Hi Folks!

I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here
is a snippet of the article.

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7f76ec249f44f8df9e72280b8f32a73b%
40dizum.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain>
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I look at this and think...who the fuck does frog think he is? Then I
realized it was the troll! What about you? Have you not seen frog talk
exactly like this a hundred times? The details that led to these
statements are unimportant. It's always the same. The obvious truth is,
Len and Peter are well respected among their peers. Frog is not. Len is
frequently asked to speak before groups. He is a world renowned expert
on communications security. In the remops list a few days ago Kat
asked, "Who ever asked frog to speak anywhere?". Do a google search on
Len and Peter. You'll find they are quite active. frog is a madman who
believes he can dominate the future with lies, disinformation and
fantasies--all by himself.

Am I to believe that FROG-ADMIN is so far ahead, so far beyond mortal
men that he can rightfully denegrate these well respected gentlemen? Am
I to believe that he and his aged software are all I need and he'll
protect me? The man is a raving lunatic.

There is a very disturbing agenda at work here. Frog is against all
remailer/client software except Reliable and JBN. Whenever individuals
point out that one piece or the other really needs a bit of updating,
king frog nips that in the bub by proclaiming the feature to be bad or
unnecessary. This has never changed. Never a single update for his
beloved software and users in 4-5 years. He programs in VB. Why won't
he update it? Why won't anyone? There are many well respected
individuals working on mixmaster and the generations that will follow
that. There is absolutely no one working on future generations of
cpunk. It was a good answer in it's day, but that day is drawing near
to an end. To you few reliable operators out there, I know you believe
in your remailer software, and I know your pride is real. I also know
if you run a windows box, you don't currently have a choice and you
don't have an upgrade path. That's just how frog wants it. If he has
his way, you never will.

There is movement among remops to delist frog from remailer stats
reports--effectively blocking his remailer. I'd like to add my voice to
this chorus, even though I am not a remailer operator. I'm an author of
remailer client software and as frog has said, I have a vested
interest. However, my interest is not simply in mixmaster as frog
whines. I have a vested interest in the future of privacy. I'm going to
be part of it. I was here when RProcess first arrived with his plans
for a product called 'potato'. I was here when frog opened his
remailer. I'm here to stay and plan to work with others and do my best
for those who have an appreciation.

Frog has clearly shown an inability to work with others. He's a loner
with a need to dominate. Rarely do we actually see frogs statments
attributed to frog. Most frog attacks are posted anonymously. Oh, you
didn't think frog would stoop to the level of SK? Wake up! SK/frog,
frog/SK, sameo, sameo. Only the name is changed to protect the guilty.
The man thinks he can dominate the future of remailers with lies,
disinformation and fantasies.

I try to be old-school in my beliefs regarding remailer operation. I
believe in allowing the user to have the ultimate decision as to
whether he uses a specific remailer or not. However, in a case where a
remop uses his remailer as a weapon against every single person he
dislikes, and does it everyday for years, that remop must not be
allowed to run a remailer. Look at our group, what curious person could
stop by here and come away with respect for us? Our reputation is for
abuse. Our reputation is for nastiness. Frog-admin is an abuser, caters
to abusers. and decries other responsible remops for not doing same. In
my opinion, just because you CAN allow abuse, does not make it right.
Some abuses tarnish the reputation too much. Frog is the worst abuser
in the history of the remailer network.

I honestly don't think we can make frog go away. We may be plagued with
his trolling and ugliness for years to come. It's always possible that
public humiliation might drive him away, but I doubt it. What we can
do, and should do, is take this little boy's toy away. Take that weapon
out of his hands, It's time. Remops, let's have an end to this
lunatic's reign. He is not the king of the world and has no business
coming here and forcing that attitude down our throats. We all have
suffered his abuse enough. Give us the satisfaction of seeing this
madman shamed. This is not a case where something has been going on for
a few months and there might be hope for him. He is a raving lunatic
and he has been doing this for 4 years. 4 YEARS!!!! Dump this asshole
and do it now. I know he provides many web pages of remailer network
analysis at his site. If this is lost to us, we'll replace them. There
is no better motivator than need. We'll replace them and I plan to do
some myself. And by the way, where did we ever get the idea we could
trust frog's reports? He has to be manipulating his stats to be hiding
his flooding. So he's not fudging info in other reports?

And this piece of shit thinks he's gonna 'boschloo' me? What a mistake
that was. If I was thinking of leaving I left all those thoughts behind
2 years ago when the QS bashing had been on for a year. I will never go
away.

I'd like to mention Thomas Boschloo. When I see that term 'boschlooed'.
I feel exactly the same way as with the quote I started this post with.
Anger at the author. If you don't know Thomas, I'll tell you, he's a
likable guy. It made me smile recently when I saw him described thus,
'He's a loon. A harmless, well-meaning loon, but a loon
nonetheless.' Pretty accurate :) He was second only to Champerty in
speaking out against frog. I can also say I've never seen a mean-
spirited post by him. He is the kind of person you and I would have a
smile for. Frog, on the other hand, tried to beat him to the ground and
push him out the door. Big man, frog. Thomas did not leave this group
because of frog's attacks on him. We didn't quit talking to him because
of those attacks either. The truth is, none of us have had much to say
for a long, long time. Every sentence we write is twisted into
something ugly by frog and posted anonymously hundreds of times. If we
can ever shake off this lunatic, maybe, in time, we can go back to
being a friendly, interesting group again. Maybe Thomas will come
around from time to time. I'd like to see that. But even more, I'd like
to see _us_ become a friendly, interesting group enjoying open
discussion again. For the most part frog has put an end to free speech
in our group.

Looking back, Thomas was saying the same things then that I am saying
now. He saw it and knew if he waited for solid evidence he'd never be
able to speak. He was capable, just as all of us, of putting 2 and 2
together.

A lot of you don't know the truth about Champerty. He was, in fact,
voluntary maintainer of the APAS FAQ. It still contains much of his
work. In the incident where frog outted an abuser using a secretly run
second remailer to catch the flooder (4 years ago), he became much too
emotionally involved in his dispute with frog. I know the feeling and
stay away from it. Champerty left in disgust and passed the FAQ chores
to Computer Cryptology who kindly has maintained our FAQ ever since.
Many of you will note that you have never seen another post by CC other
than the FAQ. Oh, they use to take part here, but it got too nasty. Yet
they carry on maintaining our FAQ never asking anything in return.

Did Champerty ever troll frog? I don't know. The references frog makes
ring no bells with me, but then frog is a liar. He's a lying sack of
shit. What do I think, if Champerty really did troll frog? Fuck frog.
That's what I think.

I'm not going to ask frog's reply to any questions in this post. He has
no exonerating evidence. He'll never reply. He's a lunatic on the
loose. I'll just direct a personal note specifically to him.

Did you really think you would...you know...get rid of me? What a dumb
shit you are. What'll it be today? My own personal flood. I know you
like that. Your favorite tool, so to speak. Maybe sign me up for some
nice mailing lists? Auto-responders? Spammers? Whatever. No problem.
Well, how about sending me a virus or 2 daily. How could I know that
was you? Your floods!. The virus emails frequently had the odd subject
of 'CellPadding'. It never made any sense to me until one day one of
your flood messages in the group had the subject CellPadding. Actually
there were several variations on it. No big deal. Maybe forge my
address on a virus email and send it to some other enemy of yours? Or
will it be the coup de gras--will you somehow bring the scientologists
lawyers down on me like you did on Len, just days ago? You are such a
clever child! You really should be careful. Pick the wrong person to
harrass, they might have time on their hands and be even more evil than
you. Oh...sorry, that's not possible.

If you are a remop who disagrees with me today, I'm sorry, I feel if
you would look at the evidence with an open mind you would feel as I,
and nearly everyone else here does. Probably frog has never uttered an
unkind word to you. That is a facade. A false front. He's a lunatic.
I'm sorry you are fooled. To continue to fight for him, is to continue
to condone the abuses that have plagued this group, these people, and
others for years. Give _us_ your support. Stand for something good. Do
it for Len and Peter. Do it for Computer Cryptology, Eric Arneson, Zax
and, what the hell, do it for me too! I've taken my share as well. We
are the ones who have stayed with hope our group could become a decent
place again.

Regards to all,

Richard
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R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quicksil...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net

I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.

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http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html

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