Islamic Jihad: Attack in Hebron a source of Palestinian pride
Jean Guernon
Nov. 16, 2002
Islamic Jihad: Attack in Hebron a source of Palestinian pride
By NEWS AGENCIES
Senior Palestinian Authority officials declined to condemn Friday
night's terrorist attack in Hebron that killed 12 Israelis, saying the
incident was Israel's own fault.
Nabil Abu Rudeineh, a senior advisor to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, told
reporters in Ramallah that the attack showed that Israelis must
understand that there will not be peace or security if Israel continues
to act against the Palestinian people, especially by occupying cities
and villages.
Hebron Mayor Abdel Mustafa Natshe blamed Israel for the attack, telling
Arab media that it followed closures in the Machpela Cave, curfews,
disruptions of daily life, and the division of the city, all for the
sake of a group of settlers who don't belong in Hebron.
Meanwhile, Abdullah al-Shami, a leader of Islamic Jihad in Gaza, said
that the attack should be a source of pride for all Palestinians, not
just for his organization, which has claimed responsibility.
Ramadan Shallah, the Syrian-based head of Islamic Jihad, said his
organization had carried out the attack in revenge for the IDF's killing
last Saturday of Iyad Sawalha, the man believed to have been behind
several suicide bombings, including the bus-bombing at Karkur junction
last month which killed 14 people.
"I extend congratulations to our heroic mujahideen (martyrs)...who were
able to carry out this remarkable operation. They include members of the
Jerusalem Brigades, the military wing of Islamic Jihad in Palestine,"
Shallah told Al-Jazeera TV by telephone.
In the Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, dozens of Islamic Jihad
supporters rushed into the streets to celebrate the attack, some firing
in the air.
"This is retaliation for the daily crimes and ugly massacres committed
by the Zionist occupiers against our people," one armed man said over
loudspeaker.
agent...@torontonet.ca
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> This is good
Yep, a good pretext to ship them all back to Jordan.
Thank you very much.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
<jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>>
>> This is good
>
>Yep, a good pretext to ship them all back to Jordan.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>J.
ha ha ! they didn't come from Jordan you idiot. They came from
Palestine. Your ancestors on the other hand came from France,
but we know they would never take you back.
The Israelis came from Poland, and have some weak excuse
to occupy Palestinian lands. They forget that Europeans threw
them out of the Mid-East, where they were always a minority.
And soon those whose land that the Polish Jews stole, are going
to finish the job..
Jean Guernon
You were a worm crawling under your rock. YOU go back there.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
Jews came from?
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:28:45 GMT, Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> The Arabs were there even before that. Where do you think
> Jews came from?
Hahaha
From Adam.
And then Noah, Isaac, Jonas, Abraham, etc. These are Jews, loser.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
you think they converted from? Adam was supposed to have lived
only 4,000 years ago, which is bullshit, if he was the "first man".
The "first man" in the Palestine probably got there 400,000 years
ago, and he sure as hell wasn't a Jew, he was an ethnic Arab
from North Africa.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:19:03 GMT, Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon
roughly. (There are a couple of chronologies.) But you, are far from
"roughly": you are short by 2000 years in your assertion of your
rejection of the truth. No wonder. The Christian era, yes, it
approximately the distance between your assertions and the truth. LOL
God gave man the notion of right and wrong appr 6000 years ago. Not 4000
years ago. Before then they were in a timeless paradise. Hard to say how
many billions years it took, one day is like an eternity to the Lord.
Anyway, to make a long story short, man began to use his brain then, and
1000 years later we (the world) had the first writings.
Civilizations were already beginning to be built by then...
Before then there is nothing but scribbles... what big monkeys can do,
some drawings of buffaloes in caves...
I guess the imagination of our large brains had to project the
obsessions of what was missing during the long winters in caves...
Anyway, This is real, adn only sophisticated people who belong here can
see that... I don't expect a simian like you to understand that. You are
too "cave" as we say here in Quebec.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
WH
"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:3DD95121...@globetrotter.net...
>
> Before then there is nothing but scribbles... what big monkeys can do,
> some drawings of buffaloes in caves...
Scribbles? Big monkeys?
Having seen your picture and read your posts............
WH
Jean Guernon
WH a écrit :
What? Monkey see, monkey do you mean? Much like the nick WH?
LOL
J.
no
WH wrote in message ...
LOL. There were agrarian communities, (with domesticated animals by 5800 BC
or earlier), of Semitic people in 8,000 BCE in Jericho. Guernie is a baboon,
so he has things mixed up. But both the Palestinian militants and the
Israeli Likud are crazy (Peres is sensible finally) with hate. The latest is
Jack Straw warning about Sharon's call to extend settlements and uproot
Palestinians from that extension. Links:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&c
id=1037593121069
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=231879&contrassID
=1&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
>WH
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
>
> WH wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:3DD95121...@globetrotter.net...
> >>
> >> Before then there is nothing but scribbles... what big monkeys can do,
> >> some drawings of buffaloes in caves...
> >
> >
> >Scribbles? Big monkeys?
> >
> >Having seen your picture and read your posts............
>
> LOL. There were agrarian communities, (with domesticated animals by 5800 BC
Bullshit.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
when the last Siberians were crossing the ice bridge to Canada?
What about the 2 million years before that? I wouldn't call it a
"timeless paradise." You are fucking moron Jacques to believe
the shit you believe in.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:44:44 GMT, Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca
Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon a écrit :
It was before that (10 000 years ago). The fact remain that if that big
ape started using his brain, it was merely as any other species does, to
eat and reproduce. Every single species uses their particular brain to
survive in their societies. It has nothing to do with intellect.
When man got the divine spark is when it started to use symbols. Before
then it was like any other animals. No projection. Civilizations started
when writing started, which occurred 1000 years after they were ousted
from the earthly paradise. It can't be refuted. There is no proof it is
not that even with all the archeology there is.
You two brain dead alcoholic buddies can try all you want. It just can't
be done. Writing started around 3000 BC.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
mass scale? Yeah, must have been the day. You moron. Humans were
endowed with intellect for a milllion years. They were painting
impressionist murals on cave walls with mixed paints and conducting
tribal ceremonies, ie, they had a religion, some 30 to 40 thousand
years ago. Those caves are in plain view in France for others to see
those paintings. Maybe you own personal ancestors at that time were
only scratching their balls and humping each other in the butt and
swinging from tree to tree, but the rest of our ancestors already
complex society even then (30,000 years ago.)
Jean Guernon
until 6000 years ago.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
<jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>until 6000 years ago.
Humans had an identical brain 300,000 years ago to the brain they
have now. We'll make an exception for the Neanderthals in your
family tree though Jacques.
Jean Guernon
pathetic.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DD9941B...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>
>Jean Guernon a crit :
>>
>> no a crit :
>> >
>> > WH wrote in message ...
>> > >
>> > >"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> skrev i meddelandet
>> > >news:3DD95121...@globetrotter.net...
>> > >>
>> > >> Before then there is nothing but scribbles... what big monkeys can
do,
>> > >> some drawings of buffaloes in caves...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Scribbles? Big monkeys?
>> > >
>> > >Having seen your picture and read your posts............
>> >
>> > LOL. There were agrarian communities, (with domesticated animals by
5800 BC
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> J.
>
>It was before that (10 000 years ago).
Hey stupid. Why don't you quote me properly? I wrote "or earlier". here's
the exact quote:
"LOL. There were agrarian communities, (with domesticated animals by 5800 BC
or earlier), of Semitic people in 8,000 BCE in Jericho."
>The fact remain that if that big
>ape started using his brain, it was merely as any other species does, to
>eat and reproduce.
And build walls and create pottery. Sure, that's beyond a baboon like you.
Even the Lascaux cave paintings from 13,000 BC are beyond you.
People worshipped before 5,000 BC. What an idiot you are.
>Every single species uses their particular brain to
>survive in their societies. It has nothing to do with intellect.
>
>When man got the divine spark is when it started to use symbols.
So people who were aborigines in the South Pacific in the 1900's AD who
never wrote in an alphabet never received the divine spark. Sure, baboon.
Do you want to see the links for the oldest temples in Malta again?
........................
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DD9AD5D...@globetrotter.net>...
>Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>until 6000 years ago.
What an idiot. They clearly worshipped in temples by 5,000 BC, but didn't
speak while holding the idols of the goddess in Southern Europe. Sure
baboon. Any historian would laugh at your comment above.
...............
>J.
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>>
>> Divine spark? You mean the day man started murdering other humans on a
>> mass scale? Yeah, must have been the day. You moron. Humans were
>> endowed with intellect for a milllion years. They were painting
>> impressionist murals on cave walls with mixed paints and conducting
>> tribal ceremonies, ie, they had a religion, some 30 to 40 thousand
>> years ago. Those caves are in plain view in France for others to see
>> those paintings. Maybe you own personal ancestors at that time were
>> only scratching their balls and humping each other in the butt and
>> swinging from tree to tree, but the rest of our ancestors already
>> complex society even then (30,000 years ago.)
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:30:27 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Jean Guernon a crit :
>> >>
>> >> no a crit :
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DD9AFE2...@globetrotter.net>...
>As if your remark or slurs changed history of mankind. tss tss...
>pathetic.
You are reinventing anthropology. Try that with your university professors.
No wonder you got so few votes for parliament. It might be close to what was
quoted. Idiot.
..............
>J.
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:18:09 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>> >until 6000 years ago.
>>
>> Humans had an identical brain 300,000 years ago to the brain they
>> have now. We'll make an exception for the Neanderthals in your
>> family tree though Jacques.
>>
>> >
>> >J.
>> >
>> >agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>> >>
>> >> Divine spark? You mean the day man started murdering other humans on a
>> >> mass scale? Yeah, must have been the day. You moron. Humans were
>> >> endowed with intellect for a milllion years. They were painting
>> >> impressionist murals on cave walls with mixed paints and conducting
>> >> tribal ceremonies, ie, they had a religion, some 30 to 40 thousand
>> >> years ago. Those caves are in plain view in France for others to see
>> >> those paintings. Maybe you own personal ancestors at that time were
>> >> only scratching their balls and humping each other in the butt and
>> >> swinging from tree to tree, but the rest of our ancestors already
>> >> complex society even then (30,000 years ago.)
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:30:27 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> >> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Jean Guernon a crit :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> no a crit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
just suddenly become "large enough" for culture, language and
'civilization' 6,000 years ago. Their brains had been formed into
their present size and complexity 300,000 years ago. The factor
which forced towns (villages had existed for 20,000 years), division
of labor, and written language was forced on humans when their
population could no longer be supported on a large scale as
hunter gatherers, and they had to join forces to produce
anough food on farms to feed the rest of their people.
It was this, not brain size Jacques. If anyone else here
isn't completely fed up with your ignorance, I'd welcome
them to verify what I said.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:28:54 GMT, Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon
J.
no a écrit :
Jean Guernon
J.
no a écrit :
eric davis
yelling profanities at the top of his lungs at 4:30 am on Sunday morning. I
think it's pretty clear he has little more than a tenuous grasp of reality.
It's sad, really.
eric.
<agent...@torontonet.ca> wrote in message
news:g1ejtuo9o7dst72sb...@4ax.com...
Jean Guernon
is used.
Size is not everything.
Look at yours.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
Jean Guernon
J.
eric davis a écrit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:26:26 -0500, "eric davis" <eri...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
agent...@torontonet.ca
<jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>Nah, brain size means nothing. ¸Look at elephants. It is when and how it
>is used.
>
>Size is not everything.
>
>Look at yours.
>
>J.
You are a complete joke Jacques. It's not just brain size. It's the
complexity of the cerebral matter, especially the frontal lobe
and cortex. The human brain today is IDENTICAL today as it
was 300,000 years ago in humans. The hardware is the same,
only the programming has changed. Written language came
about when humans could no longer support their numbers
through hunting and gathering, and started to have to grow
stuff and account for it, share it, make laws who gets more and
who gets less, and to give orders for the evolving divisions of
labor, and the wars that resulted from scarcity.
You are so ignorant, that no one should even bother with you.
Go back to your bottle Jacques, it's safer for you there.
Grantland
>Your knowledge of anthropology is abysmal. The human brain didn't
>just suddenly become "large enough" for culture, language and
>'civilization' 6,000 years ago. Their brains had been formed into
>their present size and complexity 300,000 years ago. The factor
>which forced towns (villages had existed for 20,000 years), division
>of labor, and written language was forced on humans when their
>population could no longer be supported on a large scale as
>hunter gatherers, and they had to join forces to produce
>anough food on farms to feed the rest of their people.
Incorrect. Populations could only grow AFTER agriculture was
invented. The hunter-gatherers were subsumed
(driven-off/assimilated/exterminated) by the larger numbers of
agriculturalists.
Grantland
Grantland
>was 300,000 years ago in humans. The hardware is the same,
>only the programming has changed.
nope
Grantland
>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:18:09 GMT, Jean Guernon
><jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
>>Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>>until 6000 years ago.
>
>Humans had an identical brain 300,000 years ago to the brain they
>have now. We'll make an exception for the Neanderthals in your
>family tree though Jacques.
Incorrect. The split between African homo sapiens and Euro/Asian h
sapiens sapiens occurred 50-100 000 years ago. Euros split from
Asians even more recently.
Grantland
agent...@torontonet.ca
wrote:
Ageiculture EVOLVED. Humans just didn't wake up one morning
and said, "Hey, lets start farming."
The hunter gatherers evolved into farmers to supplement the
food they hunted, then began to use animal husbandry almost
exclusively for a more stable, year round source of food.
Human society evolved. Some cultures are still a combination
of hunter-gatherer and agrarian, for example, in the jungles of Brazil
where they get much of their game from the forest, yet raise
pigs and grow some corn. This is similiar to most earlier European
societies, which evolved into primarily agrarian, because the game
they hunted could no longer support the majority of protein needs.
It was the pressures of population that put more emphasis on
year-round crop and livestock management, not the other
way around. If the population pressures hadn't existed, humans
would still be living in caves, humping their dogs and killing
wild beaver for food, or did I get that backwards?
agent...@torontonet.ca
wrote:
Cro Magnon is the same species as you and I. Evolved into
that species 300,000 years ago, not 6,000. The craniums of
Cro Magnon found as far back as possible are same size as
ours, relative to our body size. Sure, some people may have only
be 3 feet tall in our species (drawfs, pigmies, whatever) but their
brain cortex is the same. We are all the same species and that species
evolved 300,000 years ago, in parallel with others such as
Neanderthal, which extincted, from inability to maintain adequate
population due to food gathering techniques, and from being
killed-off by Cro Magnon (who likely also ate them after killing).
agent...@torontonet.ca
wrote:
Then how due you explain the evidence of Siberian and other Asian
human remains found on the South American continent that have
been carbon dated at 70 to 120 thousand years old? Doesn't
fit the mold of classical anthropology, but they have been found
there, and no one can explain how they got there at that time.
Your thinking and knowledge is dated. At one time scientists thought
that pre-humans didn't emerge until 1 million years ago, then it
became 2 million, now it's 4 million. There has been enough evidence
that 'modern humans' came to the shores of South America as early as
120 thousand years ago, and they didn't get there by swinging from the
trees from Asia.
no
..........................
eric davis wrote in message ...
>> >agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:18:09 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> >> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>> >> >until 6000 years ago.
>> >>
>> >> Humans had an identical brain 300,000 years ago to the brain they
>> >> have now. We'll make an exception for the Neanderthals in your
>> >> family tree though Jacques.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >J.
>> >> >
>> >> >agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Divine spark? You mean the day man started murdering other humans
on
>a
>> >> >> mass scale? Yeah, must have been the day. You moron. Humans were
>> >> >> endowed with intellect for a milllion years. They were painting
>> >> >> impressionist murals on cave walls with mixed paints and conducting
>> >> >> tribal ceremonies, ie, they had a religion, some 30 to 40 thousand
>> >> >> years ago. Those caves are in plain view in France for others to
see
>> >> >> those paintings. Maybe you own personal ancestors at that time were
>> >> >> only scratching their balls and humping each other in the butt and
>> >> >> swinging from tree to tree, but the rest of our ancestors already
>> >> >> complex society even then (30,000 years ago.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:30:27 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> >> >> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jean Guernon a crit :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> no a crit :
JayJ
"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:3DD90BA5...@globetrotter.net...
>
> agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
> >
> > This is good
>
> Yep, a good pretext to ship them all back to Jordan.
Now that would be the other way arround ouldn't it? The Palastinian
refuguees, about 3 mln(?) would be going back to THEIR HOMELAND PALASTINA.
Have the men with the white coats spotted you yet? They got "the vest" with
'm?
It's becoming a problem isn't it? You're bs gets more obvious every non
related post you drop in here.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> J.
>
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:57:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
> > <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
>http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&
JayJ
LOSER.
"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:3DD920F4...@globetrotter.net...
>
>
> agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
> >
> > The Arabs were there even before that. Where do you think
> > Jews came from?
>
> Hahaha
>
> From Adam.
>
> And then Noah, Isaac, Jonas, Abraham, etc. These are Jews, loser.
>
> J.
>
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:28:45 GMT, Jean Guernon
> > <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Nah the jews were there thousands of years ago.
> > >
> > >You were a worm crawling under your rock. YOU go back there.
> > >
> > >J.
> > >
> > >agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:48:22 GMT, Jean Guernon
> > >> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is good
> > >> >
> > >> >Yep, a good pretext to ship them all back to Jordan.
> > >> >
> > >> >Thank you very much.
> > >> >
> > >> >J.
> > >>
> > >> ha ha ! they didn't come from Jordan you idiot. They came from
> > >> Palestine. Your ancestors on the other hand came from France,
> > >> but we know they would never take you back.
> > >>
> > >> The Israelis came from Poland, and have some weak excuse
> > >> to occupy Palestinian lands. They forget that Europeans threw
> > >> them out of the Mid-East, where they were always a minority.
> > >>
> > >> And soon those whose land that the Polish Jews stole, are going
> > >> to finish the job..
JayJ
http://www.sitchin.com/astronaut.htm
"Jean Guernon" <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:3DD9941B...@globetrotter.net...
JayJ
WE found YOU neanderthal still hunting and needing a big nose for your food
and safety. (I like your nigger jokes neanther. LOL)
WE brought in domestic caddle, agriculture and the most significant
difference..... dogs amoungst other animals as pets in a (second) migration
flood into europe.
"Grantland" <mit...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:3dda5b1c...@ct-news.iafrica.com...
Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon a écrit :
>
> Sure.
>
> J.
>
> no a écrit :
> [snip]
> >
> > Do you want to see the links for the oldest temples in Malta again?
> >
> > ........................
Still waiting.
J.
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:28:45 GMT, Jean Guernon
> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
> >Nah, brain size means nothing. ¸Look at elephants. It is when and how it
> >is used.
> >
> >Size is not everything.
> >
> >Look at yours.
> >
> >J.
>
> You are a complete joke Jacques.
Nope. You are.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
<jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:28:45 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Nah, brain size means nothing. ¸Look at elephants. It is when and how it
>> >is used.
>> >
>> >Size is not everything.
>> >
>> >Look at yours.
>> >
>> >J.
>>
>> You are a complete joke Jacques.
>
>Nope. You are.
>
>J.
What's that cologne you're wearing Jacques? Au De Shit?
Good thing the wind blows west to east.
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDB029B...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>
>Jean Guernon a crit :
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> no a crit :
>> [snip]
>> >
>> > Do you want to see the links for the oldest temples in Malta again?
>> >
>> > ........................
>
>
>Still waiting.
Since you asked so nicely, here's the site with the oldest known temple;
7000 years old. I won't rub salt in the wound since you were so kind.
http://www.sanandrea.edu.mt/temples/majorTemples.html
>J.
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
Not sure there is anything older than 6000 years old. They do talk of a
temple ""around"" 7000 years old, at
http://www.sanandrea.edu.mt/temples/majorTemples.html but when you look
at the page: http://www.sanandrea.edu.mt/temples/HagratTemple.html
there is no more precision.
They seem to make a a precision only of when they discovered 5,600 years
old chambers
(http://www.sanandrea.edu.mt/temples/ShapeoftheTemples.html) and in fact
you look at their faq and it is clear, the oldest temples in the world
(there was no need for temple during the paradise era, god was there) is
at most 6000 years old:
Quote: "Scientists have conducted special tests that show that Ggantija
in Gozo in nearly 6000 years old!
The earliest temples were built at around 3,800 to 3,600 years before
Christ."
http://www.sanandrea.edu.mt/temples/faq.html
Look at number 4 also.
And again, they might have started earlier to gather cattle etc., as
they were managing their territory, especially on an Island.
But the main point is that it is not before 6000 years ago and the 7000
is given as an approximation and is not confirmed in any of the
specifics.
I know you want to be right at all costs so you will make it up. But
these are the facts.
Interesting though.
J.
Grantland
>And they came from Arabs, when the Arabs were pagans. What do
>you think they converted from? Adam was supposed to have lived
>only 4,000 years ago, which is bullshit, if he was the "first man".
>
>The "first man" in the Palestine probably got there 400,000 years
>ago, and he sure as hell wasn't a Jew, he was an ethnic Arab
>from North Africa.
nope
Grantland
>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:38:57 GMT, mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland)
>wrote:
>
>>>. The human brain today is IDENTICAL today as it
>>>was 300,000 years ago in humans. The hardware is the same,
>>>only the programming has changed.
>>
>>nope
>
>Cro Magnon is the same species as you and I. Evolved into
>that species 300,000 years ago, not 6,000.
nope
No Cro-Magnons 300 000 years ago.
G
Grantland
>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:39:12 GMT, mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland)
>wrote:
>
>>agent...@torontonet.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:18:09 GMT, Jean Guernon
>>><jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dream on loser. They didn't even have the brain to speak (or write)
>>>>until 6000 years ago.
>>>
>>>Humans had an identical brain 300,000 years ago to the brain they
>>>have now. We'll make an exception for the Neanderthals in your
>>>family tree though Jacques.
>>
>>Incorrect. The split between African homo sapiens and Euro/Asian h
>>sapiens sapiens occurred 50-100 000 years ago. Euros split from
>>Asians even more recently.
>>
>>Grantland
>
>Then how due you explain the evidence of Siberian and other Asian
>human remains found on the South American continent that have
>been carbon dated at 70 to 120 thousand years old? Doesn't
>fit the mold of classical anthropology, but they have been found
>there, and no one can explain how they got there at that time.
The first wave of h erectus .. which became neandertaler & others...
was wiped by the second wave of sapiens.. which became sapiens
sapiens. H sapiens neandertaler is a misnomer. Neandertaler was
erectus derived.
>
>Your thinking and knowledge is dated. At one time scientists thought
>that pre-humans didn't emerge until 1 million years ago, then it
>became 2 million, now it's 4 million. There has been enough evidence
>that 'modern humans' came to the shores of South America as early as
>120 thousand years ago, and they didn't get there by swinging from the
>trees from Asia.
nope
>
>
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDBA803...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>
>no a crit :
Au contraire, I admit my mistakes. And sometimes I see some of my mistakes
and don't correct them, if no one else notices.
But you are wrong about the worshipping. People of course worshipped and
must have spoken in order to worship.
There are many figurines or statuettes from the Mediterranean or Middle
East, which indicate worship before 4,000 BCE (6,000 years ago), since the
figurines were often found at burial sites. Also the goddess statuettes were
found in the Mediterranean region and later they were found in the Malta
temples. Though the earliest temples may be from 4,000 BC, the Maltese
people arrived there about 7000 years ago with goddess worship figurines. No
matter what the controversy about the goddess worship, there is ample
evidence of worship using figurines in many parts of the Neolithic world.
And worship requires speech. Only looking at the pictures would be
sufficient. Here are two sites with excerpts to make reading easier. The
pictures are interesting.
http://www.accd.edu/sac/vat/arthistory/arts1303/Neolith1.htm
a fixed location for gods and goddesses (temple building and religious
objects) and secure places for the bodies of the deceased (tombs, ossuaries
and urns).
[...]
Small human figurines created during the Neolithic era are often understood
as fertility and/or worship figures although their exact purpose remains
unknown. Most of the statuettes were found in burial locations.
Characteristics of late neolithic Mesopotamian art can be seen in the
figures below -- the large eyes inset with other materials; the arms folded
across the abdomen; the staring, supplicant appearance.
http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/malta/malta.html
The original inhabitants of the Maltese Islands probably crossed over by sea
from Sicily, which lies 58 miles to the north, sometime before 5000 BC. The
temple builders were farmers who grew cereals and raised domestic livestock.
They worshipped a mother goddess whose type is known from early statuettes
found scattered around the Mediterranean. Similar statues are also found on
Malta, several being of uniquely large size.
............................
>Interesting though.
>
>J.
Jean Guernon
Semians could have done them easily.
Doesn't mean much.
J.
no a écrit :
Jean Guernon
rock is still the same old rock. No, it takes more.
Funny though that this is the remaining potential, just one vague
possibility. The earlier they can really date these is the chambers they
found, 5,600 years ago. Hence why they say the Malta temple is around
6000 years in their faqs. There is not really much more.
Doesn't it say a lot?
J.
no a écrit :
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDC0E8B...@globetrotter.net>...
>Figurines are not convincing to me.
>
>Semians could have done them easily.
Look closely at the figurines. Do simians bury figurines with their dead? Do
those similar figurines appear in their temples of worship? You're...forget
it.
>Doesn't mean much.
I don't expect to convince you of anything. Go tell your local anthropology
professors that modern humans didn't speak until 4,000 BC, and watch them
laugh.
..................
>J.
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDC12CA...@globetrotter.net>...
>Figurines are not convincing to me. Semians could have done them easily.
>Doesn't mean much. Especially that carbon dating means nothing. A carved
>rock is still the same old rock. No, it takes more.
>
>Funny though that this is the remaining potential, just one vague
>possibility. The earlier they can really date these is the chambers they
>found, 5,600 years ago. Hence why they say the Malta temple is around
>6000 years in their faqs. There is not really much more.
>
>Doesn't it say a lot?
Perhaps. But you must revise your theories. People could obviously speak
before 4,000 BC. The first "free standing" temples date to around 4,000 BC.
The first cities date to around 4,000 BC.
But there were villages and agrarian communities before 4,000 BC. And there
were caves used for worship before 4,000 BC. The same figurines can be found
in places of worship before and after 5,000 BC as stated in the article
which says the same types of goddess figurines came from early worship in
the Mediterranean.
I don't have to convince you of anything. Keep preaching your nonsense.
>J.
Jean Guernon
J.
no a écrit :
Jean Guernon
JayJ a écrit :
>
> Check out Rev. 2:9
> LOSER.
haha jayj the anti-Semite New Zeland asshole, that challenges King
David's origin... with an unrelated scripture. Tsss.... pathetic. What
does Revelation 2,9 have to do with the Koran anyway? The Muslims don't
even believe it is scriptures. Poor fucking moron, lost on a NG where he
never had any affinity to begin with. Only here to shit nazi propaganda
lies. Tss tsss
SHAME.
J.
Jean Guernon
J.
JayJ a écrit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
Give it up. People spoke LONG before they had a written language.
agent...@torontonet.ca
figurines ? What a laugh!
agent...@torontonet.ca
Organized religions were a result of division of labor following
transtiion to agrarian from hunter-gatherer societies.
Why would a tribe that (spoke) and lived from hunting game only
and lived in small units have to build a stone temple? Or even
have time to?
agent...@torontonet.ca
Portugal that date back to 15,000 to 25,000 years ago were done by
apes?
You are one ignorant fool.
TonyZ2001
wrote:
>>The "first man" in the Palestine probably got there 400,000 years
>>ago, and he sure as hell wasn't a Jew, he was an ethnic Arab
>>from North Africa.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
An Arab eh?
You freaking goofball, Arabs originated on the Arabian Peninsula and migrated
to the area of Israel and Northern Africa only in the last 1200 years or so.
Tony
no
........
agent...@torontonet.ca wrote in message ...
>Ha ha ha ha. Semians? So you are saying now that monkeys made
>figurines ? What a laugh!
>
>
>
>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:38:03 GMT, Jean Guernon
><jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
>>Figurines are not convincing to me.
>>
>>Semians could have done them easily.
>>
>>Doesn't mean much.
>>
>>J.
>>
agent...@torontonet.ca
You are another moron who's science, anthropology and history are
taken from that forgery and mythology handbook called the "Bible."
So you say there were no Arabs prior to 1,200 years ago?
The Jews weren't there alone all that time, and who do you think built
the pyramds. They weren't Jews you idiot. They were Arabs.
Arab merchants and settlers were living there long before that.
They migrated from Africa. The Jews are a Mongrol race of
genetic defects that came along much later, descended from
the Arabs.
Jean Guernon
Hahaha.
J.
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> On 21 Nov 2002 10:13:23 GMT, tony...@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
>
> >>agent...@torontonet.ca wrote:
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>The "first man" in the Palestine probably got there 400,000 years
> >>>ago, and he sure as hell wasn't a Jew, he was an ethnic Arab
> >>>from North Africa.
> >
> >ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >An Arab eh?
> >
> >You freaking goofball, Arabs originated on the Arabian Peninsula and migrated
> >to the area of Israel and Northern Africa only in the last 1200 years or so.
> >
> >Tony
>
> You are another moron who's science, anthropology and history are
> taken from that forgery and mythology handbook called the "Bible."
>
> So you say there were no Arabs prior to 1,200 years ago?
>
Fucking moron, can't even read.
As usual. LOL
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible." The Semites settled
into the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa threel hundred thousand
years agom, some of the first migrations out of Africa.
These Semites settled what is also known as Palestine.
The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
Tony, in his ignorance says there were no Arabs until 1,200
years ago. This is absurd, because the people have been
speaking Arabic language for centuries before that, and before
that the same people spoke other languages, but they wer
the same people. He is confused between the spread
of Islam 1,200 years ago, and the great migration from
Africa to North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula that happened
eons before that.
You and Tony are both professionally ignorant, I'm not sure why.
If the bible is all you have to go on, you'll remain stupid forever.
Grantland
>Yeah,
>WE found YOU neanderthal still hunting and needing a big nose for your food
>and safety. (I like your nigger jokes neanther. LOL)
>WE brought in domestic caddle, agriculture and the most significant
>difference..... dogs amoungst other animals as pets in a (second) migration
>flood into europe.
>
Dream on, chimp. *You* stayed behind in Africa plucking bananas in
the foetid jungle - which is why you failed to evolve beyond homo
sapiens. WE wiped out the Neanderthalers/Java men etc in a hideous
total war that lasted 10 000 years. And survived ice ages and long,
barren winters.. which is why we are now h sapiens sapiens. And
loving it.
Grantland
>"Grantland" <mit...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
>news:3dda5b1c...@ct-news.iafrica.com...
>> agent...@torontonet.ca wrote:
agent...@torontonet.ca
wrote:
>"JayJ" <jay...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah,
>>WE found YOU neanderthal still hunting and needing a big nose for your food
>>and safety. (I like your nigger jokes neanther. LOL)
>>WE brought in domestic caddle, agriculture and the most significant
>>difference..... dogs amoungst other animals as pets in a (second) migration
>>flood into europe.
>>
>Dream on, chimp. *You* stayed behind in Africa plucking bananas in
>the foetid jungle - which is why you failed to evolve beyond homo
>sapiens. WE wiped out the Neanderthalers/Java men etc in a hideous
>total war that lasted 10 000 years. And survived ice ages and long,
>barren winters.. which is why we are now h sapiens sapiens. And
>loving it.
>
>Grantland
Theer is still one Neanderthal that didn't get eaten by homo erectus,
that's Jacques Guernon, the amazing living fossil and human
relic.
Grantland
>On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:44:10 GMT, mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland)
>wrote:
>
>>"JayJ" <jay...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah,
>>>WE found YOU neanderthal still hunting and needing a big nose for your food
>>>and safety. (I like your nigger jokes neanther. LOL)
>>>WE brought in domestic caddle, agriculture and the most significant
>>>difference..... dogs amoungst other animals as pets in a (second) migration
>>>flood into europe.
>>>
>>Dream on, chimp. *You* stayed behind in Africa plucking bananas in
>>the foetid jungle - which is why you failed to evolve beyond homo
>>sapiens. WE wiped out the Neanderthalers/Java men etc in a hideous
>>total war that lasted 10 000 years. And survived ice ages and long,
>>barren winters.. which is why we are now h sapiens sapiens. And
>>loving it.
>>
>>Grantland
>
>Theer is still one Neanderthal that didn't get eaten by homo erectus,
>that's Jacques Guernon, the amazing living fossil and human
>relic.
>
Actually it was Neandertaler that was the cannibal, who preyed on the
much smaller, less powerful Cro-Magnon:
National Geographic Jan. '96 is all about Neandertalers. And guess
what - it says that they were probably descended from homo erectus,
and possibly wiped out by later 'sapiens from Africa. Also, a quote:
"...Cannibalism seems seems far more likely in Croatia, where cut
marks scar many of the bones from Krapina and Vindija. Here
Neandertalers had smashed the bones of many of their dead....
"I think they wanted the meat and the marrow" argues Tim White, a
paleoanthropologist at (Berkeley)... "If it were part of a ritual to
break open the bones, then all the bones would be broken. But they
smashed only the large bones of the limbs - the ones with a lot of
marrow."
...He sees cannibalism as one of a variety of ways Neandertalers
sustained themselves rather than an occasional act of desperation by
starving humans.
So how's this for a slightly revised scenario: 'Erectus leaves
Africa, settles in Europe and evolves into the (pretty scary)
Neandertaler.
Meanwhile, in Africa, 'sapiens appears, reaches Europe and
encounters Neandertaler. War ensues; N is wiped out after 10 000
years. Why such pitiless war? Because the bastards probably thought
of Cro-Magnon as something to eat.
- National G. is far more PC about the fellows than I.
ps - doesn't say how much they weighed, only that they "would have
made Arnold Schwartzenegger look like a wimp".
Grantland
Jacques probably has dreams like Jeoffrey Dahmer. Little boys bums -
on toast. pfffff
agent...@torontonet.ca
wrote:
They'd make a great football team.
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> For your sake Jacques, please get some basic knowledge on the subject
> other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible."
Bah if you can'T deal with the truth better get an education. Or else
migrate to Muslim countries where lies are accepted as reality.
These sites is what you should read congenital idiot. History and
science confirm the bible loser.
Here's a listing of related web sites around the world. Universities,
excavation projects, scholarly
Biblical resources and even dedicated amateurs have sites that are fun
to visit.
Although we do our best to screen these sites for suitability, please
note that they are not mainained
by BAS; therefore we are not responsible for their content.
Updated 20 September, 2002
by http://www.bib-arch.org/
Academic Sites
American Academy of Religion
http://www.aar-site.org
Devoted to the study of religion, this academic organization includes
information about membership, upcoming meetings, publications,
careers and grants on its home page.
American Schools of Oriental Research
http://www.asor.org
The home page of this scholarly organization includes information
on upcoming meetings, publications, grants and membership.
Archaeological Institute of America
http://www.archaeological.org
Tours, publications and fellowships are listed in the home page of
this cultural and educational organization, dedicated to supporting
archaeological research and publication.
British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem
britac3.britac.ac.uk/institutes/jerus/index.html
The home page of this center for the study of the archaeology,
history and culture of the Levant lists field projects, grants and
publications.
Dutch Foundation for Biblical Archaeology
http://www.bga.nl/en
An up-and-coming site in English and Dutch with scholarly articles,
feedback and discussion.
Exploring Ancient World Cultures
eawc.evansville.edu
An on-line course supplement for students and teachers of ancient
and medieval history, developed at the University of Illinois at
Evansville.
Franciscan Archaeological Institute (Jordan)
http://198.62.75.1/www1/ofm/fai/FAImain.html
Excavations of Mt. Nebo, Madaba Archaeological Park, Umm
el-Rasas, and other sites in Jordan.
Frequently Asked Questions About a Career
in Archaeology in the U.S.
http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/anthro/dlcfaq.html
Want to know what it takes to be an archaeologist? Texas A&M
professor David L. Carson offers tips on jobs, schools, books to
read and volunteer opportunities.
Israel Exploration Society
http://www.hum.huji.ac.il/ies
Provides a key role in archaeological studies in the Land of Israel. It
coordinates much of the multi-institutional archeological research
carried out in Israel including organizing excavations, enlisting
financial support and publishing the results of excavations. The
Society also publishes two quarterly journals (one in English; one in
Hebrew) as well as other scholarly publications.
Nautical Archaeology at Texas A&M University
http://nautarch.tamu.edu
Information about this interesting branch of archaeological studies.
Info on both the Nautical Archaeology Program at Texas A&M
University and the Institute of Nautical Archaeology is included.
Orion Center for the Study of the Dead Sea Scrolls
orion.mscc.huji.ac.il
Keep abreast of scroll research and of research opportunities in
Israel. This list by Hebrew University's Orion Center includes an
extensive bibliography of recent research on the scrolls, a short
history of the manuscripts and a list of upcoming meetings.
Pepperdine Institute for the Study of Archaeology and Religion
http://www.pepperdine.edu/seaver/religion/ISAR
Information on their research, courses, public lecture series and
more, plus a complete section on their Banias excavation.
Palestine Exploration Fund
http://www.pef.org.uk
The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded in 1865 by a
group of distinguished academics and clergymen. The purpose of
the PEF was (and is) to promote research into the archaeology and
history, manners and customs and culture, topography, geology
and natural sciences of Biblical Palestine and the Levant.
Society of Biblical Literature
http://www.sbl-site.org
Publications and meetings are listed on the home page of this
academic organization.
Denominational
Sites
Anglican Association of Biblical Scholars
http://www.aabs.org
Leave a question about the Bible to be answered by an AABS
member via e-mail.
BaptistNet
http://www.baptistnet.com
The Bible study curriculum used by that denomination.
Church of Christ
church-of-christ.org
Links you to the American Standard and King James translations of
the Bible posted on the Web in their entirety. Also has Bible texts in
Spanish, Russian and Vietnamese.
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)
http://www.mormon.org
They will send a copy of the King James Bible to anyone who goes
to their home page and asks.
Global Jewish Information Network
jewishnet.net
Maintained by the Global Jewish Information Network, this site gives
you access to about two dozen links involving Torah and Talmudic
research.
Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church
http://www.lcms.org
Connects readers to the Lutheran Bible Translators, a group
devoted to Bible translation and literacy work around the world.
Near East Archaeological Society
http://www.neasoc.org
Focuses on research in the lands of the Bible and the modern
Middle East with a distinctively evangelical perspective.
New Advent
http://www.newadvent.org
A clearinghouse of information about the Catholic Church, including
links to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Vatican News Service, the
complete Summa Theologica, and much more.
United Church of Christ
http://www.ucc.org
Posts the complete text of each week's U.C.C. bible lectionary
on-line, and has a real-time Bible study on its chat room.
Digs
American Schools of Oriental Research's Dig Opportunities
http://www.asor.org/outreach/links/digs.html
Excavation opportunities for the 2000 season. All of the expeditions
listed have received approval by the Committee on Archaeological
Policy of the ASOR. Excavation and survey projects are included.
Odyssey in Egypt
http://www.website1.com/odyssey
An interactive excavation of a third-century Egyptian monastery,
complete with weekly updates from the people on site and
correspondence with the archaeologists.
Educational/
Informative
Ancient Near East
http://www.ancientneareast.net
A portal site for all things relating to the ancient Near East, for
scholars and laypersons alike. Information can be found on
lectures, conferences, digs, museums, exhibitions, news and
more.
Ask an Archaeologist
http://www.bu.edu/asor/outreach/AskArch.htm
Dozens of participating scholars and professors, grouped by
specialty, are available to answer your questions.
The Book of Jonah, The Book of Revelation
http://crain.english.mwsc.edu/Jonah/default.htm
http://crain.english.mwsc.edu/revelation/index.htm
Two sites by Jeanie C. Crain, a professor at Missouri Western State
College, featuring detailed analyses of the Book of Jonah and
Revelations, along with complete Biblical text, links to related bible
passages, and interpretations.
Evolution of Alphabets
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rfradkin/alphapage.html
An interesting site portraying the evolution of ancient (and modern)
alphabets through animation. Part of a site built by Prof. Robert
Fradkin at the University of Maryland.
Jerusalem Through Coins
http://www.JerusalemCoins.com
Tour Israel and ancient Jerusalem's history and numismatic
past-illuminated by ancient biblical and Judaean coins.
How to Become a Biblical Archaeologist
http://www.asor.org/outreach/HowToBecome.htm
The title says it all.
Into Archaeology
http://www.intoarch.com
Resources for archaeological professionals and enthusiasts
including software, articles, fonts, book reviews, news, multimedia,
and specialized editor reviewed channels.
Lisa's Favorite Architectural History Study Sites on the Web
http://www.aud.ucla.edu/~lms/
Lisa M. Snyder, a doctoral architecture student at UCLA and a
teacher of architectural history at Woodbury University, has set up
this site as a guide for students of architectural history. A good
starting-point for sites profiling architecture of all ages.
Mediterranean Archaeology Resources
http://www.geocities.com/i_georganas/main.html
A straightforward listing of journals, bibliographies, on-line
resources, search engines, on-line courses, organisations,
schools and essays.
On-line Survey of Audio-Visual Resources for Classics
http://www.drjclassics.com
Looking for a video on Pompeii? An interactive cd-rom game set in
ancient Rome or Greece? Comic strips in Latin? Archaeology kits?
Posters of the gods to decorate your classroom? Latin and Greek
lessons on tape or disk? Museum reproductions of ancient art?
Maps, books on tape, filmstrips, coloring books, jigsaw puzzles,
transparencies, and more from dozens of vendors are available
here.
Pisidian Antioch
http://www.pisidian.com
What do you want to know about Pisidian Antioch? Chances are
you'll find it here.
The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean
http://devlab.dartmouth.edu/history/bronze_age
An educational site in lesson form sponsored by Dartmouth
College.
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem
by Ritmeyer Archaeological Design
ds.dial.pipex.com/ritmeyer
Leen Ritmeyer, former chief architect of the Temple Mount
Excavations, provides an analysis of the Temple Mount in
Jerusalem. He has written extensively on the subject and has also
produced several slide sets, posters and large-scale models. You
can browse through the many photographs of the site, which are
available for purchase.
Exhibits
Dead Sea Scrolls
sunsite.unc.edu/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html
The Library of Congress's exhibit of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
We need more! If you would like to suggest a site featuring an
archaeological exhibit, email our webmaster.
Guides to Other
Resources
ABZU
http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/ABZU/ABZU.HTML
This index of internet resources for the study of the ancient Near
East includes address directories; library catalogues; lists of
museums, Web sites, journals, book publishers and dealers; a
general subject index; and regional indexes for Egypt and
Mesopotamia. The site is maintained by the Oriental Institute, at the
University of Chicago.
Ancient Near East
http://www.ancientneareast.net
A portal site for all things relating to the ancient Near East, for
scholars and laypersons alike. Information can be found on
lectures, conferences, digs, museums, exhibitions, news and
more.
Anthropology Resources on the Internet
http://home.worldnet.fr/~clist/Anthro/index.html
Connects you to just about every page pertaining to archaeology
and anthropology on the Web. Includes hotlinks to archaeology
discussion groups.
ArchNet
http://www.lib.uconn.edu/ArchNet
This collection of internet resources related to Near Eastern
archaeology can be searched by region or subject area. The site,
prepared by the University of Connecticut, also guides you to
museums, university departments and archaeology publications.
Argos Search Engine
argos.evansville.edu
Peer-reviewed resources on archaeology and the ancient world,
updated weekly.
CenturyOne Foundation
http://www.centuryone.com/foundation.html
This foundation funds in whole and/or in part, archaeological
projects, historical and Biblical research, lectures and
symposiums, publications and education on subjects pertaining to
the time of the first century C.E./A.D.
Classics and Mediterranean Archaeology Home Page
rome.classics.lsa.umich.edu/welcome.html
The University of Michigan's collection of sources for classicists and
Mediterranean archaeologists lists journals, bibliographies,
exhibits, image sources, site reports, departmental descriptions,
teaching resources, museums, atlases, news groups and gophers.
Egyptology Resources
http://www.newton.cam.ac.uk/egypt/index.html
A resource guide to the ancient Egypian studies, including sections
on museums, digs, publishers, journals, and more.
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agent...@torontonet.ca wrote in message
<6i1rtu0cak5gqopmf...@4ax.com>...
>For your sake Jacques, please get some basic knowledge on the subject
>other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible." The Semites settled
>into the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa threel hundred thousand
>years agom, some of the first migrations out of Africa.
>
>These Semites settled what is also known as Palestine.
>
>The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
>only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
>and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
>the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
>those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
>
>The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
>Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
>An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
>
>They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
>desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
Yeah everything began in Africa, not Mesopotamia, (Eden).
The first Homo sapiens sapiens appeared in East Africa about 120,000 BC. The
Semitic people have a unique history which was distorted to be
Israelite-centric by the scriptures writers. There is racist nonsense like
Arabs being descended from Ishmael the son of a concubine while Jews are
descended from very old Sarah the wife, both with Abraham. Also they wrote
that the Moabites and Ammonites (as in Amman, Jordan) were descended from
Lot's daughters raping him when they got him drunk. The Bible is full of
absurdities, racism, and obscenities and contradictions. Archaeologists are
taking apart a lot of the myths in the Bible. To get expert info, anyone can
spend some time in sci.archaeology, talk.origins, sci.anthropology, and
soc.history.ancient ; rather than following what Bobo Guernon the clown
writes.
.................
>Tony, in his ignorance says there were no Arabs until 1,200
>years ago. This is absurd, because the people have been
>speaking Arabic language for centuries before that, and before
>that the same people spoke other languages, but they wer
>the same people. He is confused between the spread
>of Islam 1,200 years ago, and the great migration from
>Africa to North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula that happened
>eons before that.
>
>You and Tony are both professionally ignorant, I'm not sure why.
>If the bible is all you have to go on, you'll remain stupid forever.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:57:07 GMT, Jean Guernon
><jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
>
> agent...@torontonet.ca wrote in message
> <6i1rtu0cak5gqopmf...@4ax.com>...
> >For your sake Jacques, please get some basic knowledge on the subject
> >other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible." The Semites settled
> >into the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa threel hundred thousand
> >years agom, some of the first migrations out of Africa.
> >
> >These Semites settled what is also known as Palestine.
> >
> >The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
> >only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
> >and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
> >the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
> >those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
> >
> >The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
> >Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
> >An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
> >
> >They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
> >desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
>
> Yeah everything began in Africa, not Mesopotamia, (Eden).
The first non-monkey may originate from Africa. Everything still began
from the first human to use his brain. But I don't expect you to
understand that by the very nature of the precedent.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca
Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
"dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
You are simply referring to the beginning of the
agrarian age and of division of labor and written
language, which are all social developments,
that used the brains that man already had.
Before written language there was verbal
only language. Before that probably hand
signals and whistles, etc. They still were
communicating and using their brains
to conceptualize.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:58:26 GMT, Jean Guernon
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDEE09D...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>
>no a crit :
>>
>> agent...@torontonet.ca wrote in message
>> <6i1rtu0cak5gqopmf...@4ax.com>...
>> >For your sake Jacques, please get some basic knowledge on the subject
>> >other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible." The Semites settled
>> >into the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa threel hundred thousand
>> >years agom, some of the first migrations out of Africa.
>> >
>> >These Semites settled what is also known as Palestine.
>> >
>> >The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
>> >only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
>> >and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
>> >the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
>> >those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
>> >
>> >The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
>> >Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
>> >An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
>> >
>> >They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
>> >desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
>>
>> Yeah everything began in Africa, not Mesopotamia, (Eden).
>
>The first non-monkey may originate from Africa. Everything still began
>from the first human to use his brain. But I don't expect you to
>understand that by the very nature of the precedent.
Sure. "Semians" painted the caves of Lascaux.
............
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> So what do you define as "using his brain?"
>
> Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
> they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
> going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
> animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
> "dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
>
> You are simply referring to the beginning of the
> agrarian age and of division of labor and written
> language, which are all social developments,
> that used the brains that man already had.
> Before written language there was verbal
> only language. Before that probably hand
> signals and whistles, etc. They still were
> communicating and using their brains
> to conceptualize.
Yep. But only when they learned the diffference between good and evil
did they stop being mere creature in the creation and started history as
we know it. Animals have no such concept even if they know what's bad
and what's good. Anyway, I expect you will argue like nono. I'm affraid
especially in your case, that given your track record, this is more of
the realm of people who belong here.
J.
Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
>
> So what do you define as "using his brain?"
>
> Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
> they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
> going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
> animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
> "dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
>
> You are simply referring to the beginning of the
> agrarian age and of division of labor and written
> language, which are all social developments,
> that used the brains that man already had.
> Before written language there was verbal
> only language. Before that probably hand
> signals and whistles, etc. They still were
> communicating and using their brains
> to conceptualize.
Yep. But only when they learned the diffference between good and evil
did they stop being mere creature in the creation and started history as
we know it. Animals have no such concept even if they know what's bad
and what's good to them, they have no moral value. Anyway, I expect you
will argue like nono. I'm affraid especially in your case, that given
your track record, this is more of the realm of people who belong here.
J.
>
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
>
> Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDEE09D...@globetrotter.net>...
> >
> >
> >no a crit :
> >>
> >> agent...@torontonet.ca wrote in message
> >> <6i1rtu0cak5gqopmf...@4ax.com>...
> >> >For your sake Jacques, please get some basic knowledge on the subject
> >> >other than that pile of shit you call "The Bible." The Semites settled
> >> >into the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa threel hundred thousand
> >> >years agom, some of the first migrations out of Africa.
> >> >
> >> >These Semites settled what is also known as Palestine.
> >> >
> >> >The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
> >> >only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
> >> >and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
> >> >the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
> >> >those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
> >> >
> >> >The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
> >> >Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
> >> >An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
> >> >
> >> >They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
> >> >desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
> >>
> >> Yeah everything began in Africa, not Mesopotamia, (Eden).
> >
> >The first non-monkey may originate from Africa. Everything still began
> >from the first human to use his brain. But I don't expect you to
> >understand that by the very nature of the precedent.
>
> Sure. "Semians" painted the caves of Lascaux.
CQFD
Thank you very much.
J.
>
null
> Before that probably hand
> signals and whistles, etc. They still were communicating and using their
> brains
> to conceptualize.
Is that why Islamic churches are round and Christian mosques are square?
agent...@torontonet.ca
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:35:37 GMT, Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca
before a Priest Class emerged to make the rules and
shove those rules down people's throats. This wasn't
enlightenment, it was tyranny.
These same Priest Classes committed ritualistic murder as
the Azecs and others. Priest Classes made other slaves
and put them to the sword for "disobeying" GOD's
law.
What you call "enlightenment" was simply
the end of the long age of innocence and
freedom, followed by the darkness of mass
murder, sanctioned slavery, class systems
with the ruling class creating the rules and
brutalizing the others.
That was "enlightenment", it was the beginning
of man's enslavement to dogma and ideology.
And those led to hundreds of millions of violent
deaths over the past 6,000 years.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:32:30 GMT, Jean Guernon
agent...@torontonet.ca
rules of dogma to know the difference between
"right" and "wrong", which are simply rules of
logic of cause and effect. You mess with someone,
they'll mess back. You screw some other guy's
wife, or carry her off to your village to rape her,
he will come back with his buddies and do
the same to you, and on and on. Humans
have known about cause and effect for
a million years, which is why they didn't kill
each other off completely a long time ago.
People worked it out.
What happened 6,000 years ago was the division
of labor that created major differences between
rich and poor, ruler and ruled, and the ruler
made the rules about "right" and "wrong" whatever
way he wanted.,
The past 6,000 have been nothing but a sage
of war, oppression, violence and greed, directly
under the noses of those "religious class" rulers
who approved and looked the other way, as in
the Spanish Inquisition and the massacre of
tens of millions of Native Americans by
direct warfare and by sending in missionaries,
and smallpox was never far behind. This is
why 99% died, and the European "Catholics"
ie, those of Empire in the Priest and Ruling Class
wanted those Native Americans to die en masse,
so that their lands would be easily taken away
without a fight.
Your "Enlightenment" is actually "Darkness"
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:30:03 GMT, Jean Guernon
World War Three 2003
_______________________________________________________________________
Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<3DD8C719...@globetrotter.net>...
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1037459458339
>
> Nov. 16, 2002
>
> Islamic Jihad: Attack in Hebron a source of Palestinian pride
> By NEWS AGENCIES
>
> Senior Palestinian Authority officials declined to condemn Friday
> night's terrorist attack in Hebron that killed 12 Israelis, saying the
> incident was Israel's own fault.
>
> Nabil Abu Rudeineh, a senior advisor to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, told
> reporters in Ramallah that the attack showed that Israelis must
> understand that there will not be peace or security if Israel continues
> to act against the Palestinian people, especially by occupying cities
> and villages.
>
> Hebron Mayor Abdel Mustafa Natshe blamed Israel for the attack, telling
> Arab media that it followed closures in the Machpela Cave, curfews,
> disruptions of daily life, and the division of the city, all for the
> sake of a group of settlers who don't belong in Hebron.
>
> Meanwhile, Abdullah al-Shami, a leader of Islamic Jihad in Gaza, said
> that the attack should be a source of pride for all Palestinians, not
> just for his organization, which has claimed responsibility.
>
> Ramadan Shallah, the Syrian-based head of Islamic Jihad, said his
> organization had carried out the attack in revenge for the IDF's killing
> last Saturday of Iyad Sawalha, the man believed to have been behind
> several suicide bombings, including the bus-bombing at Karkur junction
> last month which killed 14 people.
>
> "I extend congratulations to our heroic mujahideen (martyrs)...who were
> able to carry out this remarkable operation. They include members of the
> Jerusalem Brigades, the military wing of Islamic Jihad in Palestine,"
> Shallah told Al-Jazeera TV by telephone.
>
> In the Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, dozens of Islamic Jihad
> supporters rushed into the streets to celebrate the attack, some firing
> in the air.
>
> "This is retaliation for the daily crimes and ugly massacres committed
> by the Zionist occupiers against our people," one armed man said over
> loudspeaker.
Jean Guernon
related to the skunk.
J.
agent...@torontonet.ca a écrit :
Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon
Jean Guernon
World War Three 2003 a écrit :
>
> So ?!?
So? Thanks for asking. Well let's push all of them back to Jordan ewhre
they belong. Most do not deserve Palestine and apparentlty never will.
Let some back in, those that will promise to behave. Nothing else to do
with that bunch of savages.
J.
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Jean Guernon <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<3DD8C719...@globetrotter.net>...
> > http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1037459458339
> >
> > Nov. 16, 2002
> >
> > Islamic Jihad: Attack in Hebron a source of Palestinian pride
> > By NEWS AGENCIES
[snip]
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDEF74E...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>
>no a crit :
Thank you for admitting you cannot paint like the "semians". Demonstrate at
Lascaux please.
.............
no
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDEF60B...@globetrotter.net>...
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>>
>> So what do you define as "using his brain?"
>>
>> Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
>> they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
>> going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
>> animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
>> "dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
>>
>> You are simply referring to the beginning of the
>> agrarian age and of division of labor and written
>> language, which are all social developments,
>> that used the brains that man already had.
>> Before written language there was verbal
>> only language. Before that probably hand
>> signals and whistles, etc. They still were
>> communicating and using their brains
>> to conceptualize.
>
>Yep. But only when they learned the diffference between good and evil
>did they stop being mere creature in the creation and started history as
>we know it.
No. That is opposite, according to Genesis. Humans were pure until they were
kicked out of Eden when they learned evil.
Then they learned to kill on a massive scale. That is Good?
.......................
>Animals have no such concept even if they know what's bad
>and what's good. Anyway, I expect you will argue like nono. I'm affraid
>especially in your case, that given your track record, this is more of
>the realm of people who belong here.
>
>J.
>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:58:26 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >no a crit :
no
Intelligence and speaking were around for tens of thousands of years prior
to 4,000 BC.
...........
Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDF92EE...@globetrotter.net>...
>Nah.
>
>J.
>
>agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>>
>> People had concepts of "cause" and "effect" for eons
>> before a Priest Class emerged to make the rules and
>> shove those rules down people's throats. This wasn't
>> enlightenment, it was tyranny.
>>
>> These same Priest Classes committed ritualistic murder as
>> the Azecs and others. Priest Classes made other slaves
>> and put them to the sword for "disobeying" GOD's
>> law.
>>
>> What you call "enlightenment" was simply
>> the end of the long age of innocence and
>> freedom, followed by the darkness of mass
>> murder, sanctioned slavery, class systems
>> with the ruling class creating the rules and
>> brutalizing the others.
>>
>> That was "enlightenment", it was the beginning
>> of man's enslavement to dogma and ideology.
>> And those led to hundreds of millions of violent
>> deaths over the past 6,000 years.
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:32:30 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
>> >>
>> >> So what do you define as "using his brain?"
>> >>
>> >> Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
>> >> they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
>> >> going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
>> >> animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
>> >> "dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
>> >>
>> >> You are simply referring to the beginning of the
>> >> agrarian age and of division of labor and written
>> >> language, which are all social developments,
>> >> that used the brains that man already had.
>> >> Before written language there was verbal
>> >> only language. Before that probably hand
>> >> signals and whistles, etc. They still were
>> >> communicating and using their brains
>> >> to conceptualize.
>> >
>> >Yep. But only when they learned the diffference between good and evil
>> >did they stop being mere creature in the creation and started history as
>> >we know it. Animals have no such concept even if they know what's bad
>> >and what's good to them, they have no moral value. Anyway, I expect you
>> >will argue like nono. I'm affraid especially in your case, that given
>> >your track record, this is more of the realm of people who belong here.
>> >
>> >J.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:58:26 GMT, Jean Guernon
>> >> <jgue...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >no a crit :
agent...@torontonet.ca
>He's right. War on a mass scale became possible when cities were built.
>Intelligence and speaking were around for tens of thousands of years prior
>to 4,000 BC.
Jacques doesn't understand the relationship between
cultural/social/economic evolution and species evolution.
He doesn't seem to get it. When humans cut down the trees, ran out of
the "low hanging fruit", killed off all the easy game and overfished
the lakes and streams, they had to turn over time to more and more
agriculture and animal husbandry to get enough to eat.
This created a division of labor as the population of the world
grew, but since some had more than others, there needed to
be other peope who were full time judges, soldiers, priests to
set the laws down and enforce them, so that other people in
other empires/civilizations wouldn't take the surpluses
away. People themselves, knowing the nature of humans being
what it is, needed full time "policing", because not everyone wanted
to live as a simple, hardworking farmer. Someone had to take
farmer surpluses away (taxation) to feed the armies and bureaucrats.
Before this 6,000 year 'evolution', humans were limited to small
village settlements, usually related to each other by blood, and
lived more or less in harmony with nature. Any man had a possibility
to be the tribal leader if he was brave and strong, there were no
kings or emperors. Most elders were council to the tribal leader
and helped make decisions. They didn't need a written language
to do so.
null
> Someone had to take
> farmer surpluses away (taxation) to feed the armies and bureaucrats.
That about sums it up.
Carol
> >> >> >The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
> >> >> >only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
> >> >> >and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
> >> >> >the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
> >> >> >those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
> >> >> >Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
> >> >> >An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
> >> >> >desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
Interesting opinon, but whoever did mention this I would like a better
understanding on the facts that they based their opinion on. I would like them
to explain why in the DNA community, it is known that Arab and Israeli DNA have
the closet match amongst all cultures, and why also that DNA markers can trace
back to Persian DNA to that of Yugoslavians (or rather, more technically
correct at this time, to any of the former republics of Yugoslavia).
Is an Arab an Arab by language alone -- or is an Arab an Arab by DNA -- in
which Israelis would also be Arabs by fact of DNA?
Aparently, the better explanation is the case that the Arabs throughout the
centuries had migrated into Europe. That would make the case as the migration
continued northward, that the dilution of Arabic DNA occurring through marriage
with the indigenous people resulted in a dilution of the Semitic DNA. And
hence, why eventually Poles and Russians were only 10% of Semite as Arabs.
And another question for the original author to answer, is that if you identify
the Arab people as the original Semitic people, how come when someone speaks
against Jewish people, their remarks are categorized as anti-Semitic?
null
> He doesn't seem to get it. When humans cut down the trees, ran out of
> the "low hanging fruit", killed off all the easy game and overfished the
> lakes and streams, they had to turn over time to more and more
> agriculture and animal husbandry to get enough to eat.
Uh,... Does your theory apply to Eskimos?
no
Carol wrote in message <3DE037AC...@verizon.net>...
>I have no idea who first wrote this (too many quotes to track):
>
>> >> >> >The Jews are 90% Pole, Russian, misc. Eastern European and
>> >> >> >only a small part Semite, which is why so many have blue eyes
>> >> >> >and blond hair and ruddy complexions, and spoke Yiddish for
>> >> >> >the most part until making Hebrew the 'official' language when
>> >> >> >those Europeans came in and stole Palestine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The Arabs have had many names over the millenia, but are the
>> >> >> >Semitic people who eventually developed the Arabic language.
>> >> >> >An Arab is by definition someone who speaks Arabic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >They are the same people who built the pyramids, and are not
>> >> >> >desended from the Jew race, who are Europeans.
>
>Interesting opinon, but whoever did mention this I would like a better
>understanding on the facts that they based their opinion on. I would like
them
>to explain why in the DNA community, it is known that Arab and Israeli DNA
have
>the closet match amongst all cultures, and why also that DNA markers can
trace
>back to Persian DNA to that of Yugoslavians (or rather, more technically
>correct at this time, to any of the former republics of Yugoslavia).
I didn't write the above paragraph. But the topic is complicated. There were
studies based on the Y-chromosome. But the conclusions were far from being
definite. The latest is that several years more research must be conducted
to make a sure determination. When studying the maternal X-chromosome
similarities with local non-Jewish populations could be found. Here's a link
that is quite recent. Note also that genetic science has advanced
tremendously in the past two years since the Y-chromosome examinations.
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
[extract, introduction]
Russian Jewish Genetics
A collection of abstracts and reviews of books, articles, and genetic
studies
Last Update: October 22, 2002
This page is the most comprehensive summary of Jewish genetic data. In
recent years, advances in genetic technology and the broadening in scope of
genetic studies to encompass more ethnic groups have allowed scientists to
come to more accurate conclusions. Nevertheless, not all questions have been
answered fully, and followup studies are necessary. At the present time, it
is known that Eastern European Jews have a significant Eastern Mediterranean
element which manifests itself in a close relationship with Kurdish,
Armenian, Palestinian Arab, Lebanese, Syrian, and Anatolian Turkish peoples.
At the same time, there are traces of European (including Western Slavic)
and Khazar ancestry among European Jews. Ethiopian Jews mostly descend from
Ethiopian Africans who converted to Judaism, but may also be related to a
lesser extent to Yemenite Jews. Yemenite Jews descend from Arabs and
Israelites. North African Jewish and Kurdish Jewish paternal lineages come
from Israelites. Additional research is necessary, and it will certainly
take several more years to sort it all out. All existing studies fail to
compare modern Jewish populations' DNA to ancient Judean DNA and medieval
Khazarian DNA, and many of them focus on paternal ancestries rather than
maternal ancestries, so the extrapolations and assumptions made by
geneticists may not necessarily be correct. Studies that do take into
account mtDNA show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring
non-Jewish groups maternally.
[end of extract]
>Is an Arab an Arab by language alone -- or is an Arab an Arab by DNA -- in
>which Israelis would also be Arabs by fact of DNA?
By nationality and race, apparently, these days. Genetic links must be
proven.
>Aparently, the better explanation is the case that the Arabs throughout the
>centuries had migrated into Europe. That would make the case as the
migration
>continued northward, that the dilution of Arabic DNA occurring through
marriage
>with the indigenous people resulted in a dilution of the Semitic DNA. And
>hence, why eventually Poles and Russians were only 10% of Semite as Arabs.
Strange. There are more complications involved.
>And another question for the original author to answer, is that if you
identify
>the Arab people as the original Semitic people, how come when someone
speaks
>against Jewish people, their remarks are categorized as anti-Semitic?
Jews and Arabs are Semites. The dictionary identifies 'anti-Semitic' as a
defaming of Jews because of its prevalence in many societies, particularly
Western.
Jean Guernon
No use arguing with an alcoholic bordering on psychotic any longer.
J.
no a écrit :
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
>
> Jean Guernon wrote in message <3DDEF60B...@globetrotter.net>...
> >
> >agent...@torontonet.ca a crit :
> >>
> >> So what do you define as "using his brain?"
> >>
> >> Humans have always used their brain. If they hadn't,
> >> they'd be extinct by now, because they had little else
> >> going for them against the fanged, clawed and venomed
> >> animals that outnumbered them until your so-called
> >> "dawn of man" that you pin at 6,000 years ago.
> >>
> >> You are simply referring to the beginning of the
> >> agrarian age and of division of labor and written
> >> language, which are all social developments,
> >> that used the brains that man already had.
> >> Before written language there was verbal
> >> only language. Before that probably hand
> >> signals and whistles, etc. They still were
> >> communicating and using their brains
> >> to conceptualize.
> >
> >Yep. But only when they learned the diffference between good and evil
> >did they stop being mere creature in the creation and started history as
> >we know it.
>
> No. That is opposite, according to Genesis. Humans were pure until they were
> kicked out of Eden when they learned evil.
> Then they learned to kill on a massive scale. That is Good?
>
> .......................
>
Bah, I won't judge history.
I just note that you do agree with that part of it.
Jean Guernon
no a écrit :
>
> He's right. War on a mass scale became possible when cities were built.
> Intelligence and speaking were around for tens of thousands of years prior
> to 4,000 BC.
LOL
And you know that from?
J.