I will state again...
I have been doing financial abundance training for years. It is
unique, totally my own material, and it could not in any way contain
any of Tom's material because I have never bought, borrowed, attended
his seminars or listened to tapes or videos.
I saw he had a money magnet email and while it was posted a while
back, I didnt read it. He sent it to me again (at my request, to see
what he is doing with the money magnet) and I only read a little bit.
It had very little relevance to what I was doing.
I have been called some very bad names on that list I was booted off
of. I have been accused of creating an entire abundance training in
one week, copying and selling his email, setting up a london seminar
to intentionally compete with him and being a cheat, liar and scummy
bitch. Unbelievable.
My abundance training has been scheduled since February.
(like I could put together a web site, 80 page training manual, 8
session CD and tape set and script book, radio ads and marketing
plan... in one week)
Amusing, but far from the mark. I sent my entire abundance training
manual to one of his friends... to let him see that is has no
resemblence to his work. But no reply. Obviously there was nothing
even remotely in there that could be back up these accusations. Yet,
there is no mention that, GUESS WHAT... Wendi's work is original! No
effort made to rescind the horrible and malicious accusations.
I have published proof that I have been doing abundance training for
years. I have radio ads, newpaper ads, articles, and convention
workshops on EXACTLY what teach about abundance and money magnet, that
is published in their catalogue, now for the third year.
All of this malicious and intentional slander, because I used the word
MONEY MAGNET. NOTHING ELSE, but that phrase. Do a google search and
find tons of results that all have trademarked and copyrighted the
phrase money magent. They all need to sue each other, huh?
Please dont believe what you hear. I have been doing a this abundance
training for years. Go to www.financialabundance.net That web site has
been there for years.
This attack is unwarranted and malicious. There was talk of a public
apology, since the accusers all have egg on their face. But it has not
come.
I am saddened and embarrassed for our profession. Those teaching
rapport, congruence, integrity, abundance and charisma, resort to name
calling and intentional libel.
All of you who are perpetuating the false accusations need to take a
step back and look at yourself.
Wendi Friesen CCHT
BTW, your photos are quite invoking.
I bet you are blast to train with!
E
"Wendi Friesen" <we...@wendi.com> wrote in message
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On 22 May 2002 15:38:53 -0700, we...@wendi.com (Wendi Friesen) wrote:
>Wow, there is some crazy shit rolling around out there.
Yes. You started it.
>I will state again...
>
>I have been doing financial abundance training for years.
Who cares?
<snip>
>I have been called some very bad names on that list I was booted off
>of.
<snip>
From what I've read, he did you a favour.
But it's Tom's list. He can (and does) do whatever the fuck he wants
with it.
Why did you bring your argument here? It's not as if we don't already
know what you and Tom are like.
Listen, while you lot are pretending to be selling worthwhile trainings,
you have to pretend to be worthwhile people. Otherwise, nobody buys
into the marketing BS.
And nothing I've read from either of you demonstrates you have anything
to offer apart from BS.
So please, take your Minor League squabble elsewhere.
Dave is obviously from the "I know you are but what am I" school of
debating. Mature discussion doesn't seem to be your strong point.
>
> >I will state again...
> >
> >I have been doing financial abundance training for years.
>
> Who cares?
Caring isn't Dave's strong point, either.
>
> <snip>
> >I have been called some very bad names on that list I was booted off
> >of.
> <snip>
>
> From what I've read, he did you a favour.
> But it's Tom's list. He can (and does) do whatever the fuck he wants
> with it.
Eloquence is also yet another skill that Dave is lacking.
>
> Why did you bring your argument here? It's not as if we don't already
> know what you and Tom are like.
And now we are learning what Dave is like, aren't we!
>
> Listen, while you lot are pretending to be selling worthwhile trainings,
> you have to pretend to be worthwhile people. Otherwise, nobody buys
> into the marketing BS.
>
> And nothing I've read from either of you demonstrates you have anything
> to offer apart from BS.
Ah Ha! Now we know what Dave's skill is! It's not debating, caring,
eloquence, or intelligence - Dave's an expert in B.S.!!!
>
> So please, take your Minor League squabble elsewhere.
>
Ah HaHaHaHaHa!!! Dave's a laugh a minute, isn't he!!!!
Archangel
Wendi,
I browsed your website. I can't really comment on any supposed overlap
if any between you and Tom's seminars.
Not that you are interested yet My only complaint is how you position
yourself.49 out of 50 people will say that financial abundance =
financial success. Yet what you're really doing is offering a workshop
where people work on any psychological hangups to wealth. which most
people would say is DIFFERENT from presenting a seminar showing
credible ways to build financial wealth for yourself.
Curiously, may I ask if you make the assumption that everyone who
isn't wealthy and is attending your seminar have "mental blocks" about
wealth. as opposed to just not having found and choses the means to
acquiring wealth.
regards,
Jim R
Houston TX
I never reply to to news groups, but I have to this is too funny.
"Wendi Friesen" <we...@wendi.com> wrote in message
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> Wow, there is some crazy shit rolling around out there.
>
> I will state again...
>
> I have been doing financial abundance training for years. It is
> unique, totally my own material, and it could not in any way contain
> any of Tom's material because I have never bought, borrowed, attended
> his seminars or listened to tapes or videos.
>
> I saw he had a money magnet email and while it was posted a while
> back, I didnt read it. He sent it to me again (at my request, to see
> what he is doing with the money magnet) and I only read a little bit.
> It had very little relevance to what I was doing.
>
> I have been called some very bad names on that list I was booted off
> of. I have been accused of creating an entire abundance training in
> one week, copying and selling his email, setting up a london seminar
> to intentionally compete with him and being a cheat, liar and scummy
> bitch. Unbelievable.
Yes It is Unbelievable.
>
> My abundance training has been scheduled since February.
> (like I could put together a web site, 80 page training manual, 8
> session CD and tape set and script book, radio ads and marketing
> plan... in one week)
copy and paste, I could do that in a day. not that you did that but It could
be done.
With voice authoring software.
>
> Amusing, but far from the mark. I sent my entire abundance training
> manual to one of his friends... to let him see that is has no
> resemblence to his work. But no reply. Obviously there was nothing
> even remotely in there that could be back up these accusations. Yet,
> there is no mention that, GUESS WHAT... Wendi's work is original! No
> effort made to rescind the horrible and malicious accusations.
>
Wendi you work is original? why have you not stated how it differs from
Money magnet? wait you didnt finish reading Money magnet so, you assume it
Original?
> I have published proof that I have been doing abundance training for
> years. I have radio ads, newpaper ads, articles, and convention
> workshops on EXACTLY what teach about abundance and money magnet, that
> is published in their catalogue, now for the third year.
So that would be 1999 if my math is correct.
Well I got some of your original works, a book you wrote
got it out of curiosity, Always read everything you can on a subject that
your interested in,
would you agree? what did I learn from it, well the title was "hypnotize
your lover"
and I got one of you enlargement tapes listen to them but didnt use them. so
I cannot
confirm or deny your taped products. The book Had Scripts copied from
emails or webchat
that other people did. You gave some credit I gained nothing from it . For
someone without any
NLP or hypnosis experience, it could be a beginning. Not any originality in
the whole book.
>
> All of this malicious and intentional slander, because I used the word
> MONEY MAGNET. NOTHING ELSE, but that phrase. Do a google search and
> find tons of results that all have trademarked and copyrighted the
> phrase money magent. They all need to sue each other, huh?
>
> Please dont believe what you hear. I have been doing a this abundance
> training for years. Go to www.financialabundance.net That web site has
> been there for years.
Now you seem very defensive and claim you been doing this for years.
below is a copy of the registration of said url? 8-27-2001
Registrant:
INSIGHT AUDIO
502 NATOMA
FOLSOM, CA US
95630
Registrar: NameSecure.com
Domain: FINANCIALABUNDANCE.NET
Created on 08-27-2001
Expires on 08-27-2002
Administrative Contact:
WENDI FRIESEN
"been doing this for years." I agree, but as to what I dont know
>
> This attack is unwarranted and malicious. There was talk of a public
> apology, since the accusers all have egg on their face. But it has not
> come.
>
> I am saddened and embarrassed for our profession. Those teaching
> rapport, congruence, integrity, abundance and charisma, resort to name
> calling and intentional libel.
>
> All of you who are perpetuating the false accusations need to take a
> step back and look at yourself.
>
> Wendi Friesen CCHT
>
> www.wendi.com
> www.financialabundance.net
Wendi so far you have played the victim. I read what Tom said,
sounded like he was blowing off steam, like you ref to his penis size.
Regardless of what you both think you could have prospered greatly.
If you talked to each other. Instead you both take away credibility and
finger point.
maybe you could call you next training Aggravationabundance.
With the tools at your disposal. make me wonder.
Phil
DFWAJM
Now I will step back Into lurker mode.
Correct. Very different. I am using the prinicples of hypnosis to find
the blocks, limitations and fears that stop us from succeeding. Not
everyone has them. Most people (I think) have worthiness issues about
this and tend to sabotage their efforts.
>
> Curiously, may I ask if you make the assumption that everyone who
> isn't wealthy and is attending your seminar have "mental blocks" about
> wealth. as opposed to just not having found and choses the means to
> acquiring wealth.
>
Maybe. Maybe not. If a person has tried repeatedly to be succesful,
make more money, has repeated bad luck, makes stupid mistakes or has
imposed a ceiling on their earnings, it may be due to the worthiness
issues. That is what I work on. The market makers on the pacific stock
exchange taught me a lot. THey have been through so much training,
technical skills, studying the market... and some make a zillion, some
barely survive. One guy had imposed an unconscious ceiling on himself
at $400,000 a year. Obviously he doesnt have worthiness issues if he
is earning that much... or does he?
Taking him into a future time when he is making several million a year
revealed his issue that limited him. We resolved it and his earnings
went up immediately. He had the same skills, the same mind... the only
thing that changed was his unconscious limit.
Another trader had inferiority issues as a child from being teased and
just couldnt get his hand up fast enough when it was time to make the
trades. After we cleared the issue he punched one of the other traders
(right in the face) who was trying to intimidate him. Until that point
he never made more that $5000 a month. In the next quarter he did
$150,000.
On the other thread someone asked about my model of abundance. My
personal success came as a result of clearing the sabotage, finding
the positive intention to being poor and resolving the conflict. My
life soared after I realized how deep my self sabotage program was.
Stuff just came to me like crazy. I started asking for things and they
appeared. Last month I was watching the Man Show. I thought, "I want
to be on the Man Show". Less than a week later they called me. That is
not the first time it has happened like that.
Create a clear path in your core beliefs. The rest will follow. Once
the conflicts are cleared, the worthiness will pull LIKE A MAGNET all
the opportunities, people, money, energy and amazing luck, right into
your lap. A client who is a scupltor found that he had a very negative
program going about his clients who buy his scupltures. He had some
rather evil thoughts about them. He was barely getting by. THe next
week he made $12000, and the week after he made $20,000.
How do you do it? Start by finding the part of you that wants you to
fail. Find out why it wants that. Be willing to be brutally honest
with yourself and listen without judgement. No matter what your
position in life, or your earnings, I will bet that there are
worthinness issues holding you back from being even greater than you
are.
Wealthy people have a knack for making comebacks quickly. THey can
lose everything... and in a year, they have earned a few million at
some other venture. Why can they do it....When the rest of tje masses
are hoping to just make a little more than we spend. I can only guess
that they have a firm belief that they can do it, they deserve it, and
they expect it. So, they re-create it. Over and over. (a little
redundant?)
My model of abundance about worthiness at the core. It is also about
generosity and the flow of money. Giving is magic.
Enough for now.
Wendi
> My model of abundance about worthiness at the core.
Many years ago, I had a really good self-sabotage strategy. Every time
I got to a position of authority or responsibility in a job, I screwed
it up to the point where I got fired or felt I had to quit. Then I'd go
somewhere else and start at the bottom again.
This whole "worthiness" thing didn't strike a chord with me, though. I
didn't feel unworthy of it. I didn't feel worthy of it. The question
just didn't come up. It was something else.
I read a book on Jungian archetypes in the male ("King, Warrior,
Magician, Lover" was the title) and found the Magician archetype really
felt right to me. The Magician is the keeper of hidden wisdom, the
watcher of signs, the knower of forgotten lore. The author pointed out
that when the Magician energy is thwarted somehow and is required to
keep passive and remain immature, it becomes the Trickster; it plays
pranks, to keep the ego from getting too big... to cut the self down to
size, IOW. That felt right.
So I did a kind of Gestalt Therapy conversation between "me" and my
"Trickster" and found out what was going on. I hadn't been giving my
Magician what it needed (which was information and the responsibility
and respect necessary to use it), so it was retaliating. Trying to get
my attention. Too bad it took so long.
So I started feeding and taking care of my "Magician" and have had no
such issue with it since. Quite cool.
--
Can you really ever know if http://users.eclipsetel.com/~debu4335
>maybe you could call you next training Aggravationabundance.
Or a joint one with Tom ...
hmmm let me see ...
Essential Kills
???
Craigy B
>After we cleared the issue he punched one of the other traders
>(right in the face) who was trying to intimidate him.
Essential Kills Workshop
Session One
Punch people in face.
LOL.
Sorry Wendi, couldn't resist ... :-)
thanks for your post, an interesting read.
>once the conflicts are cleared, the worthiness will pull LIKE A MAGNET all
>the opportunities, people, money, energy and amazing luck, right into
>your lap.
The use of the word worthiness fascinates me and I wonder how it fits into the
overall model.
For example, have you found through working with individual that worthiness is
inherent once their blocks and cases of self sabotage are identified and
cleared ...
Or does this require to be installed or developed separately?
>My model of abundance about worthiness at the core. It is also about
>generosity and the flow of money. Giving is magic.
>
Ah, it is core. Is it there already or require developing?
Interesting stuff
Thank you :-)
Craigy B
Get over yourself. www.wendi.com was registerd in July of 1997 where
the abundance stuff was posted originally and then I created a site
just for abundance.
Knock it off.
And the contributors to my book agreed to contribute. All other work
was mine.
Wendi
Ok..since you are teaching abundance, why don't you tell us what your
financial status is at the moment?
I'll bet you this much: you can't afford these lawsuits you have been
threatening behind the scenes.
(Yes, Wendi has some silly sole practitioner sending out threatening
letters...no doubt the guy is overworking his secretary to pump this stuff
out).
Wendi honey, let me clue you in on something: I spent $30,000 just to get to
the first deposition. And if you want to sue for internet libel in California,
I suggest you have your little sole practitioner do a Lexis search on this
term: SLAPP, or Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.
This attempt to silence others on an issue of public interest in a public
forum will be stopped under the SLAPP statutes in California and then YOU will
be liable for not only the other side's attorneys fees, but triple damages as
well.
I know, because I had to beat the SLAPP hearing in my own lawsuit against a
party who is no longer on the Internet.
Now....since you are threatening Tom, you are therefore threatening Kim(as
she is in business with him and will be equally adversely effected). Threaten
Kim and you threaten me.
Let's see if you really want to take on the resources I have at my
disposal, financial, legal and otherwise.
Tell your sole practitioner he needs a good course on the SLAPP statutes
in California if he wants to claim California jurisdiction. Or go ratchet it up
to Federal Court and be prepared to mortage your house and your kids college
fund just to get to the opening rounds.
Now....I suggest you not go threatening when you don't have the resources to
follow through or a case with half a leg to stand on.
RJ
P.S. All this talk of lawsuits is getting me to remember the claims I still
have against you. Perhaps I'll give MY lawyers some work to do.
You said
> Please dont believe what you hear. I have been doing a this abundance
> training for years. Go to www.financialabundance.net That web site has
> been there for years.
Note the part that you wrote states"That web site has been there for years"
also reffering to www.financialabundance.net years would mean more than 1
year or 12 months and 1 day. now if your saying you meant wendi.com Ill
accept that. Its not like I was calling you a LIAR!
Not like at any point did I say you were a LIAR or your PANTS ON FIRE, I
was stating a fact. The facts are you misrepresented that site as
being there longer than it existed.
As to "Knock it off" as you put it. I just did, you set it up. I knocked
it off.
If you dont like my trenchant manner. Maybe you need to
represent.
Yours Truly,
Phil
DFWAJM
"Wendi Friesen" <we...@wendi.com> wrote in message
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"ErosLA77" <eros...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Paul wrote:
>
> Don't know whos Write or Rong in this hole argument, but that last post
> smacked of intimidation and "My Dog is Bigger than Your Dog". The argument,
> while slightly titilating, has nothing to do with NLP, except perhaps to
> show people how its not done.
> Take it outside Lads......
Hell, it's just Ross. Did you expect it to sound as if it didn't come
from a schoolyard somewhere?
Larry
Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!
"If I can keep digging just long enough I'll bet ya there's some NLP in there
somewhere."
Dumb Digger 2002
"Everything is made of stupidness and humans are a condensed form of
stupidness"
Craigy (Einstein) B's Theory of Everything,
2002.
"Stupidness is made of everything and humans are a condensed form of
everything"
"Craigy B" <craigy...@aol.comFATSPAM> wrote in message
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I thought that was Speed Kills
(one of my favourite ambiguities from years ago:-)
Adam
--
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience,
we are spiritual beings having a human experience"
Teilhard de Chardin
>> hmmm let me see ...
>>
>> Essential Kills
>>
>
>I thought that was Speed Kills
>(one of my favourite ambiguities from years ago:-)
Very very good :-)
So many meanings from two words ... love it.
I'm out of it.
Speed Thrills!
Craigy B
Your Loving Friend
Unka
Timmy
>Craigy just seems to be more condensed than most.
>
LOL. Very good.
But then I already knew that. :-)
Craigy B
"ErosLA77" <eros...@aol.com> whined in message
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> >Please dont believe what you hear. I have been doing a this abundance
> >training for years. Go to www.financialabundance.net That web site has
> >been there for year
>
> Ok..since you are teaching abundance, why don't you tell us what your
> financial status is at the moment?
>
> I'll bet you this much: you can't afford these lawsuits you have been
> threatening behind the scenes.
Um, do your research, she CAN.
>
> (Yes, Wendi has some silly sole practitioner sending out threatening
> letters...no doubt the guy is overworking his secretary to pump this stuff
> out).
>
> Wendi honey, let me clue you in on something: I spent $30,000 just to
get to
> the first deposition. And if you want to sue for internet libel in
California,
> I suggest you have your little sole practitioner do a Lexis search on this
> term: SLAPP, or Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.
Lawyers on both sides love SLAPP because BOTH lawyers get to charge high
fees. If you spent 30 grand to get to the first deposition, you may want to
get yourself another lawyer. But I bet you have one of those lawyers that
says "I only want what`s best for you Ross, this is how we have to go... and
here`s my bill for this month. I`m your friend"
>
> This attempt to silence others on an issue of public interest in a
public
> forum will be stopped under the SLAPP statutes in California and then YOU
will
> be liable for not only the other side's attorneys fees, but triple damages
as
> well.
SLAPP is not the same as "internet libel". If you call somone a thief and
accuse them of stealing intellectual property, that's libel and defintely
actionable.
>
> I know, because I had to beat the SLAPP hearing in my own lawsuit
against a
> party who is no longer on the Internet.
We're all so happy and proud to hear that... even if you had nothing to do
with why he`s not on the internet anymore
>
> Now....since you are threatening Tom, you are therefore threatening
Kim(as
> she is in business with him and will be equally adversely effected).
Threaten
> Kim and you threaten me.
OK, you`ve already established in a previous email that you consdier Kim
threatened. WHEN DID YOU FILE THE LAWSUIT AGAINST WENDY? OR IS THIS MORE
ROSS TANTRUMS?
>
> Let's see if you really want to take on the resources I have at my
> disposal, financial, legal and otherwise.
Go ahead, we;re all waiting, Ross. You made this threat once... it`s losing
it`s potency now the more you make the same empty threat
>
> Tell your sole practitioner he needs a good course on the SLAPP
statutes
> in California if he wants to claim California jurisdiction. Or go ratchet
it up
> to Federal Court and be prepared to mortage your house and your kids
college
> fund just to get to the opening rounds.
No wonder you spent so much money on SLAPP, you dont understand when it
applies and when it doesn't apply. Read up on "Barrett et al. v. Clark et
al.", California Superior Court, Alameda County No. 833021-5, a recent
landmark case on California's anti-SLAPP legislation.
>
> Now....I suggest you not go threatening when you don't have the
resources to
> follow through or a case with half a leg to stand on.
I suggest, Ross, that you not bullshit about things you obviously know
nothing about.
Your statement above could also apply to your threat concerning Kim as well.
too bad you think Tom can`t defend her himself. I wonder what that says
about Tom, or rather what you think about Tom.
>
> RJ
>
> P.S. All this talk of lawsuits is getting me to remember the claims I
still
> have against you. Perhaps I'll give MY lawyers some work to do.
here I`m assuming "claims I still have against you" = "baseless lawsuits i
want to file but i know i can`t win"
Let`s be realistic here, Ross - in any California court you will be
portrayed as someone who teaches men how to fuck women. Wendi will be
portrayed as someone who is attempting to help people. Your own writings and
website will be used against you to portray you as an angry, lonely man who
hates women (while this isn`t true this is what a good opposition lawyer
will attempt to do). Wendi will be portrayed as a certified clinical
hypnotherapist with a very successful practice and a long string of
references from patients. All wEndi needs is any decent lawyer. You`ll need
Johnnie Cockrane to keep from looking like a big dick. And once you lose the
jury`s mindset, they`ll rule against you. Even the judge will be against you
because no judge wants a public reputation of siding with a guy that helps
guys learn to fuck women against a woman that reputedly teaches men how to
be sensitive to men.The politics of the legal system will kill you.
I *do* like you, Ross, bu tthis is reality.
Alan wrote:
>
> Oh, boy, the dogs are barking...
> OR IS THIS MORE
> ROSS TANTRUMS?
Ross and Tom act like monkeys at the zoo. They shit, and then they eat
some of that shit, and then they fling some of that shit around the cage
and and at those looking in the cage while they screech madly.
One can always step into the cage to find out if there's reason behind
the shit-eating and shit-flinging, and one can firmly establish for all
the onlookers that there's nothing more happening than crazed monkeys
flinging shit simply because the monkeys are full of it and want to
share in some strange, pathetic fashion.
It's likely much better to simply stand outside the cage and watch the
shit-eating monkeys fling shit around and sully themselves. It can be
amusing and noone else gets sullied with all the flung shit.
Larry
> One can always step into the cage to find out if there's reason behind
> the shit-eating and shit-flinging
Shit-flinging in primates is a dominance thing. If you smell like my
shit, you are lower than I am on the ladder. IIRC, it's only done when
a higher monkey perceives a challenge from a lower one, not as a matter
of course. And there may be other reasons too.
Michael DeBusk wrote:
>
> Shit-flinging in primates is a dominance thing. If you smell like my
> shit, you are lower than I am on the ladder. IIRC, it's only done when
> a higher monkey perceives a challenge from a lower one, not as a matter
> of course. And there may be other reasons too.
Yes, but they're the only two in the cage. Wonder which one is really
dominant.
And throwing shit at onlookers doesn't have anything to do with the
monkey hierarchy.
In fact, the problems we encounter with it here is that they keep
trying to fling their shit outside their cage.
Larry
> Yes, but they're the only two in the cage. Wonder which one is
> really dominant.
Dunno. Maybe they could try democracy. Who'd be the tie-breaker?
> And throwing shit at onlookers doesn't have anything to do with the
> monkey hierarchy.
Remember that the observer influences the experiment. ;)
As for the authenticity of your model, you probably put it together all by
yourself because you are very creative. And two weeks is enough time for
someone with your talent. The structure of your presentation in 2001 was NLP
applied to the well-formed outcome of "abundance".
I was the guy who challenged you to move to a more specific example and you
only made more generalization. Now with that simple set of techniques and
tools, how can anyone claim that you ripped them off? You have never made
any specific instructions that you can claim credit to. You just applied the
meta model to a nominolization of the concept "abundance". It's your's and
it's lame!
Unless of course Tom Vizzinni wants to take credit for it. Why would he? Is
he that hard up? I don't think so. So YOU GUYS are probably creating
controversy online. Hence stirring emotion, attracting attention and pissing
a few people off. But that is what you are really good at.
And using the shroud of quotes, "bitch", doesn't make it's use any more
responsible. You can create a better image if you didn't come off so mean
and hard. You are not - I reap eat, NOT the purdue guy and tough doesn't
make it tender in this case.
As for you not supporting me. I don't really mind not being supported by the
great WENDI FREEZING.
As related as it is, and not really knowing the exact words, the two quotes
come to mind - src unknwn...
A horse! My kingdom, for a horse!
and
What does a man (or woman) have if he gains the world and loses his soul?
> A horse! My kingdom, for a horse!
Shakespeare, towards the end of Richard III
> and
> What does a man (or woman) have if he gains the world and loses his soul?
The Bible, but I don't remember where.
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