachings but I'm interested in identifying if there are some that are
as dodgy as you say.
Anyway I agree find a good, reputable trainer, preferably with
recognised training standards. It's worth searching earlier posts on
how to select good NLP trainers
Greg
Greg Alexander
> > 2. When you find the problem reprogram your mind like it was a computer
> > with no emotions or choice..
>
> was a computer" nor "with no emotions or choice".
Oops. Didn't mean to say that - I have certainly heard "reprogram your
mind like it was a computer" (along with many other metaphors for what
your mind is like). Just haven't heard "no emotions or choice".
As I said, there's bound to be people who say these kinds of things,
hopefully groups that don't hang around long. "No choice"?!
GlennT
> The most powerful change method every created
20,000 volts should do it.
If you want to tell someone what you think of them then first you
should walk a mile in their shoes.
Therefore when they react you'll be a mile away and also you will
have their shoes.
(Forgot whose quote this was but I thought your thread needed
some more entertainment.)
Tom Vizzini
> very bright man. Are you being attacked as of late or something?
Nah my point is that if you let little things get in the way of learning
something valuable then it is silly.
> I'm not the first to bring up you laughing at your own jokes.
What you don't here is a whole room full of people laughing. That doesn't
come across on a recording sometimes. But of course I think what I am saying
it funny....or I would not say it :)
....why do you
> find that offensive?
I don't. I find it an excuse for some people to noe learn.
As for the name..look at it..3D Mind...something that
> is as important and powerful as you say derserves a more creative,
> scientific name does it not?
You mean like NLP? No it does not need a 'scientific ' name. 3d Mind
perfectly describes the 3 dimensional nature of the mind and reality. It
describes how people project their reality and how pliable that reality can
be.
The point is, the name of a product affects
> people who may or may not purchase it.
OK gve me a suggestion.
> As for being stuck, you are right there....there are many things I want to
> achieve and I'm procrastinating about it. I've listened to the first tape
> and other matters came to the forfront as they always seem to do,
therefore
> I'll have to start over. I have most of your products (finished them all
> except for 3D) and find them well worth the money spent.
Thanks.
> You have quite the attitude today for someone that is a teacher of life
> changing products...:)
Here is an example of your reality being projected onto me. My response was
all tongue in cheek. You see something different.
>
> >
> > It will change you life. As a NlpRapist...that might help you to a
rapist
> > at
> > all.
>
> Laughing, I call myself this because Ray calls me this. Passionate men as
> myself are incapable of rape.
Ahh Ray....
> Tell you what, I'll set aside one day this weekend or next, but no later.
> Will you be interested in knowing if it changed my life or not?
Yep. Make sure you get an invite to the 3D Mind list that is for people who
have the product.
See you there
Tom
>
Tom Vizzini
"Lash Rambo" <l...@fakeaddr.com> wrote in message
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Sorry but that is my real name. Our site is www.essential-skills.com . Feel
free to check it out.
Tom
Tom Vizzini
"Greg Alexander" <gale...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> I'm reading this in the NLP group so I'll have an NLP attitude to my
> answers.
>
> Tom Vizzini wrote:
> > Here comes there nearly useless and almost always wrong advice others
will
> > tell you and my opinion of it:
>
> Hi Tom. I'm able to accept it's possible that some people say the
> below, though most I have not heard. Would you mind giving just one
> example of which "others" say these things?
>
> (I know one example doesn't really prove anything, it's just a start)
Sorry I am not going to get into meta land. You have heard ALL these things
at one time or another. I have heard all of them from various NLP trainers.
I am not interested in reframing them to find excuses for people who have
said them.
Anyone who has searched for self help in books, tapes of seminars has heard
these ridiculus excuses for advice.
The point is that in the 3D Mind, we have eliminated all of them.
Have fun
Tom
Tom Vizzini
Structurally reprogramming does not lead to choice. The presuposition is
that the brain is a computer that CAN be reprogrammed in a useful way. We
have found that to be totally untrue. If you reprogram to any extent then
you are trapped by the limits and boundares of that program. It functions in
ONLY the reactive layer of the brain and does not tap into the creative
adaptive areas of the brain.
The way the 3D Mind works is to look at brain function at structure not as
programming. Programming is a very flawed way to look at brain function.
Have fun
Tom
>
NlpRapist
>
>> I'm not the first to bring up you laughing at your own jokes.
>
> What you don't here is a whole room full of people laughing. That doesn't
> come across on a recording sometimes. But of course I think what I am
> saying
> it funny....or I would not say it :)
Ahh....never occured to me....I would work with the audio then, the mikes or
editing.
> As for the name..look at it..3D Mind...something that
>> is as important and powerful as you say derserves a more creative,
>> scientific name does it not?
>
> You mean like NLP? No it does not need a 'scientific ' name. 3d Mind
> perfectly describes the 3 dimensional nature of the mind and reality. It
> describes how people project their reality and how pliable that reality
> can
> be.
Laughing, well you do have a point there about NLP.
>
> The point is, the name of a product affects
>> people who may or may not purchase it.
>
> OK gve me a suggestion.
I will when I finish the course, if you really want it.
>
>> You have quite the attitude today for someone that is a teacher of life
>> changing products...:)
>
> Here is an example of your reality being projected onto me. My response
> was
> all tongue in cheek. You see something different.
I didn't see it as tongue in cheek, if I exercised poor discernment, then I
apologize. But to be honest I still see it as I did at first.
>> Tell you what, I'll set aside one day this weekend or next, but no later.
>> Will you be interested in knowing if it changed my life or not?
>
> Yep. Make sure you get an invite to the 3D Mind list that is for people
> who
> have the product.
No offense, I'm not interested in being on the list. I have little time as
it is.
NlpRapist
Greg Alexander
Tom Vizzini wrote:
> "Greg Alexander" <gale...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
> > Tom wrote:
> > > 2. When you find the problem reprogram your mind like it was a
> > > computer with no emotions or choice..
> >
> > I have certainly heard "reprogram your mind like it was a
> > computer" (along with many other metaphors for what
> > your mind is like). Just haven't heard "no emotions or choice".
>
> Structurally reprogramming does not lead to choice.
Yeah but do NLP trainings say that you reprogram without choice?
On rereading, you may have meant that they say "reprogram your mind
like a computer"... and your reply to that is "yeah, with no emotions
or choice". Is that what you mean?
> The presuposition is that the brain is a computer that CAN be
> reprogrammed in a useful way. We have found that to be totally untrue.
Your brain is not a computer and isn't programmed like one.
It is possible to take reprogramming as a metaphor for change work.
.. and changework is quite possible.
> If you reprogram to any extent then you are trapped by the limits
> and boundares of that program.
You're buying into their presupposition.
Either it is a computer and can be reprogrammed and then you're
limited,
or the brain is not a computer, and programming is just a metaphor for
change work, and change work doesn't confine us to those boundaries.
> It functions in ONLY the reactive layer of the brain and does not tap
> into the creative adaptive areas of the brain.
What makes you say that the metaphor of reprogramming only works on the
reactive layer? (presupposing we have one).
> The way the 3D Mind works is to look at brain function at structure not as
> programming. Programming is a very flawed way to look at brain function.
I don't like the term "programming" myself. There are much better
metaphors.
Greg
Tom Vizzini
> > > your mind is like). Just haven't heard "no emotions or choice".
> >
> > Structurally reprogramming does not lead to choice.
>
> Yeah but do NLP trainings say that you reprogram without choice?
I am not talking about what they say. I am talking about the result. While a
new program may be better than what was happening before, it ultimately
limits the client to the liits of that program.
>
> On rereading, you may have meant that they say "reprogram your mind
> like a computer"... and your reply to that is "yeah, with no emotions
> or choice". Is that what you mean?
It is about TREATING the mind as a computer that can simply be reprogrammed.
>
> > The presuposition is that the brain is a computer that CAN be
> > reprogrammed in a useful way. We have found that to be totally untrue.
>
> Your brain is not a computer and isn't programmed like one.
>
> It is possible to take reprogramming as a metaphor for change work.
> .. and changework is quite possible.
Then it is not to be programmed at all. NLP expensively uses the computer
metaphor as a way to reprogram. Hence the name NLPROGRAMMING.
>
> > If you reprogram to any extent then you are trapped by the limits
> > and boundares of that program.
>
> You're buying into their presupposition.
> Either it is a computer and can be reprogrammed and then you're
> limited,
> or the brain is not a computer, and programming is just a metaphor for
> change work, and change work doesn't confine us to those boundaries.
I am talking about things like the swish pattern that simpley takes the
input from one picture and install it into another. Installation is a
programming term.
>
> > It functions in ONLY the reactive layer of the brain and does not tap
> > into the creative adaptive areas of the brain.
>
> What makes you say that the metaphor of reprogramming only works on the
> reactive layer? (presupposing we have one).
Do some research on the actual biology of the brain. The reactive part of
the brain is in the few millimeters on the outside of the brain. The
connections of that layer of the brain run vertically into the retilian area
of the brain.
On the other hand, when you tap into the creative adaptive, the most outer
layer of the brain, the connections are web like and interconnect.
Programming does not reach this part of the brain. Programming is also a
method of overpoering a belief or response and heading it in another
direction. Over amplified states for change never work. They are too hard to
keep going.
>
> > The way the 3D Mind works is to look at brain function at structure not
as
> > programming. Programming is a very flawed way to look at brain function.
>
> I don't like the term "programming" myself. There are much better
> metaphors.
That is my point. Too many people, including Bandler, use the computer model
of reprogramming for change. The same for anyone who uses "engineering" in
the title of what they do. The brain is not a machine and should not be
treated like one.
Have fun
Tom
Tom Vizzini
>
> >
> >> I'm not the first to bring up you laughing at your own jokes.
> >
> > What you don't here is a whole room full of people laughing. That
doesn't
> > come across on a recording sometimes. But of course I think what I am
> > saying
> > it funny....or I would not say it :)
>
>
> Ahh....never occured to me....I would work with the audio then, the mikes
or
> editing.
>
>
>
> > As for the name..look at it..3D Mind...something that
> >> is as important and powerful as you say derserves a more creative,
> >> scientific name does it not?
> >
> > You mean like NLP? No it does not need a 'scientific ' name. 3d Mind
> > perfectly describes the 3 dimensional nature of the mind and reality. It
> > describes how people project their reality and how pliable that reality
> > can
> > be.
>
>
> Laughing, well you do have a point there about NLP.
Yep
>
>
> >
> > The point is, the name of a product affects
> >> people who may or may not purchase it.
> >
> > OK gve me a suggestion.
>
>
> I will when I finish the course, if you really want it.
Sure :)
>
>
> >
> >> You have quite the attitude today for someone that is a teacher of life
> >> changing products...:)
> >
> > Here is an example of your reality being projected onto me. My response
> > was
> > all tongue in cheek. You see something different.
>
>
>
> I didn't see it as tongue in cheek, if I exercised poor discernment, then
I
> apologize. But to be honest I still see it as I did at first.
Even when told you still filter the same? Damn shame.
>
>
> >> Tell you what, I'll set aside one day this weekend or next, but no
later.
> >> Will you be interested in knowing if it changed my life or not?
> >
> > Yep. Make sure you get an invite to the 3D Mind list that is for people
> > who
> > have the product.
>
>
> No offense, I'm not interested in being on the list. I have little time as
> it is.
Then you are missing 3 years of evolution of the model. It is so much more
refined than in the DVD you have. The DVD is a great start but the group is
how we keep people up to date.
You should consider it.
Tom
NlpRapist
>> > Yep. Make sure you get an invite to the 3D Mind list that is for people
>> > who
>> > have the product.
>>
>>
>> No offense, I'm not interested in being on the list. I have little time
>> as
>> it is.
>
> Then you are missing 3 years of evolution of the model. It is so much more
> refined than in the DVD you have. The DVD is a great start but the group
> is
> how we keep people up to date.
>
> You should consider it.
>
> Tom
>
> www.essential-skills.com
>>
>
>
>
is, most likly I would make time for the list.
NlpRapist
Ray Gordon
>> very bright man. Are you being attacked as of late or something?
>
> Nah my point is that if you let little things get in the way of learning
> something valuable then it is silly.
That presumes that what is "learned" is of value in the first place.
> ....why do you
>> find that offensive?
>
> I don't. I find it an excuse for some people to noe learn.
That presumes that what is "learned" is of value in the first place.
>
> As for the name..look at it..3D Mind...something that
>> is as important and powerful as you say derserves a more creative,
>> scientific name does it not?
>
> You mean like NLP? No it does not need a 'scientific ' name. 3d Mind
> perfectly describes the 3 dimensional nature of the mind and reality. It
> describes how people project their reality and how pliable that reality
> can
> be.
How pliable is your reality?
jjt
>How pliable is your reality?
-------------------------
Let's ask Gordon Roy "..if it were legal, I'd.." Parker:
>] From: ask...@hotmail.com
>] Subject: Re: Guess what? Ray won't talk to me!!! =)
>] Date: 1998/03/19
>] Message-ID: <6esj9d$7ak$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>] Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>]
>] As for being her Number One Fan, I claimed that title during our
>] blowout over Bela. What's not to love about a 13 year-old with
>] the intensity of Madonna? Couldn't help it.
--------------------
>] From: ray...@hotmail.com
>] Subject: Re: Confirm it or SHUT UP!
>] Date: 1998/04/05
>] Message-ID: <6g7jat$v9s$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>] Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>]
>] Whether you choose to believe it or not, the story is true.
>] Dominique Moceanu really is An American Slave. To cheer her
>] gymnastics is to root for child abuse, and that is something
>] I refuse to do. To punish her for her personality that cries
>] out that she is an abused child is also a crime in my book,
>] and that is why she has my unconditional love, and why she
>] always will, whether she loves me enough to want to marry me,
>] whether she hates me enough to want to kill me, or both.
-----------------------
>] From: sotw...@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
>] Subject: Re: Dominique
>] Date: 1997/12/27
>] Message-ID: <34a5602a...@news.mindspring.com>#1/1
>] X-Deja-AN: 310586820
>] References: <34a43380....@news.mindspring.com>
>] <682vli$52p$1...@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>] X-Server-Date: 27 Dec 1997 20:11:50 GMT
>] Organization: ICN
>] Reply-To: sotwa...@mindspring.com
>] Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>]
>] I talked to Dominique almost every day for SIX MONTHS, and
>] talked to her many times this week alone. Also talked with
>] her for an hour on her 16th birthday. Did you?
>]
>] Have fun with your unrequited obsession. At least Dominique
>] WANTS to talk to me sometimes...
------------------
>] From: ask...@hotmail.com
>] Subject: Re: Dominique Sends A Signal
>] Date: 1998/03/20
>] Message-ID: <6eus1p$fpf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1
>] X-Deja-AN: 336058962
>] Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>] X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 20 22:55:54 1998 GMT
>] Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>]
>] I love Dominique very much. Not sexually, not romantically,
>] don't even know if there's a category for it. She has more
>] class in one of her molecules than the rest of the world seems
>] to have in its collective bodies, minds, and souls.>
----------------
According to the biography on her official website, Dominique
Moceanu was 14 years old at the Atlanta Olympics, meaning that
in 1997 she would have been only 15. She was 16 in 1998..
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] From: Nice Guys Get Screwed Over <you___will...@juno.com>
] Subject: Why Lawyers Are Pathetic BOYS: Sexual Harassment And
] Discrimination In The Legal Profession
] Date: 2000/03/07
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]
] Sexual harassment and discrimination occur a lot in law because
] men hold the power, and women like the plush office environments
] and relatively easy work at high pay. Many legal secretaries were
] once gymnasts, dominatrixes, strippers, dancers, Hooter Girls,
] and other female sexual performers.
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>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Not
>>a one."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not
>>live in or work in because of illegal behavior. I hope those
>>who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD
>>today.........."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies
>>which hire "office whores" and the like. I have no sympathy for
>>employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I
>>couldn't think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"Now you know what it's like to see your horrors mocked the way mine
>>have been. That's not mental illness, that's a political message,
>>apparently delivered quite brilliantly."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Their own
>>evil is what prevented me from being among the dead, and which added the
>>"Unknown Office Whore" to their numbers because god forbid some loser
>>executive would have to hire a man.Those corporations could have hired
>>me, put me to work in that building, let me live in NYC, and experience
>>all of the fun that's going on up there now."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11
----------------------------------------
------ Gordon Roy Parker threatening children, the sick and elderly --------
>>Subject: Re: May Lissa's Mom DIE PAINFULLY ANDROT IN HELL****
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:13:02 -0600
>>From: ray...@hotmail.com
>>Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>>Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> ****Disclaimer: I was discriminated against on the basis of
>>gender today and told point-blank that this was the reason. Having been
>>taunted by the WHOREDENS and by Lissa over this, I consider it only fair
>>to return similar sentiments. When I get a full apology from Lissa, and
>>from Dave, and his website and RayFAQ go down, I will CONSIDER changing
>>my attitude.
>> Ray, first of all STOP CURSING, KIDS READ THIS TOO!! Dave, lol!
>>HA HAHA! dang! oh shit! maaaaaan...! lol! hmmmaaaa! Ray's gonna sue you!
>>looool!!!! [laughing] shit.... hire me as your lawyer. he he ha ha ha...
>>loooll
>> <----Stop Cursing? FUCK YOU. FUCK GYMNAST WHORES TOO. They
>>know DAMN well what goes on and what harmed me and they LAUGH at it.
>>May they all do a GOMEZ on vault and have the ambulance do a GRIVICH on
>>the way to the hospital if they are going to laugh at my career road
>>blocks, sexual road blocks that they CLAIM to disapprove of...except
>>when they need a job, so then it's okay to show a little ass, as long as
>>the boss doesn't try to touch that ass. FUCK THEM. They're moral
>>GARBAGE! They know it too; that's why they can't stand hearing it; if
>>it weren't true they wouldn't care. They're good for ONE THING and ONE
>>THING only, and they know that too. If they want me to be nice to them,
>>let them undo a few years of damage and apologize for THEIR attitudes.
>>They bring this shit on themselves with their arrogance. Spoiled BRATS.
>> You think my suing Dave and Dominique is a joke? Keep laughing.
>>Please. I'd love it if you did. You want to be Dave's lawyer? Go right
>>ahead. You punks think this is playtime; you're in for an awfully rude
>>shock. I gave fair warning. Dave(and Dominique through Dave) said "Go
>>for it." I will. I'll go for every last ounce of gold that resides in
>>both their scumbag pockets.
>> See, I was being a NICE GUY about this before. I decided not to
>>be NICE anymore. I get really FUCKING PISSED OFFwhen people mock my
>>pain, enough to where I start focusing my energy on THEIR pain. Lissa's
>>pain. The pain of watching her mother die the same death my secretarial
>>career died. Yes, that death. I know what it's like to watch something
>>you love die. Watching my father die right in front of my eyes at age
>>12 wasn't as painful as watching women get sexually harassed by their
>>bosses, but that was nothing compared to the pain of seeing women mock
>>the issue, like it were okay, like they couldn't have the courage to do
>>the right thing.
>> Lissa, watch your mom fade away and think of mycareer, and then
>>think of the fact that I can revive my career. Noone will be able to
>>revive your mom. No one. She's DYING, and she's DYING slowly. Does she
>>even remember your name anymore? I don't think so.....you think Dave's
>>such a nice guy? I don't. Hedoes that page for you, Missy, Dominique,
>>and all those wonderful girls who worship him. You think he's going to
>>get away with it? He's not. If you want to see God's punishment for your
>>treatment of me, watch it in your mom.
>> My last spell went to Jaycie's knees. She still competing?
>>Nope. The next one goes to Lissa's mom. Note her condition today and
>>see how she progresses from here. Don't mess with a psychic. After
>>this one is done I'll start REALLY wishing for some Gomez action on the
>>vault, and I'll start naming names and focusing ALL of my psychic energy
>>on it.
Greg Alexander
> "Greg Alexander" <gale...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi Tom. I'm able to accept it's possible that some people say the
> > below, though most I have not heard. Would you mind giving just one
> > example of which "others" say these things?
>
> at one time or another. I have heard all of them from various NLP trainers.
Ahh well, if you can't defend what you say then don't say it :)
I know some courses that do what you say, not many that would use your
words.
Let's reword what you've said.
For instance, there are certainly trainings for people (and
practitioners) to:
1) help by simply exploring the past
2) reprogram your mind with new options
3a) teach you questions to clear up your interpretation of the world
3b) use hypnosis to feel better
6) use positive affirmations
and some of those trainings probably
4) push for more and more courses with them
5) say you don't need to practice.
And some of these are ineffective. Exploring the past and affirmations
only help if you learn (or know) certain underlying patterns. Hypnosis
needs certain patterns for change.
Conversely, the metamodel is effective. Reprogramming your mind is a
bad metaphor (though NLP has removed itself quite a bit from its
original "programming" metaphors)
I see you're now saying NLP trainers say all those things? (not just
self help groups etc). I'd rule that out of #1, #3b, and #6 in general.
> I am not interested in reframing them to find excuses for people who have
> said them.
God no.
But lets avoid reframing what they actually said to make it sound
stupid.
Lets just actually help people to change eh?
> The point is that in the 3D Mind, we have eliminated all of them.
I'm sure 3D mind has some slips of its own :)
Greg
Tom Vizzini
> Tom Vizzini wrote:
> > "Greg Alexander" <gale...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > Hi Tom. I'm able to accept it's possible that some people say the
> > > below, though most I have not heard. Would you mind giving just one
> > > example of which "others" say these things?
> >
> > Sorry I am not going to get into meta land. You have heard ALL these
things
> > at one time or another. I have heard all of them from various NLP
trainers.
>
> Ahh well, if you can't defend what you say then don't say it :)
Nice reframe but still I am not biting.
>
> I know some courses that do what you say, not many that would use your
> words.
Not many are willing to use the words...
>
> I see you're now saying NLP trainers say all those things? (not just
> self help groups etc). I'd rule that out of #1, #3b, and #6 in general.
Nice try at using the Meta Mess. No I am not going to bite into the "ALL"
apple. Timelines are ineffective. Hypnosis is rarely fully effective.
Endless liguistic gymnastics is ineffective. The Meta Model istself is an
overly complicated mess of a model
>
>
> > I am not interested in reframing them to find excuses for people who
have
> > said them.
>
> God no.
> But lets avoid reframing what they actually said to make it sound
> stupid.
> Lets just actually help people to change eh?
Lets point out what IS stupid. Lets point out what IS NOT working. If you
can't see where the advice I have pointed out is ineffective then it is you
that is reframing it so that you can still feel good about giving lame
advice.
>
> > The point is that in the 3D Mind, we have eliminated all of them.
>
> I'm sure 3D mind has some slips of its own :)
Tell me one...... The difference is that I am highly educated in all the
subjects I mentioned. I tried all of them. So when I say that are ridiculus
I am talking from experience. :)
On the other hand...what do you know of the 3D Mind?
Have fun
Tom
Garry Freemyer
funny stuff. It feels fine, It keeps me centered when I might have spiraled
into a depression, I find that sometimes I MUST use it to abort a dark veil
of pain when I feel it coming, and it works!
I'm sorry it's annoying to you. I don't understand why it is, but I don't
have to understand it, I just have to accept that it does, but I'm
wondering, is the habit of laughing at one's self, or one's own jokes a
symptom?
If it's a symptom of something, I suppose laughter is a whole lot better
than other symptoms such as make the morbid stories on the front page, if I
had a choice of a symptom to have, the ability to laugh at myself seems to
be a quite pleasureable choice to me.
A good friend once asked me if I would ever invite a donkey with fleas and
dust into my home to mess on my carpet and I said of course not. Then he
asked me if I would invite that donkey if it had a backpack of gold on it
and I said yep, you betcha, even if it is laughing. :)
Regards.
NlpRapist
you tell a joke, its common practice not to laugh until the audience does.
NlpRapist
E. U. Reka
Garry Freemyer
laughing either. :)
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E. U. Reka
humble.life wrote:
> Just fucking tell me you tit.
Take a look at the Vanishing Shyness testimonial and comb through the
messages on the free Riggiomodel yahoo group.
It's Riggiomodel. Jump into the resource state. Go to where the
problem isn't.
Or you can comb through the Mythoself group messages but it's
proprietary.
Go to where the problem isn't. Compare with limiting beliefs. WTF.
You're done.