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Mike

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Sep 18, 2008, 3:29:03 PM9/18/08
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Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for Bill
Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that, we
just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!

If we can kill people in wars, why can't we do this, for the benefit of the
many instead of a few? Somehow people can't see that their money has been
STOLEN!!

Now that the money supply is scarce, I have a premonition the money owners
and stock holders of Central Banks will fund governments to start wars so as
to gain control of the world population through the money supply. Suckers
and war mongers like Steven will go along with the killing because he is a
gullible sheep. It is time to do something NOW!! After they take your house
and savings, they will come for your life next.

It is time to act now, before it is too late. Luckily I don't have any
money so to speak of but they can still come for my life. I never needed a
surplus of money because I don't have a family and responsibilities.
Nevertheless, I would be angry if my life savings was and house was
**STOLEN** like that! Why can't people see they are beeing ROBBED and all
the reassurance in the news are just lies to steal more of your money?
Forgive me if I am wrong, becaue I don't know much about money, but I can
see THEFT when I see it!


Werewolfy

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Sep 18, 2008, 4:46:17 PM9/18/08
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On 18 Sep, 20:29, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:

"but I can see THEFT when I see it!"

True, Mike. Theft comes in many disguises, sometimes it sneaks in,
sometimes it's a forceful act, sometimes an invisible one.
Governments are quite adept at the practice. They can, however,
legislate to allow such things to occur, legislate to their benefit,
and profit for their supporters of high standing.

I fancy all gaols would be rather full, were they to accomodate
everyone guilty of stealth theft.

Werewolfy

Mike

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Sep 18, 2008, 5:27:14 PM9/18/08
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"Werewolfy" <thepheasa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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I was watching a fascinating show. Pers3id posted a link many months ago.
It explains everything, and predicts with amazing accuracy all that's
happening in the markets and why everything is crashing. It's a 'must
watch' for anyone (like myself) who doesn't understand much about the
financial system. It seems to make sense to me and I understand better now.

The video seems to claims that the whole financial meltdown is intentional
to gain global control of money by a few key money-making individuals who
want total control of the world banking system and seems to be going
according to their plan. I decided to post it again so others could watch.
It's a long show, but I was wondering what everyone thought.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936


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Werewolfy

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Sep 18, 2008, 6:54:19 PM9/18/08
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On 18 Sep, 22:27, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:

"a long show, but I was wondering what everyone thought."

Well, I struggled through it, Mike..and can't say I learned too much.
Finance has always been a mystery to me..I earn some money, I use
it...I earn some more and use that. These enormous figures of wealth
are as vague to my mind, as trying to imagine the distance between
Galaxies!

Randy seems a very educated man in financial affairs. I wonder what he
thinks?

I was aware that an elite, very wealthy group 'play' with shares and
finacial markets, and have the power to bring down a Government with a
concerted attack on any currency. That can't be right. It transfers
authority from the Government to those fortunate super-wealthy groups.
They can create recession, should that be to their advantage too.

But it all seems too much like the 'South Sea Bubble' to me. Stocks
rising and rising and...rising. It's no suprise when the bubble bursts
and a fall occurs.

I keep away from any system of credit. I don't have a credit card,
never borrow and only buy something I have the money to pay for.
Sadly, it has been too easy for people to buy on credit.,..and now,
the defaults and the 'bubble' have been exposed.

But I'm only surmising. It's all a very complicated business, which
even a hardened economist would have trouble explaining...so I think
I'll sit back and watch!

Ricky

Steven Douglas

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Sep 18, 2008, 8:52:01 PM9/18/08
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On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for Bill
> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that, we
> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!

That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
Soviet Union in 1917. Look where it got them.

Mike

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Sep 18, 2008, 9:48:10 PM9/18/08
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"Werewolfy" <thepheasa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for watching and commenting though. I confess I haven't watched the
whole thing yet. Too long for one sitting! But, I enjoy a similar
lifestyle to you. I don't use or need any credit either.

If I make too much money, my desires or needs seem to expand just enough to
consume whatever I have. If I have too much money, the right emergency
comes along just at the right time to gobble it all up. I almost hate money.
I feel having it will cause an emergency that will cause me to have to spend
it. Besides, it's too easy to get sucked into buying things that I don't
need. Even so, I still have way too much 'stuff' for my liking. It's a
constant struggle to be constantly figuring who to give it to becaue I don't
want it anymore. Even trying to sell it can be a chore.

When I shop, I just go get what I want. Shopping with others can be a
nightmare, especially my Mom. I was hoping her current situation would curb
her desire for material things, but that does not seem to have changed. I
guess I should take that as a good sign that she is not planning on dying
anytime soon!

My hobbies are not too expensive and learning new things is more 'valuable'
to me than working my butt aquire 'things' and pay debts. Besides, I hate
bosses. Half the time they don't even know how to turn on a computer. I
hate having to do what they say becaue half the time they are wrong and
won't listen to what you have to say, even if you know way more than them. I
try to get away with working as little as possible. To me having less means
more freedom to do what I want. If I had responsibilities, things might be
different and I might have acept things that I wouldn't otherwise. I feel
blessed that way to be free of responsibilities.

It's sort of exciting to watch others lose their savings though. I can't
begin to comprehend what the fuss is all about! I figure, if I can be happy
with so little, others should be able to stand it too. Maybe, I shouldn't
feel that way. Who knows, maybe if I was rich and had responsibilities, I
might think differently.

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> Ricky

Mike

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Sep 18, 2008, 9:52:21 PM9/18/08
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"Steven Douglas" <dst...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Where is that? Please explain...

Pers3id

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Sep 18, 2008, 11:46:16 PM9/18/08
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"Mike" <mi...@nike.com> wrote in news:UIzAk.11825$PK....@newsfe04.iad:

>> I fancy all gaols would be rather full, were they to accomodate
>> everyone guilty of stealth theft.
>
> I was watching a fascinating show. Pers3id posted a link many months ago.
> It explains everything, and predicts with amazing accuracy all that's
> happening in the markets and why everything is crashing. It's a 'must
> watch' for anyone (like myself) who doesn't understand much about the
> financial system. It seems to make sense to me and I understand better now.
>
> The video seems to claims that the whole financial meltdown is intentional
> to gain global control of money by a few key money-making individuals who
> want total control of the world banking system and seems to be going
> according to their plan. I decided to post it again so others could watch.
> It's a long show, but I was wondering what everyone thought.

I haven't had time to watch this tonight, but the control of the money
through banking and control of the country's currency has been the goal
of banking and central banks for the past 300+ years.

Lemke has a few juicy points to make about the Rothschild family of
England. These 'debt merchants' continued to foist their wares on an
unsuspecting society, even after repeated episodes of throwing these
bankers out on their ears. They are insidious though, and don't easily
give up and leave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

Today, the United States currency is controlled by a private bank,
the US Federal Reserve Bank, which is a satellite of the original
Rothschild banking dynasty.

One thing is certain, in the event of a financial collapse, assets
will be scooped up for pennies on the dollar afterwards, by savvy
investors who still have cash to spend. The one wildcard in a
global financial collapse like this is the potential for social/
political upheaval... revolution.


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> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
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>> Werewolfy
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Life is good.

Steven Douglas

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:11:32 AM9/19/08
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On Sep 18, 6:52 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
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> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> >> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for
> >> Bill
> >> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that, we
> >> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!
>
> > That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
> > Soviet Union in 1917.
> >Look where it got them.
>
> Where is that? Please explain...

Read a book.

gato2008chile

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Sep 19, 2008, 12:23:44 AM9/19/08
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Mike

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Sep 19, 2008, 1:07:09 AM9/19/08
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"Steven Douglas" <dst...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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I have read many!


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Mike

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Sep 19, 2008, 1:56:21 AM9/19/08
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"Steven Douglas" <dst...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Besides, I did not mention anything about the Soviet Union in my post above.
You are the one who made that connection. Why should I read a book to find
out what you mean? You didn't even offer a suggestion of a book I should
read. I don't even know what information you are expecting me to research
or what you are talking about. The Soviet Union is not my 'cup of tea' and
I am not a historian.


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Mike

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Sep 19, 2008, 2:01:43 AM9/19/08
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"gato2008chile" <gato2008ch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You will not solve any financial problems that way. The most that will
happen is you will be out the cost of a plane ticket and you might get even
get into trouble as many don't like Mexicans up here.

WH

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Sep 19, 2008, 7:38:02 AM9/19/08
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On Sep 19, 7:56 am, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3d08d85b-2c1d-4437...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
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>
>
>
> > On Sep 18, 6:52 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> >> >> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for
> >> >> Bill
> >> >> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that,
> >> >> we
> >> >> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!
>
> >> > That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
> >> > Soviet Union in 1917.
> >> >Look where it got them.
>
> >> Where is that? Please explain...
>
> > Read a book.
>
> Besides, I did not mention anything about the Soviet Union in my post above.
> You are the one who made that connection. Why should I read a book to find
> out what you mean?  You didn't even offer a suggestion of a book I should
> read.  I don't even know what information you are expecting me to research
> or what you are talking about.  The Soviet Union is not my 'cup of tea' and
> I am not a historian.
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Douglas' way of pretending that he knows something Mike. He has
'heard' stories about these people and so spits out their names
knowing full well that you're not going to bother reading any books
about them just for a newsgroup discussion. These NG's are not THAT
important. I too would like him to explain what he means, I know what
he's getting at but to prove that he actually knows what he's talking
about it would be nice to have an explanation in his own words...no
cites...in his words!

But I won't hold my breath waiting!

WH

Steven Douglas

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Sep 19, 2008, 8:54:17 AM9/19/08
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On Sep 18, 10:56 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > On Sep 18, 6:52 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> >> >> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for
> >> >> Bill
> >> >> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that,
> >> >> we
> >> >> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!
>
> >> > That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
> >> > Soviet Union in 1917.
> >> >Look where it got them.
>
> >> Where is that? Please explain...
>
> > Read a book.
>
> Besides, I did not mention anything about the Soviet Union in my post above.
> You are the one who made that connection. Why should I read a book to find
> out what you mean?

Because your so-called "solution" to the money problem has already
been tried, by Communists -- with disastrous results.


>
> You didn't even offer a suggestion of a book I should
> read. I don't even know what information you are expecting me to research
> or what you are talking about. The Soviet Union is not my 'cup of tea' and
> I am not a historian.

Wouldn't it help to know that your so-called "solution" to the money
problem has already been tried, and failed? Do you not know what
happened in the Soviet Union during its Communist era? Or, if you need
a more current example, look at North Korea.

Mike

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Sep 19, 2008, 11:10:50 AM9/19/08
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"Steven Douglas" <dst...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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No, I don't know that much about the Soviet Union or North Korea. I know
more about American history.

I know about the theft of black slaves from Africa and I know something of
the North American Indians! Why not quote a little American history instead.
That was theft and robbery! It seems to have worked here (for a time)! The
blacks and Indians might tell a different story. It depends on ones point of
view.

WH

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Sep 19, 2008, 11:36:32 AM9/19/08
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On Sep 19, 2:54 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 10:56 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > On Sep 18, 6:52 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> > >> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >> > On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for
> > >> >> Bill
> > >> >> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that,
> > >> >> we
> > >> >> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!
>
> > >> > That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
> > >> > Soviet Union in 1917.
> > >> >Look where it got them.
>
> > >> Where is that? Please explain...
>
> > > Read a book.
>
> > Besides, I did not mention anything about the Soviet Union in my post above.
> > You are the one who made that connection. Why should I read a book to find
> > out what you mean?
>
> Because your so-called "solution" to the money problem has already
> been tried, by Communists -- with disastrous results.

That depends on one's way of thinking. There are "old school"
communists who think of it in the same way you think of your beloved
capitalism. Which of you are right. If you talk about the poor in the
SU then be prepared to talk about the poor in yankieland...and other
western countries. If you insist on talking of the millions killed in
the name of communism be prepared to discuss the millions killed in
the name of capitalism...and religion. Everything...everything is
relative douglas!

WH

John Lemke

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Sep 19, 2008, 11:53:47 AM9/19/08
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On Sep 19, 3:46 am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Lemke has a few juicy points to make about the Rothschild family of
> England. These 'debt merchants' continued to foist their wares on an
> unsuspecting society, even after repeated episodes of throwing these
> bankers out on their ears. They are insidious though, and don't easily
> give up and leave.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

Good place to start on a fascinating story. Looks like much of what
is contained in the link is mainstream and pretty much squeaky clean.

Dig more and you'll get the blacker truth. Money made on war, control
and manipulation of economies etc. You'll find a number of wild,
crazy, anti-semitic (of course) sites about the Rothschilds. Strain
out the hatred, the wildest conspiracy theories, compare and balance
and you'll end up untangling a mystery that'll give you a great deal
of insight into the world and how it works.

Basically it's this. Debt = slavery and control.

If you want to see it in microcosm pick a third world country and see
how the World Bank and the IMF have used debt to gain control of
economic and political infrastructure to milk nations of their
wealth. Milk it in increasingly efficient ways.

Then look around you and realize you're going to end up the same way.
Slave, serf, whatever. Pick your own term.

Pers3id

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Sep 19, 2008, 7:37:41 PM9/19/08
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John Lemke <jfl...@locallink.net> wrote in news:76f90edb-327c-482d-bd08-
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.. until it backfires on them, like we're witnessing right now. I'm
convinced these periods of excess, then crash, are a direct result of
those banker 'milkings'. They thought they could suckle from the
system without affecting the system. Some of the smarter bankers
must realize they're the cause of this crisis.


>
> Then look around you and realize you're going to end up the same way.
> Slave, serf, whatever. Pick your own term.
>

--

Steven Douglas

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On Sep 19, 8:36 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sep 19, 2:54 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 18, 10:56 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > On Sep 18, 6:52 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> "Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >> > On Sep 18, 12:29 pm, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Why not just round up 100 of the richest men in the world (except for
> > > >> >> Bill
> > > >> >> Gates), throw them ALL in jail and steal all their money! After that,
> > > >> >> we
> > > >> >> just divide all their wealth between all of us. It should work!
>
> > > >> > That's what Communists do. That's what Lenin and Stalin did in the
> > > >> > Soviet Union in 1917.
> > > >> >Look where it got them.
>
> > > >> Where is that? Please explain...
>
> > > > Read a book.
>
> > > Besides, I did not mention anything about the Soviet Union in my post above.
> > > You are the one who made that connection. Why should I read a book to find
> > > out what you mean?
>
> > Because your so-called "solution" to the money problem has already
> > been tried, by Communists -- with disastrous results.
>
> That depends on one's way of thinking.

Yeah, I know your way of thinking -- warped.


>
> There are "old school"
> communists who think of it in the same way you think of your beloved
> capitalism.

I love my freedom, and the freedom of my fellow citizens. Those old
school communists you're talking about love to enslave people.


>
> Which of you are right.

I am.


>
> If you talk about the poor in the
> SU then be prepared to talk about the poor in yankieland...

The poor in "yankieland" have color TVs. Everyone in the Soviet Union
was equally poor (except for the leaders). They stood in lines for a
loaf of bread. Everyone in "yankieland" has the opportunity to excel.
Everyone in the Soviet Union had to follow state guidelines. And
before you tell me I wasn't there, I've talked with immigrants from
Communist hellholes who *escaped* from their countries (their
wording). They came here to be free -- to have opportunity. So don't
try to tell me Communism was just an alternative -- no better, no
worse -- to capitalism. Communism is worse, as it has demonstrated
without a doubt (unless one lives in a fantasy world, as you
apparently do).


>
> and other
> western countries. If you insist on talking of the millions killed in
> the name of communism be prepared to discuss the millions killed in
> the name of capitalism...and religion.

Communism killed more people during the 20th century than all
religions combined in the history of the world. And capitalism isn't a
political party that kills people the way the Communist Party did (and
still does in some places). Capitalism has improved the standard of
living for millions of people around the world.
>
> Everything...everything is relative douglas!

Only in your fantasy world.

John Lemke

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Sep 19, 2008, 10:09:42 PM9/19/08
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On Sep 19, 11:37 pm, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote in news:76f90edb-327c-482d-bd08-
> 3cfc53683...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

I'm obviously not an economist and each time I post on these things I
feel like I'm running the risk of getting pantsed.

But what about this idea that a capitalist system has to tear itself
down every 80 to 100years, fail if you will, and rebuild? Some of
this is just natural to the system. Most of what's going on now should
have been seen in advance.

How could the powers that be simply not see ahead of time what was
going to happen? Were they surprised that the trade agreements that
were made sent our manufacturing overseas? Have there been enough
bubbles in the past to anticipate what's happened with our housing
markets? The Fed making cheap money available for so long. Banks
making mortgages available on insanely stupid terms to completely
unqualified people. Did they really think that home values would
appreciate forever? Were they stupid enough to think we could run
banks and investment houses the same way they did in the 20's and
there wouldn't be another Great Depression?

You can blame general unbridled greed for what's going on now. But I
think someone, somewhere knew what would happen if you enabled general
unbridled greed.

So we'll see if they're smart enough to rebuild a system that happily
suits them.

Pers3id

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Sep 20, 2008, 2:10:24 AM9/20/08
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John Lemke <jfl...@locallink.net> wrote in news:281a9151-afe2-4b83-af1d-
0680e8...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

The way I view it (I'm not an economist either) is that unbridled
greed is a given, in fact it's assumed to exist, and certain individuals,
certain industries, are given control to do as they wish. Specifically,
the bankers were allowed to do pretty much as they wished. Any industry
at all, but banking/money creation especially, are assumed to benefit
the collective at the expense of any individual concerns. (I know, this
is starting to sounds marxist)

The real problem with the way bankers operate is that their business,
the business of controlling money, acting as the 'middle man' between
the producers and users of money, is that they've created a ponzi
scheme that *requires* a certain number of brand new suckers (debtors)
to be brought into the system constantly, or else the system crashes.
It's an unsustainable system, which crashes periodically, and
predictably, so that in the interim (between the crashes) the control
of the money and growth will in fact be steady and predictable.

The system isn't set up to benefit individual consumers so much as
it is set up to ensure a certain amount of very predictable growth
(and even the growth itself is illusory, as a 5% annual asset price
increase is required to pay the 5% annual percentage rate on the
loan into perpetuity... over time as more is sucked out of the
system than put into it, and as there are fewer and fewer new
suckers taking out loans, the system predictably crashes).

A 'snapshot' of the system at any given point in time shows 95%
of the wealth concentrated with about 1% of the population, and
this is the goal, to control and mass the wealth among a very
few individuals. The excesses happen because a certain minimum
return on money is required by those in control, all the while
there are fewer and fewer new suckers being brought into the
system to feed it. With a set required return, and fewer 'suckers'
feeding the system, the result is that greater risk is taken to
continue achieving the same return (this is what we witnessed with
all the predatory lending of the past 4 years). Ponzi schemes
invariably collapse because they run out of suckers.


> So we'll see if they're smart enough to rebuild a system that happily
> suits them.

WH

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Sep 20, 2008, 2:54:27 AM9/20/08
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You make loads of excuses for the killing of innocent Iraqi's and I'm
the warped thinker? Hmmm. OK. You got me there.


> > There are "old school"
> > communists who think of it in the same way you think of your beloved
> > capitalism.
>
> I love my freedom, and the freedom of my fellow citizens. Those old
> school communists you're talking about love to enslave people.

You have no more "freedom" in fact these days you have less than most
other countries around the world. Stop bullshitting. What it says on
your historical pieces of paper is rubbish...and that's all they are,
pieces of paper.

> > Which of you are right.
>
> I am.

That was a rhetorical question really. You're not any more right than
anyone else with a different point of view...you just "think" you
are...and I'm supposed to be the "warped" thinker.

> > If you talk about the poor in the
> > SU then be prepared to talk about the poor in yankieland...
>
> The poor in "yankieland" have color TVs. Everyone in the Soviet Union
> was equally poor (except for the leaders). They stood in lines for a
> loaf of bread. Everyone in "yankieland" has the opportunity to excel.
> Everyone in the Soviet Union had to follow state guidelines. And
> before you tell me I wasn't there, I've talked with immigrants from
> Communist hellholes who *escaped* from their countries (their
> wording). They came here to be free -- to have opportunity. So don't
> try to tell me Communism was just an alternative -- no better, no
> worse -- to capitalism. Communism is worse, as it has demonstrated
> without a doubt (unless one lives in a fantasy world, as you
> apparently do).

So you've talked to "immigrants from communist hellholes" have you?
Hmmm, me too! I've also talked to yankie ex-pats who say the same
about America. Not that it's a communist hellhole of course but that
it's capitalist hellhole. If you have money in America then yes you
are a lot "free'er" than if you haven't.


> > and other
> > western countries. If you insist on talking of the millions killed in
> > the name of communism be prepared to discuss the millions killed in
> > the name of capitalism...and religion.
>
> Communism killed more people during the 20th century than all
> religions combined in the history of the world. And capitalism isn't a
> political party that kills people the way the Communist Party did (and
> still does in some places). Capitalism has improved the standard of
> living for millions of people around the world.

Communism did not kill more people during the 20th century than all
religions combined in the history of the world you twat! I didn't say
that capitalism is a political party either...where do you get these
things from? Capitalism has yes improved the standard of living for
millions of people...problem those millions of people are all yanks.
Around the world, America in it's "fight" for capitalism since WWII
has killed, or caused the killing of approx. 40 million people.
"Fighting" for capitalism. Communism didn't do any worse than that!

> > Everything...everything is relative douglas!
>
> Only in your fantasy world.

Everything is relative douglas!

WH

John Lemke

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On Sep 20, 6:10 am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote in news:281a9151-afe2-4b83-af1d-
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Before I have to race off to work this morning I just wanted to toss
this out there. I don't necessarily agree with the owner of this
site. It is somewhat interesting.

And I do like the photography on the home page. VOR is standing on
the far right.

http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/the-economic-meltdown-is-no-accident/

WH

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That's the douglas in the middle isin't it?

WH

Werewolfy

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On 19 Sep, 02:48, "Mike" <m...@nike.com> wrote:

> Thanks for watching and commenting though. I confess I haven't watched the
> whole thing yet. �Too long for one sitting! �But, I enjoy a similar
> lifestyle to you. I don't use or need any credit either.

It was hard work, watching..but I perservered. Not too sure if I have
learned a lot..nowhere near as interesting as nebulae forming into
stars, Mike.

That's interesting about use of credit. |I thought I was the only
person on the Planet who hated the silly system. I loath this 'Buy
now, pay later ' thing.
If I have the money, and I want it..I buy it. If I want it, but can't
afford it, I don't. Simple really.

I've just bought a rather nicer house to live in..it's in Burnham on
Sea, a sleepy Seaside town. Not too far from Bridgwater, about 15
miles, and a much nicer house. I needed an extra 80, 000 of your
Dollars to buy it though..that's after selling my house. I don't
believe in Mortgages..Damned things are a burden. So, I kept busy
buying and selling dead animals..that finally paid for the price
difference.
If I couldn't make that money, well, I simply would not have bought
the house.

Like you, I don't 'need' money at all. I hate food, eating out, social
events and clothes..wear an old black leather jacket and jeans night
and day..no other wardrobe. I just couldn't live comfortably with the
spectre of debt..mortgage, credit card, overdraft etc.

Life is..less stressful this way. There are already too many Imps and
Demons that beset one on a daily basis. Credit is a huge Ogre that
tears people apart.

Werewolfy


Woodswun

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Sep 20, 2008, 9:28:14 AM9/20/08
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On Sep 20, 8:43 am, Werewolfy <thepheasantpluck...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

It sounds lovely - good for you!

Woods

Werewolfy

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On 20 Sep, 14:28, Woodswun <woods...@hotmail.com> wrote:

"It sounds lovely - good for you!"

It's less...anxious, Woodsy. That makes life a little easier. I have
enough...odd concerns...without worrying about debt too!

Actually, the 'credit trap' is made to be so easy to fall into. No
wonder so many people do..it's bombarded at you via advertisements on
television, Street signs, pasted on the sides of 'busses..everywhere.
Everyone I know..umm that's not true (don't know anyone!) everyone my
wife knows, all have debt and credit card problems. Jude is like me,
her needs are few and wouldn't ever consider credit as a way of buying
something.
Anyway, whatever you want is always a lot cheaper when you produce a
pocketful of bank notes...good way to get a bargain!

Still, the world seems to revolve around credit. I just don't like
being part of that world...;)

Ricky


WH

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Wolfy you have to do it properly man :-) I have always a debt of say
100,000sek, take away a zero to make it pounds. But I get tax relief
for that. You can't take it with you either. So if I kick the bucket
it's written off. Usually every two years or so I top it up. Gives me
loads of travelling or otherwise money...fuckin' great. I'de rather
die owing the bastards than them owing me :-)

(Something strange with the fonts when I write these days)!

WH

Mike

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"WH" <bol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nah! Steven is not in that picture!
He would be the pile of smelly sheep poop pebbles on the floor under the
sheep. I don't know why he was cut out of the picture!

WH

Pers3id

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John Lemke <jfl...@locallink.net> wrote in
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The collapse of the dollar being planned for decades is a bit
far-fetched (IMHO). The elite like to control things and make gobs
of money, but they're no smarter than you or me. VOR has that
"what's happening" look on his face.. and I think that's poetry
right next to him thinking "I'm with him".

Stephen of course is off trying to gnaw his way out of the
barbed wire with his teeth. He knows there is something else
out there, but he just hasn't learned to use tools yet. :)


--
Fringe elements of the neo-conservative movement
are leading the sheep astray. - R. Foreman, 2008

John Lemke

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> >http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/the-economic-meltdown-is-no-...

> > dent/
>
> The collapse of the dollar being planned for decades is a bit
> far-fetched (IMHO). The elite like to control things and make gobs
> of money, but they're no smarter than you or me. VOR has that
> "what's happening" look on his face.. and I think that's poetry
> right next to him thinking "I'm with him".
>
> Stephen of course is off trying to gnaw his way out of the
> barbed wire with his teeth. He knows there is something else
> out there, but he just hasn't learned to use tools yet. :)

That's why he hasn't been saying much.

And he knows there's not enough time left to learn tools.

John Lemke

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>
> That's the douglas in the middle isin't it?
>
> WH-

Steven in the middle? Are you kidding? Like Randy said, Stevies
still out there on the fringe.

Woodswun

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> > That's the douglas in the middle isin't it?
>
> > WH-
>
> Steven in the middle?  Are you kidding?  Like Randy said, Stevies
> still out there on the fringe.

I'm pretty sure it was a reference to being the black sheep of the
group. ;-)

Woods

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