Religious views of Albert Einstein

[Mike]

Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He
said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not
in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an
agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist,
preferring, he said an "attitude of humility corresponding to the
weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own
being."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

[Doc]

Possibly to help validate godliness exists, the five major religions
think humans can become immortal by pleasing their gods.

Death is but a momentary inconvenience, a fleeting fear and possibly
painfulness leading to everlasting painlessness and unbridled joy.

Transitioning from the finite frailness of human physicality, believers
are promised a "perfect world" of eternal existence in another realm, in
another physical form.

We're not promised the powers of creation, however, or granted the
ability to change water into wine, for example, but it's to be
considered a second-tier godliness.

I don't know about you, but I'm seriously wondering how a painless,
"perfect" eternity of countless eons would be assimilated by the human
mind. Not to worry, say believers: it'll be just fine because all the
emotional pitfalls of the previous plane of existence will have been
erased permanently. Fear, hatred, boredom, loneliness, anger, greed,
cowardice, obsession, compulsion, selfishness, egotism, et al, will no
longer vex the previously very troubled human consciousness.

Yet, my intuitive feeling is quite strong about these claims, my doubts
even stronger.

Does this mean that the millions of planets with intelligent beings will
be transformed similarly after death?

Literally, this would be an staggering number of godly perfect beings in
some kind of ethereal existence.

I wonder if this could cause a terrible congestion, an overpopulation
of little second-tier gods? Is there enough room out there, I wonder, in
the other realms for all the transformed beings?

Doc

[Mike]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:21:40 -0700, Doc <mfuf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I wonder if this could cause a terrible congestion, an overpopulation
>of little second-tier gods? Is there enough room out there, I wonder, in
>the other realms for all the transformed beings?

How many angels can sit on the head of a pin?

[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:m1f5q89h9h82p4u7s...@4ax.com...

How many pins to anchor an Angel's girdle ?

[Amos]

There is no congestion, or overpopulation of beings in the afterlife.
Once you go towards the light, there is only the Singularity of the
Unconscious Mind.

Amos
http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Doc]

So, you know of someone who's been there and come back to authenticate
the belief?
Doc

[Doc]

heeheeheeheehee...you're assuming they're all female, right? It would
seem sex has no real place in the "afterlife" since there's very little
said about it in any belief system. Therefore, the angels should be
adorned with "unisex" garments, IMO.
If we are to think "apparitions" witnessed are humans in an afterlife,
perhaps "purgatory," then there are some accounts of those beings having
sex. And of course, they're often wearing the appropriate
gender-specific garments they wore while living. (I don't think there
must be laundry facilities in the afterlife, and that does appeal to me.
I hate washing and drying.)
Doc

[Doc]

Are you indicating that there's no chance of congestion of "soul
entities" then?

You see, I have this image of "soul" energy balls moving about in great
numbers in each particular ethereal plane that might be designated for
each planet. Or, if not, I might imagine that the "souls" have no
territorial restrictions, and are moving about all over the universe. If
the latter is possible, then it would seem they'd have plenty of room to
roam. But, I'm thinking of how old the universe might be and how many
billions of civilizations are either here or have been or even will be -
and that's a helluva' lot of souls!! LOL!

I don't know what "souls" do over an eternity - their communities,
interrelationships, activities, etc. - as do not all other humans know
of, either. The inconceivability of this concept of intelligent beings
existing forever and ever simply keeps me from any belief it's a
reality. If we are to "merge" into a universal godhead and give up our
individual self-identities, then I'm wondering how this "pan-God"
personality would eventually be. Or perhaps "personality" doesn't apply?
Maybe Christians' idea that God has made all of us in "his" image
applies, then? We've all got mostly the personality of what created us,
so therefore, it doesn't matter if we merge into the thing where we all
came from. I keep thinking, however, why were we separated in the first
place? LOL!

You can see how religious or spiritual thoughts like these have millions
around the world babbling incoherently in asylums or wandering in and
out of mental health centers on lots of "stabilizing" drugs, can't you?

Doc

[Doc]

On 5/23/2013 12:39 AM, Mike wrote:

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/albert_einstein_2.html#HYs3WS2xGv2fsBL2.99

[Amos]

There is no coming back to explain it to anyone once you are there, as
the singularity of the Unconscious Mind is all that is.

Amos
http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Mike]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT), Amos
<ga...@placeoftheskull.com> wrote:

>There is no coming back to explain it to anyone once you are there, as
>the singularity of the Unconscious Mind is all that is.
>

I had the understanding we loose memory upon entry or decent into this
physical manafestation, so memory is not really the best indicator of
an after or before.

Besides, time is only an illusion and doesn't exist outside the
preception of a being, so to contemplate 'before' or 'after' while in
this 3D reality is a bit meaningless in respect to 'soul energy'.




>Amos
>http://www.placeoftheskull.com/
>

[Doc]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message

news:8pr7q81phimpl02d4...@4ax.com...

To read your posts over the past few years, I'm beginning to wonder what you
think is "real" in any sense.
Time's an illusion, life's an illusion, space is an illusion...possibly
you're an illusion, too?
LOL!
When you die, I suppose that will be an illusion.
You'll find, however, that it's not an illusion to feel the pain of someone
you love who's died.
Nor any other intense emotion we commonly experience.
Maybe the pain of living has made you seek finding justification for
believing so much in "illusion."
Doc

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>>Amos
>>http://www.placeoftheskull.com/
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[Mike]

No.... it's simple metaphysics. I learnet it mostly in books, and by
studying my own life and how thoughts and preceptions come into
existance and bring things into existance.

All is illusion....!!! The only thing real your exact experience at
this exace moment.......!!!!




>Doc
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>>>Amos
>>>http://www.placeoftheskull.com/
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[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:qt68q8p5b88i2a6p9...@4ax.com...

That's a complete contradiction in itself.

First you say "ALL is an illusion", ................... and then you say "the only thing that is real is right here and right now".

That's twisted, sister.

Are you an illusion ? Are your posts illusions ? Are you real ? Are you real at this moment ? Were you real yesterday ? (sorry about the time thingies).

[Mike]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 21:58:06 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
<rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:

>That's twisted, sister.
>

I know it's sad and depressing but that's the only game in town.
That's just how life is and is how God made it. Some call it the
'grand dichotomy'..... Others prefer the yang and the
yang.....existence itself is a complete and utter paradox and was made
that way for a reason......

[Doc]

The "singularity" of mind that is created from the merging of plural
identities is one of the basic tenets of fascism...in this plane of
existence.
If one is to relinquish their individual identity which is unique in the
processing of information and its interpretation (i.e., reality) to a
mind that has no use for the various different perceptions and
experiences, then what you are saying is that it is that singular mind
that is the "personality" that is important beyond all those that are
integrated into it.
I don't like the sound of that.
It speaks of like giving up all of one's uniqueness to become undefined
individually, redefined by that one colossal mind.
One would think that if that mind is the final ultimate destination of
all individual consciousness, then it'd be difficult to comprehend why
we ever had individualistic processing and interpretation.
So, I suppose knowing what the colossal unconscious "knows" to be
"truth" will finally be known in the melding, which, again, makes me
wonder why the time and effort for individuals to have been created in
the first place.
It'd be like taking the canvas painters' highly individualistic works of
impression and expression, and repainting them as one scene - and
calling it the only valid truth of what is seen and experienced. And
labeling all others' perceptions as falsity and insignificant.
I don't think I like your grand "Unconscious Mind" that supposedly
awaits us.
It's a trip I'd just as soon fucking skip.
Doc

[Doc]

No, it's man that has "made it that way" - abstractions that have been
accepted as truth or reality according to what suits the interpreter, or
buyer of such viewpoints.

We're talking about theories of reality - and the one huge chunk of it
has no validation - what happens, if anything, after death.

It is a vast and often frightening unknown which has given rise to many
ideas that "life in an illusion" or that we await "eternalness"
somewhere or that a colossal consciousness is standing by to absorb all
our individual consciousnesses.

Fears of death, or just not knowing what is beyond this life, if
anything, leads to many "delusions" - more common that "illusions" to
this species' individual mindsets.

Comforting as they may be, delusions are often mistaken for illusions,
but they share features, I will admit.

I know that I breathe and live, and that I keep dying a bit every day,
and will wither and die. My physical body will cease to function. Since
the brain feeds on it, it will likely die with it. If there is something
else inside me, like a "soul" energy, I will most probably only know of
it at the moment of death or shortly afterward.

All else is speculation, theory, belief, and, yes, delusion. I will only
know the "truth" of all things unknown if any of my theories or thoughts
are validated as to life existing beyond this physical existence.

And that will take death to validate it. No illusion there, Mike.
Hard fucking reality up a human's yazoo. LOL!

Doc

[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:6ta8q8dr7raqegi4c...@4ax.com...

| On Mon, 27 May 2013 21:58:06 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
| <rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:
|
| >That's twisted, sister.
| >
|
| I know it's sad and depressing but that's the only game in town.

LOLOLOL !!! I don't know if u were intending it or not, ...... but that made me chuckle !

| That's just how life is and is how God made it. Some call it the
| 'grand dichotomy'..... Others prefer the yang and the
| yang.....

I prefer a little of the yin and the yang, myself. And while they may well be simple perceptions ...... there are at least opposing alternatives. I'm not familiar with the yang and the yang.

existence itself is a complete and utter paradox and was made
| that way for a reason......

Well we can certainly dream it ................. but discussing it brings me back to the human/train collision scenario. I still maintain that would be real messy and real. The amount of time consumed would depend on the speed of the train.

|
|

[Mike]

You are missing the concept a bit, because the 'individual' must exist
only as a 'fragments of the collective', or else it wouldn't be
'unique' or exist. To 'exist' means to be unique, or separated out
from the collective identity or Universe.

The 'collective' is like the data stored on your hard drive, and the
'individual' is analogous to the data current being processed by
current program while the 'Now' is the date currently in the CPU (
usually what's hitting your screen at the moment) and analogous to
'now' or 'current' or 'presenrt .

It's a paradox, but both the individual and collective must exist
symultaneously to get the wheel of life or or change into acton. The
nature of reality (both physics and metaphysics) is change.

>One would think that if that mind is the final ultimate destination of
>all individual consciousness, then it'd be difficult to comprehend why
>we ever had individualistic processing and interpretation.
>So, I suppose knowing what the colossal unconscious "knows" to be
>"truth" will finally be known in the melding, which, again, makes me
>wonder why the time and effort for individuals to have been created in
>the first place.
>It'd be like taking the canvas painters' highly individualistic works of
>impression and expression, and repainting them as one scene - and
>calling it the only valid truth of what is seen and experienced. And
>labeling all others' perceptions as falsity and insignificant.
>I don't think I like your grand "Unconscious Mind" that supposedly
>awaits us.
>It's a trip I'd just as soon fucking skip.

There is only one energy in the Universe and you are it. There is no
way to experience 'reality' except in slivers at a time or as a being
or individual......


>Doc
>
>

[Mike]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:31:33 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
<rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>Well we can certainly dream it ................. but discussing it brings me back to the human/train collision scenario.
>I still maintain that would be real messy and real.
>The amount of time consumed would depend on the speed of the train.

After you die none of that will be important at all. It could be
compared to a bad nightmear and one you didn't even remember at that
too........

[Mike]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 21:21:44 -0700, Doc <mfuf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 5/27/2013 9:05 PM, Mike wrote:

>
>We're talking about theories of reality - and the one huge chunk of it
>has no validation - what happens, if anything, after death.

...... that's all I'm saying too.... while trapped in this this body,
all we can have and can process are 'theories' ......so why not
theorize to our hearts content?




>
>Doc

[Mike]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:31:33 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
<rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:

>I'm not familiar with the yang and the yang.

I wish I could say more, but intuition tells me I should keep my mouth
shut!!!

[Amos]

There is no *individual* supreme being, God, Ego, or Dictator, if that
is what you are worried about. *Individuality* of itself is simply a
temporary state created by the one and only Unconscious Mind, through
the Waters of it's Great Subconscious Womb.

Amos
http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Amos]

All these emotions are born from our here and now experience of
*individuality* and they feel very real, but ultimately all these
things will be revealed as an illusion created by that old serpent
sensate.

Amos
http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Amos]

On 28 May, 00:51, Mike <m...@ike.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT), Amos
>

> <g...@placeoftheskull.com> wrote:
> >There is no coming back to explain it to anyone once you are there, as
> >the singularity of the Unconscious Mind is all that is.
>
> I had the understanding we loose memory upon entry or decent into this
> physical manafestation, so memory is not really the best indicator of
> an after or before.
>
> Besides, time is only an illusion and doesn't exist outside the
> preception of a being, so to contemplate  'before' or 'after' while in
> this 3D reality is a bit meaningless in respect to 'soul energy'.
>

Indeed time is an illusion, so when you reach the point of singularity
that is the Unconscious Mind, there is no longer any *individuality*,
or differential. Hence no going back!

If you wish to come back, then you must not enter the light!

Amos
http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Claude Latremouille]

Amos (ga...@placeoftheskull.com) writes:

[...]

> Indeed time is an illusion, so when you reach the point of singularity
> that is the Unconscious Mind, there is no longer any *individuality*,
> or differential. Hence no going back!
>
> If you wish to come back, then you must not enter the light!
>
> Amos

What an incredible load of bullshit! The moron does not have
a clue as to what time is; and yet, he pontificates about
prophecy, about astrology, about everything which has to do
with time. Swell!

Claude Latrémouille
May 28, 2013

=== cla...@torfree.net ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================

[Amos]

On 28 May, 11:21, cj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:

> Amos (g...@placeoftheskull.com) writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Indeed time is an illusion, so when you reach the point of singularity
> > that is the Unconscious Mind, there is no longer any *individuality*,
> > or differential. Hence no going back!
>
> > If you wish to come back, then you must not enter the light!
>
> > Amos
>
> What an incredible load of bullshit! The moron does not have
> a clue as to what time is; and yet, he pontificates about
> prophecy, about astrology, about everything which has to do
> with time. Swell!
>
> Claude Latrémouille
> May 28, 2013
>

Oh really! Don't blame me for the delusions created by your own self-
centredness, Claude!

Amos

http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Amos]

How about you tell us mere mortals about what time is beyond the
individuality of your conscious senses then, Claude!

I state that it is *Ultimately* an illusion created by the conscious
senses..

Amos

http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:mje8q8h3cjqc7365m...@4ax.com...

| On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:31:33 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
| <rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:
|
| >
| >Well we can certainly dream it ................. but discussing it brings me back to the human/train collision scenario.
| >I still maintain that would be real messy and real.
| >The amount of time consumed would depend on the speed of the train.
|
| After you die none of that will be important at all.

"AFTER YOU DIE". There .... you've said it yourself. So evidently you do believe it (the train) to matter whilst alive ...... IOW that incoming hunk of steel IS more than an illusion.

[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:6kg8q8996avc5i7vj...@4ax.com...

Always trust your intuition !
|
|

[Rod's SHAW]

"Amos" <ga...@placeoftheskull.com> wrote in message news:30abd0a2-6bd3-4b60...@o10g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

Sell that theory to the dinosaur herd. Sell that theory to my aging knees.

Amos

http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Rod's SHAW]

"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:ksb8q81ga69tjdtgl...@4ax.com...

THAT ... is utter bullshit !

[Doc]

So, let me get this straight: The Creator (referred to as something else
by you) of humans has allowed individual personalities to exist only to
gather them up at the end of their life spans inside its unfathomable
universal self to essentially re-assemble those itsy-bitsy "parts" it
has farmed out to this planet or plane to make itself "whole" again,
repeating the process endlessly.

It takes in the parts (individual personalities, energies, entities,
consciousnesses, what have you!) that it has created and placed on a
planet or plane, so that each one can have individual experiences,
perceptions of reality, et al, but essentially by gathering them up, the
tiny parts of its whole give it the fuel to give it its energy of creation.

Have I more or less got this down? LOL! IOW, the Deity has no
personality of itself, it simply creates tiny entities to develop theirs
in their life spans, then lose their individual identities at the end,
and journey to the Creator to provide it with some kind of completeness,
energy, so it can keep creating.

LOL! OH well, it's just a fucking theory. It just seems self-defeating
for we tiny parts of the whole, so to speak, to lose all that we've
gained and merge into some blob that has no individual personality. If
it has none, then, it's even worse to me. A big glob of consciousness
and creative energies that is like a cold manufacturing source.

So, where is the Christian concept that we teeny-weeny parts of the
whole are in the image of the big blob? LOL! The blob has no
personality, no feelings, no thoughts? It is not in any sense an
"individual" as we little manufactured parts are? You can't sit down
with it and have a beer and hear its ideas about the universe come
blubbering out of its mouth. OH, I'm sorry, it has no mouth. No
orifices, at all, I suppose.

Let me just call it "Big Brainy Blob Bob"!! heeheehee...I can't really
relate to something like a mass of floating intelligent Jello ready to
suck me into it when I die. Sorry. It needs a friendly familiar name and
something that has an physical image like this species' members.

LOL!!!

Doc

[Doc]

My same reaction, sorry to say. You see, this is exactly what sadly
happens when a mutation morphs off a primate, Rod. LOL!
Even if it's taken hundreds of thousands of years of "evolution" to try
to get a handle on its mutated brain, it still struggles with it today.
The struggle manifests in taking a vast unknown part of our existence,
of the things about us, here and everywhere in the universe, and try to
fucking make rational sense of it - how it got to be that way, how we
and all life originated, and what, if any, is the damned "purpose" to
it, and where is the whole crazy thing going to end up?!
It always gets down to such an entanglement of abstract thinking,
quasi-facts, theories, hypotheses, and just plain "wild thoughts" that
seem to have a life of their own as the discussions twist and turn on
this messy subject.
Man, do we want to so badly know what we do not know! It just pains us
greatly.
If you feel your head, like I do, beginning to clog up in this thread
like a drunk trying to do an algorithm, you're not alone.
Doc

[Mike]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:10:52 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"

<rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>"Mike" <m...@ike.com> wrote in message news:mje8q8h3cjqc7365m...@4ax.com...
>| On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:31:33 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
>| <rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:
>|
>| >
>| >Well we can certainly dream it ................. but discussing it brings me back to the human/train collision scenario.
>| >I still maintain that would be real messy and real.
>| >The amount of time consumed would depend on the speed of the train.
>|
>| After you die none of that will be important at all.
>
>"AFTER YOU DIE". There .... you've said it yourself. So evidently you do believe it (the train) to matter whilst alive ......


>IOW that incoming hunk of steel IS more than an illusion.

The incoming hunk of steal is 'more than an illusion', but only at the
moment of perception. Then one must also consider the perceiver or
observer of the event. Who is doing the preceiving?

The 'reality' of the event or observation will be interpreted quite
different for :

a.) the person who got crushed and is now dead
b.) A bystander observing the event.
c.) The memory or trace of a an eye witness in someone's brain
d.) A news report based what we call 'evidence'
d.) People like us hypothesizing and discussing a potential event.

Which of the options above are 'real' and which are 'illusions'?

[Mike]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:15:36 -0600, "Rod's SHAW"
<rod....@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:


>Sell that theory to my aging knees.

I heard that collogen gives remarkable results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collagen

[Mike]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 17:47:23 -0700, Doc <mfuf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My same reaction, sorry to say. You see, this is exactly what sadly
>happens when a mutation morphs off a primate, Rod. LOL!
>Even if it's taken hundreds of thousands of years of "evolution" to try
>to get a handle on its mutated brain, it still struggles with it today.
>The struggle manifests in taking a vast unknown part of our existence,
>of the things about us, here and everywhere in the universe, and try to
>fucking make rational sense of it - how it got to be that way, how we
>and all life originated, and what, if any, is the damned "purpose" to
>it, and where is the whole crazy thing going to end up?!
>It always gets down to such an entanglement of abstract thinking,
>quasi-facts, theories, hypotheses, and just plain "wild thoughts" that
>seem to have a life of their own as the discussions twist and turn on
>this messy subject.
>Man, do we want to so badly know what we do not know! It just pains us
>greatly.
>If you feel your head, like I do, beginning to clog up in this thread
>like a drunk trying to do an algorithm, you're not alone.

That's what I'm saying too. Except, since it's impossible to know
anyhow, why not just make it up, or invent what you like, whatever
suits your needs?

It sure saves all the trouble of wondering what is 'true' and which
are 'false'. So long as you personally know something as 'true',
that's all that matters.





>Doc

[Amos]

Resistance is futile. We are the Borg. You will be assimilated!

Amos

http://www.placeoftheskull.com/

[Amos]

On 29 May, 01:15, "Rod's SHAW" <rod.g...@removethis.shaw.ca> wrote:
> "Amos" <g...@placeoftheskull.com> wrote in messagenews:30abd0a2-6bd3-4b60...@o10g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

"People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction
between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent
illusion." - Albert Einstein

Amos

http://www.placeoftheskull.com/