Dump the lunatic!
QuickSilver
Hi Folks!
I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
is a snippet of the article.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7f76ec249f44f8df9e72280b8f32a73b%
40dizum.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain>
<snip>
> Question: did the BAVARIANS purposedly screw up mixmaster remailers so that
> cpunk posts are plagued with that risk of post loss? Palfrader's hatred for
> Cpunk is well-known, and it is quite possible that he *purposedly* plagued
> the cpunk post with that additional hop, so that he can claim: "cpunk is less
> reliable than mix". Sorry, but the right conclusion is: "Reliable is more
> reliabe than mixmaster, especially the bavarian versions"
> What do you expect for cpunk from a guy who doesn't even run a Cpunk remailer?
> ROT26 is MIX-only (and middleman). And it is not a Len Sassaman (who presided
> over the PGP7 debacle) who is going to help very much about Cpunk.
<snip>
I look at this and think...who the fuck does frog think he is? Then I
realized it was the troll! What about you? Have you not seen frog talk
exactly like this a hundred times? The details that led to these
statements are unimportant. It's always the same. The obvious truth is,
Len and Peter are well respected among their peers. Frog is not. Len is
frequently asked to speak before groups. He is a world renowned expert
on communications security. In the remops list a few days ago Kat
asked, "Who ever asked frog to speak anywhere?". Do a google search on
Len and Peter. You'll find they are quite active. frog is a madman who
believes he can dominate the future with lies, disinformation and
fantasies--all by himself.
Am I to believe that FROG-ADMIN is so far ahead, so far beyond mortal
men that he can rightfully denegrate these well respected gentlemen? Am
I to believe that he and his aged software are all I need and he'll
protect me? The man is a raving lunatic.
There is a very disturbing agenda at work here. Frog is against all
remailer/client software except Reliable and JBN. Whenever individuals
point out that one piece or the other really needs a bit of updating,
king frog nips that in the bub by proclaiming the feature to be bad or
unnecessary. This has never changed. Never a single update for his
beloved software and users in 4-5 years. He programs in VB. Why won't
he update it? Why won't anyone? There are many well respected
individuals working on mixmaster and the generations that will follow
that. There is absolutely no one working on future generations of
cpunk. It was a good answer in it's day, but that day is drawing near
to an end. To you few reliable operators out there, I know you believe
in your remailer software, and I know your pride is real. I also know
if you run a windows box, you don't currently have a choice and you
don't have an upgrade path. That's just how frog wants it. If he has
his way, you never will.
There is movement among remops to delist frog from remailer stats
reports--effectively blocking his remailer. I'd like to add my voice to
this chorus, even though I am not a remailer operator. I'm an author of
remailer client software and as frog has said, I have a vested
interest. However, my interest is not simply in mixmaster as frog
whines. I have a vested interest in the future of privacy. I'm going to
be part of it. I was here when RProcess first arrived with his plans
for a product called 'potato'. I was here when frog opened his
remailer. I'm here to stay and plan to work with others and do my best
for those who have an appreciation.
Frog has clearly shown an inability to work with others. He's a loner
with a need to dominate. Rarely do we actually see frogs statments
attributed to frog. Most frog attacks are posted anonymously. Oh, you
didn't think frog would stoop to the level of SK? Wake up! SK/frog,
frog/SK, sameo, sameo. Only the name is changed to protect the guilty.
The man thinks he can dominate the future of remailers with lies,
disinformation and fantasies.
I try to be old-school in my beliefs regarding remailer operation. I
believe in allowing the user to have the ultimate decision as to
whether he uses a specific remailer or not. However, in a case where a
remop uses his remailer as a weapon against every single person he
dislikes, and does it everyday for years, that remop must not be
allowed to run a remailer. Look at our group, what curious person could
stop by here and come away with respect for us? Our reputation is for
abuse. Our reputation is for nastiness. Frog-admin is an abuser, caters
to abusers. and decries other responsible remops for not doing same. In
my opinion, just because you CAN allow abuse, does not make it right.
Some abuses tarnish the reputation too much. Frog is the worst abuser
in the history of the remailer network.
I honestly don't think we can make frog go away. We may be plagued with
his trolling and ugliness for years to come. It's always possible that
public humiliation might drive him away, but I doubt it. What we can
do, and should do, is take this little boy's toy away. Take that weapon
out of his hands, It's time. Remops, let's have an end to this
lunatic's reign. He is not the king of the world and has no business
coming here and forcing that attitude down our throats. We all have
suffered his abuse enough. Give us the satisfaction of seeing this
madman shamed. This is not a case where something has been going on for
a few months and there might be hope for him. He is a raving lunatic
and he has been doing this for 4 years. 4 YEARS!!!! Dump this asshole
and do it now. I know he provides many web pages of remailer network
analysis at his site. If this is lost to us, we'll replace them. There
is no better motivator than need. We'll replace them and I plan to do
some myself. And by the way, where did we ever get the idea we could
trust frog's reports? He has to be manipulating his stats to be hiding
his flooding. So he's not fudging info in other reports?
And this piece of shit thinks he's gonna 'boschloo' me? What a mistake
that was. If I was thinking of leaving I left all those thoughts behind
2 years ago when the QS bashing had been on for a year. I will never go
away.
I'd like to mention Thomas Boschloo. When I see that term 'boschlooed'.
I feel exactly the same way as with the quote I started this post with.
Anger at the author. If you don't know Thomas, I'll tell you, he's a
likable guy. It made me smile recently when I saw him described thus,
'He's a loon. A harmless, well-meaning loon, but a loon
nonetheless.' Pretty accurate :) He was second only to Champerty in
speaking out against frog. I can also say I've never seen a mean-
spirited post by him. He is the kind of person you and I would have a
smile for. Frog, on the other hand, tried to beat him to the ground and
push him out the door. Big man, frog. Thomas did not leave this group
because of frog's attacks on him. We didn't quit talking to him because
of those attacks either. The truth is, none of us have had much to say
for a long, long time. Every sentence we write is twisted into
something ugly by frog and posted anonymously hundreds of times. If we
can ever shake off this lunatic, maybe, in time, we can go back to
being a friendly, interesting group again. Maybe Thomas will come
around from time to time. I'd like to see that. But even more, I'd like
to see _us_ become a friendly, interesting group enjoying open
discussion again. For the most part frog has put an end to free speech
in our group.
Looking back, Thomas was saying the same things then that I am saying
now. He saw it and knew if he waited for solid evidence he'd never be
able to speak. He was capable, just as all of us, of putting 2 and 2
together.
A lot of you don't know the truth about Champerty. He was, in fact,
voluntary maintainer of the APAS FAQ. It still contains much of his
work. In the incident where frog outted an abuser using a secretly run
second remailer to catch the flooder (4 years ago), he became much too
emotionally involved in his dispute with frog. I know the feeling and
stay away from it. Champerty left in disgust and passed the FAQ chores
to Computer Cryptology who kindly has maintained our FAQ ever since.
Many of you will note that you have never seen another post by CC other
than the FAQ. Oh, they use to take part here, but it got too nasty. Yet
they carry on maintaining our FAQ never asking anything in return.
Did Champerty ever troll frog? I don't know. The references frog makes
ring no bells with me, but then frog is a liar. He's a lying sack of
shit. What do I think, if Champerty really did troll frog? Fuck frog.
That's what I think.
I'm not going to ask frog's reply to any questions in this post. He has
no exonerating evidence. He'll never reply. He's a lunatic on the
loose. I'll just direct a personal note specifically to him.
Did you really think you would...you know...get rid of me? What a dumb
shit you are. What'll it be today? My own personal flood. I know you
like that. Your favorite tool, so to speak. Maybe sign me up for some
nice mailing lists? Auto-responders? Spammers? Whatever. No problem.
Well, how about sending me a virus or 2 daily. How could I know that
was you? Your floods!. The virus emails frequently had the odd subject
of 'CellPadding'. It never made any sense to me until one day one of
your flood messages in the group had the subject CellPadding. Actually
there were several variations on it. No big deal. Maybe forge my
address on a virus email and send it to some other enemy of yours? Or
will it be the coup de gras--will you somehow bring the scientologists
lawyers down on me like you did on Len, just days ago? You are such a
clever child! You really should be careful. Pick the wrong person to
harrass, they might have time on their hands and be even more evil than
you. Oh...sorry, that's not possible.
If you are a remop who disagrees with me today, I'm sorry, I feel if
you would look at the evidence with an open mind you would feel as I,
and nearly everyone else here does. Probably frog has never uttered an
unkind word to you. That is a facade. A false front. He's a lunatic.
I'm sorry you are fooled. To continue to fight for him, is to continue
to condone the abuses that have plagued this group, these people, and
others for years. Give _us_ your support. Stand for something good. Do
it for Len and Peter. Do it for Computer Cryptology, Eric Arneson, Zax
and, what the hell, do it for me too! I've taken my share as well. We
are the ones who have stayed with hope our group could become a decent
place again.
Regards to all,
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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QuickSilver
Hi Folks!
Regards to all,
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Admin
QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
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> Hi Folks!
>
> I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
> is a snippet of the article.
>
>
I used to support you and your QS program.
Now I think I see why so many seem to dislike you and your QS program.
A.Melon
(Sorry for the anon post, it's really me, QuickSilver!);
Hi Folks!
I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
is a snippet of the article.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7f76ec249f44f8df9e72280b8f32a73b%
Regards to all,
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QuickSilver
In article <L080E9EL37764.5845138889@anonymous.poster>
Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
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> Mr. Christman-
>
> Both the language used and the sentiment expressed are inappropriate,
> especially for someone in your position.
Let me think. I have been under attack in this newsgroup for 3 years.
There is no doubt in my mind you have seen seen the language used
against me. I have never seen you post a kind word towards me or
suggest that poster was inappropriate. Considering this, I think your
position is entirely inappropriate. I will take this abuse silently no
longer. Get used to it. I'll use my freedom of speech as I see fit. And
use it I certainly will.
Your response to this is quite like your response to Peter Palfrader
when, on the remops list, he told frog to stop the abuse of placing the
name/address of an individual he disliked in the X-Remailer-Contact
header of all mail leaving frog remailer. Interesting you had nothing
to say when this current statement by me appeared in the remops list
several days ago.
We all know that frog is behind the flooding/trolling in this group.
Nothing you say can change that.
Richard
> Dingo Admin
> dingo...@dingoremailer.com
>
> On Wed, 21 May 2003, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
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> >Hi Folks!
> >
<Snip>
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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Anonymous Sender
wrote:
>
>Hi Folks!
>
>I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
>is a snippet of the article.
At least, you understand that QS is shit and that, among your favorite
audience, bashing Frog-Admin will give you more applause than having
authored that overbloated overspammed overhyped crapware.
Those who feel the urge to bash Frog-Admin have little to stand up by
themselves.
Besides many other services, Frog offers a simple tests to detect the
incompetent, the power-hungry and the loons: they all noisily wear the
"I am a Frog-basher" pin.
For that, your stats, your keyrings, your remailer, your mail2news,
your newsserver, your no-nonsense support to newcomers and also for
keeping your dignity in front of the maddened idiots ganging against
you and insulting you day after day for 4 years:
THANK YOU, FROG-ADMIN
Bodhi
Anonymous Sender <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote..
> .. you understand that QS is shit ..
<shrug> Then don't use it..
--
mailto:bo...@usenet-nomads.com | Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?
Nomen Nescio
STFU moron! Some asshole floods the group with hundreds of thousands of messages for years
and you are complaining about some justified anger. ESAD!
I second, third and fourth Richard's comments. DUMP THE FUCKING LUNATIC!
Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
>
>Hi Folks!
>
>I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
>is a snippet of the article.
At least, you understand that QS is shit and that, among your favorite
Anonymous
Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
>
> Christman, this is nothing but a troll post and not really worthy of your good
> self.
>
> I agree Frog-Admin clearly has a screw loose, just one look at his site tells
> us this is not the work of a sane person, but there are so many maybes and
> what ifs in your summary of events. Frog has broken the rules in the past and
> upset people. He doesn't really give a shit about how he does things he does
> them his own way and makes up the rules as he goes along. He is a crank for
> sure and there are forever questions about the integrity of his remailer and
> Frog Admin himself. Do I trust Frog ? No, not really. About as much as I 'trust'
> any remailer out there. But he runs not a bad one. I'm not sure I have ever
> seen an conclusive proof that Frog Admin is the flooder or the anti QS troll,
> and I don't think your post proves he is.
>
> By the way, for your information:
>
> the email with CellPadding as a subject is from a virus, I have had it loads
> of times too and Frog doesn't know me at all. ANYONE who runs a website will
> get this. It is part of Klez or one of the other similar virii. But you should
> know this, being as you are involved in writing computer security software.
>
More frog-admin sock puppets.
FOAD frog
Elmer Fud
> We all know that frog is behind the flooding/trolling in this group.
> Nothing you say can change that.
I'm sorry M Christman
you certainly belong to a different "we" than me.
> >>> You may speak for yourself.
bleep
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Dingo Admin wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2003, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
> wrote:
>>In article <L080E9EL37764.5845138889@anonymous.poster>
>>Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr. Christman-
>>>
>>> Both the language used and the sentiment expressed are inappropriate,
>>> especially for someone in your position.
>>
>>Let me think. I have been under attack in this newsgroup for 3 years.
>>There is no doubt in my mind you have seen seen the language used
>>against me. I have never seen you post a kind word towards me or
>>suggest that poster was inappropriate. Considering this, I think your
>>position is entirely inappropriate. I will take this abuse silently no
>>longer. Get used to it. I'll use my freedom of speech as I see fit. And
>>use it I certainly will.
>
> You don't remember my support of you when you publicly admitted your
> programming error? How I pointed out that it took both guts and integrity
> to come forward and admit your mistake?
>
> Quicksilver is a fine program. I have used it myself. I have no bone to
> pick with you, or Peter, or anyone else. I am not an enemy of any of the
> remops, and I am not your enemy.
>
> I think you do your program and yourself a serious disservice engaging in
> that kind of a childish snit.
>
>>Your response to this is quite like your response to Peter Palfrader
>>when, on the remops list, he told frog to stop the abuse of placing the
>>name/address of an individual he disliked in the X-Remailer-Contact
>>header of all mail leaving frog remailer. Interesting you had nothing
>>to say when this current statement by me appeared in the remops list
>>several days ago.
>
> Your correct when you say I said nothing when this first appeared in the
> remops list. I realize now that was a mistake, I should have said
> something then.
>
> As far as Frog's behavior regarding his X-headers, I had private
> correspondence with him about it, as I think the other remailers should
> have done. I don't want to be caught in the middle of anyones little
> pissing contest.
>
> Dingo is enduring it's 3rd solid week of flooding. It is due in part I am
> certain to the infighting among the remops over which remailer software is
> best, Cpunk or Mixmaster. Which closely parallels the public bickering
> over which is better, Jack B Nymble or Quicksilver. All of the above are
> fine programs. Each has there strengths and weaknesses.
>
> I personally wish everyone involved would just grow up and let the network
> go back to being used for anonymous mailing and posting, rather than a
> means by which to punish those you disagree with.
I'm enjoying the fact that I haven't been sucked into the politics of all
this yet... but... one thing that seems like a no-brainer to me is that
this bickering and abuse of the remailer network will not get us anywhere.
If people want to promote a particular remailer client or server the best
way IMO is for the developers to keep upgrading their software. Those of
us that use these awesome creations can help by encouraging the developers
and suggesting improvements and offering constructive criticism.
Most of us don't really pay attention to the spamming and slamming of these
programs but what we do notice is which ones work best for us... and those
are the ones we will use. And that's what makes a winner.
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Frog
>If people want to promote a particular remailer client or server the best
>way IMO is for the developers to keep upgrading their software. Those of
>us that use these awesome creations can help by encouraging the developers
>and suggesting improvements and offering constructive criticism.
Poor Christman is desperate for attention.
With QS still without a GUI and already bigger than JBN, he is in dead
end.
More bashing of Frog-Admin and more flooding to bring attention on the
lousy programmer and make the idiot look like a victim won't change a
thing on QS' flaws.
anon...@remailer.hastio.org
So many? Sock puppets count.
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Nomen Nescio
wrote:
>We all know that frog is behind the flooding/trolling in this group.
>Nothing you say can change that.
You may accuse Frog-Admin of being the flooder, Dingo-Admin of being a
FA clone, raise trolls by thousands and make as many unfounded
statements as you please.
QS is still in beta, buggy and although it does not have a GUI it is
already bigger than JBN.
QS will never be the mainstrzeam remailer client to fulfill your sick
ego.
But, while 1) is pointless, 2) is hopeless, so 1) is the only way to
evacuate your frutration.
Did you ever consider suicide?
Frog
<nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>In article <HQGNU9KP3776...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
And more name-calling may temporarily distract attention, but won't
help QS' case either.
bleep
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Anonymous wrote:
> On Sat, 24 May 2003, Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
> snip
>>
>>I personally wish everyone involved would just grow up and let the network
>>go back to being used for anonymous mailing and posting, rather than a
>>means by which to punish those you disagree with.
>
> Most remops routinely allow their remailers (and the network) to be used as
> a means to punish people who their users disagree with. Remailers are the
> troll's weapon of choice on Usenet for just that reason. Abuse has no real
> meaning when left in the hands of a remop who doesn't care about abuse nor
> the network he joins to propagate abuse. In fact, "join" is too formal a
> word to use here, jumping on a bandwagon is more fitting.
>
> Without the network acting like a network you're wish will never be
> granted. Though a gang of rogue computer geeks whose only common interest
> is running compatible remailer software does technically meet the
> definition of a network, your "wish" screams for much more of a network
> than that. Until "the network grows up enough" to mature into a
> responsible entity, those who jump on the bandwagon will always keep it
> just where you wish it wouldn't be. That is, a means to punish people who
> their users disagree with. When some remops act responsibly but those who
> won't do not receive any retribution whatsoever, it's a network only in the
> sense of interconnectivity, not in the sense of philosophy or policy.
>
> The "network" is not only badly in need of an abuse policy of its own, but
> it's way overdue for a plan to monitor itself and address that abuse when
> it does occur. Maybe if your bandwagon had a sign stating ITS OWN abuse
> policy, rather than letting remop wannabes who have no intention to stop
> abuse jump on it, the bandwagon would more closely resemble a network and
> you'd be closer to having your wish granted.
So what is the network to do to stop all this horrible punishment, filter on
content? Do you have any suggestions for an abuse policy? I have one;
define abuse. What kind of abuse are we talking about? Are we talking about
saying naughty things or are we talking about actual abuse of the remailer
network?
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Nomen Nescio
>>(I have disabled Dingo's keys in QS. I no longer trust your remailer.)
>
>Fine. Good. More bandwidth for me.
Isn'it amazing, the way that user feels he is depriving Dingo or Frog
of anything by not using their remailers?
After all, maybe some method of "pay per message" would be welcome and
teach some idiots some respect. Or if Frog had really switched to
"private", remailer, stats, m2news and all.
Anonymous Sender
>On Sat, 24 May 2003, Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
It is interesting to see that most newly-created remailers are
middleman no-post.
IOW, they may act as entry points to the remailer network, never have
to handle any complaint from the outside world, and are an unattended
(or willing) magnet for flooders of all kind.
It is amusing to see that, when aarg+bunker+cf+cside+gbnq+mercler
dest-blocked Frog, the flood against Frog decreased immediately: the
entry points to the flood had been removed.
This raises the question: which number (or proportion) of
irresponsible entry points should be granted the privilege of being
considered remailers?
Nomen Nescio
Nomen Nescio
> QS will never be the mainstrzeam remailer client to fulfill your sick
Interesting typo, mon ami. Was it intentional?
--
Your friendly RemOp - reading and tracking your mail 24/7
Anonymous
>It is interesting to see that most newly-created remailers are
>middleman no-post.
>IOW, they may act as entry points to the remailer network, never have
>to handle any complaint from the outside world, and are an unattended
>(or willing) magnet for flooders of all kind.
Prove it, liar.
>It is amusing to see that, when aarg+bunker+cf+cside+gbnq+mercler
>dest-blocked Frog, the flood against Frog decreased immediately: the
>entry points to the flood had been removed.
How would you know?
>This raises the question: which number (or proportion) of
>irresponsible entry points should be granted the privilege of being
>considered remailers?
Privilege? Granted by whom, moron? By you? ROTFL!
You have no say in it, worm.
QuickSilver
Hi Dingo,
In article <COMYOU6Q3776...@anonymous.poster>
Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
>
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> On Fri, 23 May 2003, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >In article <L080E9EL37764.5845138889@anonymous.poster>
> >Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
> >>
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> >>
> >> Mr. Christman-
> >>
> >> Both the language used and the sentiment expressed are inappropriate,
> >> especially for someone in your position.
> >
> >Let me think. I have been under attack in this newsgroup for 3 years.
> >There is no doubt in my mind you have seen seen the language used
> >against me. I have never seen you post a kind word towards me or
> >suggest that poster was inappropriate. Considering this, I think your
> >position is entirely inappropriate. I will take this abuse silently no
> >longer. Get used to it. I'll use my freedom of speech as I see fit. And
> >use it I certainly will.
> >
>
> You don't remember my support of you when you publicly admitted your
> programming error? How I pointed out that it took both guts and integrity
> to come forward and admit your mistake?
Yes, I'll acknowledge this :) but it is also fair to point out that
post did not carry the words 'Dingo Admin'. It was posted by a seldom
used persona not known to be related to you. It was a bit later that
you told me it was you. It made me feel good at the time but I thought
that was longer than 3 years ago. If my mental calendar was off, my
apologies. It's nice to see you say it now. Thanks.
You have seen the attacks on me regarding the error you mention.
Nowhere have I seen you say, 'this is an outrageous distortion' or
'this must stop'. You only bring it up now.
Also, it's been a long time since you answered mail from me.
> Quicksilver is a fine program. I have used it myself. I have no bone to
> pick with you, or Peter, or anyone else. I am not an enemy of any of the
> remops, and I am not your enemy.
First let me say, I cannot and do not speak for Len, Peter, Eric or
Zax. My thoughts are my own. Those guys are my heros. If I ever met 1
of them face to face, I'm sure I would be reduced to repeated bowing
and chanting 'I'm not worthy'! They are in a league by themselves, I
can only look in, with amazement, from time to time.
Thank you for this support. It's been a long time coming but it's nice
seeing it in print ;)
> I think you do your program and yourself a serious disservice engaging in
> that kind of a childish snit.
Well, I can understand you feeling this way. Let's chalk this whole
event up to my clearing the air after enduring 3 years of nearly
constant disrespect of the lowest order. Here is a lovely quote from
this very thread.
> At least, you understand that QS is shit and that, among your favorite
> audience, bashing Frog-Admin will give you more applause than having
> authored that overbloated overspammed overhyped crapware.
> Those who feel the urge to bash Frog-Admin have little to stand up by
> themselves.
We've all seen this personality for years, it first appeared shortly
after frog brought his remailer online. It's the same person who
attacked Len and Peter in the quote I included in my original post. Of
course, you can rightly say, 'well you insulted frog bigtime, what did
you expect?' That would ignore the truth. I first spoke against frog
january 28th of this year, while attacks just like the one quoted above
have been present regularly for years.
> >Your response to this is quite like your response to Peter Palfrader
> >when, on the remops list, he told frog to stop the abuse of placing the
> >name/address of an individual he disliked in the X-Remailer-Contact
> >header of all mail leaving frog remailer. Interesting you had nothing
> >to say when this current statement by me appeared in the remops list
> >several days ago.
>
> Your correct when you say I said nothing when this first appeared in the
> remops list. I realize now that was a mistake, I should have said something
> then.
I think you do not address the the issues in a neutral manner. You make
it sound like there has been a great injustice done by me yet you have
nothing to say of the years of abuse that led to my statements. I
believe my statements were appropriate and yours were not. Sorry :)
> As far as Frog's behavior regarding his X-headers, I had private
> correspondence with him about it, as I think the other remailers should
> have done. I don't want to be caught in the middle of anyones little
> pissing contest.
frog made a most public display of this abuse. It was appropriate to
respond to him publicly. The rebuke was in order. You seem like a
reasonable fellow but you cannot expect others to march to your drum.
You ignore history. To you, it appears, this all happens without
provocation. That is simply not right.
I think you trivialize what is going on. It is far more than a pissing
contest. It is a struggle for truth and respect. As it has been said on
the remops list, frog causes more discord among remops than all other
remops combined. You see, it's not just me. What we are seeing now is a
response to an escalation of frog's arrogance. He becomes more arrogant
with each abuse that passes.
> Dingo is enduring it's 3rd solid week of flooding. It is due in part I am
> certain to the infighting among the remops over which remailer software is
> best, Cpunk or Mixmaster. Which closely parallels the public bickering over
> which is better, Jack B Nymble or Quicksilver. All of the above are fine
> programs. Each has there strengths and weaknesses.
I'm sorry you find yourself flooded. I have floods myself. 600 this
morning. It's not a big deal for me, and I won't try to suggest this is
anywhere near the level of abuse remops are suffering now. I can
honestly say I don't believe Len or Peter have anything to do with the
flooding. I swear I have no knowledge of either of these gentlemen
taking part. You have stood by silently for years only coming out now
to speak against 2 individuals who have spoken against frog. Your
position looks incredibly shallow and 1 sided.
> I personally wish everyone involved would just grow up and let the network
> go back to being used for anonymous mailing and posting, rather than a
> means by which to punish those you disagree with.
You trivialize the affect of unchecked arrogance and the level of
personal attacks going on. Maybe if you had suffered long-term as we
have you might see things differently.
You have pointed out why you feel Peter and I were wrong in our
statements, but I see not a single word regarding the perpetrator of
the abuses--the one who has brought us to where we are at this moment.
And you have not said 'frog is not the flooder' or even 'I say in all
honestly I do not believe frog is involved'. What you say is totally 1
sided and reduces years of personal insults, lies and distortions to
insignificance.
For me, this is a point of no return. You have seen the escalation of
attacks against me since my previous statements regarding frog and the
source of the floods. The questions I posed were worthy of response but
nothing other than anonymous attacks and floods resulted. It is clear
that frog has decided it is now time I left the group. I'd be surprised
if you deny this.
If frog is your friend--and to all who may consider frog a friend--I
say, get him under control. It's as simple as that. I don't belive you
can, and chastising others who speak up under their own names is 1
sided to say the least.
Get frog under control. This is it for me. Do or die so to speak. Do
you really think I can return quietly to my little corner now? You must
realize that to do this would be a first step toward the door. That's
not going to happen. Because of frog's flooding I will be forced to
repost my current statements, and others old and new, quite frequently
until I am convinced everyone has had an opportunity to see and
consider each and every one. This may take a while. My suggestion is
that friends of frog do everything in their power to get him under
control.
Your silence during the greater part of the last several years, your
lack of reply to my mail, your coming out now to publicly denounce 2
indiviuals--victims in the long-term, as it were, can lead a reasonable
person to believe you are not a neutral party. However, I am happy to
set aside any possible misconceptions I may have had regarding your
position and say this is a new day, the past is behind us. No need to
look back.
Regards,
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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QuickSilver
Hi Dingo,
In article <COMYOU6Q3776...@anonymous.poster>
Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, 23 May 2003, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
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> >In article <L080E9EL37764.5845138889@anonymous.poster>
> >Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
> >>
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> >>
> >> Mr. Christman-
> >>
> >> Both the language used and the sentiment expressed are inappropriate,
> >> especially for someone in your position.
> >
> >Let me think. I have been under attack in this newsgroup for 3 years.
> >There is no doubt in my mind you have seen seen the language used
> >against me. I have never seen you post a kind word towards me or
> >suggest that poster was inappropriate. Considering this, I think your
> >position is entirely inappropriate. I will take this abuse silently no
> >longer. Get used to it. I'll use my freedom of speech as I see fit. And
> >use it I certainly will.
> >
>
> >Your response to this is quite like your response to Peter Palfrader
> >when, on the remops list, he told frog to stop the abuse of placing the
> >name/address of an individual he disliked in the X-Remailer-Contact
> >header of all mail leaving frog remailer. Interesting you had nothing
> >to say when this current statement by me appeared in the remops list
> >several days ago.
>
flooding. I swear I have no knowledge of either of these gentlemen or
Eric Arneson for that matter, taking part. You have stood by silently
Regards,
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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Nomen Nescio
>Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>> QS will never be the mainstrzeam remailer client to fulfill your sick
>
>Interesting typo, mon ami. Was it intentional?
Probably not. But it should be noted that while "z" is down on the lower row of English
keyboards, it's right next to the "e" and the "a" on a French keyboard that goes
AZERTY instead of QWERTY.
Nomen Nescio
That sounds like a very serious case against Frog, then.
Frog
Frog-Admin insists on committing the same tale-telling mistake.
That kind of typo was already exposed in "How to loose your
anonymity".
Congratulations for being so quick in revealing it.
Nomen Nescio
wrote:
>I first spoke against frog january 28th of this year,
That is immediately after Froh-Admin created JBN Quickstart.
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
Interesting coincidence, indeed
Nomen Nescio
Yeah, that was great detective job, indeed, quick and to the point.
What a looser!
Thanks a lot.
Anonymous
You say immediately after frog created the jbn quickstart. Maybe you
just misspoke. January 24 does not actually come immediately after
September 28 of the preceding year.
An Metet
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Yeah, that was great detective job, indeed, quick and to the point.
Fritz Wuehler
>NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.
>No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Richard-
>
>As I have stated, I am not your enemy. Perhaps (?) I have been too quiet
>too long, and chosen wrongly as to when to speak out. I guess the constant
>attacks on QS kind of became "background noise" to me in APAS, whereas the
>attacks on Frog stood out.
>
>Based on what you said, and statements from other remops, I have obviously
>given the impression that I support what Frog is doing, and in doing so,
>directly or indirectly support his attacks on QS, APAS, Peter, Len, et. al.
>
>Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let me take a moment to clear the
>air.
>I do not support the floods, obviously. I do not suppport what Frog is
>doing with his X-Headers, and I am just a hairsbreadth away from blocking
>him myself because of it. I am loath to block him, to institute the
>equivalent of a UDP, simply based on (admittedly strong) circumstantial
>evidence. But the X-Headers issue is clear. If the X-Headers remain as they
>are currently, I will have no choice as a responsible remop to block him.
>This will happen very very soon, if there is no change.
>Quicksilver is an excellent program. You have labored long and hard on it,
>and received no pay for your efforts. You have also endured slanderous
>attacks in APAS, and also, I'd guess, privately by email.
>I stand in support of you, and your efforts. Also in support of Len
>Sassman, Peter Palfrader, and the rest of the gang working on MinMinion.
>Dingo Admin
>dingo...@dingoremailer.com
I'm glad to hear this and I hate to say "break links to remailers" is ever a solution to anything,
any more than anyone likes to be cut open, but this one remailer is acting like a cancer on the
whole network.
I see better where you're coming from now and I hope you see how I could see that post
you made as an attack on Richard.
Zax
Hash: SHA1
Dingo Admin wrote:
Dingo,
Good posting, and you have my respect for it if that means anything.
APAS and the Remailer Network are going through a rough patch at the
moment, mostly due to heavy flooding, trolling, and small-mindedness
by some individuals. I find it really pleasing to see that you and
Richard sorted this issue out in a manner that IMO does you both
credit.
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QuickSilver
In article <ZBS4GAYP3776...@anonymous.poster>
Dingo Admin <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.
> No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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>
> Richard-
>
> As I have stated, I am not your enemy. Perhaps (?) I have been too quiet
> too long, and chosen wrongly as to when to speak out. I guess the constant
> attacks on QS kind of became "background noise" to me in APAS, whereas the
> attacks on Frog stood out.
>
> Based on what you said, and statements from other remops, I have obviously
> given the impression that I support what Frog is doing, and in doing so,
> directly or indirectly support his attacks on QS, APAS, Peter, Len, et. al.
>
> Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let me take a moment to clear the
> air.
>
> I do not support the floods, obviously. I do not suppport what Frog is
> doing with his X-Headers, and I am just a hairsbreadth away from blocking
> him myself because of it. I am loath to block him, to institute the
> equivalent of a UDP, simply based on (admittedly strong) circumstantial
> evidence. But the X-Headers issue is clear. If the X-Headers remain as they
> are currently, I will have no choice as a responsible remop to block him.
> This will happen very very soon, if there is no change.
>
> Quicksilver is an excellent program. You have labored long and hard on it,
> and received no pay for your efforts. You have also endured slanderous
> attacks in APAS, and also, I'd guess, privately by email.
>
> I stand in support of you, and your efforts. Also in support of Len
> Sassman, Peter Palfrader, and the rest of the gang working on MinMinion.
>
> Dingo Admin
> dingo...@dingoremailer.com
Thank you, Dingo.
Regards
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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Anonymous
> Dingo Admin <dingo...@dingoremailer.com> wrote:
> >
>
> < deleted forked-tongued drivel >
>
> > my statement that people should
> > grow up was directed at bandwidth wasting whiny little non-contributors
> > attempting to defame someones reputation for no good reason at all. People
> > who contribute NOTHING at all to the remailer network, but feel that they
> > have to attack those who contribute.
> >
> > As I said before, use Dingo or don't. I don't care one way or the other.
> >
> > Dingo Admin
> > dingo...@dingoremailer.com
>
> Oh, this from some scared weasel who hides behind a middleman remailer,
> supposedly carrying no responsibility for anything that goes through.
>
> You've back way off your original crap posted about Christman, you
> double-talking weasel.
>
> It's about time QS users start some bashing. We've sat here long
> enough taking crap from the likes of you, cheshire, frog and the jbn
> crowd. We can turn this group into even more shit than you dirtbags
> already have.
>
> If you can't take the heat, get out of the remailer business, you
> whining dickhead.
If this is a QS user, why does it sound so much like frog?
ATRU
news:ZBS4GAYP3776...@anonymous.poster:
> I do not support the floods, obviously. I do not suppport
> what Frog is doing with his X-Headers, and I am just a
> hairsbreadth away from blocking him myself because of it. I
> am loath to block him, to institute the equivalent of a
> UDP, simply based on (admittedly strong) circumstantial
> evidence. But the X-Headers issue is clear. If the
> X-Headers remain as they are currently, I will have no
> choice as a responsible remop to block him. This will
> happen very very soon, if there is no change.
Dingo-Admin: although I acknowledge, unlike some others
here, that the best policy is for remops to run their
shops in a fashion consistent with their own needs and
values, please don't introduce more broken links into the
network. It is no accident that many use Frog in their
reply-blocks; Frog-Admin runs a first-rate remailer,
capable of reliable use in complex reply-blocks *and*
which also happens to be in a country (France) not noted
for its ready cooperation with legal requests from
outside. More harm done to people who truly need
anonymity than is readily apparent when links are
deliberately broken; and this truism equally applies to
both Frog-Admin and the remops which have broken their
links to Frog.
I believe that the community of remops should grow
larger, not smaller. However, a larger pool of
remailers and remops and other contributors will
inevitably lead to clashes amongst them based on both
philosophy and practice and personality. I believe
that is what we're witnessing here. This should be
*expected*; it means in a sense that the remailing
community is coming of age, so to speak. Talk of
holding remops to some unverifiable "code of conduct"
because of some need to "trust" remops (when in fact
the network is built on a not having to trust anyone
in particular) can only serve to keep the network
small and weak and at risk of being crushed. After all,
a group of people who agree nearly 100 % on everything
isn't a network, but a cult.
As for Frog-Admin, I've defended him, true, but that's
more by me being goaded by what I see as the incessant
and frequently inaccurate and unfair attacks on him.
The fact that Frog-Admin too has been subjected to an
endless barrage of verbal abuse is conviently ignored by
the Frog-bashers. I'd probably be more vocal my criticism
of him if it weren't for this.
But even if Frog-Admin disappeared in a puff of green
smoke tommorrow, some of those who want to ban him also
are talking openly of campaigning for the same with
Cheshire, because they don't see Cheshire as "pure"
enough for the network. These people want to make the
choices for us users on how a "real" remailer should be
run, instead of letting users decide which remailers
serve their needs best. In the end, I see this as a
battle between those of us who want the network to be a
"big tent", tolerant of wide variations in practice and
philosophy, vs those who want it to be a "small circle"
of like-minded people who users are supposed to "trust"
because of their supposed "free speech values".
Let me quote a post by SB which illustrates this very
philosophy that I am warning against:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=90h4msokv
rnenqdsnursvikqu1er7jt8re%404ax.com>
---
Orange Admin, RProcess, Stray Cat, Adam Back, Ulf Mueller,
Michael Shinn, Swiss Admin, ANON.XG.NU Admin, Ian Goldberg,
Lance Cottrell. Names you can trust. We trust them because
we've read their words and seen their actions. They value
anonymity. They value freedom of speech. These core values
shine though both in their web sites, their posts and in even
in their absence from a particular thread. This is what I
trust.
And I don't accept the blunt, un-supported statements so
often heard here:
The remailer system is based on LACK of TRUST. Even an owned
remailer is useful if properly chained through. Eelbash is
okay in the middle of a chain. Frog, Eelbash, Piratech(?) can
run their remailers any way they want. Broken chains are the
ultimate curse. Locusts and broken chains will rain down on
your crops and and your villages....!
----
The opinions in this post, I believe, are simply wrong.
Wrong because you really can't tell anything about
someone's trustworthiness based on what you've read
on usenet. Wrong because even if you could tell, "free
speech values" does not equal technical competence or
good practical judgement or degree of service. Wrong
because it doesn't seem to care much about the consequences
of mail loss (I find it highly ironic that some of those
contending that remailers exist to serve "freedom fighters"
in desperate need then sometimes belittle the consequences
of mail loss--what, do they think that all those "freedom
fighters" are just sending trivial howdy-doodys to each
other?).
OTH, I "trust" Frog-Admin not because I think he's a
swell guy with impeccable free speech values who always
takes courses of action I agree with. But I do see
this: when I use Frog remailer in my reply-blocks the
mail invariably goes through. I trust not him, but
the network and the encryption protocols, to safeguard
my anonymity. The best criteria for a "good" remop is
that he/she runs a full-featured, highly reliable, and
well-maintained remailer. That's the only criteria I
can really verify myself.
Frog-Admin strikes me as a person who is usually
technically correct, but whose social graces aren't
always up to snuff. The X- header incident strikes
me for all the world like the actions of a nym poster
on a group I read, who had his nym repeatedly mailbombed
despite complaints to WebTV (the ISP of the mailbomber)
while WebTV lifted not a finger against the flooder.
So he turned his reply blocks back against the flooder,
so that the flooder got flooded by his own flood in
replicate. Now, that's not something *I* would have
done, but what else to do with irresponsible ISPs
who don't enforce their own ToSs?
Lastly, have you noted that the Frog's X-headers now
have been changed to read the following?
---
X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/
In case my abuse address is unreachable: It is
because I have been flooded by <m...@uiuc.edu>,
please contact <ab...@uiuc.edu>
---
To me this an acceptable change.
Do what you think right; But please consider what I've
written.
Thanks,
ATRU
Anonymous
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/
>In case my abuse address is unreachable: It is
>because I have been flooded by <m...@uiuc.edu>,
>please contact <ab...@uiuc.edu>
>
>---
>To me this an acceptable change.
I don't consider changing this line from one outright lie to another is acceptable in any
way. Why do you? The allegation that Michael G. Gardner, a long-time and respected
anti-spam advocate, has flooded Frog-Admin, is completely and utterly without credibility.
It is an absurdly unbelievable lie, like Frog-Admin's similar outrageous lie that Len Sassaman
and the rot26 admin are flooding him.
None of these nonsense allegations have the slightest basis in fact and whenever called upon
to present any evidence of these ridiculous claims, Frog-Admin has backpedalled so fast
he practically took flight. Usually requests for evidence about these lies are (surprise!) followed
by floods of spam from "anonymous" posters as well as "Script-Kiddie" floods.
What makes you think these allegations are in the least credible?
Nomen Nescio
wrote:
>way. Why do you? The allegation that Michael G. Gardner, a
>long-time and respected
CHRISTMAN
You respect too many people too often, that gives you out
BTW
You are *not* respectable either, just a denizen from the sewer where
you lure those of your supporters which are not sock puppets.
Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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ATRU
in news:QZKCBQYI37...@anonymous.poster:
The trolling/flooding can have at least three possible
explanations, as I and others have pointed out. Besides,
on the "anonymous" posters bit, a fair number I'm reading
are stridently anti-Frog, repetitively so, and have been
for some time. Why should I be chastised for thinking
that at least some of these are someone's sock puppets,
too? Heck, you trip over at least one Frog-basher
post in every thread now. (And they're not in Frog-
Admin's now-infamous writing style at all, if that
means anything to people who think that writing style
cinches all).
One little fact it seems that everyone's ignoring in all of
this bruhaha is that Frog's newsserver got flooded in the
last flood by anti-Frog posts. Note this isn't consistent
at all with previous accusations made by Richard and others
that Frog's either the flooder or in cahoots with flooder
because he was able to successfully filter out previous
floods: this time Frog's server got flooded but Frell's
stayed cleaner. So, is Richard now going to be accuse
Frell as being the flooder, if the same logic as was used
previously?
> What makes you think these allegations are in the least
> credible?
Because I, nor you, have first-hand the data to say
one way or another, about either the Gardner incident
nor the pissing contests between Peter and Len and Frog-
Admin. While one might legitimately speculate about Frog-
Admin's motives concerning conflicts over policies and
the future of the network with Peter and Len, what could
be his motivations against Gardner? Frog's remailer has
antispam filters in place, while Tonga, Freedom, Lemuria,
and others don't filter at all. Try the shoe on the other
foot and you'll see it doesn't fit that way, either.
And there is a larger good here that is being
ignored--Frog's remailer is highly useful for many
that need it, especially in reply-blocks. I'm loathe
to see people denied its use just because of
unsubstantiated claims and usenet pissing contests. If
I were God of the remailing network, I'd end all
deliberately broken links, the ones established by
both Frog-Admin and anti-Frog remops.
I repeat: there is a larger good that the network
serves that is being ignored in all of this. (I hope
that Frell-Admin's follows up his post on the remop
list; I'd like to see how he reasons).
ATRU
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Tarapia Tapioco
wrote:
>What makes you think these allegations are in the least credible?
Because Frog got flooded 90 minutes after he accused Palfrader and
Sassaman.
Because Frog has a 4-year history of being abused, flooded and bashed
by your ilk
Because Palfrader has a record of lying about Cpunk, on sitting on
apas 24/7 to troll and terrorize newbies.
Because Sassaman was so discreet about his professional disaster at
PGP security and has a few vested interests at demolishing Cpunk and
taking over the remailer network.
Because Sassaman has a record as a xenophobe
Because Frog remailer and mail2news deliver messages, while the
accomplishments of Frog-bashers are far from outstanding.
Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Nomen Nescio
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Zax
Hash: SHA1
Tarapia Tapioco wrote:
You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
words that you have to voice them anonymously.
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
>You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
>It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
>words that you have to voice them anonymously.
It is worth noting that you challenge the legitimacy of anonymous
posting.
news:bb0g45$d7g$2...@bananasplit.info will definitely be a keeper:
|Remember that the Zax troll hates remailers so badly
|that he challenged the legitimacy of anonymous posting,
|even to report evidence which could be checked by anyone.
|see news:bb0g45$d7g$2...@bananasplit.info
starwars
wrote:
>What makes you think these allegations are in the least credible?
Because Frog got flooded 90 minutes after he accused Palfrader and
starwars
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
>Because I, nor you, have first-hand the data to say
>one way or another, about either the Gardner incident
Bull. Gardner isn't a flooder. Only a complete liar would say that.
It is completely and utterly out of character. The "basis" for the flooding
allegation was a series of "remailer-key" requests which, in fact,
flooded Gardner. Frog asks us to believe that Gardner would
deliberately flood himself and then, bizarrely, accuses Gardner of
flooding him. Then he encourages people to flood Gardner and the
abuse admin at UIUC by putting them in every outgoing message from
his abusive remailer, thereby massively spambaiting them.
>nor the pissing contests between Peter and Len and Frog-
>Admin. While one might legitimately speculate about Frog-
>Admin's motives concerning conflicts over policies and
What pissing contests between Peter and Len and Frog-Admin?
The only person pissing here is Frog. Peter and Len continue developing
the network. Frog continues flooding it and attacking the Mixmaster
developer team and Mixmaster remailer operators.
>the future of the network with Peter and Len, what could
>be his motivations against Gardner? Frog's remailer has
What's his motivation for flooding apas for years? At some point,
it's a waste of time even wondering why a lunatic perpetrates lunacy.
He's insane.
An Metet
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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An Metet
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
>It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
>words that you have to voice them anonymously.
It is worth noting that you challenge the legitimacy of anonymous
Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Nomen Nescio
>You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
>It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
>words that you have to voice them anonymously.
It is worth noting that you challenge the legitimacy of anonymous
Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Nomen Nescio
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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An Metet
>You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
>It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
>words that you have to voice them anonymously.
The worse trolls in apas: champerty aka secure beer aka ....,
Boschloo, average joe, and yourself, ostensibly post their messages
without remailers.
The facts exposed are verifiable using google or statistics at hand,
and don't need anybody to back them up.
It is amazing that the Zax troll (like in in his time the Champerty
troll) is challenging the possibility to post pertinent material in
apas in an anonymous way.
Also, remember that the Zax troll posted so much verifiably false
information regarding Frog that he eventually received a 'blanket
denial'
Also, ezmember that the pretense of Zax troll at being an expert is a
matter of public joke
BEWARE
ZAX posing as an Expert -AGAIN-
|EXPERT:
|Contrarily to common belief,
|an expert is not somebody able to solve complicated problems
|an expert is someone unable to find simple solutions
| (and he does it for a price)
|
|Example of Expert:
|QS's Richard Christman, expert es privacy, programming, OS
|and incidentally proven troll, spammer and queen of the world
But ZAX and his inability to use a News Reader, to recognize a D-News
link, and afraid of surfing the Web, while posing as a News Servers
and Mail2news expert, (which he promised one year ago); ZAX believing
that E-mail addresses are case-sensitive -that is a strong contender
for '2003 contest, category: experts-.
Zax is also a strong favorite in the "Troll feeder" category.
Nomen Nescio
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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An Metet
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
>way. Why do you? The allegation that Michael G. Gardner, a
>long-time and respected
CHRISTMAN
You respect too many people too often, that gives you out
BTW
You are *not* respectable either, just a denizen from the sewer where
you lure those of your supporters which are not sock puppets.
An Metet
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous Sender
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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starwars
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
Anonymous
Anonymous Sender
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Anonymous
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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An Metet
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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starwars
An Metet
>You are entitled to your opinion of course, same as everyone else.
>It's worth noting though that you have so little faith in your own
>words that you have to voice them anonymously.
The worse trolls in apas: champerty aka secure beer aka ....,
Boschloo, average joe, and yourself, ostensibly post their messages
without remailers.
The facts exposed are verifiable using google or statistics at hand,
and don't need anybody to back them up.
It is amazing that the Zax troll (like in in his time the Champerty
troll) is challenging the possibility to post pertinent material in
apas in an anonymous way.
Also, remember that the Zax troll posted so much verifiably false
information regarding Frog that he eventually received a 'blanket
denial'
Also, remember that the pretense of Zax troll at being an expert is a
Nomen Nescio
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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Christman looser felt the urge for more rant:
<SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
Why don't you suicide?
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Nomen Nescio
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
>
>>Because I, nor you, have first-hand the data to say
>>one way or another, about either the Gardner incident
>
>Bull. Gardner isn't a flooder.
How do you know?
Are you Gardner?
Are you on a farting acquaintance with him, or his confessor, or his
boy friend?
Or is it that anybody bullying Frog automatically becomes your friend,
like Average Joe, Boschloo, Burnore, Pangborn, Champerty, Zax, SK,
Christman, Sassaman, Palfrader ... (how many different people are
under those nicks and you, God only knows)
Anonymous
wrote:
>way. Why do you? The allegation that Michael G. Gardner, a
Anonymous Sender
An Metet
wrote:
Anonymous
Fritz Wuehler
An Metet
> I think you trivialize what is going on. It is far more than a pissing
> contest. It is a struggle for truth and respect. As it has been said on
> the remops list, frog causes more discord among remops than all other
> remops combined. You see, it's not just me. What we are seeing now is a
> response to an escalation of frog's arrogance. He becomes more arrogant
> with each abuse that passes.
This will continue, Frog-Admin is well and truly beyond arrogance. No
regrets, no remorse, and *NO APOLOGY* for running Azerty without announcing
the shared operator status. You have to wonder, just what is s/h/it up to
these days?
> I'm sorry you find yourself flooded. I have floods myself. 600 this
> morning. It's not a big deal for me, and I won't try to suggest this is
> anywhere near the level of abuse remops are suffering now. I can
> honestly say I don't believe Len or Peter have anything to do with the
> flooding. I swear I have no knowledge of either of these gentlemen
> taking part. You have stood by silently for years only coming out now
> to speak against 2 individuals who have spoken against frog. Your
> position looks incredibly shallow and 1 sided.
$PERSON posts something critical of Frog-Admin using a replyable email
address.
The replyable email address is mailbombed senseless.
Frog-Admin points people at his website, "Do not use a replyable address".
The only purpose this serves is to "divide and conquer". Individuals who
might otherwise pool resources and make some contribution to anonymity on the
Internet are isolated. With no way for them to be contacted and facts
verified, a free-for-all character assassination can commence. Enter
Frog-Admin's happy little minions clutching their precious copy of the
Script-Kiddie 666 bit key, and their WhiteRabbit version of JBN.
> > I personally wish everyone involved would just grow up and let the network
> > go back to being used for anonymous mailing and posting, rather than a
> > means by which to punish those you disagree with.
>
> You trivialize the affect of unchecked arrogance and the level of
> personal attacks going on. Maybe if you had suffered long-term as we
> have you might see things differently.
Even Stray Cat appears to have given up. :-(
> Get frog under control. This is it for me. Do or die so to speak. Do
> you really think I can return quietly to my little corner now? You must
> realize that to do this would be a first step toward the door. That's
> not going to happen. Because of frog's flooding I will be forced to
> repost my current statements, and others old and new, quite frequently
> until I am convinced everyone has had an opportunity to see and
> consider each and every one. This may take a while. My suggestion is
> that friends of frog do everything in their power to get him under
> control.
Unfortunately there appears to be a distinct lack of volunteers to set up the
lithium drip.
Anonymous
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Anonymous
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Anonymous
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Anonymous
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
Anonymous Sender
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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An Metet
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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Nomen Nescio
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Richard Christman felt the urge to spit:
>SNIP>
STFU, Christman
Bashing Frog or supporting Average Joe won't make your shitty
overbloated crapware any better.
QuickShit is already bigger than JBN2 and still doesn't have a GUI.
This is a dead end.
1) Why don't you suicide?
2) Will there be more bugs on your corpse than on QuickShit?
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