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Fritz Wuehler

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Jan 6, 2007, 1:24:48 PM1/6/07
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We will start phase 2 of our counter misuse initiative. To
prevent our remailer network from malpractice, we will now re-
route all remailer traffic with non appropriate content to those
exit remailers not belonging to our o*R*g*A*niz*Ation.*A*

Thomas J. Boschloo

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Jan 6, 2007, 2:26:44 PM1/6/07
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You made the assumption back there that remailers in your organization
still have any traffic.

You also make the wrong assumption that a real remop would care about
non appropriate content. That would predicate that real remops even want
to *know* the content of the messages they forward to their destination.

Real remops only care about getting the message delivered.

nuntius transmittendus
Thomas
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Anonymous

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Jan 6, 2007, 2:32:37 PM1/6/07
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Anonymous

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Jan 6, 2007, 3:02:45 PM1/6/07
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What I would like to see is every exit remailer that is not acting
responsibly to be flooded with dummy traffic until it is useless.
Make sure that it is clear why they are being flooded. It will teach them
a lesson they will not forget and will get them to delete non appropriate
content.

Anonymous

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Jan 6, 2007, 4:15:14 PM1/6/07
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Thomas, your assumptions are wrong. First, more than 70 % of
remailer traffic is under our control. Second, if we re-route
all mail with not appropriate content to the few exit remailers
not belonging to us, they will sooner or later take care about
non appropriate content. Either they will because of the high
number of complaints they will have to handle or their remailers
will die as the ones of trasher and twisty because they will get
serious problems with LEAs or they will start to filter non
appropriate content or they will join us voluntarily or with
help of our rootkits.
Just be patient, you will see over the next weeks what happens.
By the way that is the last response you get from us. You will
never understand how it works, since you have no experience in
running a remailer.
We have now enough control in place over the remailer network
enabling us to enforce compliance with OUR rules. And we will
certainly do.

o*R*g*A*niz*Ation.*A*

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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

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Jan 6, 2007, 4:47:48 PM1/6/07
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:26:44 +0100, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:

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>
> Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>> We will start phase 2 of our counter misuse initiative. To
>> prevent our remailer network from malpractice, we will now re-
>> route all remailer traffic with non appropriate content to those
>> exit remailers not belonging to our o*R*g*A*niz*Ation.*A*
>
> You made the assumption back there that remailers in your organization
> still have any traffic.

All remailers that filter out non appropriate content are automatically in
the organization.

>
> You also make the wrong assumption that a real remop would care about
> non appropriate content. That would predicate that real remops even want
> to *know* the content of the messages they forward to their destination.
>
> Real remops only care about getting the message delivered.

Not at all. Real remops block newsgroups if necessary, sometimes whole
hierarchies of them, when the content of the newsgroups is something the
remop does not like. Real remops block email addresses when requested by
the owner of the address.

Thomas J. Boschloo

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Jan 6, 2007, 4:56:43 PM1/6/07
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Anonyma wrote:
>> You made the assumption back there that remailers in your organization
>> still have any traffic.
>

> He thinks that dummy traffic sent by remailers as cover traffic is
> real traffic.

Still all that dummy traffic flushes out the reordering pools more
quickly than they should otherwise have been. E.g. if eelbash sends
10000 dummy messages through bananasplit and there is only one real
message in the bananasplit reordering pool.. that message is flushed out
and known to someone who both knows which messages are from eelbash and
which messages entered and left bananasplit.

Eelbash fucked up the privacy of yet another innocent remailer user.

Further more, the dummy messages might have been send with another
knowledge of the remailer network than the remailer user had. If eelbash
e.g. doesn't know about dizum and the remailer user happened to use that
remailer as the next hop. Fucked up big time!

not good,


Thomas
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Nomen Nescio

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Jan 6, 2007, 5:10:08 PM1/6/07
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> o*R*g*A*niz*Ation.*A*

Who are you, RAAA mark 2? Changing the name doesn't make the claims any more
believable.

Anonyma

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Jan 6, 2007, 5:15:30 PM1/6/07
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Anonymous wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:24:48 +0100, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
> > We will start phase 2 of our counter misuse initiative. To
> > prevent our remailer network from malpractice, we will now re-
> > route all remailer traffic with non appropriate content to those
> > exit remailers not belonging to our o*R*g*A*niz*Ation.*A*
>
> What I would like to see is every exit remailer that is not acting
> responsibly to be flooded with dummy traffic until it is useless.

For your arbitrary definition of responsibly no doubt....

At peril of invoking Godwin's, Adolph Hitler, Saloth "Pol Pot" Sar, and
now Saddam Hussein, are all waiting in hell to buy you a beer.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

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Jan 6, 2007, 5:48:24 PM1/6/07
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:15:14 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

> if we re-route
> all mail with not appropriate content to the few exit remailers
> not belonging to us, they will sooner or later take care about
> non appropriate content. Either they will because of the high
> number of complaints they will have to handle or their remailers
> will die as the ones of trasher and twisty because they will get
> serious problems with LEAs or they will start to filter non
> appropriate content or they will join us voluntarily or with
> help of our rootkits.

When you read that, it sounds harsh, but it may be the best thing that
could happen to the remailer system. The fun and games is coming to an
end. It may be voluntarily with the help of the RAAA or it may be by the
remailers being closed down like thrasher and twisty. Your choice, remops.

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Thomas J. Boschloo

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Jan 6, 2007, 5:57:07 PM1/6/07
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Anonyma wrote:
> In article <721f13967062e920...@dizum.com>

> At least he finally learned how to word wrap. Be thankful for small
> mercies.

We'll beat some sense into him. Or as hanin elias put it Girl Serial
Killer "I'll teach you if it is the last thing you will learn"

Thomas
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Nomen Nescio

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Jan 7, 2007, 3:10:10 AM1/7/07
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In article <2b182339f39c7909...@ecn.org>

Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
>
> Thomas, your assumptions are wrong. First, more than 70 % of
> remailer traffic is under our control. Second, if we re-route
> all mail with not appropriate content to the few exit remailers
> not belonging to us, they will sooner or later take care about
> non appropriate content. Either they will because of the high
> number of complaints they will have to handle or their remailers
> will die as the ones of trasher and twisty because they will get
> serious problems with LEAs or they will start to filter non
> appropriate content or they will join us voluntarily or with
> help of our rootkits.

So whatcha got in your rootkit? A bottle of listerine maybe? I got
your root right here Mary.


Thomas J. Boschloo

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Jan 7, 2007, 5:23:06 AM1/7/07
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> All remailers that filter out non appropriate content are automatically in
>> the organization.
>

> It's a bit of a stretch to call 1 member an organization. You'd need
> at least 2.

It is a secret organization. The big secret being that they have no
members :-)

And calling Eelbash organized is kind of a lie too so it is a secret
organization that lies a lot! (in fact with every single post he makes)

Making people member by having the same agenda as Eelbash does is
probably against at least a few dozen privacy laws too. So very good for
privacy they aren't either.

So much for RAAA :-) Redundant Asstards Asstards Asstards.


Thomas
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Non scrivetemi

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Jan 7, 2007, 4:57:46 PM1/7/07
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We have meanwhile clear evidence that certain people posting in
this NG are seriously abusing remailers.
These people try everything to keep the remailer network as much
as uncontrolled as possible allowing them to continue their
remailer abuse.

o*R*g*A*niz*A*tion.*A*

Thomas J. Boschloo

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Jan 7, 2007, 5:18:18 PM1/7/07
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Non scrivetemi wrote:
> We have meanwhile clear evidence that certain people posting in
> this NG are seriously abusing remailers.

So why don't you stop it?

> These people try everything to keep the remailer network as much
> as uncontrolled as possible allowing them to continue their
> remailer abuse.

Now that sentence didn't make a whole lot of sense. What to try again?

Thomas
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