Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?
George Orwell
http://snipurl.com/1dcj3
March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
be possible.
Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
current pace, makers of anti-virus software
http://snipurl.com/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
onslaught."
Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
"How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
officer Mikko Hypponen...
Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
“a sort of internet Interpol.”......
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A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
Andreas Krokene
that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
One wonders how the UN could stop this
electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
or graffiti-plastering by our less than
intelligent members of society!
Andreas Krokene
http://mail-my-family.biz/blog
Phil Weldon
| And if these virii are email-delivered then
| that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
|
| One wonders how the UN could stop this
| electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
| or graffiti-plastering by our less than
| intelligent members of society!
What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin vir
(man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
biological virus.
What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with the
triumph of the cell phone?
And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might have a
chance, but not the UN.
Phil Weldon
"Andreas Krokene" <fiction-w...@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
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4Q
> George Orwell wrote:
> > idm.net.au
> > http://snipurl.com/1dcj3
> >
> > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week's CeBit exhibition in
> > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> > be possible.
> >
True. But that won't stop them from
scaring Joe Public into buying their
addictive product. (see: Vmyths for clue)
> > Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia's
> > Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
> > current pace, makers of anti-virus software
> > http://snipurl.com/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
> > onslaught."
> >
Not true. The infestations come and go
and as the size of the *problem* vector
increases so will the solution matrix.
No system will maintain dominance forever
It's a constant armsrace... Which happens
to be a good thing for general progress.
> > Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
> > infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
> > is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
> >
> > Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
> > claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
> > "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
> > officer Mikko Hypponen...
Re: Mikko Hypponen - I suggest you get
out of the kitchen if you can't stand the
heat buddy. (Hope we don't have to wait
too long for the dead man shoes ;]])
> >
> > Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
> > software developers as a "spooky arms race" where the attackers are
> > disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
> > problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> > "a sort of internet Interpol."......
> > ----------
*heh* Control freaks. Always the fucking
same with these assholes... Hope we never
get to the position of Tsar Kaspersky,
ruler of the cyberspace police state.
(them Russian love controlling things!)
> > A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
> >
It is desperate. But it will never happen
> And if these virii are email-delivered then
> that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
>
> One wonders how the UN could stop this
> electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> intelligent members of society!
>
> Andreas Krokene
> http://mail-my-family.biz/blog
I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
got to say.
Leythos
>> >
>> > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week's CeBit exhibition in
>> > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
>> > be possible.
Actually, it's fairly easy to protect yourself and your customers. Most
quality firewall appliances (and servers) include the ability to remove
attachements and block content from websites, we've been using that method
for many years. What most companies fail to understand is that access to
personal email/web access, at the office, is not needed, and it's against
the best interest of the company - where a LOT of compromise takes place.
Most home users could install a simple filtering NAT device that removes
email attachments and web content and not have to worry about 90% of the
malware out there.
Since AV software is "reactionary" it doesn't do much about the new
malware, but it's very effective at keeping the old at bay.
The only positive protection is blocking of content during internet
sessions and blocking access to media sources that provide external
content (like CD/DVD/USB devices).
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Andreas Krokene
> 'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
> | And if these virii are email-delivered then
> | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
> |
> | One wonders how the UN could stop this
> | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> | intelligent members of society!
> _____
>
> What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin vir
> (man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
> biological virus.
Greetings Phil,
I see you are a language expert. I am
severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.
It should be viruses.
> What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with the
> triumph of the cell phone?
We still have some public phones on the
streets in Perth, Western Australia. However
they are disappearing fast. Most public
phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,
but in little egg-like shells in shopping
centres (shopping malls) and in small groups
of local shops (stores).
> And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
> halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might have a
> chance, but not the UN.
The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.
And that ends my off-topic rant!
Andreas Krokene.
PS A fine day to you all!
optikl
"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
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> idm.net.au
> http://snipurl.com/1dcj3
>
> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week's CeBit exhibition in
> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> be possible.
>
> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia's
> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
> http://snipurl.com/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
> onslaught."
>
Now we'll the war on malware escalate. Rumsfeld is committed to allocating
huge expenditures (several thousands of dollars) to the war on malware.
James Egan
On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
>KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
>got to say.
If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
time, if you're lucky.
Jim. :)
kurt wismer
not sure what that's supposed to mean...
at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/02/are-we-winning-or-losing-or-have-we.html),
automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/myth-of-overwhelming-numbers.html),
and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a single point
of defense so users should complement their blacklists with whitelists
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/marcus-ranum-has-found-his-saviour-or.html
and
http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/anti-virus-is-not-faulty-burglar-alarm.html)...
and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once promised
me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about what i'd say
to such things...
--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"
4Q
> James Egan wrote:
> > On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
> >> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
> >> got to say.
> >
> > If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
> > time, if you're lucky.
>
> not sure what that's supposed to mean...
I think he's trying to be a smartarse :))
reference to my timescale, getting around
to dealing with things on my to-do list.
(Don't worry Jimbo, I'll turn you very
slowly on the roasting stick so you
enjoy every last moment)
>
> at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/02/are-we-winning-or-losing-or-have-we.html),
True. It is nonsense but you know in a
world with rulers like Bush/Blair they
like to see the problems as black&white,
good vs evil and the sheeple with follow.
> automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/myth-of-overwhelming-numbers.html),
And so will the advances in self-replicating
parasitic entities. And hence negate
these advances. Back to a stalemate.
> and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a single point
> of defense so users should complement their blacklists with whitelists
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/marcus-ranum-has-found-his-saviour-or.html
> and
> http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/anti-virus-is-not-faulty-burglar-alarm.html)...
>
> and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once promised
> me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about what i'd say
> to such things...
>
*grin* He means me folks! Now c'mon
assholes (Kurt, Jimbo, Dustbin etc)
when I said I will add you into the
4Q site you knew in your hearts of
hearts I meant it... (forget timescales).
Btw I've been having great fun with
ASIC the past couple of weeks... I think
the BugInfo (<-- yes it's morphed) will
be well worth the effort I've invested.
Raidy is a much better subject matter
than the Barlev's and Sooooogie's.
I've even been coding ASIC/16bitASM on
the move with pocketDOS and my PDA, *greatfun* ;]]
Phil Weldon
The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.
And that ends my off-topic rant!
_____
According to this Sophos report at
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2007/01/secrep2007.html
two countries account for two thirds of malware. So perhaps bilateral
efforts are more to the point than UN involvement.
Phil Weldon
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George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> idm.net.au
> http://snipurl.com/1dcj3
>
> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week s CeBit exhibition in
> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> be possible.
Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
remove the threat.
The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
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|
| Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
| of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
| wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
| remove the threat.
|
| The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
| the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
|
If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>
> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
>
> |
> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
> | remove the threat.
> |
> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
> |
>
> If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
Why is it so hard to believe?
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
10,000,000 years.
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cmsix
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> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
> ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
>
> |
> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary
> source
> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild
> through a
> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear
> to
> | remove the threat.
> |
> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free
> for
> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
> |
>
> If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
He couldn't have any money to buy a bridge, he's honest and he's doing all
his work for free. Right on, Comrade.
Can't you see that he has joined alt.privacy.spyware and is providing plenty
of outdated rhetoric and fresh bullshit, and all for free.
cmsix
Bud
> enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
> 10,000,000 years.
Oh, shit! THEN what'll we do?
Heather
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> In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>
>> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
>> ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>>
>>
>> |
>> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary
>> source
>> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild
>> through a
>> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will
>> bear to
>> | remove the threat.
>> |
>> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100%
>> free for
>> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
>> |
>>
>> If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
>
> Why is it so hard to believe?
Because you are *dead* wrong??? That word will definitely not help your
paranoia....
>
> Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
> ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
Every once in a while, some dingbat (or dickhead) comes up with this
amazing theory about antivirus companies......now go away and put on
your tinfoil hat. IDIOT!!
hf
David H. Lipman
|
| Why is it so hard to believe?
|
| Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
|
| ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
|
| Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
| There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
| enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
| 10,000,000 years.
|
Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
Aunti Virus
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>
> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
>
> |
> | Why is it so hard to believe?
> |
> | Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
> |
> | ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
> |
> | Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
> | There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
> | enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
> | 10,000,000 years.
> |
>
> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
>
Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
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kurt wismer
> In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
>> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
>> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
>> | remove the threat.
>> |
>> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
>> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
>> |
>>
>> If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
>
> Why is it so hard to believe?
it presupposes that they would *need* to do that... that there aren't
enough people making malware for their own reasons that the av companies
have to get in on it to justify their existence...
anyone with half a clue in this field knows that there are in fact many
people willing to make malware without any connection to the anti-virus
industry whatsoever... there's no shortage of malware writers out there
so there's no need for the anti-virus industry to pick up the slack...
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Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
true.
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David H. Lipman
>> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
>>
| Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
|
Are you thick ?
Direct evidence. I have seen/continue to see direct evidence.
David H. Lipman
|
| Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
| true.
|
Yeah and flight 800 was taken down by a missile!
Conspiracy thoeries based on BS.
nashra...@gmail.com
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I dont think arm chair view applies here.
Dustin Cook
Hey man! I got a scratchpad! I'm moving up in the world :)
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4Q
> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
>
> >> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
> >>
> | Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
> |
>
> Are you thick ?
>
> Direct evidence. I have seen/continue to see direct evidence.
What's that David? You say you have
direct evidence... Would that be *YOU*
providing malware to "organized crime"
aka Dustin Cook (leader of the HHI
criminal gang).
So you are one of the "peers" or
peddlers of malware to a known malware
spreader Raid/[SLAM] the virus spreader?
*Oh dear*
p.s. I hope your "peers" don't find
out about this little secret.
4Q
Dickhead you forgot the link so he can
take a look *sheesh*
Let me help ya.
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/scratchpad/
There fixed! You don't have to thank me :))
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I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.
I'm not saying all of them are doing it, nor is it evil to be in business
and make a profit. Simply that I believe the largest several are doing a
microsoft and trying to help themselves grow by creating a need that only
they can fill
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David H. Lipman
|
| What's that David? You say you have
| direct evidence... Would that be *YOU*
| providing malware to "organized crime"
| aka Dustin Cook (leader of the HHI
| criminal gang).
|
| So you are one of the "peers" or
| peddlers of malware to a known malware
| spreader Raid/[SLAM] the virus spreader?
| *Oh dear*
|
| 4Q
| http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/
|
| p.s. I hope your "peers" don't find
| out about this little secret.
4Q. Don't bring me into your personnal attack againt Dustin.
It isn't hard to ascertain a perpetrator of malware on a web site registered in Brighton
Beach, Brooklyn, NY, with the registered name being Russian.
Or why the vast majority of the sites distributing ZLob Trojan and DNSChanger Trojan
installers are by registered ESTDomains.
pcbutts1
to you in over a year yet you constantly file abuse complaints on me on
every post I make. "Don't bring me into your personnal attack againt Dustin"
you're a hypocrite. Rumor has it in the antimalware community that your site
has been taken down for DMCA violations and clicking on your signature I
would say that's true. What did you steal David?
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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Leythos
>
> Rumor has it in the antimalware community that your site
> has been taken down for DMCA violations and clicking on your signature I
> would say that's true. What did you steal David?
LOL - iPowerweb.com provided the email and complaint you filed butts, and
as soon as their legal department opens on Monday the site will be back
online (nice work doing it on a Friday like that).
I've also contacted the real authors of the software you claimed ownership
of (WGET) and they are in the process of backing David up and disproving
your faked claim. Oh, and don't forget, filing a false claim is against
the law, you're just driving nails in your of coffin.
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badgolferman
> and suggested a way of dealing with the
> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
> ----------
> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
No doubt. What has the UN been able to accomplish without corruption
or the help of the US so far?
Ant
> "David H. Lipman" wrote:
>> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
>
> Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
If you follow research done by the security community and others
you will find plenty of evidence of the criminality behind malware.
Here's a good example:
http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/gozi/
badgolferman
> Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise
> prices. There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil.
Learn a little bit about economics before making up stories like this.
> There is enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western
> hemisphere for 10,000,000 years.
Is that the same Alaska that environmentalists are preventing us from
drilling for oil that would make us less dependent on the Middle
Eastern tyrants who continue to fund terrorists? Place the blame where
it belongs, not with corporations who are selling you a product you
want.
--
“Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.” ~
Frank Dane
Ron Lopshire
> From: "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com>
>
> It isn't hard to ascertain a perpetrator of malware on a web site registered in Brighton
> Beach, Brooklyn, NY, with the registered name being Russian.
>
> Or why the vast majority of the sites distributing ZLob Trojan and DNSChanger Trojan
> installers are by registered ESTDomains.
I will leave this cross-posted w/ F/U set.
Dave, why is Ian's site down?
Ron :)
kurt wismer
> kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Aunti Virus wrote:
>>> In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
>>> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>>> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>>>> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
>>>> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
>>>> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
>>>> | remove the threat.
>>>> |
>>>> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
>>>> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!
>>> Why is it so hard to believe?
>> it presupposes that they would *need* to do that... that there aren't
>> enough people making malware for their own reasons that the av companies
>> have to get in on it to justify their existence...
>>
>> anyone with half a clue in this field knows that there are in fact many
>> people willing to make malware without any connection to the anti-virus
>> industry whatsoever... there's no shortage of malware writers out there
>> so there's no need for the anti-virus industry to pick up the slack...
>
> I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
> this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.
that *still* presupposes that there aren't enough viruses being produced
by the bad guys... a number of companies have started to complain that
the numbers are outstripping their ability to deal with them... there is
no shortage of malware and no need (even accounting for greed) for them
to make more...
> I'm not saying all of them are doing it, nor is it evil to be in business
> and make a profit. Simply that I believe the largest several are doing a
> microsoft and trying to help themselves grow by creating a need that only
> they can fill
and the consumer would never purchase their product again if that was
discovered (and it *would* get discovered)... unlike the operating
system market there is *lots* of competition in the anti-malware market
and making their own malware would be marketing suicide...
Dustin Cook
news:eu38eo$1rv$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
> You got a lot of nerve making that statement. I have not said a da*n
> thing to you in over a year yet you constantly file abuse complaints
> on me on every post I make. "Don't bring me into your personnal attack
> againt Dustin" you're a hypocrite. Rumor has it in the antimalware
> community that your site has been taken down for DMCA violations and
> clicking on your signature I would say that's true. What did you steal
> David?
>
>
Most in the anti-malware field have seen your fradulent DMCA takedown
notice, Christopher. I'm sure repercussions will soon follow.
Wget is licensed under the GNU license agreement, The legal team at
ipower has been contacted, and when they open Monday; they'll see that
you tricked them.
You do realize, it's against the law to file fake DMCA noticies right
Christopher?
Btw, We also have copies of the real demise of your spyerase program. You
know, the one you claimed to have sold. A little birdie tells me you were
forced to quit hosting it when the original authors went after your
provider.
Ayatollah Yootweiss Al-Reddi
> I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
> this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.
Online poker's rigged, too.
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