Ross is a lying buttsucker!!!
june...@my-deja.com
Jon Altfeld, why don't we take a look at Ross' history of telling the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
In the Straight Foward sales catalogue, Ross claims he scours the
planet to find the finest seduction materials for his
marks..er..customers..er..er..students. He claims that he only
includes products that he has personally tested himself, and when he
recommends something, you know he truly believes in that product.
At least until he either gets pissed off at the product's creator, or
the product is SO EMBARASSING that even Ross can't stand it anymore.
Ross used to sell R. Don Steele's "How Old Guys Can Date Young Girls"
book, until R. Don amended his book to include a rather accurate, but
unflattering, physical and psychological description of Ross Jefferies.
He called Ross rat-like, deceitful, and unscrupulous, and Ross decided
that R. Don's book sucked! So much for his heart-felt recommendation.
Ross also used to sell a product called "How to Have the Self-Image of
a Super God" created by ++ALBERT++, and gave it his highest
recommendation. Ross told his students that this product would be
perfect to help them improve thier self-image. That is, until Ross
decided that ++ALBERT++ was too misogynistic for even ol' Ross himself.
Then Ross shouted all over the Internet how terrible ++ALBERT++'s
product was. How the author sounded like Count Dracula, and couldn't
get a girl if his life depended on it. But the product that Ross was
now disparaging hadn't changed. It was the same one he had sold to his
students, and that he had sworn was absolutely effective. Only now
because he didn't like the author, it suddenly became a piece of shit.
And what about Ross' finest work, the video "How to Get a Stripper in
Bed." Again Ross gave it his highest recommendation, and said it was a
wonderful product! A video that showed Ross Jefferies, the master of
speed seduction, running his patented patterns on various strippers,
while they literally laughed thier asses off at Ross. But don't worry,
Ross assured his students that the strippers weren't laughing off his
advances, OH NO, they were laughing them in. Have you ever heard such
BULLSHIT!! There's Ross on video tape, running his magical Blow Job
pattern on a stripper who is uproariously laughing at him, and Ross has
the balls to say that she's getting turned on, on an unconscious
level. And when Ross is finished with each stripper, he then (I'm not
making this up) stands up, turns around, and shakes his ass at the
camera! It's the most bizzarre thing you've ever seen, and Ross give
this his highest recommendation!!!
But he finally convinced his business partner to stop selling the tape,
because Ross couldn't stand the embarassment. So a product that Ross
is too embarassed to sell now, once had his heart-felt stamp of
approval.
And bear with me while I give one final example of how Ross truthfully
deals with his students.
Kimmy dumps Ross, moves out of Ross' apartment and clear across the
country to Tom's place, and Ross somehow fails to remove her picture
from his web site for an entire year! She remains on his web site,
posing as his girlfriend, for an entire year while she's really boning
Tom in Atlanta. And when Jackie calls Ross on his bullshit, Ross says
he didn't get around to removing her picture. DID'T GET AROUND TO IT???
He's on the Internet every fucking day. Yet somehow Ross can't take
the time to remove the picture of the bitch who dumped him, who tricked
on him into inviting Tom to Hawaii so that she could sleep with Tom
while Ross was fleecing his flock, and who's unfaithfulness led to the
biggest embarassment of Ross' life when her secret affair was disclosed.
These are just 4 examples of how honest old Ross is when dealing with
his students.
I think you can see that Ross is always truthful when dealing with his
students, and you can see why he is the perfect person to judge the
honesty of Jonathon.
Ross sells products to his students that he knows are worthless, and he
tells his students that if they use his techniques, they can bag a babe
like Kimmy. Yet he has the audacity to question Jon's honesty
That's like Bill Clinton lecturing someone on the sanctity of thier
wedding vows.
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> Since Ross Jefferies is so obsessed with exposing the prevarications of
> Jon Altfeld, why don't we take a look at Ross' history of telling the
> truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
>
> In the Straight Foward sales catalogue, Ross claims he scours the
> planet to find the finest seduction materials for his
> marks..er..customers..er..er..students.
Uh...you mean the HUNDREDS of people who have jumped on here on Usenet
and claim that they been ripped off...wait a minute...you mean not ONE
single person has ever done that, even from these anonymous deja.com
accounts?
Hmm...maybe NO one has been ripped off. You'd think that at least SOMEONE
would get on here and complain if there were even a MOLECULE of truth in
what you say...are do the big, bad Usenet censors get to them all before
the posts make it through?
Yeah..that's it..yeah yeah...Usenet censors protecting my rep...
>
> Ross used to sell R. Don Steele's "How Old Guys Can Date Young Girls"
> book, until R. Don amended his book to include a rather accurate, but
> unflattering, physical and psychological description of Ross Jefferies.
Zzzzzz...your mom and seester no find me so unattractive, Seenyor.
> He called Ross rat-like, deceitful, and unscrupulous, and Ross decided
> that R. Don's book sucked! So much for his heart-felt recommendation.
Excuse me, but if you had any brain, you would have realized that R.
Dung's book was the ONE product I never wrote A SINGLE WORD ABOUT. HE
provided the ad copy, the ONLY product for which that was the case.
I sold it because it had ONE good chapter that I felt justified its
inclusion: Chapter 18, The Right Attitude. Even though I am suing his ass
for defamation, I have still stated that this ONE Chapter is good.
>
> Ross also used to sell a product called "How to Have the Self-Image of
> a Super God" created by ++ALBERT++, and gave it his highest
> recommendation. Ross told his students that this product would be
> perfect to help them improve thier self-image. That is, until Ross
> decided that ++ALBERT++ was too misogynistic for even ol' Ross himself.
Excuse me, but ALBERT was the one who pulled the product from the catalog.
He sent Yates a certified letter demanding we cease and desist from
selling it. Not my call, buddy, so you're all wet all again. Get your
"facks" straight, butt-boy.
>
> And what about Ross' finest work, the video "How to Get a Stripper in
> Bed." Again Ross gave it his highest recommendation, and said it was a
> wonderful product!
Hmm...you mean I have the honesty to pull a product that, on further
consideration, I didn't feel was up to standards instead of continuing to
compound the mistake and continue to sell it?
Isn't that called being responsible and showing integrity..oops..I
shouldn't talk about things that YOU know nothing about. Sorry.
> (more insults and nonsense snipped)
Now, isn't it interesting that I can factually, without excuses, address
your "points" while Altfeld has to obfuscate, back-pedal, lie and blame
his victims? That I can admit to mistakes, take responsibility and give
clear answers whereas the guy YOU support has to keep mush-mouthing his
way through?
>
>
>
> I think you can see that Ross is always truthful when dealing with his
> students, and you can see why he is the perfect person to judge the
> honesty of Jonathon.
Anyone can judge it just by examining the behavior he displays HERE ON
USENET, which is after all what we are discussing.
So why don't you "point" to something I've said or done here on Usenet,
bonehead, that might suppport your contentions?
My my..I must have really wounded your inner child for you to spew such
venom and lies and to do so behind the cover of anonymity, little boy?
Whats a matter...can't be a man and own your communication? Be a big boy
and tell me to my face what you want me to hear....
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sand...@mediaone.net (Ross Jeffries) wrote:
> In article <7s101b$j91$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, june...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Since Ross Jefferies is so obsessed with exposing the
prevarications of
> > Jon Altfeld, why don't we take a look at Ross' history of telling
the
> > truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
> >
> > In the Straight Foward sales catalogue, Ross claims he scours the
> > planet to find the finest seduction materials for his
> > marks..er..customers..er..er..students.
>
> Uh...you mean the HUNDREDS of people who have jumped on here on
Usenet
> and claim that they been ripped off...wait a minute...you mean not ONE
> single person has ever done that, even from these anonymous deja.com
> accounts?
>
> Hmm...maybe NO one has been ripped off. You'd think that at least
SOMEONE
> would get on here and complain if there were even a MOLECULE of truth
in
> what you say...
Didn't Gilbert Gottfreid cover this already while he was humiliating
you on "Politically Incorrect?"
"Uh, Judge, I spent $5,000 and still couldn't get laid."
I do have to admit, it is a brilliant marketing strategy. You sell
crap, and when your marks find out your stuff is crap, they are too
embarrassed to admit they ever bought your crap in the first place.
But let's examine the statement from Ross, "If there is one molecule of
truth in what you say."
At the beginning of the Straight Foward catalogue, there is a personal
message from Ross Jefferies, the "Chairman of the Broads" (I'm not
making this up!!! He actually calls himself that. What a PUHTZZ!)
Ross says (and I'm paraphrasing now) that he personally recommends
EVERYTHING in the catalogue, that he has tested EVERYTHING in the
catalogue, and that if you buy EVERYTHING in the catalogue, you are
well on your way to becoming an, uh, I don't know, a junior executive
of the broads, or a stockholder of the broads. (Only Ross can be
Chairman of the Broads.)
Ross gives you his word that each and every product in his catalogue is
100% effective.
> >
> > Ross used to sell R. Don Steele's "How Old Guys Can Date Young
Girls"
> > book, until R. Don amended his book to include a rather accurate,
but
> > unflattering, physical and psychological description of Ross
Jefferies.
>
> Zzzzzz...your mom and seester no find me so unattractive, Seenyor.
>
I thought R. Don was the racist. Jeez Ross, you get so self-righteous
when Don does his lame jive talk, yet you have no problem with talking
like the Frito Bandito.
> > He called Ross rat-like, deceitful, and unscrupulous, and Ross
decided
> > that R. Don's book sucked! So much for his heart-felt
recommendation.
>
> Excuse me, but if you had any brain, you would have realized that R.
> Dung's book was the ONE product I never wrote A SINGLE WORD ABOUT. HE
> provided the ad copy, the ONLY product for which that was the case.
>
> I sold it because it had ONE good chapter that I felt justified its
> inclusion: Chapter 18, The Right Attitude. Even though I am suing his
ass
> for defamation, I have still stated that this ONE Chapter is good.
Now this is interesting. Ross doesn't deny that he recommends
everything that appears in his catalogue, but now we learn that for
some products, Ross only recommends 10% of that product, while the rest
of it is crap. He doesn't bother to say in his catalogue that only one
chapter of a book is good, and the rest of it is a waste of your
money.
He doesn't say in his letter from the "Chairman of the Broads" that
some of his products only contain a small portion of worthwhile
material.
And he doesn't bother to say that his recommendations only count if he
writes a little blurb for each individual product.
No, what he says is that in his catalogue you'll find products that
Ross highly recommends, and you can trust ol' Ross, because, afterall,
no one complains!
> > Ross also used to sell a product called "How to Have the Self-Image
of
> > a Super God" created by ++ALBERT++, and gave it his highest
> > recommendation. Ross told his students that this product would be
> > perfect to help them improve thier self-image. That is, until Ross
> > decided that ++ALBERT++ was too misogynistic for even ol' Ross
himself.
>
> Excuse me, but ALBERT was the one who pulled the product from the
catalog.
> He sent Yates a certified letter demanding we cease and desist from
> selling it. Not my call, buddy, so you're all wet all again. Get your
> "facks" straight, butt-boy.
Yeah. Albert told Yates to stop selling his product after you trashed
him and his product incessently on USENET. A product you recommended,
and (GASP!!) even wrote the description of in the sales catalogue. So
I guess now we know that even if a product is in your catalogue you
don't really recommend it, and even if you sing its praises while
describing the product in the catalogue, you still don't REALLY
recommend it. You are truly a paragon of honesty, ASS-WIPE!
And it looks like you'd still be selling Albert's product if he didn't
force you to stop. After all, he's the one that pulled it from your
catalogue, not you. Even though you proudly proclaimed what a piece of
shit his product was, after you proudly recommended it in your
catalogue.
It sucks, but I'll keep selling it to get my cut. You are such an
honest businessman, Ross.
>
> >
> > And what about Ross' finest work, the video "How to Get a Stripper
in
> > Bed." Again Ross gave it his highest recommendation, and said it
was a
> > wonderful product!
>
> Hmm...you mean I have the honesty to pull a product that, on further
> consideration, I didn't feel was up to standards instead of
continuing to
> compound the mistake and continue to sell it?
>
> Isn't that called being responsible and showing integrity..oops..I
> shouldn't talk about things that YOU know nothing about. Sorry.
>
Exactly how long did it take you to decide the Stripper video wasn't up
to your high standards? AFTER you had sold enough copies to pay for
the production costs.
If you had any integrity, not to mention pride, or self-esteem, you'd
have flushed that piece of crap down the toilet the minute you saw it!
I mean, did you actually LOOK at that video before you sold it? Did
you see the strippers lauging at you while you were trying to seduce
them? Wasn't there anyone who could stop you from shaking your ass at
the camera? Or couldn't they edit that part out? You looked like a
fucking idiot, but you couldn't stop selling the video until you turned
a profit. Some integrity!!
And by the way Ross, you ran your famous Blow Job pattern on a number
of the girls. Did any of them blow you? Or were they walking
around "dead inside," which is what you say whenever you strike out.
(LA must be full of zombies.)
> > (more insults and nonsense snipped)
>
> Now, isn't it interesting that I can factually, without excuses,
address
> your "points"
Uh Ross, you seem to have failed to address my fourth point, the one
that describes how you kept Kimmy's picture on your website for a whole
year posing as your girlfriend after she had dumped you.
Is pointing out that blatant lie on your part an insult, or is it
nonsense?
You know Ross, I made my original post Saturday afternoon, and I see
you responded to it early Sunday morning, after (I'm guessing) another
unsuccessful night of Sarging. If it was successful, wouldn't you be
getting belown rather than throwing a tantrum on USENET?
So you can repond to my post IMMEDIATELY, but you "can't get around to"
removing Kimmy's picture from your website for a whole year! Looks
like someone needs to prioritize.
Let's see, 1) Remove picture of girl who broke my heart from my
website, then 2) engage in flame war.
> >
>
> >
> >
> > I think you can see that Ross is always truthful when dealing with
his
> > students, and you can see why he is the perfect person to judge the
> > honesty of Jonathon.
>
> Anyone can judge it just by examining the behavior he displays HERE
ON
> USENET, which is after all what we are discussing.
>
> So why don't you "point" to something I've said or done here on
Usenet,
> bonehead, that might suppport your contentions?
>
Well, there is that point I made that you conveniently mananged to snip
when you replied to my first post.
You kept Kimmy posing as your girlfriend on your website for a WHOLE
YEAR, and only removed her picture when Jackie called you on your
bullshit.
And then you told Jackie, ON USENET, that you weren't trying to decieve
anyone into thinking she was still your girlfriend, OH NO, you just
didn't get around to removing her picture.
That's as big a lie as Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with
that woman, Monica Lewinsky."
Did you wag your finger at the computer screen when you typed "I didn't
remove her picture from my website because I didn't get around to it?"
> My my..I must have really wounded your inner child for you to spew
such
> venom and lies and to do so behind the cover of anonymity, little boy?
> Whats a matter...can't be a man and own your communication? Be a big
boy
> and tell me to my face what you want me to hear....
As far as using an anonomous account to post on USENET, gosh Ross, you
threaten to sue anyone who pisses you off on the Internet.
I seem to recall that you even once threatened to use you awesome
paralegal skills to investigate Tom Vizzini!
Of course, that was before you found out how sweet Tom's sperm tastes
when you suck it out of your girlfriend's pussy!
Maybe I'll fuck Kimmy too, and then we can sit around singing Kum By
Yah, and just be the best of friends!
>
> Pussy
When you visualize a pussy Ross, do you see Tom's asshole?
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sandwo...@my-deja.com
june...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> As far as using an anonomous account to post on USENET, gosh Ross, you
> threaten to sue anyone who pisses you off on the Internet.
If you're telling the truth, what would you be afraid of, Carmine...I
mean, Houston...but then, what is the difference? Two bodies, one mouth.
>
>
>
> When you visualize a pussy Ross, do you see Tom's asshole?
No. What do you see, Carmine..er..Houston..or should I call you Gehardt?
Dale Morrison
> june...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > As far as using an anonomous account to post on USENET, gosh Ross, you
> > threaten to sue anyone who pisses you off on the Internet.
>
> If you're telling the truth, what would you be afraid of, Carmine...I
> mean, Houston...but then, what is the difference? Two bodies, one mouth.
> >
> >
> >
> > When you visualize a pussy Ross, do you see Tom's asshole?
>
> No. What do you see, Carmine..er..Houston..or should I call you Gehardt?
or Kenrick.. or Sal.. or Jon.. or Glenn.. or..
Ross Jeffries
<daz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > No. What do you see, Carmine..er..Houston..or should I call you Gehardt?
>
> or Kenrick.. or Sal.. or Jon.. or Glenn.. or..
No, definitely NOT Kenrick. He and I have come to a truce of sorts; we
either shut up, or only say good things.
So, here I go: whatever my personal issues with Kenrick have been, I
continue to recommend him as a master of Language Patterns and an
excellent teacher. He's probably the ONLY person I have EVER seen flunk
students; you won't get certificates if he doesn't ajudge that you've
demonstrated competency.(He doesn't do it in a nasty way..you aren't
called out in front of everyone...you just don't get the cert if you don't
show the skills)
And if you check, you find that no matter what, I have ALWAYS
maintained that, in the classroom, as a teacher, he is very very skilled.
So you see I can personally have deep issues with someone and STILL
recognize skill, which puts the lie to the fact that I'm pointing out
Altfeld's bullshit because I have personal issues.
If anything, it's the other way around. I don't point out Altfeld's
bullshit because I dislike him. I dislike him because he purveys bullshit
that I have to point out.
Now, as for the others...hmmmmm
Jerome Kajumba
feelings/thoughts I have in regards to one of my former mentors Carmine
Baffa.
Stay Hungry,
Jerome Kajumba
Ross Jeffries
SXL...@prodigy.com (Jerome Kajumba) wrote:
I don't think you can compare the skill of these two people; Kenrick has
real skill. Baffa is mostly a showman. Kenrick would NEVER tell someone
who obviously had NOT changed, "Sit down..your unconscious got it!".
By the way, my apologies to Rex Sikes: I neglected to mention that he
ALSO has a policy of not awarding certificates unless, in his
evaluation,the student has demonstrated competency with the skills.
Rex will work with people until the skills ARE attained and I HIGHLY
recommend him as a trainer.
Rex...my apologies for not including this in the original post...
Emery Carr
> ALSO has a policy of not awarding certificates unless, in his
> evaluation,the student has demonstrated competency with the skills.
>
> Rex will work with people until the skills ARE attained and I HIGHLY
> recommend him as a trainer.
As do I. Everyone should train with Rex at least once. He's that good.
Emery Carr
e-c...@mindspring.com
venus uzynski
Did I ever say Rex is one of my heroes???
Can't wait 'til I get the opportunity to attend of of his and Caroline's
trainings!!
Venus
andreas
Ross:
At NLP Comprehensive we have quite often (probably every year, since
the very first NLP certification training in 1979-80) withheld
certification, and sometimes given certificates of completion instead,
when participants worked hard, but did not demonstrate competency.
I realize that you haven't seen this, but I don't lie. (Quite often I bite
my lip and stay silent!) We have always been disappointed when this happens,
and try to think of what we could do next time to do better, but we have
also had some "certifiable" schizophrenics in our trainings (but we have
never certified for that.)
Without testing and evaluation, certification doesn't mean very much.
It's very unpleasant and unpopular to turn someone down, but real life
is that way sometimes.
Ross Jeffries wrote:
> <snip>
> So, here I go: whatever my personal issues with Kenrick have been, I
> continue to recommend him as a master of Language Patterns and an
> excellent teacher. He's probably the ONLY person I have EVER seen flunk
> students; you won't get certificates if he doesn't ajudge that you've
> demonstrated competency.(He doesn't do it in a nasty way..you aren't
> called out in front of everyone...you just don't get the cert if you don't
> show the skills)
> <snip>
>
>
Ross Jeffries
> Ross:
> At NLP Comprehensive we have quite often (probably every year, since
> the very first NLP certification training in 1979-80) withheld
> certification, and sometimes given certificates of completion instead,
> when participants worked hard, but did not demonstrate competency.
> I realize that you haven't seen this, but I don't lie. (Quite
often I bite
> my lip and stay silent!)
Steve,
I believe you. I have also met folks certified by NLP Comp that had the
most abysmal levels of "skill" I ever have seen...so maybe they got the
completion certificates and THAT is what they meant when they said they
were certified.
I DO believe you....I may at times critique you for being "whimpy" but I
also think you are a person of your word.
Thanks for clearing this up , and I am NOT being sarcastic!