Videl's full moon at 6 minutes in the morning
Anonymous
submitted by Peter Lemesurier on Thursday 07 Sep 2000 11:29:00 GMT:
>"...I return to your errors and ignorances for the month of January
>1555. You say that the full moon of the 7th will be at 6 minutes in
>the morning. Why do you say a six minutes, you duffer? For the full
>moon will be on the said day after 8 o'clock in the evening and not at
>6 minutes in the morning. Straight after that you say that you do not
>dare to declare what will happen that year. Why did you use such
>tricks -- if not so that you should be summoned to the Court?
I haven't seen the text from which Peter has "translated" this, but
in this instance I'm pleased to cite his own version for reference.
This file is updated using Valentin Abramov's improved version of
Astrolog v5.41F w/ Swiss Ephemeris and his improved fixstars.ast;
it is extremely accurate, and charts given reflect this accuracy.
In Salon-de-Provence, the cosmic descendant of Monday, January 7,
anno Domini 1555 commenced the metonic calendar date of 16 Shebat
5315--a full moon rising on the ascendant 6 minutes before sunset:
Mon Jan 7, 1555 4:39:04 PM LMT GMT
+0:20 Salon-de-Provence 5:06E 43:38N
Body S_Longitude Z_Placement Latitude
Aldebaran :000.0000000 15Tau00'00" -5:29'58"
Equinox :296.4269699 11Pis25'37" +0:00'00"
*Moon :052.0484822 07Can02'55" +2:04'34"
*Ascendant :052.0490794 07Can02'57" _________
Sun :233.3229397 08Cap19'23" -0:00'00"
Descendant:232.0490794 07Cap02'57" _________
East Point:031.9864010 16Gem59'11" _________
Mon Jan 7, 1555 4:45:34 PM LMT GMT
+0:20 Salon-de-Provence 5:06E 43:38N
Body S_Longitude Z_Placement Latitude
Aldebaran :000.0000000 15Tau00'00" -5:29'58"
Equinox :296.4269698 11Pis25'37" +0:00'00"
*Sun :233.3275301 08Cap19'39" -0:00'00"
*Descendant:233.3287896 08Cap19'44" _________
Moon :052.1036128 07Can06'13" +2:04'50"
Ascendant :053.3287896 08Can19'44" _________
East Point:033.4841614 18Gem29'03" _________
Mon Jan 7, 1555 7:23:06 PM LMT GMT
+0:20 Salon-de-Provence 5:06E 43:38N
Body S_Longitude Z_Placement Latitude
Aldebaran :000.0000000 15Tau00'00" -5:29'58"
Equinox :296.4269719 11Pis25'37" +0:00'00"
*Sun :233.4387787 08Cap26'20" -0:00'00"
*Moon :053.4388641 08Can26'20" +2:11'32"
East Point:071.1284224 26Can07'42" _________
Ascendant :083.5795090 08Leo34'46" _________
Descendant:263.5795090 08Aqu34'46" _________
Notably, this same calculation made for Venice (Venezia)
at 12:21E 45:27N GMT +0:49, finds the lunar ascendant at
4:31:37 PM LMT, and the cosmic descendant at 4:39:40 PM,
a difference of 8 minutes 3 seconds, thus demonstrating
that Nostradamus calculated these for Salon-de-Provence,
not Venice et al as was devised by so many inept critics.
(their blunder was not giving Nosty the credit he's due)
As in this example, with the "full moon 6 minutes in the
morning" as calculated, we see that the lunar disc first
crested the local horizon (estimated 300 meters a.s.l.)
at 4:37:23 PM LMT and was seen full (weather permitting)
at 4:40:47 PM (no discernable dark limb at 1.000 phase,
phase angle: 2.4d, elongation 177.6d, apparent diameter
1794.84"); & the solar disc first tangent to the western
horizon at 4:43:51 PM LMT, then fully set at 4:47:15 PM,
which at that location, and on that date, was the cosmic
descendant as *observed* (apparent diameter 1949.99") &
using default parameters for temperature, pressure, etc.
Given the near-equal apparent diameter of the solar and
lunar disc, the time from the full moon observed to the
(observed) sunset is nearly identical to the geocentric
calculation as given; in this case, as from 4:40:47 PM
to 4:47:15 PM, a difference of **6 minutes 28 seconds**
favoring the cited "6 minute" figure as is rounded off.
&So in either case, geocentric or topocentric, we find
that Nostradamus' calculations are pristinely accurate.
In the court of astronomical-astrological calculation,
Michel Nostradamus is found guilty of being the master
astronomer-astrologue-astrophile extraordinnaire. See?
Enjoy to the Nines!
Daniel Joseph Min
Peter Lemesurier
ephemeridal trees, can you? ;)
At 'six minutes in the morning' of 7th January 1555 (Julian), on the
basis of Placidus, the sun was in some 26 degrees 13 minutes of
Capricorn, while the moon was in some 17 degrees 20 minutes of Cancer.
This means that the moon was almost 9 degrees away from being full.
At '8 o'clock in the evening', the sun was in 27 degrees 3 minutes of
Capricorn, and the moon was in 27 degrees 29 minutes of Cancer. This
means that the moon was almost exactly full.
Even allowing for longitudinal time-differences, it is thus easy to
see that you and Nostradamus are wrong, and Videl right, however much
technical verbiage you may care to put up as a smokescreen.
Granted, Videl assumed that Nostradamus was using Pitatus's tables,
which were calculated for the meridian of Venice. In fact, though, as
Brind'Amour has shown, he was using Simus's, which were calculated for
the meridian of Bologna. Since the two are longitudinally only 1
degree apart, the confusion is understandable.
There were no known tables for Salon-de-Provence. Nostradamus was not
only incapable of preparing his own, but hadn't the foggiest idea of
how to interpolate for Salon on the basis of Bologna either!
--
Peter
Peter Lemesurier
<lem...@bengal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Oh dear, Danny boy, you really can't see the factual wood for the
>ephemeridal trees, can you? ;)
>
>At 'six minutes in the morning' of 7th January 1555 (Julian), on the
>basis of Placidus,
(actually you can forget about Placidus: his is merely the
house-system used by my ephemeris program!)
> the sun was in some 26 degrees 13 minutes of
>Capricorn, while the moon was in some 17 degrees 20 minutes of Cancer.
>This means that the moon was almost 9 degrees away from being full.
>
>At '8 o'clock in the evening', the sun was in 27 degrees 3 minutes of
>Capricorn, and the moon was in 27 degrees 29 minutes of Cancer. This
>means that the moon was almost exactly full.
>
>Even allowing for longitudinal time-differences, it is thus easy to
>see that you and Nostradamus are wrong, and Videl right, however much
>technical verbiage you may care to put up as a smokescreen.
>
>Granted, Videl assumed that Nostradamus was using Pitatus's tables,
>which were calculated for the meridian of Venice. In fact, though, as
>Brind'Amour has shown, he was using Simus's, which were calculated for
>the meridian of Bologna. Since the two are longitudinally only 1
>degree apart, the confusion is understandable.
>
>There were no known tables for Salon-de-Provence. Nostradamus was not
>only incapable of preparing his own, but hadn't the foggiest idea of
>how to interpolate for Salon on the basis of Bologna either!
For what it's worth, with Salon at 5 degrees 06 minutes East, and
Bologna at 11 degrees 20 minutes East, the above astrological
situations would have seemed to observers at those places to take
place some 20 minutes and 45 minutes later in their local days
respectively -- which fits Videl's statement perfectly.
--
Peter
lordm...@my-deja.com
Have someone else do your charts. I don't think your competent!
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Before you buy.
Claude Latremouille
>Oh dear, Danny boy, you really can't see the factual wood for the
>ephemeridal trees, can you? ;)
>
>At 'six minutes in the morning' of 7th January 1555 (Julian), on the
>basis of Placidus, the sun was in some 26 degrees 13 minutes of
>Capricorn, while the moon was in some 17 degrees 20 minutes of Cancer.
>This means that the moon was almost 9 degrees away from being full.
>
>At '8 o'clock in the evening', the sun was in 27 degrees 3 minutes of
>Capricorn, and the moon was in 27 degrees 29 minutes of Cancer. This
>means that the moon was almost exactly full.
>
>Even allowing for longitudinal time-differences, it is thus easy to
>see that you and Nostradamus are wrong, and Videl right, however much
>technical verbiage you may care to put up as a smokescreen.
>
>Granted, Videl assumed that Nostradamus was using Pitatus's tables,
>which were calculated for the meridian of Venice. In fact, though, as
>Brind'Amour has shown, he was using Simus's, which were calculated for
>the meridian of Bologna. Since the two are longitudinally only 1
>degree apart, the confusion is understandable.
>
>There were no known tables for Salon-de-Provence. Nostradamus was not
>only incapable of preparing his own, but hadn't the foggiest idea of
>how to interpolate for Salon on the basis of Bologna either!
>--
>
>Peter
Whatever tables, real or imagined, whether prepared for Bologna,
Venice, or Salon, would not explain these blatant inaccuracies.
*
Nostradamus committed many of those, as Videl testifies. Why is
it so difficult for you to see that these apparent errors are so
egregious that they cannot be ascribed to incompetence. Even a
grade school child would be sufficiently trained so as not to
commit them.
*
Why do you persist, Peter, at describing one of the greatest
minds of the Renaissance as an incorrigible blunderer, incapable
of interpolating planetary positions?
*
Why do you not see what Videl could not have seen in his days,
that many of Nostradamus' texts are so erroneous that they must
be hiding something else?
*
At least YOU have had the benefit of seeing in print many
decrypted portions of Nostradamus' original texts. Videl had not
had that chance. Because of this, Videl can be forgiven. He did
not know any better.
*
You, on the other hand, do not have that excuse.
*
These original texts by Nostradamus are hiding his prophecy. Had
he been always correct in his published texts, he would then not
have left his future readers any clues as to the true nature of
his published writings. So, he did what very intelligent people
do: he wrote a few things which he knew were ridiculously false,
so as to show his future intelligent readers what he was doing.
*
The beauty of Videl's work is to show Nostradamus' future readers
what he did. So, rather than saying that Videl was right and
Nostradamus wrong, a little lateral thinking -- a very useful
tool in the discovery of an encrypted text -- might have prompted
you to say that Videl was right in pointing out inaccuracies in
Nostradamus' work, while Nostradamus was right in leaving some
clues to what he was doing. Otherwise, his secret would not have
been discovered.
*
So, one day, when I get my hands on an original of the
Prognostication for 1555, I might spend a few months decrypting
that text, just as I have spent a few years decrypting his
poetry.
*
I shall then show that Videl was right and... Nostradamus too!
*
In the meantime, you might enjoy the decrypted title to this
Prognostication for 1555 found at p. 451 in my book.
*
--
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, cla...@torfree.net (Claude Latremouille) wrote:
><snipped something or another, the clock ticking down the hours...>
>
And so it is written Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put
a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God...
Neither shall I curse inept critics for thus they are made.
Enjoy World War III!
--Daniel Joseph Min
harmless
all these names? do you ever play cards or other games with yourself
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