Newly discovered prophecy for 2001 ;)
Peter Lemesurier
unexpected) success of the prophecy that so mysteriously found its
psychic way on to my computer on this very day last year (what is it,
I wonder, that so attracts Nostradamus about 30th November?) --
namely:
XIII.56 En l'an deux mille, au changement de l'ere,
Jeune buysson sera ou non eleu:
Coups murtriers, un tremblement de terre;
En boeuf tout astre, au ciel feu sera veu.
Or in a freeish English version:
With year 2000's change of era
Young Bush shall be elected, or p'raps not:
Murderous blows, an earthquake full of terror,
All stars in Taurus, fire in t' sky they'll spot.
-- a new prophecy has equally mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether:
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
Ian Gurney, perhaps?
--
Peter
Matthew
The past 2 days I have found a soul searching for the meaning of the X-72
quatrain or so I thought until I saw this posting.
Somone is channelling Nosty, I might suggest it might even be delores, but I
may be wrong, as other psychics could be tapping into the gifts of
channelling looking for the answers.
I was doing an astrology chart for a fellow co-worker when this came about
and I started to "see" this chanelling, they were using a collective
consciousness, and I dont know if they are aware of the people in this
group,APN, might be doing the same, I am sure there are several people who
meditate on the quatrains.
anyway, what I got was lee-anne, I thought I was getting a name, then I
started to get the other words, l'an mil nuef, so whoever it is, might be
trying to channel the prophecy, and I assume they are working on X-72.
so I was working on this astrology chart for 1971, and his sun and saturn
were in the same house, 4° off from a perfect alignment, and I
thought,michael is working on x-72, maybe it is him, but lordmichael doesn't
claim to have knowledge of "new" prophecies as spoken of here, that I know
of.
so I started to listen for Nosty, like delores does, a mountain of french
came down on my head, I have no Idea what it meant.
So, I just tried "L'an", and I heard l'an(short pause) mil (short pause)
nuef. thats about all I can say about that.
I don't know if that will help, I don't know if those new prophecies have
anything to do with x-72.
maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
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Before you buy.
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
Ah, that must be it, then! ;)
>
>maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
Er -- I'm rather hoping other people here will do that! ;)
--
Peter
Matthew
> >
> >maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
>
> Er -- I'm rather hoping other people here will do that! ;)
> --
>
But you are the expert, you are more qualified than most to translate that
quatrain, if you want a channelling done I can do that, if you want
Nostradamus style poetry translated, ask none other than Peter Lemesurier,
easily found in APN forum, he is always ready to help with Nosradamus.
>
> Peter
>
The noisy intereference, seems to have abruptly ended during my channellings
of Nost. after I posted this last night, I don't hear anything else, but
L'an, Nost. might have used L'an as a word to meditate with or may have left
some kind of impression on time to channel with, so he could get impresions
from the future "without thinking about it", it is a tecnique used and
described in several clairvoyance books I have read.
>
It does make some sense, if you wanted to know a name you ask "name", if you
wanted to know the year, you would say "year", or meditate on those words to
gain insight during scrying or channelling.
>
Sorry pete, the best I can do for traslating is alta vista, if I work on it a
while, and use the thesaurus, and find etymology in the older dictionaries, I
might be able to make sense out of this.
>
XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
sky aultres planets.
>
If I find out what this quatrain is translated to, like you are trying to do,
I will try to channel the events for you.
>
it piqued my interest.
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>>
>Have you ever heard of cyberangels?
Nope. I've seen plenty of cyberdemons, though. ;)
>> >
>> >maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
>>
>> Er -- I'm rather hoping other people here will do that! ;)
>> --
>>
>
>But you are the expert, you are more qualified than most to translate that
>quatrain, if you want a channelling done I can do that, if you want
>Nostradamus style poetry translated, ask none other than Peter Lemesurier,
>easily found in APN forum, he is always ready to help with Nosradamus.
Ah -- I'll ask him, then...
Mind you, the late Erika Diddlem seems to be asking to be channelled
at the moment... it mght be best to see what she has to say... ;)
>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
>The noisy intereference, seems to have abruptly ended during my channellings
>of Nost. after I posted this last night, I don't hear anything else, but
>L'an, Nost. might have used L'an as a word to meditate with or may have left
>some kind of impression on time to channel with, so he could get impresions
>from the future "without thinking about it", it is a tecnique used and
>described in several clairvoyance books I have read.
>
>>
>
>It does make some sense, if you wanted to know a name you ask "name", if you
>wanted to know the year, you would say "year", or meditate on those words to
>gain insight during scrying or channelling.
>
>>
>
>Sorry pete, the best I can do for traslating is alta vista, if I work on it a
>while, and use the thesaurus, and find etymology in the older dictionaries, I
>might be able to make sense out of this.
>
>>
>
>XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
>cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
>sky aultres planets.
Looks as if Altavista doesn't know 16th century French, then...
>
>>
>
>If I find out what this quatrain is translated to, like you are trying to do,
>I will try to channel the events for you.
>
>>
>it piqued my interest.
Sure.
BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
;)
--
Peter
iang...@my-deja.com
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
>
> Ian Gurney, perhaps?
> --
>
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
In 2001 the crescent rumbles
The Emir dies, bitten, and runs the comets:
Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth trembles
Frozen, heat, in the sky other planets.
Interesting one this, despite my scepticism about the presages. I doubt
my
translation is anywhere near correct and of course it doesn't rhyme.
My only comments are these :- Islam has been "rumbling" all this year
and will
continue, particularly in Palestine, throughout next year, this is
nothing new.
The Emir (I agree about it's lack of use elsewhere in N's work...why?)
who
dies could be one of a dozen....Saudi..Kuwait...UAE. conditions around
the
world seem to be described in line 3....huge floods, famine and drought,
fighting and wars amongst declarations of peace...earthquakes....this
happens
all the time, nothing new there then? As with line 4 ....massive cold
spells in
some places, extreme heat in other places....this is happening now with
global
warming... other planets in the sky.....has Nostradamus seen MIR and the
International Space Station....this can be seen from earth starting
next week
after the shuttle has attached the space stations solar panels this
week-end.
Further than that I can only say that my personal view of the Presages
is one
of scepticism. The answer to all this could, of course, be that out
there in
cyber land someone is a reasonable impersonator of Nostradamus and is
winding everyone up with false presages.....remember the line in Mark 13
about "false prophets?"
Ian www.caspro.com
Peter Lemesurier
>In article <ntgc2ts8vvtnif5cf...@4ax.com>,
> Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
>>
>> Ian Gurney, perhaps?
>> --
>>
>Well here goes nothing Peter,
>XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
>Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
>Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
>Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>
>In 2001 the crescent rumbles
>The Emir dies, bitten, and runs the comets:
>Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth trembles
>Frozen, heat, in the sky other planets.
Yes, that's not bad for an extremely literal version -- though you
omitted 'Selyn' in line 1, while 'mors' in line 2, while it *can* mean
'[I/you] bite' (not 'bitten'), is in fact Nostradamus's fairly normal
16th century spelling of the word that we would nowadays write as
'morts' ('dead people', 'fatalities'].
>
>Interesting one this, despite my scepticism about the presages. I doubt
>my
>translation is anywhere near correct and of course it doesn't rhyme.
Well, as I say, it's not far off.
>My only comments are these :- Islam has been "rumbling" all this year
>and will
>continue, particularly in Palestine, throughout next year, this is
>nothing new.
Good lord, so it isn't! ;)
>The Emir (I agree about it's lack of use elsewhere in N's work...why?)
>who
>dies could be one of a dozen....Saudi..Kuwait...UAE.
Yes, interesting one, that. I see that it first appeared in French in
the 13th century, but was rare until the 16th...
>conditions around
>the
>world seem to be described in line 3....huge floods, famine and drought,
>fighting and wars amongst declarations of peace...earthquakes....this
>happens
>all the time, nothing new there then?
Gadzooks! How astute of you!
> As with line 4 ....massive cold
>spells in
>some places, extreme heat in other places....this is happening now with
>global
>warming...
Right again!
> other planets in the sky.....has Nostradamus seen MIR and the
>International Space Station....this can be seen from earth starting
>next week
>after the shuttle has attached the space stations solar panels this
>week-end.
Ah -- now that's a thought. Hang on... 'Mir' ... 'Emir' ... might you
just possibly be on to something, I wonder? ;)
>Further than that I can only say that my personal view of the Presages
>is one
>of scepticism.
Well, he did write them! I mean they're all taken straight from his
published Almanachs -- apart from one that Chavigny wrote himself (No.
2) and another that he evidently re-wrote to make it fit (what we know
as No.141). On the other hand, they were all for dated months and
years during his own lifetime and the year following -- which is what
makes them such a valuable tool for assessing his accuracy.
> The answer to all this could, of course, be that out
>there in
>cyber land someone is a reasonable impersonator of Nostradamus and is
>winding everyone up with false presages....
Really? I wonder who that could be, then? ;)
>.remember the line in Mark 13
>about "false prophets?"
Good lord, another bull's-eye, then?!
Hang on a mo' ... I'm just getting a psychic message that the late
Erica Diddlem is waiting to channel her own translation and
interpretation via my screen...
Now this should be interesting! ... ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth to tremble,
Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible -- perhaps IT is out
of date, too? Or could this mean that they are going to put all that
blood and bone meal that is causing mad cow disease into the flour
instead?
I have no idea which Emir Nostradamus is talking about, but as it
doesn't seem to mean the Kennedy brothers, I rather suspect that this
is a failed quatrain. As for the rest of line 2, I have heard of dead
people running governments (for some reason the names 'Coolidge' and
'Reagan' spring to mind), but I haven't heard that they are about to
run the chain of Comet electrical stores as well.
The rest of the verse seems rather contradictory, but I suppose the
earth trembling IS a bit like a jelly -- except that, when *I* make a
jelly and it's still hot, it doesn't tremble: it just runs. And of
course there are different planets in the sky all the time.
So perhaps Nostradamus wasn't such a good cook -- or astrologer -- as
he thought he was?
Whoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
--
Erica Diddlem
iang...@my-deja.com
coincidence. NASA said "Next week we will have a new star in the sky"
referring to the Internationa Space Station.
Ian.
Mark
news:ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com...
>
> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
> the Nostradamian ether.
>
> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>
> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
In the year 2000, half moon, half Port (Quatrain 2.1) will become like
thunder,
Mir to die, a bit, and run like other comets
Wetness, dryness, Peace, and war, the ground will tremble
When the heat of atmospheric friction turns it into jelly... something,
something, something, something.
Well, Peter... now you know why I admitted defeat many decades ago... this
is obviously some kind of anagram... :(
Matthew
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 22:41:59 GMT, Matthew <matth...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >Have you ever heard of cyberangels?
>
> Nope. I've seen plenty of cyberdemons, though. ;)
>
There are more than enough of those ready and willing to give their service,
at a price...
> >> >
I'm a free service, new at channellng, ten years, but willing to help.
>
> >> >maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
> >>
> >> Er -- I'm rather hoping other people here will do that! ;)
> >> --
> >>
> >
> >But you are the expert, you are more qualified than most to translate that
> >quatrain, if you want a channelling done I can do that, if you want
> >Nostradamus style poetry translated, ask none other than Peter Lemesurier,
> >easily found in APN forum, he is always ready to help with Nosradamus.
>
> Ah -- I'll ask him, then...
>
I'm sure you can translate it Peter.
>
> Mind you, the late Erika Diddlem seems to be asking to be channelled
> at the moment... it mght be best to see what she has to say... ;)
>
LATE? I didn't know she passed away, and I'm not familiar with her work, can
you give me a reference? is it in the faq?
> >
I might be able to channel her, but she might not be ready to give assistance.
> >>
Are you sure its ericka?
>
>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >
> >XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
> >cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
> >sky aultres planets.
>
> Looks as if Altavista doesn't know 16th century French, then...
>
true, uhm, maybe the artful project?
> >
but I still won't get the words in context, I would have to have a french
translator look at it. Maybe my mother will try it? she has four years of
french from college, and a bachelors degree in english.
> >>
> >
> >If I find out what this quatrain is translated to, like you are trying to do,
> >I will try to channel the events for you.
> >
> >>
> >it piqued my interest.
>
> Sure.
>
> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
> ;)
> --
>
> Peter
>
well yeah I did, why?
Matthew
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
> <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> the Nostradamian ether.
>
> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>
> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>
> often uses...
>
> I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
>
> -------------------------
>
> Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
>
> As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
> Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
> Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
>
> In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
> An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
> Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth to tremble,
> Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
>
XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
sky aultres planets.
>
Not a bread roll, a croissant(crescent roll), its eros, the near earth
asteroid.
>
Maybe the crescent roll vision came when he saw mir falling to earth?
>
E-mir, he saw it through someones eyes on the internet.
>
Dead people is the cults, like heavens gate, killing themselves thinking a
comet would take them to heaven.
>
water and dryness, is the droughts and floods, in the region of none other
than isreal I am sure, trembling earthquakes perhaps to come there?
>
jelly has got to be something like a nebula, it is red, there are other
planets, we are looking for other planets now, in other star systems.
>
There is supposed to be a special team looking for earth sized planets, maybe
one in a red colored nebula?
>
> Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
> bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible
>
EROS, not crescent
>
-- perhaps IT is out
> of date, too? Or could this mean that they are going to put all that
> blood and bone meal that is causing mad cow disease into the flour
> instead?
>
> I have no idea which Emir Nostradamus is talking about, but as it
> doesn't seem to mean the Kennedy brothers, I rather suspect that this
> is a failed quatrain. As for the rest of line 2, I have heard of dead
> people running governments (for some reason the names 'Coolidge' and
> 'Reagan' spring to mind), but I haven't heard that they are about to
> run the chain of Comet electrical stores as well.
>
> The rest of the verse seems rather contradictory, but I suppose the
> earth trembling IS a bit like a jelly -- except that, when *I* make a
> jelly and it's still hot, it doesn't tremble: it just runs. And of
> course there are different planets in the sky all the time.
>
> So perhaps Nostradamus wasn't such a good cook -- or astrologer -- as
> he thought he was?
>
> Whoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
> --
>
> Erica Diddlem
>
Mark
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com...
>
> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
> the Nostradamian ether.
>
> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>
> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
Line 1: Grind some grain with a spoon?
Line 2: Politician to die, on an island off Denmark, & you commit to
run:
Sounds like the beginnings of a recipe...
Or is Nosty trying to convince you to run for a recently vacated political
office in Denmark? ;)
(Selyn is Greek for Moon?)
(Why is it capitalized?)
(Emir is Aramic for Prince?)
(Comètes=comet)
(cometes= is Spanish for 'you commit')
(mors is latin for 'death')
(mors is french for bit)
(mors is also an island off Denmark)
(l'eau is water in French)
(gelees = frost, not Gellée )
Jobard
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:39:13 GMT, iang...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>In article <ntgc2ts8vvtnif5cf...@4ax.com>,
>> Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
>>>
>>> Ian Gurney, perhaps?
>>> --
>>>
>>Well here goes nothing Peter,
>>XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
>>Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
>>Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
>>Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>>
>>In 2001 the crescent rumbles
>>The Emir dies, bitten, and runs the comets:
>>Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth trembles
>>Frozen, heat, in the sky other planets.
>
>Yes, that's not bad for an extremely literal version -- though you
>omitted 'Selyn' in line 1, while 'mors' in line 2, while it *can* mean
>'[I/you] bite' (not 'bitten'), is in fact Nostradamus's fairly normal
>16th century spelling of the word that we would nowadays write as
>'morts' ('dead people', 'fatalities'].
>
Is the above quatrain maybe from the same source as this recently
discovered correspondence between Nostradamus and Dr. Devin
Insouciant.
As most 'official' texts in those days, it starts with a Latin
introduction. Immediately followed by the quatrain
Quale est tuum zodiacum? Vis mecum hoc vespere exire,
Velim hoc experiri. Quanti stat scheda ingressus,
possum amicum mecum portare. Egemus instrumentis.
Indue tunicam ad protectionem!
Gaudium est tecum res agere.
Nostradamus
En cinq cens tournera en tombe.
Parcq deviendront éscritz à l'envers:
Brutes, flamme bruict & plomb des travaux
Termines avec quelque chose qui rimes.
It mentions 500 years. When counting from 1504, this could mean it's
written for the year 2004.
Jobard
>>
>>Interesting one this, despite my scepticism about the presages. I doubt
>>my
>>translation is anywhere near correct and of course it doesn't rhyme.
>
<snip>
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>I'm sure you can translate it Peter.
Well, I *should* be able to, considering... ! ;)
>>
>> Mind you, the late Erika Diddlem seems to be asking to be channelled
>> at the moment... it mght be best to see what she has to say... ;)
>>
>
>LATE? I didn't know she passed away, and I'm not familiar with her work, can
>you give me a reference? is it in the faq?
NOTE: These are not the main FAQs re Nostradamus: see elsewhere in
article-list.
FAQS RE BOOKS BY ERIKA CHEETHAM
1. 'THE PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Corgi [ISBN 0 552 09828
0]/Perigree [ISBN ? 339 10995 1], 1973; Berkley, 1981)
'Classic' reprint of the 1568 edition of the regular Centuries, with
potted and very unreliable biography, literal translations (Erika
apparently specialised in Provencal, not French), often erroneous
etymological notes and commentary. In its day, probably did more to
bring Nostradamus back into public consciousness than any other book.
2. 'THE FURTHER PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Corgi [ISBN 0 552 12299
8]/Perigree, 1985-91)
A thematic survey (with potted biography) covering selected
Nostradamus prophecies and comparing them with those of other
prophets, with special reference to modern times.
3. 'THE FINAL PROPHECIES OF NOSTRADAMUS' (Futura [ISBN 0 7088 4333
6]/Perigree, 1989)
The same prophecies as in 1. above, but this time in an exact
transcription of the 1568 edition (extremely valuable), with expanded
biographical information and commentaries.
>
>> >
>I might be able to channel her, but she might not be ready to give assistance.
>> >>
>Are you sure its ericka?
No, it's Erica.
>>
>>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
>> >cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
>> >sky aultres planets.
>>
>> Looks as if Altavista doesn't know 16th century French, then...
>>
>true, uhm, maybe the artful project?
>> >
>
>but I still won't get the words in context, I would have to have a french
>translator look at it. Maybe my mother will try it? she has four years of
>french from college, and a bachelors degree in english.
I wouldn't waste her time...
>
>> >>
>> >
>> >If I find out what this quatrain is translated to, like you are trying to do,
>> >I will try to channel the events for you.
>> >
>> >>
>> >it piqued my interest.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
>> ;)
>> --
>>
>> Peter
>>
>well yeah I did, why?
Well, it normally means 'This is a joke'...
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com...
>>
>> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
>> the Nostradamian ether.
>>
>> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>>
>> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
>> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
>> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
>> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>
>In the year 2000, half moon, half Port (Quatrain 2.1) will become like
>thunder,
>Mir to die, a bit, and run like other comets
>Wetness, dryness, Peace, and war, the ground will tremble
>When the heat of atmospheric friction turns it into jelly... something,
>something, something, something.
>
>Well, Peter... now you know why I admitted defeat many decades ago... this
>is obviously some kind of anagram... :(
>
...unless, of course, as you half-suggest, Nostradamus was on the Port
at the time. Didn't know they had it up there, though. Thought it was
ambrosia or something something something... ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
>The Emir and MIR spacecraft is interesting ....maybr just a
>coincidence. NASA said "Next week we will have a new star in the sky"
>referring to the Internationa Space Station.
>Ian.
Ah -- now I wonder how the seer could possibly have known that?! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>In article <ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com>,
> Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
>> <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
>> the Nostradamian ether.
>>
>> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>>
>> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
>> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
>> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
>> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>>
>> I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
>> often uses...
>>
>> I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
>>
>> As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
>> Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
>> Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
>>
>> In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
>> An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
>> Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth to tremble,
>> Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
>>
>
>XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
>cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
>sky aultres planets.
>
>>
>
>Not a bread roll, a croissant(crescent roll), its eros, the near earth
>asteroid.
>
>>
>Maybe the crescent roll vision came when he saw mir falling to earth?
>>
>E-mir, he saw it through someones eyes on the internet.
>>
>
>Dead people is the cults, like heavens gate, killing themselves thinking a
>comet would take them to heaven.
>
>>
>
>water and dryness, is the droughts and floods, in the region of none other
>than isreal I am sure, trembling earthquakes perhaps to come there?
>
>>
>
>jelly has got to be something like a nebula, it is red, there are other
>planets, we are looking for other planets now, in other star systems.
>
>>
>
>There is supposed to be a special team looking for earth sized planets, maybe
>one in a red colored nebula?
>
>>
>> Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
>> bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible
>>
>EROS, not crescent
Ye gods -- I'm sure we'll get there in the end, then! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Dang it, Peter... I'm starting to get hooked... :)
>
>Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com...
>>
>> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
>> the Nostradamian ether.
>>
>> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
>>
>> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
>> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
>> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
>> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
>
>Line 1: Grind some grain with a spoon?
>
>Line 2: Politician to die, on an island off Denmark, & you commit to
>run:
>
>Sounds like the beginnings of a recipe...
>Or is Nosty trying to convince you to run for a recently vacated political
>office in Denmark? ;)
>
> (Selyn is Greek for Moon?)
> (Why is it capitalized?)
> (Emir is Aramic for Prince?)
> (Comètes=comet)
> (cometes= is Spanish for 'you commit')
> (mors is latin for 'death')
> (mors is french for bit)
> (mors is also an island off Denmark)
> (l'eau is water in French)
> (gelees = frost, not Gellée )
>
>From:
>http://translator.go.com/
>
>XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder,
>Emir to die, bit, & to run cometes:
>Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble,
>Gellée, heat; with the sky aultres planets.
>
Oh well, obviously he's talking about making *Danish* pastry, then!!
He must have been a better cook than Erica suggests... ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
I don't know -- you tell me! ;)
>
>As most 'official' texts in those days, it starts with a Latin
>introduction. Immediately followed by the quatrain
>
>Quale est tuum zodiacum? Vis mecum hoc vespere exire,
>Velim hoc experiri. Quanti stat scheda ingressus,
>possum amicum mecum portare. Egemus instrumentis.
>Indue tunicam ad protectionem!
Quia, infante, extra hinc frigidum est?
>
>Gaudium est tecum res agere.
Yes, yes, this sort of thing was often used to impress the plebs...
>
>Nostradamus
>
>En cinq cens tournera en tombe.
>Parcq deviendront éscritz à l'envers:
>Brutes, flamme bruict & plomb des travaux
>Termines avec quelque chose qui rimes.
>
>It mentions 500 years. When counting from 1504, this could mean it's
>written for the year 2004.
I think Dr. Devin might have been just a tad too Insouciant...
I mean, the scansion's all to pot, the caesura is ignored, and (as the
verse itself seems to admit) nothing rhymes.
Obviously it's a corrupt version of an original that must have read
something more like:
En cinq cens ans il tournera en tombe,
Voyant éscritz tous tournez à l'envers:
Bruict, brutes, flamme, & des travaux le plombe,
Prophetie fausse partout dans l'univers.
(Clearly the seer made up his own re-derivation of the Latin 'plumbus'
in order to get line 3 to rhyme!)
I suggest you get back to Dr Devin and tell him to retrousser ses
chaussettes! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
the latest sequel from Henry C Robbers!...
--
Peter
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth to tremble,
Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible -- perhaps IT is out
of date, too? Or could this mean that they are going to put all that
blood and bone meal that is causing mad cow disease into the flour
instead?
I have no idea which Emir Nostradamus is talking about, but as it
doesn't seem to mean the Kennedy brothers, I rather suspect that this
is a failed quatrain. As for the rest of line 2, I have heard of dead
people running governments (for some reason the names 'Coolidge' and
'Reagan' spring to mind), but I haven't heard that they are about to
run the chain of Comet electrical stores as well.
The rest of the verse seems rather contradictory, but I suppose the
earth trembling IS a bit like a jelly -- except that, when *I* make a
jelly and it's still hot, it doesn't tremble: it just runs. And of
course there are different planets in the sky all the time.
So perhaps Nostradamus wasn't such a good cook -- or astrologer -- as
he thought he was?
Whoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
--
Erica Diddlem
------------------------------
Psychically received from the late Henry C ROBBERS:
Well, I may not be around here much any more, but at least I know that
a 'croissant' is not a bread roll so much as a rich, crescent-shaped
flakey roll. I should know. You just can't get the damn things up
here. It's just ambrosia, ambrosia, ambrosia all the time...
Anyway, here is my translation of the newly discovered verse XIII.60,
which I believe to be clean and true, and whose first two lines
clearly run on -- unless it is just the Emir mentioned who does:
In the year two thousand and one an Emir shall complain
About a salty croissant, then have the astronomical runs and
die the death.
Water, dryness, peace, war. Tremble, Earth!
Hot and shaking like a jelly, they shall go to other planets
in the sky.
Interpretation: The death of a Muslim leader from food-poisoning and
dehydration shall change peace into war while, as the earth trembles
with the roar of their rocket-engines, astronauts shall travel to
other planets.
I respect the efforts of my recently arrived, if culinarily challenged
colleague Erica, of course ... but one thing ill becomes her -- to
wit, to whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
--
Henry C Robbers
Jobard
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I don't know -- you tell me! ;)
>
As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau. The recently
discovered correspondence contains quite some quatrains which, as far
as I know, have not been published before. I could be, that the
quatrain you mentioned is from the same collection. They were part of
the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
Bouffon de Marrant (1548 - 1602).
Another interesting quatrain from this collection:
Si seulement & avance aurait sus,
Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
Jaurais mesme le centre plus,
Sur essayez de guerir victimes peste.
Could there be a relation with centurie X, quatrain 96, since they
both mention Aleph? This quatrain also seems more finished/editted
than the one I posted before.
Jobard
>>
>>As most 'official' texts in those days, it starts with a Latin
>>introduction. Immediately followed by the quatrain
>>
>>Quale est tuum zodiacum? Vis mecum hoc vespere exire,
>>Velim hoc experiri. Quanti stat scheda ingressus,
>>possum amicum mecum portare. Egemus instrumentis.
>>Indue tunicam ad protectionem!
>
>Quia, infante, extra hinc frigidum est?
>
>>
>>Gaudium est tecum res agere.
>
>Yes, yes, this sort of thing was often used to impress the plebs...
>
>>
>>Nostradamus
>>
>>En cinq cens tournera en tombe.
>>Parcq deviendront éscritz à l'envers:
>>Brutes, flamme bruict & plomb des travaux
>>Termines avec quelque chose qui rimes.
>>
>>It mentions 500 years. When counting from 1504, this could mean it's
>>written for the year 2004.
>
Peter Lemesurier
>As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
>some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau.
..where he amassed a considerable unexplained fortune, I believe.
> The recently
>discovered correspondence contains quite some quatrains which, as far
>as I know, have not been published before. I could be, that the
>quatrain you mentioned is from the same collection. They were part of
>the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
>Bouffon de Marrant (1548 - 1602).
... who I believe was descended from the well-known medieval knight
Espées de Blague.
>
>Another interesting quatrain from this collection:
>
>Si seulement & avance aurait sus,
>Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
>Jaurais mesme le centre plus,
>Sur essayez de guerir victimes peste.
>
>Could there be a relation with centurie X, quatrain 96, since they
>both mention Aleph? This quatrain also seems more finished/editted
>than the one I posted before.
Well, it certainly rhymes.
However, that's strange -- I have a version of that one, too, this
time from the mysterious collection discovered at the Abbaye d'Orval.
Mine runs:
Si seulement en avance j'avais su,
Qu'Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
J'aurais les gens bien davantage plu
En me taisant & guerrisant la peste.
It must be the same one -- though even this version manages to violate
the caesura that should come after the fourth syllable of line 2.
I wonder which was the original? Does anyone know of the whereabouts
of the manuscript? Perhaps X.96 offers a clue?
--
Peter
Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >> >> Peter
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
> >> >cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
> >> >sky aultres planets.
> >>
> >> Looks as if Altavista doesn't know 16th century French, then...
> >>
> >true, uhm, maybe the artful project?
> >> >
> >
> >but I still won't get the words in context, I would have to have a french
> >translator look at it. Maybe my mother will try it? she has four years of
> >french from college, and a bachelors degree in english.
>
> I wouldn't waste her time...
>
you certainly wouldn't want a scholarly opinion now would you.
> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >If I find out what this quatrain is translated to, like you are trying to do,
> >> >I will try to channel the events for you.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >it piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> Sure.
> >>
> >> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
> >> ;)
> >> --
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >well yeah I did, why?
>
> Well, it normally means 'This is a joke'...
> --
>
> Peter
>
>
Yeah, and last time you posted one of delores canons jokes, she published a
book.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jobard
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:23:47 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
>>some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau.
>
>..where he amassed a considerable unexplained fortune, I believe.
I have no further information on that. I only know that he suddenly
seems to have been able to pay for a road to the remote village where
he lived, though he was not known to be wealthy. His connection to the
Marrant family; especially Bouffon, the famous painter, must be sought
in his interest for Renaissance art. Bouffon's paintings are mostly
know for their depiction of mythological themes.
>> The recently
>>discovered correspondence contains some quatrains which, as far
>>as I know, have not been published before. It could be, that the
>>quatrain you mentioned is from this same collection. They were part of
>>the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
>>Bouffon de Marrant (1548-1602).
>
>... who I believe was descended from the well-known medieval knight
>Espées de Blague.
Who, in turn, was descended from Crédule and Benêt Masse (1529-
1573), the eldest daughter of Hercule de Blague. I begin to see a
remarkable link here! Could it be, that this Hercule de Blague is the
infamous Chyren?
>>Another interesting quatrain from this collection:
>>
>>Si seulement & avance aurait sus,
>>Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
>>Jaurais mesme le centre plus,
>>Sur essayez de guerir victimes peste.
>>
>>Could there be a relation with centurie X, quatrain 96, since they
>>both mention Aleph? This quatrain also seems more finished/editted
>>than the one I posted before.
>
>Well, it certainly rhymes.
>
>However, that's strange -- I have a version of that one, too, this
>time from the mysterious collection discovered at the Abbaye d'Orval.
>Mine runs:
>
> Si seulement en avance j'avais su,
> Qu'Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
> J'aurais les gens bien davantage plu
> En me taisant & guerrisant la peste.
>
>It must be the same one -- though even this version manages to violate
>the caesura that should come after the fourth syllable of line 2.
>
>I wonder which was the original? Does anyone know of the whereabouts
>of the manuscript? Perhaps X.96 offers a clue?
This can not be coincidence. There are some small differences,
but this might be attributed to the fact that they were not
meant for publication.
Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
quatrain is mentioned too?
Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
This really is exciting... Moreover, it seems to be about
current events!
Jobard
Jobard
>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:27:17 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
><lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:23:47 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
>>>some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau.
>>
>>..where he amassed a considerable unexplained fortune, I believe.
>
>I have no further information on that. I only know that he suddenly
>seems to have been able to pay for a road to the remote village where
>he lived, though he was not known to be wealthy. His connection to the
>Marrant family; especially Bouffon, the famous painter, must be sought
>in his interest for Renaissance art. Bouffon's paintings are mostly
>know for their depiction of mythological themes.
>
>>> The recently
>>>discovered correspondence contains some quatrains which, as far
>>>as I know, have not been published before. It could be, that the
>>>quatrain you mentioned is from this same collection. They were part of
>>>the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
>>>Bouffon de Marrant (1548-1602).
>>
>>... who I believe was descended from the well-known medieval knight
>>Espées de Blague.
>
>Who, in turn, was descended from Crédule and Benêt Masse (1529-
>1573), the eldest daughter of Hercule de Blague. I begin to see a
>remarkable link here! Could it be, that this Hercule de Blague is the
>infamous Chyren?
[snip]
>>I wonder which was the original? Does anyone know of the whereabouts
>>of the manuscript? Perhaps X.96 offers a clue?
>
>This can not be coincidence. There are some small differences,
>but this might be attributed to the fact that they were not
>meant for publication.
>
>Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
>quatrain is mentioned too?
>
> Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
> Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
> Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
> Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
I've been working on this quatrain, and have come
to the conclusion that line 3 is pointing to the word
logoS. Do you have any idea why he would have
written it with a capital 'S' at the end. It seems that
he is pointing in the direction of a word-play with
the Greek term 'logos'. It could be that the word
should be written as llogoS, but the printing is
difficult to read.
PS. I'm busy looking into the family history of
Crédule and Benêt Masse and Hercule de Blague.
Maybe this will lead us more insight about these
mysterious quatrains.
Jobard.
Gary Somai
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 21:41:29 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
>>quatrain is mentioned too?
>>
>> Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
>> Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
>> Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
>> Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
>
>I've been working on this quatrain, and have come
>to the conclusion that line 3 is pointing to the word
>logoS. Do you have any idea why he would have
>written it with a capital 'S' at the end. It seems that
>he is pointing in the direction of a word-play with
>the Greek term 'logos'. It could be that the word
>should be written as llogoS, but the printing is
>difficult to read.
>
LOL.!!
Which nut-head i wonder might this be refering to!
Gary S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:58:53 GMT, Matthew <matth...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <ftci2to190uv9ijhi...@4ax.com>,
> >> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
> >> <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
> >> the Nostradamian ether.
> >>
> >> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
> >>
> >> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> >> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> >> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
> >>
> >> often uses...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
> >>
> >> As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
> >> Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
> >> Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
> >>
> >> In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
> >> An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
> >> Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
> >>
> >
> >XIII.60 In two millet a Selyn crescent to thunder, Emir to die, bit, & to run
> >cometes: Eaue, dryness, peace, war, ground to tremble, Gellée, heat; with the
> >sky aultres planets.
> >
> >>
> >
> >asteroid.
> >
> >>
> >Maybe the crescent roll vision came when he saw mir falling to earth?
> >>
> >E-mir, he saw it through someones eyes on the internet.
> >>
> >
> >Dead people is the cults, like heavens gate, killing themselves thinking a
> >comet would take them to heaven.
> >
> >>
> >
> >water and dryness, is the droughts and floods, in the region of none other
> >than isreal I am sure, trembling earthquakes perhaps to come there?
> >
> >>
> >
> >jelly has got to be something like a nebula, it is red, there are other
> >planets, we are looking for other planets now, in other star systems.
> >
> >>
> >
> >There is supposed to be a special team looking for earth sized planets, maybe
> >one in a red colored nebula?
> >
> >>
> >> bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible
> >>
>
> Ye gods -- I'm sure we'll get there in the end, then! ;)
> --
>
> Peter
>
We are practically there now, with the sattellite camra orbiting the near
earth asteroid EROS. the color of it is butterscotch, it looks like a bread
roll. I'll find a pic of it and post the hypertext link tomorrow.
-- "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I
cannot explain as a fraud." - C.G.Jung (Addition to a lecture given to the
Society for Psychical Research in 1919)
Matthew
sky other planets.
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >Not a bread roll, a croissant(crescent roll), its eros, the near earth
> > >asteroid.
> > >
> > >>
> > >Maybe the crescent roll vision came when he saw mir falling to earth?
> > >>
> > >E-mir, he saw it through someones eyes on the internet.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Dead people is the cults, like heavens gate, killing themselves thinking a
> > >comet would take them to heaven.
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >water and dryness, is the droughts and floods, in the region of none other
> > >than isreal I am sure, trembling earthquakes perhaps to come there?
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >jelly has got to be something like a nebula, it is red, there are other
> > >planets, we are looking for other planets now, in other star systems.
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >There is supposed to be a special team looking for earth sized planets, maybe
> > >one in a red colored nebula?
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
> > >> bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible
> > >>
> > >EROS, not crescent
> >
> > Ye gods -- I'm sure we'll get there in the end, then! ;)
> > --
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> We are practically there now, with the sattellite camra orbiting the near
> earth asteroid EROS. the color of it is butterscotch, it looks like a bread
> roll. I'll find a pic of it and post the hypertext link tomorrow.
>
Found it:
>
http://near.jhuapl.edu/iod/20000228/index.html
>
I also ead an article saying that the Near had been shut down, due to
overheating! just like the quatrain.
Jobard
Made some typos, here is the correct version.
Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
Ordre changeant lettres & cette image
Révele plus grand escroquant menteur.
Jobard
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>> >but I still won't get the words in context, I would have to have a french
>> >translator look at it. Maybe my mother will try it? she has four years of
>> >french from college, and a bachelors degree in english.
>>
>> I wouldn't waste her time...
>>
>you certainly wouldn't want a scholarly opinion now would you.
Well, I'm not sure how likely it is that any scholar would know what I
meant better than myself! ;0
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:27:17 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
><lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:23:47 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
>>>some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau.
>>
>>..where he amassed a considerable unexplained fortune, I believe.
>
>I have no further information on that. I only know that he suddenly
>seems to have been able to pay for a road to the remote village where
>he lived, though he was not known to be wealthy. His connection to the
>Marrant family; especially Bouffon, the famous painter, must be sought
>in his interest for Renaissance art. Bouffon's paintings are mostly
>know for their depiction of mythological themes.
...and, of course, in his more dyslexic phase, for his particular
interest in the hair-styling of his subjects.
>
>>> The recently
>>>discovered correspondence contains some quatrains which, as far
>>>as I know, have not been published before. It could be, that the
>>>quatrain you mentioned is from this same collection. They were part of
>>>the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
>>>Bouffon de Marrant (1548-1602).
>>
>>... who I believe was descended from the well-known medieval knight
>>Espées de Blague.
>
>Who, in turn, was descended from Crédule and Benêt Masse (1529-
>1573), the eldest daughter of Hercule de Blague. I begin to see a
>remarkable link here! Could it be, that this Hercule de Blague is the
>infamous Chyren?
No, I think that was his son by the notorious Anne à Grammes.
>
>>>Another interesting quatrain from this collection:
>>>
>>>Si seulement & avance aurait sus,
>>>Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
>>>Jaurais mesme le centre plus,
>>>Sur essayez de guerir victimes peste.
>>>
>>>Could there be a relation with centurie X, quatrain 96, since they
>>>both mention Aleph? This quatrain also seems more finished/editted
>>>than the one I posted before.
>>
>>Well, it certainly rhymes.
>>
>>However, that's strange -- I have a version of that one, too, this
>>time from the mysterious collection discovered at the Abbaye d'Orval.
>>Mine runs:
>>
>> Si seulement en avance j'avais su,
>> Qu'Aleph violerait vers comme beste:
>> J'aurais les gens bien davantage plu
>> En me taisant & guerrisant la peste.
>>
>>It must be the same one -- though even this version manages to violate
>>the caesura that should come after the fourth syllable of line 2.
>>
>>I wonder which was the original? Does anyone know of the whereabouts
>>of the manuscript? Perhaps X.96 offers a clue?
>
>This can not be coincidence. There are some small differences,
>but this might be attributed to the fact that they were not
>meant for publication.
Of course.
>
>Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
>quatrain is mentioned too?
>
> Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
> Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
> Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
> Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
>
>This really is exciting... Moreover, it seems to be about
>current events!
Doesn't it just?! Actually, my copy is almost identical:
Un iour, mais tout a coup & sans présage,
Pytre se croit logoS, grand deshonneur:
Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
Perhaps it comes from the period when the infamous Pytre was less
inclined to meddle with the exact wording?
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 21:01:24 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:27:17 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
>><lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:23:47 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As might be known, the famous Dr. Devin Insouciant has lived quite
>>>>some years in the area around Rennes-le-Chateau.
>>>
>>>..where he amassed a considerable unexplained fortune, I believe.
>>
>>I have no further information on that. I only know that he suddenly
>>seems to have been able to pay for a road to the remote village where
>>he lived, though he was not known to be wealthy. His connection to the
>>Marrant family; especially Bouffon, the famous painter, must be sought
>>in his interest for Renaissance art. Bouffon's paintings are mostly
>>know for their depiction of mythological themes.
>>
>>>> The recently
>>>>discovered correspondence contains some quatrains which, as far
>>>>as I know, have not been published before. It could be, that the
>>>>quatrain you mentioned is from this same collection. They were part of
>>>>the inheritance from Charade de Marrant, wife of the famous painter
>>>>Bouffon de Marrant (1548-1602).
>>>
>>>... who I believe was descended from the well-known medieval knight
>>>Espées de Blague.
>>
>>Who, in turn, was descended from Crédule and Benêt Masse (1529-
>>1573), the eldest daughter of Hercule de Blague. I begin to see a
>>remarkable link here! Could it be, that this Hercule de Blague is the
>>infamous Chyren?
>
>[snip]
>
>>>I wonder which was the original? Does anyone know of the whereabouts
>>>of the manuscript? Perhaps X.96 offers a clue?
>>
>>This can not be coincidence. There are some small differences,
>>but this might be attributed to the fact that they were not
>>meant for publication.
>>
>>Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
>>quatrain is mentioned too?
>>
>> Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
>> Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
>> Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
>> Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
>
>I've been working on this quatrain, and have come
>to the conclusion that line 3 is pointing to the word
>logoS. Do you have any idea why he would have
>written it with a capital 'S' at the end. It seems that
>he is pointing in the direction of a word-play with
>the Greek term 'logos'. It could be that the word
>should be written as llogoS, but the printing is
>difficult to read.
The American-Welsh sometime contributor to this Newsgroup, you mean,
sometimes better known by his Hispanic name El Ninny and, I believe, a
direct descendant of Anne à Grammes?
>
>PS. I'm busy looking into the family history of
>Crédule and Benêt Masse and Hercule de Blague.
>Maybe this will lead us more insight about these
>mysterious quatrains.
Well, more insight about *something*, certainly...
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>
>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 21:41:29 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Could you check the Orval collection to see if the following
>>>quatrain is mentioned too?
>>>
>>> Un iour, tout a coup & sans présage,
>>> Pytre croit estre logoS, grand deshonneur:
>>> Ordre changeant lettres de cette image
>>> Révele & plus grand escroquant menteur.
>>
>>I've been working on this quatrain, and have come
>>to the conclusion that line 3 is pointing to the word
>>logoS. Do you have any idea why he would have
>>written it with a capital 'S' at the end. It seems that
>>he is pointing in the direction of a word-play with
>>the Greek term 'logos'. It could be that the word
>>should be written as llogoS, but the printing is
>>difficult to read.
>>
>
>LOL.!!
>
>Which nut-head i wonder might this be refering to!
Ah, that's a thought. I believe he does also come from a family of
peanut-farmers, now you come to mention it. A family of former
Canadian immigrants by the name of Cartier, I believe..
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
Must be a late, corrupt edition. Nostradamus normally only used acute
accents in endings! In fact the manuscript of his Orus Apollo contains
virtually no accents or punctuation at all.
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
this fascinating newly-discovered prophecy, I am now getting actual
emails about it from the leading experts. I append the latest, which
is from the esteemed John Vogue, who evidently didn't want to keep it
under his Nostradamian hat:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> had written:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
(previous channelled correspondence temporarily snipped)
-------------------------
Email from John VOGUE:
Unlike Erica Diddlem and Henry C Robbers, who are of course members of
the dead, I am very much one of the UNdead, and my interpretation of
this quatrain therefore has a much more New Age quality about it:
In 2001 the lunar crescent [Islam] shall complain
About the Emir [Abu Nidal] dying the death and running comets:
Water, drought, peace, war, the earth to tremble [i.e. an
earth-shaking conflict],
A frigid woman on heat; in the sky other planets.
I am not too sure what the reference to Abu Nidal running comets is
about: perhaps he used to travel in now-defunct British jet
airlliners? I am not too sure, either, who the frigid woman is -- but
possibly it is one of the various leading female gurus who are now to
be found in India, working to transform human consciousness.
I wonder, too, whether the 'other planets in the sky' are incoming
alien spaceships. If so, I do hope that they will be friendly and will
not be too keen to give us ideas.
--
John Vogue
Matthew
Jobard
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 01:00:55 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>Must be a late, corrupt edition. Nostradamus normally only used acute
>accents in endings! In fact the manuscript of his Orus Apollo contains
>virtually no accents or punctuation at all.
There are a lot of flies around here. It guess that on defecated
on the e in Revele. I'll have to examine this with a magnifying glass.
Then I will also be able to see if the target word in line 2 should
read logoS or llogoS. Those damned flies...
Jobard
Mark
>
> >> >it piqued my interest.
> >>
> >> Sure.
> >>
> >> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
> >> ;)
> >>
> >>
> >well yeah I did, why?
>
> Well, it normally means 'This is a joke'...
Hmmm... I'm beginning to understand how Nosty became so successful... ;)
Mark
>
> >> Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
> >>
> >> XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
> >> Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> >> Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> >> Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
> >
> >thunder,
> >Mir to die, a bit, and run like other comets
> >Wetness, dryness, Peace, and war, the ground will tremble
> >When the heat of atmospheric friction turns it into jelly... something,
> >something, something, something.
> >
> >Well, Peter... now you know why I admitted defeat many decades ago...
this
> >is obviously some kind of anagram... :(
> >
>
> ...unless, of course, as you half-suggest, Nostradamus was on the Port
> at the time. Didn't know they had it up there, though. Thought it was
> ambrosia or something something something... ;)
Ah... a clue, or something, something, something?
Jean Guernon
Matthew a écrit :
>
> In article <ntgc2ts8vvtnif5cf...@4ax.com>,
> Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Well folks, following the complete and total (and, I have to say
> > unexpected) success of the prophecy that so mysteriously found its
> > psychic way on to my computer on this very day last year (what is it,
> > I wonder, that so attracts Nostradamus about 30th November?) --
> > namely:
> >
> > XIII.56 En l'an deux mille, au changement de l'ere,
> > Jeune buysson sera ou non eleu:
> > Coups murtriers, un tremblement de terre;
> > En boeuf tout astre, au ciel feu sera veu.
> >
> > Or in a freeish English version:
> >
> > With year 2000's change of era
> > Young Bush shall be elected, or p'raps not:
> > Murderous blows, an earthquake full of terror,
> > All stars in Taurus, fire in t' sky they'll spot.
> >
> > -- a new prophecy has equally mysteriously come winging its way out of
> > the Nostradamian ether:
> >
> > Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
> >
> > XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
> > Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
> > Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
> > Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
> >
> > I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
> > often uses...
> >
> > I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
> >
> > Ian Gurney, perhaps?
> > --
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> The past 2 days I have found a soul searching for the meaning of the X-72
> quatrain or so I thought until I saw this posting.
>
> Somone is channelling Nosty, I might suggest it might even be delores, but I
> may be wrong, as other psychics could be tapping into the gifts of
> channelling looking for the answers.
>
> I was doing an astrology chart for a fellow co-worker when this came about
> and I started to "see" this chanelling, they were using a collective
> consciousness, and I dont know if they are aware of the people in this
> group,APN, might be doing the same, I am sure there are several people who
> meditate on the quatrains.
>
> anyway, what I got was lee-anne, I thought I was getting a name, then I
> started to get the other words, l'an mil nuef, so whoever it is, might be
> trying to channel the prophecy, and I assume they are working on X-72.
>
> so I was working on this astrology chart for 1971, and his sun and saturn
> were in the same house, 4° off from a perfect alignment, and I
> thought,michael is working on x-72, maybe it is him, but lordmichael doesn't
> claim to have knowledge of "new" prophecies as spoken of here, that I know
> of.
>
> so I started to listen for Nosty, like delores does, a mountain of french
> came down on my head, I have no Idea what it meant.
>
> So, I just tried "L'an", and I heard l'an(short pause) mil (short pause)
> nuef. thats about all I can say about that.
>
> I don't know if that will help, I don't know if those new prophecies have
> anything to do with x-72.
>
These from the 13th Centurie are made up in case you didn't
notice.
(It's fun still to speculate on them... especiallky when they are
aenigmatic. :-))
J.
> maybe you should try meditating on the new prophecies?
Matthew
>
-- --Matthew-- "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding
everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - C.G.Jung (Addition to a lecture
given to the Society for Psychical Research in 1919)
iang...@my-deja.com
impending re-entry some time next year, along with
the now visible International Space Station, I wonder
what Peter Lemes. and others have to say about
Century 6 Quatrain 5.
In line 3 the word SAMOROBIN is Cyrillic Russian for
"self operator" SAMO = self, ROBIN = operator. The
fact that line three also states that SAMOROBIN is
one hundred leagues above the hemisphere, which
equates to 400 kilometres above the Earth is roughly
the height that most satellites operate at.
Has this quatrain anything to do with CX11 Q60?
What are your opinions on the word
SAMOROBIN...are we talking satellites here or not?
Over to you Peter.
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:8a5k2ts7qjdol5mf9...@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >it piqued my interest.
>> >>
>> >> Sure.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did you?
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >well yeah I did, why?
>>
>> Well, it normally means 'This is a joke'...
>
>Hmmm... I'm beginning to understand how Nosty became so successful... ;)
>
Well, that was part of my point...
And HE had a pretty serious sense of humour, too!! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
>On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:31:53 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
><lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 01:00:55 GMT, Jobard <Job...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>Must be a late, corrupt edition. Nostradamus normally only used acute
>>accents in endings! In fact the manuscript of his Orus Apollo contains
>>virtually no accents or punctuation at all.
>
>There are a lot of flies around here. It guess that on defecated
>on the e in Revele. I'll have to examine this with a magnifying glass.
>Then I will also be able to see if the target word in line 2 should
>read logoS or llogoS. Those damned flies...
Thank heaven for mouchoirs, then!
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
>Talking about the MIR space station and its
>impending re-entry some time next year, along with
>the now visible International Space Station, I wonder
>what Peter Lemes. and others have to say about
>Century 6 Quatrain 5.
>In line 3 the word SAMOROBIN is Cyrillic Russian for
>"self operator" SAMO = self, ROBIN = operator.
Yes, that's interesting (in fact, I believe I pointed it out myself)
-- but I suspect it may be a bit of a red herring...
> The
>fact that line three also states that SAMOROBIN is
>one hundred leagues above the hemisphere, which
>equates to 400 kilometres above the Earth is roughly
>the height that most satellites operate at.
Yes, about the altitude of the former Skylab, and slightly above that
of Mir.
>Has this quatrain anything to do with CX11 Q60?
'Fraid I don't have a XII.60. It wasn't part of the original editions.
>What are your opinions on the word
>SAMOROBIN...are we talking satellites here or not?
>Over to you Peter.
Hi Ian
Extract from FAQ C:
-----------------------------
27. Isn't the name 'Samarobryn' in VI.5 a reference to the Russians?
A. Probably not. It comes from the Gallic name for Amiens -
'Samarobriva'.
I suspect a piece of Nostradamian word-play via Greek 'amiantos' =
incorruptible. As the word is treated in the verse as a plural, this
would give 'the incorruptible ones'.
Compare this with my published translation, slightly edited:
A wave of plague shall bring so great a dearth
While ceaseless rains the northern skies shall sweep:
Samarobryn, a hundred leagues from Earth,
Law-free themselves from politics shall keep.
...and it starts to look remarkably like a far future 'Messianic'
visitation by non-terrestrials!
----------------------------
Any good?
--
Peter
Mark
> >>
> >> >> >it piqued my interest.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure.
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW, you did notice the little sign at the end of the header, did
you?
> >> >> ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> Peter
> >> >>
> >> >well yeah I did, why?
> >>
> >> Well, it normally means 'This is a joke'...
> >
> >Hmmm... I'm beginning to understand how Nosty became so successful...
;)
> >
>
> Well, that was part of my point...
>
> And HE had a pretty serious sense of humour, too!! ;)
Beginning to suspect that! Always thought he was kinda Dark and Brooding...
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
Described as 'facetious' in his youth. Always playing with words as an
adult.
Gallows humour, perhaps?!! ;)
--
Peter
iang...@my-deja.com
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> 'Fraid I don't have a XII.60. It wasn't part of the original editions.
>
I beleive. I also like the idea about the "new" planet found outside
the orbit of Neptune, but I can't help thinking that the Samorobin
reference has something to do with modern day satellites and prehaps
his use of cyrillic Russian is a clue. How many satellites up there are
nuclear powered? Would a failure of one of these cause a "pestilant
wave" across the northern hemisphere? Is it Russia that lives exempt of
the law and without politics? there are certainly parts of the former
Soviet Union that are in that situation right now. A fascinating couple
of quatrains I think.
Ian.
Peter Lemesurier
>In article <1c7q2t8g5di7tk2lh...@4ax.com>,
> Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> 'Fraid I don't have a XII.60. It wasn't part of the original editions.
>>
>> Sorry. my mistake, I was talking about the "Emir" quatrain....XIII 60
>I beleive.
Ah! Best not to talk about that one... or indeed any other of the many
recently discovered quatrains from the 13th Century...
Especially in view of the suspected input from that celebrated
medieval knight whom I mentioned earlier, called Espées de Blague. ;)
> I also like the idea about the "new" planet found outside
>the orbit of Neptune, but I can't help thinking that the Samorobin
>reference has something to do with modern day satellites and prehaps
>his use of cyrillic Russian is a clue.
Well, if it is. But, as I say, that seems to be more of a
Cheethamesque invention. 'Self-worker' would be more like
'samarobotnik'.
> How many satellites up there are
>nuclear powered? Would a failure of one of these cause a "pestilant
>wave" across the northern hemisphere? Is it Russia that lives exempt of
>the law and without politics? there are certainly parts of the former
>Soviet Union that are in that situation right now. A fascinating couple
>of quatrains I think.
Well, in their different ways, certainly! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
from the esteemed John Vogue (below), I now have the honour to post a
report on it by the well-known commentator Dolores Gunn, quoted
directly from the 'Psychics and Sidekicks' Journal'. Please see
article appended:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> had written:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
(previous channelled correspondence temporarily snipped)
-------------------------
Email from John VOGUE:
Unlike Erica Diddlem and Henry C Robbers, who are of course members of
the dead, I am very much one of the UNdead, and my interpretation of
this quatrain therefore has a much more New Age quality about it:
In 2001 the lunar crescent [Islam] shall complain
About the Emir [Abu Nidal] dying the death and running comets:
Water, drought, peace, war, the earth to tremble [i.e. an
earth-shaking conflict],
A frigid woman on heat; in the sky other planets.
I am not too sure what the reference to Abu Nidal running comets is
about: perhaps he used to travel in now-defunct British jet
airlliners? I am not too sure, either, who the frigid woman is -- but
possibly it is one of the various leading female gurus who are now to
be found in India, working to transform human consciousness.
I wonder, too, whether the 'other planets in the sky' are incoming
alien spaceships. If so, I do hope that they will be friendly and will
not be too keen to give us ideas.
--
John Vogue
-------------------
As soon as I saw this newly-discovered Nostradamus prophecy, I thought
I had better put my assistant Beryl on to it straight away. So,
hauling her out of bed, I put her under and hypnotically regressed her
to the sixteenth century without more ado in order to ask Nostradamus
in person what it was about.
D. Well, where is he this time?
B. (Her teeth chattering with cold). H-he's .... at his t-tailor's!
D. Really? So ask him what this bit is in line one about 'croissant
Selyn gronder'.
B. H-he says he doesn't know -- and do you mind going away while he
does't have any p-pants on?
D. Stop shivering like that!
B. It's not me, it's him!
D. Anyway, what does he mean, 'He doesn't know'? He wrote it, didn't
he?
B. He says he c-can't remember -- and if you want to know what it
means why don't you learn some f... -- some f... -- some F-french?
D. What a ridiculous suggestion, when we have Erica's English
translation available! She says it's something to do with a salty
bread-roll.
B. He says 'If you're so sure, why did you ask ME?'
D. That's enough cheek from him. Who does he think he is --
Nostradamus?
B. Well, yes, he...
D. Shut up! What about the Emir dying? What's he dying of?
B. He says a bad attack of d-death, probably. That's what the next
word says, isn't it?
D. Ah, so he DOES know what the verse says?!
B. No, that's what *I* said.
D. Stop interfering, then!
B. But I thought I was here to...
D. Put a sock in it! You're here to help me write my book -- that's
all.
B. Actually he seems to have lost interest now...
D. Ah! Short attention-span, eh?
B. No, he's saying something like 'Eelmer phone, chap oh!' (1)
D. What's that, something to do with his mobile?
B. He says 'Set rope tea!' (2)
D. Ah -- some kind of hemp-based concoction to help him go into
trance, you mean?
B. Now he's saying something about 'Les, show Sontro grows!' (3)
D. Ah, so Les must be his tailor, and Sontro his Colombian
drug-pusher? Where does he grow it, I wonder?
B. Well, he's adding 'Heavy Voonmont, oh?' (4)
D. That must be the strain of hemp...
B. Hang on -- he's adding 'Ian, do blame a wrong!' (5)
D. So Ian's involved, too? I suppose the 'wrong' must be the drug
crime they're all caught up in...
B. 'Sack Hootbow, coo!' (6), he says.
D. Must be some supplier who's let them down...
B. He's exclaiming 'Dizzy queue'! (7)
D. Yes, I bet it is...
B. 'And you', (8) he says.
D. How dare he?!
At this point it looked, as usual, as if we weren't going to get much
hard information out of Nostradamus -- or hard drugs, for that matter
-- so I booted Beryl back up the stairs again, throwing her chair
after her. Somehow the name 'Colombia' seemed to ring a bell, though,
along with its drug trade. Then I realised that I had heard how
Washington was bang in the middle of it. And there was I thinking that
he had never told a lie! Well, nothing surprises me these days...
--
Dolores Gunn
Academic notes by PL:
(1) Presumably the seer's original French phrase would have been 'Il
me faut un chapeau'.
(2) Evidently 'C'est trop petit'.
(3) 'Les chausses sont trop grosses.'
(4) Could this possibly be 'Avez-vous un manteau'?
(5) 'Et un doublet marron'?
(6) This has to be 'Ca coûte beacoup'.
(7) 'Dix écus'. That's presumably the price.
(8) Obviously 'Adieu'.
--
Peter Lemesurier
Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Academic notes by PL:
>
>(1) Presumably the seer's original French phrase would have been 'Il
>me faut un chapeau'.
>
>(2) Evidently 'C'est trop petit'.
>
>(3) 'Les chausses sont trop grosses.'
>
>(4) Could this possibly be 'Avez-vous un manteau'?
>
>(5) 'Et un doublet marron'?
>
>(6) This has to be 'Ca coûte beacoup'.
>
>(7) 'Dix écus'. That's presumably the price.
>
>(8) Obviously 'Adieu'.
I do hope somebody is going to translate these evident pieces of
original Nostradamia for us! ;)
Ian again, perhaps?
What might they reveal?
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
Well, I have finally had an email from my near-namesake Peter
Lemmerdeur, who, as ever, seems to have managed to produce a correct
and, this time, rather worryingly futuristic-sounding
verse-translation :
Two thousand one, the crescent moon shall roar;
Th' emir shall die; deaths; comets wander by:
The earth shall quake; floods, drought, and peace, and war;
Frost, heat; new planets circling in the sky.
Clearly (he writes) line one is about a lot of tumult and noise from
the Muslim world. As for "The' emir", it is fairly obvious that it
could equally well be written "The Mir"...
Meanwhile, Erica Diddlem has of course failed to apply the standard
caesura after the fourth syllable, and so has failed to realise that
the word "un" goes with '"mil", not with "croissant" (a word that
didn't in any case mean "crescent roll" until 1689, when the bakers of
Vienna invented it to celebrate the lifting of the siege of the city
by the Ottoman Turks).
Finally, while it is fine for Henry C Robbers to imitate an owl at the
end of his piece, I should point out that if it had had any education
it would in fact have said: "To wit, to whooooooooooooom!"
Peter Lemmerdeur
Peter Lemesurier
pearls of wisdom from Nostradamus myself...
>>Academic notes by PL:
>>
>>(1) Presumably the seer's original French phrase would have been 'Il
>>me faut un chapeau'.
'I need a hat'.
>>
>>(2) Evidently 'C'est trop petit'.
'It's too small'.
>>
>>(3) 'Les chausses sont trop grosses.'
The hose is too large.
>>
>>(4) Could this possibly be 'Avez-vous un manteau'?
'Do you have a cloak?'
>>
>>(5) 'Et un doublet marron'?
'And a maroon doublet?'
>>
>>(6) This has to be 'Ca coûte beacoup'.
'That costs a lot.'
>>
>>(7) 'Dix écus'. That's presumably the price.
'Ten crowns'.
>>
>>(8) Obviously 'Adieu'.
'Toodle pip' .. er, sorry ... 'Goodbye'.
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:32 +0000, Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
A new prophecy has mysteriously come winging its way out of
the Nostradamian ether.
Apparently headed 'Presage sommaire sur l'année 2001', it reads:
XIII.60 En deux mil un croissant Selyn gronder,
Emir mourir, mors, & courir cometes:
Eaue, siccité, paix, guerre, terre trembler,
Gellée, chaleur; au ciel aultres planetes.
I note that the word 'Emir' doesn't seem to be one that Nostradamus
often uses...
I do hope somebody is going to help translate the verse! ;)
-------------------------
Psychically received from the late Erica DIDDLEM:
As I shall be pointing out in my next book, 'The Quite Definitely
Posthumous Prophecies of Nostradamus' (due to be published by Heaven's
Gate Press), this recently discovered quatrain translates as:
In two thousand, a salty bread-roll to rumble,
An Emir to die, dead people to run Comets:
Water, dryness, peace, war, the earth to tremble,
Jelly, hot; in the sky other planets.
Frankly, line one seems to be out of date. I can only imagine that the
bread-roll will somehow will prove indigestible -- perhaps IT is out
of date, too? Or could this mean that they are going to put all that
blood and bone meal that is causing mad cow disease into the flour
instead?
I have no idea which Emir Nostradamus is talking about, but as it
doesn't seem to mean the Kennedy brothers, I rather suspect that this
is a failed quatrain. As for the rest of line 2, I have heard of dead
people running governments (for some reason the names 'Coolidge' and
'Reagan' spring to mind), but I haven't heard that they are about to
run the chain of Comet electrical stores as well.
The rest of the verse seems rather contradictory, but I suppose the
earth trembling IS a bit like a jelly -- except that, when *I* make a
jelly and it's still hot, it doesn't tremble: it just runs. And of
course there are different planets in the sky all the time.
So perhaps Nostradamus wasn't such a good cook -- or astrologer -- as
he thought he was?
Whoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
--
Erica Diddlem
------------------------------
Psychically received from the late Henry C ROBBERS:
Well, I may not be around here much any more, but at least I know that
a 'croissant' is not a bread roll so much as a rich, crescent-shaped
flakey roll. I should know. You just can't get the damn things up
here. It's just ambrosia, ambrosia, ambrosia all the time...
Anyway, here is my translation of the newly discovered verse XIII.60,
which I believe to be clean and true, and whose first two lines
clearly run on -- unless it is just the Emir mentioned who does:
In the year two thousand and one an Emir shall complain
About a salty croissant, then have the astronomical runs and
die the death.
Water, dryness, peace, war. Tremble, Earth!
Hot and shaking like a jelly, they shall go to other planets
in the sky.
Interpretation: The death of a Muslim leader from food-poisoning and
dehydration shall change peace into war while, as the earth trembles
with the roar of their rocket-engines, astronauts shall travel to
other planets.
I respect the efforts of my recently arrived, if culinarily challenged
colleague Erica, of course ... but one thing ill becomes her -- to
wit, to whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
--
Henry C Robbers
--------------------------------------
Email from John VOGUE:
Unlike Erica Diddlem and Henry C Robbers, who are of course members of
the dead, I am very much one of the UNdead, and my interpretation of
this quatrain therefore has a much more New Age quality about it:
In 2001 the lunar crescent [Islam] shall complain
About the Emir [Abu Nidal] dying the death and running comets:
Water, drought, peace, war, the earth to tremble [i.e. an
earth-shaking conflict],
A frigid woman on heat; in the sky other planets.
I am not too sure what the reference to Abu Nidal running comets is
about: perhaps he used to travel in now-defunct British jet airliners?
I am not too sure, either, who the frigid woman is -- but possibly it
is one of the various leading female gurus who are now to be found in
India, working to transform human consciousness.
I wonder, too, whether the 'other planets in the sky' are incoming
alien spaceships. If so, I do hope that they will be friendly and will
not be too keen to give us ideas.
--
John Vogue
------------------
Article by Dolores GUNN:
B. Well, yes, he...
D. Stop interfering, then!
D. How dare he?!
Dolores Gunn
Academic notes by PL:
(1) Presumably the seer's original French phrase would have been 'Il
me faut un chapeau' [I need a hat].
(2) Evidently 'C'est trop petit' [It's too small].
(3) 'Les chausses sont trop grosses' [The hose is too large].
(4) Could this possibly be 'Avez-vous un manteau' [Do you have a
cloak?]?
(5) 'Et un doublet marron' [And a maroon doublet?]?
(6) This has to be 'Ca coûte beacoup' [That's expensive].
(7) 'Dix écus'. That's presumably the price. [Ten crowns]
(8) Obviously 'Adieu'. [Goodbye]
-------------------------
Well, I have finally had an email from my near-namesake Peter
Lemmerdeur, who, as ever, seems to have managed to produce a correct
and, this time, rather worryingly futuristic-sounding
verse-translation...
From Peter LEMMERDEUR:
Two thousand one, the crescent moon shall roar;
Th' emir shall die; deaths; comets wander by:
The earth shall quake; floods, drought, and peace, and war;
Frost, heat; new planets circling in the sky.
Clearly, line one is about a lot of tumult and noise from the Muslim
world. As for "The' emir", it is fairly obvious that that it could
Mark
Just a few questions.... ;)
Why is Selyn capitalized? To show that it's a word in a different language
than French?
How come cometes isn't comètes?
I thought gelees was frost, not gellée.
And 'Eaue' is earthquake?
Interesting about the cadence... and the history of the croissant, well -
gastronomically delightful! ;)
All in all, I think I'll be better prepared for the next prophecy to
mysteriously wing its way from the Nosty Ether.
More please. :)
Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gqo63tk7obui27dnc...@4ax.com...
> OK, folks, here's the complete sequence:
>
> From Peter LEMMERDEUR:
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>O.K. Saved in the archives -
>
>Just a few questions.... ;)
>
>Why is Selyn capitalized?
Nosty often capitalises it. Possibly because it relates to Selene
(capital letter), the moon goddess -- or because he is also suggesting
a side-reference to the former Ottoman ruler Selim.
> To show that it's a word in a different language
>than French?
>How come cometes isn't comčtes?
Not too many accents were used at the time. Normally, N only uses the
grave accent on 'ą', and the acute accent on past participle endings.
>I thought gelees was frost, not gellée.
In modern French, 'gelée' is frost *and* jelly. N sometimes spelt it
with two 'l's. Spelling was not of course standardised at the time --
and obviously it still isn't where he is now!! ;)
>And 'Eaue' is earthquake?
Nope. It's water (modern 'eau'). Lemmerdeur has reversed the order of
the items in line 3 for the sake of the rhyme -- a perfectly
legitimate translation procedure.
>
>Interesting about the cadence... and the history of the croissant, well -
>gastronomically delightful! ;)
>
>All in all, I think I'll be better prepared for the next prophecy to
>mysteriously wing its way from the Nosty Ether.
And meanwhile I'd better warn Nosty to mind his 'p's and 'q's (an
interesting sidelight, BTW, on the problems printers had at the time)!
;)
>
>More please. :)
I'll pass that message on to him psychically -- but I think he may
have gone back into celestial hibernation until next November!...
--
Peter
Mark
>
> Nope. It's water (modern 'eau'). Lemmerdeur has reversed the order of
> the items in line 3 for the sake of the rhyme -- a perfectly
> legitimate translation procedure.
Thought 'water' was l'eau - ;)
> And meanwhile I'd better warn Nosty to mind his 'p's and 'q's
Heh, heh... it's how I learn. Anal retentive and all that. ;)
> (an interesting sidelight, BTW, on the problems printers had at the time)!
;)
Dang, always that the 'p's and 'q's phrase had to do with 'please' and thank
q's.
> >More please. :)
>
> I'll pass that message on to him psychically -- but I think he may
> have gone back into celestial hibernation until next November!...
Grrrrr.... (big frown).
Is it for our lack of trying? Our inability to get it right?
I read every post... but I'm only an egg, and couldn't contribute much. :(
Just Bud
>Thought 'water' was l'eau - ;)
L' is 'the' (le). It can be used before eau, but doesn't have to be.
Such as in 'eau de toilette'...
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Mark
Just Bud <the...@san.rxyzr.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark" <mbur...@prodigy.net> opened the coffin lid and croaked...
>
> >Thought 'water' was l'eau - ;)
>
> L' is 'the' (le). It can be used before eau, but doesn't have to be.
> Such as in 'eau de toilette'...
lol... gotcha! Thanks.
Never quite understood how 'toilet water' became 'perfume'. ;)
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>"Mark" <mbur...@prodigy.net> opened the coffin lid and croaked...
>
>>Thought 'water' was l'eau - ;)
>
>L' is 'the' (le). It can be used before eau, but doesn't have to be.
>Such as in 'eau de toilette'...
Well, if we're being technical, all French common nouns normally
require something in front of them when used in sentences. So if you
were asking for 'eau de toilette' you'd have to say 'De l'eau de
toilette, s'il vous plaît', or whatever (though you can say 'Une
bouteille d'eau de toilette' -- with the first bit counting as the
'something in front'). It's only on the label, where it's not in a
sentence, that you can normally have 'eau de toilette' with nothing in
front -- a list being another obvious exception.
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Peter Lemesurier <lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0hd93to2rr5arplh7...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Nope. It's water (modern 'eau'). Lemmerdeur has reversed the order of
>> the items in line 3 for the sake of the rhyme -- a perfectly
>> legitimate translation procedure.
>
>Thought 'water' was l'eau - ;)
OK, technically -- but you know how he was always prone to leave out
articles, prepositions and pronouns...
>
>> And meanwhile I'd better warn Nosty to mind his 'p's and 'q's
>
>Heh, heh... it's how I learn. Anal retentive and all that. ;)
>
>> (an interesting sidelight, BTW, on the problems printers had at the time)!
>;)
>
>Dang, always that the 'p's and 'q's phrase had to do with 'please' and thank
>q's.
>
>> >More please. :)
>>
>> I'll pass that message on to him psychically -- but I think he may
>> have gone back into celestial hibernation until next November!...
>
>Grrrrr.... (big frown).
>
>Is it for our lack of trying? Our inability to get it right?
>
>I read every post... but I'm only an egg, and couldn't contribute much. :(
No, but I think he may be a bit exhausted with trying to cope with
collapsing celestial publishers and keeping people happy in other ways
on alt.celest.net!! ;)
--
Peter
Just Bud
>Never quite understood how 'toilet water' became 'perfume'. ;)
Only in France...
:)
Just Bud
>Well, if we're being technical,
Peter, you're talking to people in a country where "and?" can be an entire sentence.
Leaving off 'le' is NO problem...
Mark
>
> No, but I think he may be a bit exhausted with trying to cope with
> collapsing celestial publishers and keeping people happy in other ways
> on alt.celest.net!! ;)
Understand completely... though disappointed.
Was learning quite a bit...
Mark
Peter, I forgot to say 'Thank You'!
[Begin Verbose Mode]
Peter... this was a wonderful teaching tool. I really can't say enough
about it.
I've learned some of the 'other' translators methodes for understanding
Nosty... the pitfalls and preconceived biases that some (or perhaps 'all')
fall into when translating. The outright frauds. You even admitted your
own bias and beliefs... and poked fun at yourself as well. ;)
I learned a bit of French... and some of the differences of modern day and
16th century French... how words have changed, and how they're put together
to form sentences and convey 'ideas'. And that 'word for word' translations
can't work... in *any* language.
I've learned that French really is a dynamic and living language.
I learned that Nosty used cadence in the same way Poets do... keeping the
'count' but using 'word play' in ways that English can not be used. I
learned that one must have the gestalt of a translation, prior to
translating it into another language.
You've elevated language(s) to a 'feeling' and 'intent', while letting me
know that there are still 'rules' that must (mosttimes) be obeyed in a
languages' construct.
I'm a richer and better person for the instruction... really.
Er... have you changed your mind? I could go on.... ;)
Mark
(Who's actually quite serious and sincere in his praise)
Mark <mbur...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
Well, you never know. He might get re-invigorated once he manages to
get some kind of further response out of heavenspublishing.online!! ;)
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Dang it! Dang it! Dang it!
>
>Peter, I forgot to say 'Thank You'!
>
>[Begin Verbose Mode]
>
>Peter... this was a wonderful teaching tool. I really can't say enough
>about it.
>
>I've learned some of the 'other' translators methodes for understanding
>Nosty... the pitfalls and preconceived biases that some (or perhaps 'all')
>fall into when translating. The outright frauds. You even admitted your
>own bias and beliefs... and poked fun at yourself as well. ;)
>
>I learned a bit of French... and some of the differences of modern day and
>16th century French... how words have changed, and how they're put together
>to form sentences and convey 'ideas'. And that 'word for word' translations
>can't work... in *any* language.
>
>I've learned that French really is a dynamic and living language.
>
>I learned that Nosty used cadence in the same way Poets do... keeping the
>'count' but using 'word play' in ways that English can not be used. I
>learned that one must have the gestalt of a translation, prior to
>translating it into another language.
>
>You've elevated language(s) to a 'feeling' and 'intent', while letting me
>know that there are still 'rules' that must (mosttimes) be obeyed in a
>languages' construct.
>
>I'm a richer and better person for the instruction... really.
>
>Er... have you changed your mind? I could go on.... ;)
Well, let's see if I can get some kind of yea or nay out of Online
Originals first. If it's nay, then there's no obvious reason when I
shouldn't...
Anyway, thanks for the kind comments!
--
Peter
Ted Johnson
Meanwhile, there are a few qs that you haven't gotten
around to setting in verse.... {:^]
Ted The Optimist
Peter Lemesurier
wrote:
>Meanwhile, there are a few qs that you haven't gotten
>around to setting in verse.... {:^]
I know, I know -- mea culpa!! ;)
--
Peter