what is all this CRAP
starwars
Champerty. Where the hell can people have serious threads about anon
servers without having to sift through all this CRAP?
Nomen Nescio
Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer
Yeah right!
Feed the troll by going to his server.
Get lost you idiot.
Doc.Cypher
You forgot to mention the ability to check if your posts made it to the
mail2news server on *any* group.
I mean, you gotta cooperate - traffic analysis isn't easy, is it?
Doc.
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The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.
~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net
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Doc.Cypher
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Anonymous <nob...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>Doc.Cypher wrote:
>> You forgot to mention the ability to check if your posts made it to the
>> mail2news server on *any* group.
>>
>> I mean, you gotta cooperate - traffic analysis isn't easy, is it?
>
>Sorry Doc, I'm a little slow tonight. Care to explain what you mean?
>I don't understand "check if your posts made it to the mail2news
>server on *any* group." or the quip about cooperating and traffic
>analysis.
Okay, I'll bite.
In Frog-Admin's "Remailing Survival Kit"...
NewsServer+WebToNews
->Read Flood/Troll-free, 90 days retention (apas+aam only)
->Check if your posts reached the M2news
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
->Check the list of M2news-supported newsgroups
First off, checking if your post made it to the mail2news gateway is no
indication that it will propogate elsewhere. I've looked at Frog-Admin's
news server a few times in the past couple of weeks. I've seen posts made
to APA-S that showed up there, but not on any of the other news servers I
have access to.
Second, why bother using remailers to be anonymous, then connect to the
system your anonymous message was processed by upon leaving the network?
This part of the service on offer is a genuine hazard to users. Even if no
logs were maintained at Frog-Admin's end, it would allow linking a user
with their posts if they were being monitored at their ISP connection.
Establishing the link between user and message is what traffic analysis is
all about. It's what Frog-Admin did when he ran azerty...
Doc.
- --
The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.
~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net
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Zax
Hash: SHA1
Doc.Cypher wrote:
> First off, checking if your post made it to the mail2news gateway
> is no indication that it will propogate elsewhere. I've looked at
> Frog-Admin's news server a few times in the past couple of weeks.
> I've seen posts made to APA-S that showed up there, but not on any
> of the other news servers I have access to.
Presumably because they were only posted via Frog’s M2N which then
injects to his own DNews server? This doesn’t mean they were only
sent to Frog’s M2N as he aliases others when there are known
problems, such as those at Dizum recently. There is nothing
particularly wrong or underhand about this as Frog-Admin quite openly
states that he is doing it. Users should be clearly aware though
that despite them specifying a certain M2N, the final Remailer has
the power to override that choice.
I haven’t tried it myself, but presumably a message injected into the
network using a chain of random,random,frog and specifying a
recipient of mail...@dizum.com, would in fact currently emerge via
Frog’s M2N.
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Zax
Hash: SHA1
Zax wrote:
> Doc.Cypher wrote:
>
>> First off, checking if your post made it to the mail2news gateway
>> is no indication that it will propogate elsewhere. I've looked at
>> Frog-Admin's news server a few times in the past couple of weeks.
>> I've seen posts made to APA-S that showed up there, but not on any
>> of the other news servers I have access to.
>
> Presumably because they were only posted via Frog’s M2N which then
> injects to his own DNews server? This doesn’t mean they were only
> sent to Frog’s M2N as he aliases others when there are known
> problems, such as those at Dizum recently. There is nothing
> particularly wrong or underhand about this as Frog-Admin quite
> openly states that he is doing it. Users should be clearly aware
> though
> that despite them specifying a certain M2N, the final Remailer has
> the power to override that choice.
>
> I haven’t tried it myself, but presumably a message injected into
> the network using a chain of random,random,frog and specifying a
> recipient of mail...@dizum.com, would in fact currently emerge
> via Frog’s M2N.
I should have stated this in my previous posting, but it only really
just occurred to me. There is a more serious consideration with
posting via Frog’s M2N or those aliased to it:
Frog-Admin quite openly employs filtering at his News Server, which
was his primary reason for delivering the service in the first place.
For messages reaching his server via other news servers, this has no
implication beyond Frog’s news server. However, for messages
injected via Frog’s M2N, the impact is far-reaching as he is
filtering messages at source. If one of his filters blocks a message
on his news server, then that message will never propagate anywhere.
Looking at the current flood to APAS, not a single message will
emerge via frog’s M2N because they would be filtered at source. Of
course, this could also be because the flooder never sends them to
his M2N.
To summarize: Any message containing a filtered word and posted to
Frog’s M2N, will never make it to Usenet. This wouldn’t occur if he
posted from his M2N to other Usenet servers, but I don’t think this
is currently the case. Just quickly checking through APAS, every
message I’ve looked at that is posted via Frog’s M2N, also appears to
contain Gilgamesh-frogadmin.yi.org as the first entry in the path.
Frog, apologies is this is incorrect. Perhaps you can clarify the
method your M2N uses to inject to Usenet?
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Anonymous
Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
> I haven?t tried it myself, but presumably a message injected into the
> network using a chain of random,random,frog and specifying a
> recipient of mail...@dizum.com, would in fact currently emerge via
> Frog?s M2N.
So will a message to mail...@nym.alias.net/anon.lcs.mit.edu. He
aliased that one a long time ago, not without ranting loudly about lcs'
lousy services.
Posting through frog reduces the number of possible m2n gateways from 4
to 2:
mail...@dizum.com \
mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu -> mail...@frogadmin.yi.org
mail...@frogadmin.yi.org /
mail...@freedom.gmsociety.org -> mail...@freedom.gmsociety.org
Zax
Hash: SHA1
Anonymous wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>>
>>Frog-Admin quite openly employs filtering at his News Server, which
>>was his primary reason for delivering the service in the first
>>place.
> Where do you get that from? Frog made it clear that he had planned
> to have an M2N gateway for some time, though I don't recall that he
> > wanted it for filtering purposes, but put it in place early in
> order to get around the looming fuckup of Hashcash.
I said he applies filtering on his News Server, not his M2N. These
are two different things and no doubt were implemented for different
purposes.
>
>
>> For messages reaching his server via other news servers, this has
>> no
>>implication beyond Frog’s news server. However, for messages
>>injected via Frog’s M2N, the impact is far-reaching as he is
>>filtering messages at source. If one of his filters blocks a
>>message on his news server, then that message will never propagate
>>anywhere.
> Two things:
> > Does anybody use only one M2N gateway when sending a message to a
> newsgroup? I never have, and always assumed it was standard
> practice to use two or three. Anon-post, used with remailers, like
> Dingo, that send such posts directly to their nntp server, also
> provides an
> alternative.
I agree with you that most people will post via multiple M2N
Gateways. This is partly the issue I am raising though. Try sending
a message in the following format:
Chain: Random > Frog
Newsgroup: Some Test Group
To: mail...@dizum.com, mail...@frogadmin.yi.org,
mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu
Put a word in the body that is known to be filtered on Frog's News
Server and see if it appears in a Newsgroup. My point is that if he
is aliasing all those M2N's and then posting only to his own filtered
News Server, then your post will never appear on Usenet.
>
> You are touching on the 'do not block anything' vs. 'filter
> obviously (to the remop) bad stuff' controversy; if you don't like
> the idea of filtering anything, then you will be horrified that
> Frog, or any
> remop, would dare to filter; personally, I think that any remop who
> does not filter is an idiot, and is, in effect, working to destroy
> the remailer system, by giving remailers a bad name, thus helping
> to
> incite a backlash against them.
I agree 100% with filtering, it's every Remops right to do so. It's
important though that the user community (and Remops) understand the
effects of that filtering. In the case of Frogs M2N sending to his
own local News Server, I don't think it was common knowledge at all.
>
> Since one man's 'bad stuff' is another man's 'free speech', we
> should have lots of remailers and lots of M2N gateways. Although
> we have only 4, or maybe it's 3.5, gateways, we have 50 or so
> remailers, and free speech seems to be in pretty good shape in
> Remailerville.
>
> Your attempt to indict Frog for the 'crime' of filtering makes your
> agenda transparent.
My agenda was to say what I said in the clearest way I could, without
accusing Frog of anything. Judging from your message, I didn't say
it as clearly as I had hoped. Sorry, it's not always easy to get
across a technical point especially when it's slightly off the usual
Remailer topic that the group focuses on.
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Just an ignorant guy
Maybe off topic but can you please explain why is that I cannot see a post made by
Richard in response to "The Subject" QS Question post a few threads after this one?
Does this have anything with what you are saying?
Why is it that I can't see but others have already replied to it.
Anonymous
>Frog-Admin quite openly employs filtering at his News Server, which
>was his primary reason for delivering the service in the first place.
MESSAGE-ID WITH VALID FROG PGP SIGNATURE?
That is disinformation in its most disgusting form.
Looming hashcash screw-up, pointing its ugly
censorship_of_the_have_nots face for the second year, was the decisive
event which motivated Frog's annnounce.
Search Google, and you will find FA's stated motives
The part of its statement which impressed me was IIRC that
"he was absolutely not ready, technically, but he had to put his
actions where his mouth was, and the sooner the better his chances to
put people back to reason".
YOU ARE A LIAR
For nearly one year now, you promised an alternate news server and
nothing shows.
YOU ARE A LIAR
You speak like a true Boschloo troll feeder.
You would be happy to dump hundreds of posts by real freedom fighters,
but nobody should touch ther most insane post by your minion
YOUR AGENDA SHOWS
Zax
Hash: SHA1
Just an ignorant guy wrote:
> Maybe off topic but can you please explain why is that I cannot see
> a post made by Richard in response to "The Subject" QS Question
> post a few threads after this one? Does this have anything with
> what you are saying? Why is it that I can't see but others have
> already replied to it.
I don't think this can be attributed to the issues I was raising as
Richard's posting that you refer to is not sent via Frog's Remailer
or his M2N. The posting is visible to me, and is also available on
Frog's News Server, although I notice that the other response from
Secure Beer does not appear on Frog's Server. This is a pity in my
opinion; I don't know or care what the guy has been accused of in the
past, his answer was very constructive and helpful and I don't see
why people should be denied reading it. However, the news server is
Frog’s, so it’s his choice and that of the people who choose to use
it.
Sorry, I digress and will now clamber down from my soap box.
With regard to your missing posts, it seems more likely that it’s a
propagation issue with the server you are getting your news from.
The best suggestion I can make is to suck your news from multiple
sources. If you have a good news reader, you can do this simply by
linking to more than one News Server. I’m assuming you are a Windows
user, if so then I would highly recommend XNews which not only
provides this functionality, but also comes free as an added
incentive.
As a supplement to this, you could consider using Hamster to collate
your news. This is a small and user-friendly news server that can
provide excellent filtering along with multiple feeds so that you
don’t suffer propagation issues.
http://stealth.kirenet.com/~aleinss/hamster.htm
Finally, to aid you in finding good news sources, check out Newzbot
which is an excellent service for tracking down free News Servers.
Most of them won’t let you post, but you can use Mixmaster, QS or JBN
for that. It’s the reading you’re really after.
Hope that helps?
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Zax
Hash: SHA1
Anonymous wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>>Frog-Admin quite openly employs filtering at his News Server, which
>>was his primary reason for delivering the service in the first place.
>
> MESSAGE-ID WITH VALID FROG PGP SIGNATURE?
> That is disinformation in its most disgusting form.
Nope, the link above suggests I'm not spreading any disinformation. I think
you are still confusing an M2N Gateway with a News Server. I would suggest
getting your facts right before launching into one of your ugly attacks,
otherwise you look silly.
> For nearly one year now, you promised an alternate news server and
> nothing shows.
> YOU ARE A LIAR
Really? I am running a news server as I hope nobody in here will confirm to
you. I just have limited bandwidth available and elect not to make it
public knowledge. Whether you wish to believe that or not is entirely your
own choice, just as it is your choice to post evil and intentionally
hurtful messages. So long as you have to hide behind the mask of anonymity
and facelessness to make your vitriolic accusations then you won't worry me
or I suspect any of the other regulars.
>
> You speak like a true Boschloo troll feeder.
If a Boschloo feeder is someone who is prepared to answer him, then I stand
accused. I decide who I answer, not you.
> You would be happy to dump hundreds of posts by real freedom fighters,
> but nobody should touch ther most insane post by your minion
I don't dump a single posting. I migrate yours to a separate group for
anyone who cares to read them, as I do with every single flood posting to
APAS.
> YOUR AGENDA SHOWS
Thank-you for giving me the chance to state my agenda. I'm more than happy
with my conscience and the services I offer.
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Doc.Cypher
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, alm...@beer.com (Secure Beer) wrote:
>On 30 Jan 2003 17:28:51 -0000, "Doc.Cypher"
><doc_c...@redneck.gacracker.org> wrote:
>>On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, hgol...@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:58:14 +0100 (CET), Anonymous
>>><nob...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>>
>>> : To
>>> : me it all this is just more evidence that F-A is indeed the apas flooder.
>>>
>>>The idea you're supposed to get, maybe
>>
>>Thanks for pointing this out.
>>
>>When I did I was called a "hardcore Frog apologist".
>
>I called you that. And I apologize both for the choice of
>words and the under-handed way that I injected them.
Thank you. So few people around here will admit an error of judgement.
>This disruption has been going on for so long and it burns
>me up. And I lose my temper sometimes.
Which is precisely what is desired by the abuser(s).
>If you read some of the points made by Zax in a recent thread you
>will understand more why I feel particularly victimized with what
>is happening at frogadmin.yi.org.
Really, you'd hate being on a jury with me. I've seen nothing that
convinces me "beyond all reasonable doubt" that Frog-Admin and
Script-Kiddie are one and the same.
Unfortunately, I would say that even if Frog-Admin is not directly
responsible for the abuse, it is a series of decisions he has taken that
helped make it possible.
Filter-compliant floods have helped widen the gap between Frog-Admin and
many of the others in the remailer community, and he certainly doesn't come
across with any sort of Gallic charm that might mitigate this. Instead the
unbelievable chutzpa that led him to believe he could get away with running
two remailers is still clearly evident today.
I would have kept out of this if Frog-Admin had given some indication that
he intended to address the points raised by Richard Christman, or had
withdrawn his plan to create a webpage that could potentially be used to
damage the career of Peter Palfrader. He hasn't.
It's ironic, all those old web sites he lists as being brought down by
French censors. Frog-Admin himself has done more damage to privacy and
anonymity in France than any of them could have dreamed of. Even if he shut
up shop right now, his legacy would place significant obstacles in the way
of anyone else trying to set up a remailer in the country.
Doc.
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The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.
~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net
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Doc.Cypher
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>Zax wrote:
>
>> Doc.Cypher wrote:
>>
>>> First off, checking if your post made it to the mail2news gateway
>>> is no indication that it will propogate elsewhere. I've looked at
>>> Frog-Admin's news server a few times in the past couple of weeks.
>>> I've seen posts made to APA-S that showed up there, but not on any
>>> of the other news servers I have access to.
>>
>> Presumably because they were only posted via Frog’s M2N which then
>> injects to his own DNews server?
Okay, can you find Frog's CPunk and Mixmaster stats for the 21st in Google
or on another news server?
Doc.
- --
The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.
~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net
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Zax
Hash: SHA1
Doc.Cypher wrote:
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>
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>>Zax wrote:
>>
>>> Doc.Cypher wrote:
>>>
>>>> First off, checking if your post made it to the mail2news
>>>> gateway is no indication that it will propogate elsewhere. I've
>>>> looked at Frog-Admin's news server a few times in the past
>>>> couple of weeks. I've seen posts made to APA-S that showed up
>>>> there, but not on any of the other news servers I have access
>>>> to.
>>>
>>> Presumably because they were only posted via Frog’s M2N which
>>> then injects to his own DNews server?
>
> Okay, can you find Frog's CPunk and Mixmaster stats for the 21st in
> Google or on another news server?
I'm not even going to bother to look, I'll take your word for it that
they aren't there. :) I’m not sure why this happens as Frog uses
plenty of peers to send his articles. Running his local news server
should improve propagation, rather than reduce it.
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Ignorant guy familiarizing himself
Thanks for the reccomendation, I just installed XNews and seems to, at first glance,
allow for a lot more costumization than OE. I gather, I will be spending the next few
weeks discovering what the app can do.
Is there an active newsgroup that caters to Xnews or newsreaders in general?
Zax
Hash: SHA1
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Ignorant guy familiarizing
himself) wrote
>> http://xnews.newsguy.com
>
> Thanks for the reccomendation, I just installed XNews and seems to,
> at first glance, allow for a lot more costumization than OE. I
> gather, I will be spending the next few weeks discovering what the
> app can do. Is there an active newsgroup that caters to Xnews or
> newsreaders in general?
news.software.readers is probably the best group to try out.
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Doc.Cypher
On 31 Jan 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (No-Gap) wrote:
>On 31 Jan 2003, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>
>>Unfortunately, I would say that even if Frog-Admin is not directly
>>responsible for the abuse, it is a series of decisions he has taken that
>>helped make it possible.
>
>Amazing. I would have thought the abuse was possible because of the
>way the remailer system works.
Yes. Perhaps that was poorly worded. Try "decisions he has made that
enabled the abuse to be more effective".
>>Filter-compliant floods have helped widen the gap between Frog-Admin and
>>many of the others in the remailer community,
>
>Let's see: some demented soul floods apas with an easily-filterable
>flood (if you can filter on the body). Frog-Admin graciously supplies
>a newsfeed to allow people to read apas without the garbage. This
>'widens the gap' between FA and 'many others'. Amazing. Speaking only
>for myself, I am grateful that Frog-Admin has set up the newsfeed, and
>am not conscious of any widening gap between Frog-Admin and myself.
Really, and how many flooding incidents have there been subsequent to
Frog-Admin offering this service? Have the key filtering characteristics
changed significantly?
While we're at it... If you're grateful for Frog-Admin's news service,
would it be reasonable to assume you use it?
Nope, no chance of that. Because, in your desperation to get me to react,
it must've slipped past you that I was following up to someone Frog-Admin
has declared "unmentionable".
This entire thread - as it appears on Frog-Admin's news service - is
seriously distorted. Google is a little better, but I think people should
read it in its entirety before the X-No-Archived posts vanish from their
news servers.
>>It's ironic, all those old web sites he lists as being brought down by
>>French censors. Frog-Admin himself has done more damage to privacy and
>>anonymity in France than any of them could have dreamed of.
>
>His excellent stats, help files, and programs certainly help anybody
>in France who wants to start a remailer, so you can't mean that.
Yes I do.
What do you think will happen if another remailer opens in France?
Whoever is responsible for the abuse will capitalise on the A z e r t y
incident and claim it is operated by Frog-Admin.
>Maybe you mean that he has had some dispute with those in France who
>don't like remailers? But fighting people who are against remailers
>isn't doing damage to privacy, it's helping it; but maybe you are
>referring to something else.
What about fighting people who are in favour of remailers, or even operate
them?
Do you really expect me to believe you don't read the remops list? I'm sure
you've got a copy of "Frog and the Troll" by cmeclax. I wouldn't be
surprised if you can even quote the URL to dig it out of Mike Shinn's
archive from memory.
That's just the latest report of his attitude towards other remailer
operators.
Admit it, splitting the remailer community into warring factions would be a
damn sight more difficult if Frog-Admin didn't come across as an arrogant
smeghead.
Doc.
- --
The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.
~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. https://vmsbox.cjb.net
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A.Melon
> be a damn sight more difficult if Frog-Admin didn't come across as an
> arrogant smeghead.
And let's not forget when Frog-Admin announced that he would make damn
sure every flood mail arrives if it involved Boscloo.
http://freedom.gmsociety.org/pipermail/remops/2001-March/005821.html
Nomen Nescio
What is your problem?
At the time, no remop was filtering the floods at all.
Since then, quite a few remops changed their minds: Frog-Admin
selectively filtered floods, a few remops completely gave up Usenet
support, other remops blocked apas, and most won't tell but everyone
can notice that there are only a few remailers left flooding apas.
Are you against free-flooding, against anti-flood measures, or just
against Frog-Admin, whatever he does or does not?.
Nomen Nescio
What did FA say?
"The COWARDS and the RATS are getting out of their holes"
How does it feel, that you gave out yet another of your multiple
identities?
Hello, and Bye, "Doc Cypher" aka "Secure Beer" aka "Champerty" aka
"Ziggy B" aka "Great Guiding Light" aka "Mother of all Trolls".
A.Melon
>This entire thread - as it appears on Frog-Admin's news service - is
>seriously distorted. Google is a little better, but I think people should
>read it in its entirety before the X-No-Archived posts vanish from their
>news servers.
That would be a shame, indeed.
The little ping-pong game between yourself (as "Doc-Cypher") and
yourself (as "Secure Beer") belongs to every troll-wannabe textbook.
Maybe "I Set your Saddle", who appeared briefly between the official
disparitions of "Champerty" and "Ziggy B", and the coming of "Doc
Cypher" and "Secure Beer", would like to pop in, say a word or two.
You really deserve your title: "Mother of all Trolls", and you are
really a "Great Guiding Light" to them.
Three years of obsession against FA, who committed the unforgivable
offence of early killfiling of "Ziggy B" and "Champerty". Isn't that a
bit sick? You should really seek psychiatric help, you know. Trying to
impersonate FA and his "writing style"; at the same time, splitting
personnalities between "Secure Beer" and "Doc Cypher". No wonder you
completely broke off.
A.Melon
>>sure every flood mail arrives if it involved Boscloo.
>>
>>http://freedom.gmsociety.org/pipermail/remops/2001-March/005821.html
>
> What is your problem?
>
> At the time, no remop was filtering the floods at all.
Nope they weren't. But none of the others said they'd *help* the flood
along and make "damn sure" that the mail bomb arrives if it hurts
boscloo.
> Are you against free-flooding, against anti-flood measures, or just
> against Frog-Admin, whatever he does or does not?.
>
Are you totally blinded to Frog-Admin's deeds and have to defend him in
every way, even when his *own* words convict him?
Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer
Aren't you happy FA was not censoring anything at the time, and shared
your opinion about free speech?
A.Melon
>>>sure every flood mail arrives if it involved Boscloo.
>>>
>>>http://freedom.gmsociety.org/pipermail/remops/2001-March/005821.html
>>
>> What is your problem?
>>
>> At the time, no remop was filtering the floods at all.
>
>Nope they weren't. But none of the others said they'd *help* the flood
>along and make "damn sure" that the mail bomb arrives if it hurts
>boscloo.
Are you Boschloo?
Do you have evidence that Boschloo mailed Frog-Admin, asked his
address to be dest-blocked, and that FA refused to block his address?
For eveybody with eyes, Google provides evidence that Boschloo asked
for the flood, was happy with it, and asked for more.
What would you say of a remop who would block mail against the
recipient's express wish?
Frog-Admin has a reputation of great reliability, and he would not
jeopardize it on such a case.
A.Melon
What did FA say?
Anonymous
>Did you read this entire post comparing the Frog-Admin and the flooder?
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9e86befcbf54bb9f78b4dd73dfac85ba
>%40ecn.org&output=gplain
>
>It's a very convincing indictment of the Frog-Admin...
On 9 Dec 2001, Frog2 <ab...@rr.com> wrote:
> A comparison of Frog-Admin,
> the "Script-Kiddie", Anonymous Trolls
> and other plagues of the privacy community.
>
> ... all one and the same schizophrenic person?
>
>
>Quotes can all be found and confirmed through groups.google.com and
>lexx.shinn.net Remailer Operators list archive, links have been provided
>whereever possible.
>
>________________________________________________________________________
EXCELLENT
It is just like opening some venerable bottle which you had stored in
your cellar for a special occasion, a burgundy whose flavor and aromas
develop with decades.
Or some fine cognac from an oak cask, which you drink sip after sip,
slowly, warming the glass in between your hands, and which you pass
religiously from your nose to your mouth.
Thanks for making those great memories vivid again.
But, no.. it is different, a warmer and darker feeling, like...
I searched my library, and here it is:
#######
... Le scelerat encule Julie; les valets contiennent le pere et la
mere pendant qu'il lime le cul de cette enfant. Delcour, arme de son
rasoir, va lentement detacher la tete.
-Sois long, sois tres long, Delcour, s'ecria-t'il, je veux que ma tres
chere niece se sente mourir, je veux qu'elle souffre aussi longtemps
que je la foutrai.
A peine Delcour a-t'il fait sentir le taillant du rasoir, que les cris
de cette malheureuse retentissent de toutes parts.
-Allez, allez dit Saint-Fond bien introduit dans le cul, mais allez
doucement; vous ne concevez pas le plaisir qui me transporte;
penche-toi, Delcour, que je puisse te branler le vit pendant que tu
travailles; Juliette, adorez les fesses de Delcour: il est un Dieu
maintenant a mes regards. Qu'on approche le cul de la mere, je veux le
baiser pendant que je fais assassiner sa fille.
...
La belle tete de Julie tombe enfin comme celle d'une jolie rose aux
efforts redoubles de l'aquilon.
-Rien n'est aussi voluptueux que ce que viens de faire, dit Saint-Fond
deculant le cadavre: on n'imagine pas le resserrement qui resulte,
dans l'anus, de la lente incision operee sur les vertebres du col:
c'est delicieux! Allons, madame, dit-il a la mere, preparez-vous a me
donner le meme plaisir.
...
...
... La salle entiere etait tendue de noir; des ossements, des tetes
de cadavres, des larmes d'argent, des faisceaux de verges, des
poignards et des martinets ornaient cette lugubre tapisserie; dans
chaque niche etait une des vierges branlees par une tribade, toutes
deux nues, appuyes sur des coussins noirs, ayant les attributs de la
mort perpendiculaires a leur front. Dans le fond de chaque niche, se
voyait l'une des tetes qui venaient d'etre coupees, et pres des
niches, a droite, etait un cercueil ouvert, a gauche une petite table
sur laquelle reposaient un pistolet, une coupe de poison et un
poignard. Par un raffinement d'incroyable barbarie (fait, j'en etais
bien sure, pour plaire a mon amant), j'avais fait scier les trois
troncs des victimes qui venaient d'etre sacrifiees; on n'en avait
conserve que la partie des fesses prise depuis la chute des reins
jusqu'au bas des cuisses, et des morceaux de chair etaient suspendus
par des rubans noirs a hauteur de la bouche, dans chaque
entrecolonnement des niches: ce furent les premiers objets qui
frapperent Saint-Fond.
-Ah, ah, dit-il en venant les baiser, je suis fort aise de retrouver
des culs qui viennent de me donner tant de plaisir.
#######
(Sade: Les prosperites du vice / Juliette et Saint-Fond
P 170-171-172
=========================================
Thank you, Champerty, for letting me experiencing the same kind of
double ecstasy: first when I was crucifiing your ass and your
friends', and now when you make me remember those delicious moments.
"je suis fort aise de retrouver des culs qui m'avaient donne tant de
plaisir"
Anonymous
An Metet
above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
Anonymous
..
La belle tete de Julie tombe enfin comme celle d'une jolie rose aux
efforts redoubles de l'aquilon.
-Rien n'est aussi voluptueux que ce que viens de faire, dit Saint-Fond
deculant le cadavre: on n'imagine pas le resserrement qui resulte,
dans l'anus, de la lente incision operee sur les vertebres du col:
c'est delicieux! Allons, madame, dit-il a la mere, preparez-vous a me
donner le meme plaisir.
..
..
.. La salle entiere etait tendue de noir; des ossements, des tetes
A.Melon
<SNIP Boschloo Rant>
Aren't you DEAD?
I found that one in my library about necrophilia, -what could be done
to you.-
(it is one I had at hand, it is about a fresh corpse, while you are
rather the old smelly kind)
Here it comes: death first, snip, and necrophilia.
=====================================
...
Tout a coup, Estelle se mit a gigoter effroyablement, son cul se mit a
danser devant le nez de Mariette dont les gloussements et les tours de
cul devinrent aussi plus forts. Estelle lancait a droite et a gauche
ses jambes gainees de soie noire et chaussees de souliers a talons
Louis XV. En remuant ainsi, elle donna un coup de pied terrible dans
le nez de Cornaboeux qui en fut etourdi et se mit a saigner
abondamment. "Putain" hurla Cornaboeux et pour se venger il pinca
violemment le cul de Mony. Celui-ci, pris de rage, mordit terriblement
l'epaule de Mariette qui dechargeait en beuglant. Sous l'effet de la
douleur, elle planta ses dents dans le con de sa maitresse qui,
hysteriquement, serra ses cuisses autour de son cou.
-J'etouffe! articula difficilement Mariette, mais on ne l'ecouta pas.
L'etreinte des cuisses devint plus forte. La face de Mariette devint
violette, sa bouche ecumante restait fixee sur le con de l'actrice.
Mony dechargeait, en hurlant, dans un con inerte. Cornaboeux, les yeux
hors de la tete, lachait son foutre dans le cul de Mony en declarant
d'une voix lache:
-Si tu ne deviens pas enceinte, t'es pas un homme!
Les quatre personnages s'etaient affales. Etendue sur la couchette,
Estelle grincait des dents et donnait des coups de poing de tous cotes
en agitant les jambes. Cornaboeux pissait par la portiere. Mony
essayait de retirer son vit du con de Mariette. Mais il n'y avait pas
moyen. Le corps de la soubrette ne remuait plus.
-Laisse-moi sortir, lui disait Mony, et il la caressait, puis il lui
pinca les fesses, la mordit, mais rien n'y fit.
-Viens lui ecarter les cuisses, elle est evanouie, dit Mony a
Cornaboeux.
C'est avec une grande peine que Mony put arriver a sortir son vit du
con qui etait effroyablement serre.
Ils essayerent ensuite de faire revenir Mariette, mais rien n'y fit:
-Merde, elle a clampse, declara Cornaboeux. Et c'etait vrai, Mariette
etait morte etranglee par les jambes de sa maitresse, elle etait
morte, irremediablement morte.
-Nous sommes frais, dit Morny.
...
...
Pendant ce temps, Cornaboeux avait retourne le cadavre dont la face
violette etait epouvantable. Il ecarta les fesses et fit peniblement
entrer son enorme vit dans l'ouverture sodomique. Alors, il donna
libre cours a sa ferocite naturelle. Ses mains arracherent touffes par
touffes les cheveux blonds de la morte. Ses dents dechirerent le dos
d'une blancheur polaire, et le sang qui jaillit, vite coagule, avait
l'air d'etre etale sur de la neige.
Un peu avant la jouissance, il introduisit sa main dans la vulve
encore tiede et y faisant entrer tout son bras, il se mit a tirer les
boyaux de la malheureuse femme de chambre. Au moment de la jouissance,
il avait deja tire deux metres d'entrailles et s'en etait entoure la
taille comme d'une ceinture de sauvetage.
Il dechargea ensuite en vomissant son repas tant a cause des
trepidations du train qu'a cause des emotions qu'il avait ressenties.
Mony venait de decharger et regardait avec stupefaction son valet de
chambre hoqueter affreusement en degueulant sur le cadavre lamentable.
Parmi les cheveux sanglants, les boyaux et le sang se melaient au
degueulis.
-Porc infame, s'ecria le prince, le viol de cette fille morte que tu
devais epouser selon ma promesse, pesera lourd sur toi dans la vallee
de Josaphat. Si je ne t'aimais pas tant, je te tuerais comme un chien.
Cornaboeux se leva sanglant et refoulant les derniers hoquets de sa
degueulade. Il designa Estelle dont les yeux dilates contemplaient
avec horreur le spectacle immonde:
-C'est elle qui est cause tout, declara-t'il.
-Ne sois pas si cruel, dit Mony, elle t'a donne l'occasion de
satisfaire tes gouts de necrophile.
################
Guillaume Apollinaire / les onze milles verges
Chap 4 p53-56
===============================================
Anonymous
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
--------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, An Metet <anm...@freedom.gmsociety.org> wrote:
>Champerty is a gender-neutral pseudonym. And although I am
>male I can't help wondering whether Frog-Admin thought he
>was threatening a woman when he decided to include that
>description of the sexual torture and murder of an 18 year
>old woman.
You don't understand A THING
Julie de Cloris's age is undisclosed, but she is always referred to as
"la petite fille": she is a pre-teen.
And she is not a woman, but a virgin... until her uncle Saint-Fond
sodomized her and forced her father M de Cloris to anally rape her (p
167-169).
>Secure Beer
>(formerly Champerty)
You were supposed to be dead, and resurrection did not help your case.
A.Melon
A.Melon
#######
... Le scelerat encule Julie; les valets contiennent le pere et la
mere pendant qu'il lime le cul de cette enfant. Delcour, arme de son
rasoir, va lentement detacher la tete.
-Sois long, sois tres long, Delcour, s'ecria-t'il, je veux que ma tres
chere niece se sente mourir, je veux qu'elle souffre aussi longtemps
que je la foutrai.
A peine Delcour a-t'il fait sentir le taillant du rasoir, que les cris
de cette malheureuse retentissent de toutes parts.
-Allez, allez dit Saint-Fond bien introduit dans le cul, mais allez
doucement; vous ne concevez pas le plaisir qui me transporte;
penche-toi, Delcour, que je puisse te branler le vit pendant que tu
travailles; Juliette, adorez les fesses de Delcour: il est un Dieu
maintenant a mes regards. Qu'on approche le cul de la mere, je veux le
baiser pendant que je fais assassiner sa fille.
...
La belle tete de Julie tombe enfin comme celle d'une jolie rose aux
efforts redoubles de l'aquilon.
-Rien n'est aussi voluptueux que ce que viens de faire, dit Saint-Fond
deculant le cadavre: on n'imagine pas le resserrement qui resulte,
dans l'anus, de la lente incision operee sur les vertebres du col:
c'est delicieux! Allons, madame, dit-il a la mere, preparez-vous a me
donner le meme plaisir.
...
...
... La salle entiere etait tendue de noir; des ossements, des tetes
Anonymous
Anonymous
Secure Beer
<ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, A.Melon <ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>>>>And let's not forget when Frog-Admin announced that he would make damn
>>>>sure every flood mail arrives if it involved Boscloo.
>>>>
>>>>http://freedom.gmsociety.org/pipermail/remops/2001-March/005821.html
>>>
>>> What is your problem?
>>>
>>> At the time, no remop was filtering the floods at all.
>>
>>Nope they weren't. But none of the others said they'd *help* the flood
>>along and make "damn sure" that the mail bomb arrives if it hurts
>>boscloo.
>
>Are you Boschloo?
One can almost here the fascist voices echoing:
"Are you now or have you ever been a boschloo sympathizer?"
"Do you know friends or family members who know or have
known boschloo or sympathizers of boschloo?"
My comment on your Boschloo strawman is this:
Thomas suffers from schizophrenia. (And sometimes we in
APA-S, alt.security.pgp and sci.crypt suffer from Thomas's
schizophrenia also! Such is the freedom of Usenet.) But I
remained convinced that Thomas is not a newsgroup flooder.
And he has never tried to silence the speech of someone
else the way that Frog-Admin routinely does via the many
"services" that he offers.
>Do you have evidence that Boschloo mailed Frog-Admin, asked his
>address to be dest-blocked, and that FA refused to block his address?
>For eveybody with eyes, Google provides evidence that Boschloo asked
>for the flood, was happy with it, and asked for more.
>
>What would you say of a remop who would block mail against the
>recipient's express wish?
Frog-Admin has, more than any other remop been responsible
for DISHONORING the directives of remailer users' messages.
I am speaking of his practice of aliasing one address for another
whenever it suits him. This is a practice he admits to! Imagine
what other things he does that he keeps covert.
>Frog-Admin has a reputation of great reliability, and he would not
>jeopardize it on such a case.
He's a control freak. He has a reputation for great dishonesty
and an arrogant defiance of anyone or anything that upsets his
"by any means necessary" management of the remailer network's
future.
Additionally, the fact that this post (and any follow-ups to it)
will be invisible to those lemmings who submit to reading
Frog-Admin's news server is testament (albeit a Kafkaesque
testament) to his contempt for freedom of speech. As Noam
Chomsky once said, If you do not believe in freedom
of speech for those you despise then you don't believe
in freedom of speech at all.
That Frog-Admin promotes his "troll-free" news server in
APA-S is an accepted fact. What is being discussed in this thread
is by what means that promotion has been practiced and for
what intended purpose?
Google can keep this one.
--
I support Thomas Boschloo, Richard Christman, Peter Palfrader and
Erik Arneson.
Not part of the flood
>No-Gap wrote:
>> This strikes me as a lot of hot air: FA's offering of a newsfeed, to
>> allow people to read apas without the flood messages, is a natural
>> thing for anybody to do, it seems to me, if he has the capability, and
>> wants apas to be a useful newsgroup. In fact, I am surprised that the
>> other gateway operators haven't offered the same service; it can't be
>> that difficult to do if you have a news server running. And apas is
>> _the_ newsgroup for information about remailers; I'd even say that
>> remops with a news server have a responsibility to provide
>> alternatives when the newsgroup is flooded.
>>
>> It doesn't even make sense to me that Frog-Admin would flood the group
>> just to get people to read it via his news server. I know the theory
>> is that he can then filter his version of apas to get rid of anything
>> critical of him, and, somehow, warp the minds of hundreds or thousands
>> of people. And then what? Does he take over the remailer network?
>> Reveal himself as an alien????
>
>Did you read this entire post comparing the Frog-Admin and the flooder?
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9e86befcbf54bb9f78b4dd73dfac85ba
>%40ecn.org&output=gplain
>
>It's a very convincing indictment of the Frog-Admin...
Everyone can boil an egg.
Not everyone has the urge to write a 900 lines post about how to boil
an egg.
This post is exhibit #1, evidence that somebody is sick and obsessed
enough with FA to have tried to impersonated him/her for all those
years.
In comparison, the posts with ripped FA PGP signature (the first one
about Pangborn, the last one against Christman idiot, and a few
others) pale and are second-rate evidence that someone can easily (and
actually does) imitate FA in a very convincing way. (Those who fell
for such forgeries because they didn't check the PGP signature are
still perfect idiots, but that's another problem, especially for those
using their services).
When somebody picks "ULTIMATE" from FA's stats, reads on-going news
and names Palfrader "THE ULTIMATE LOSER", that's nasty, but looks like
a reasonably witty one-time hit.
When one sees paragraphs indents, gallicisms and other particulars,
faithfully reproduced for 3 long years, day after day, that raises a
suspicion that there are indeed genuine FA production.
Hey: No person would be SICK enough to ape somebody for 3 years, just
for revenge?
The 900 lines post describing how to imitate FA, and the recent
resurfacing of "Champerty" - "Secure Beer" solidified in hate, are
exhibits #1 and #2: such a SICK person DOES EXIST.
and should be put behind bars
<TINFOIL ON>
Frog-Admin himself wrote the incriminating article.
Frog-Admin himself impersonated a resurrected Champerty barking after
him.
Frog-Admin unleashed both because it was the best way to clear his
case.
Frog-Admin already sold his story to Hollywood, it is called "TROLL"
and is worth $millions.
<TINFOIL OFF>
Did you notice how fast the "Sade" and "Apollinaire" stories were
posted, imediately following the "incriminating" anti-Frog post, and
how fast Champerty complained that "his life had been threatened", and
he got an immediate reply with more "Sade" and more "Apollinaire".
Fast. Too fast. Far too fast.
Even with the books by your computer and the scanner ready, it is not
possible.
Such rapid fire was engineered by one single person, and prepared well
in advance.
A.Melon
>I am speaking of his practice of aliasing one address for another
>whenever it suits him. This is a practice he admits to!
When DIZUM is down, aliasing DIZUM's m2news to FROG's saves the post
from the bit bucket and allows the article to be published.
Do you have a problem with others's articles being published?
and he would not
>He's a control freak.
Talk about PROJECTION!
The psychotic megalomaniac who wanted to rule how remops should run
their services, how posters should speak about women, and ultimately
decide which remailers should be allowed...
THAT brown shit of a fascist calls others "control freaks".
Put "Doc Cypher" aka "Secure Beer" aka "Champerty" aka "Ziggy B" aka
"I Sat Your Saddle" aka "Great Guiding Light" aka "Mother of all
Trolls" behind bars.
Floods, trolls and impersonations of Frog-Admin will stop at once.
A.Melon
Zax
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Zax wrote:
> Chain: Random > Frog
> Newsgroup: Some Test Group
> To: mail...@dizum.com, mail...@frogadmin.yi.org,
> mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu
>
> Put a word in the body that is known to be filtered on Frog's News
> Server and see if it appears in a Newsgroup. My point is that if
> he is aliasing all those M2N's and then posting only to his own
> filtered News Server, then your post will never appear on Usenet.
Just for the record; after posting this on 30th Jan, I sent a number
of anonymous messages via various different chains, all terminating
at Frog. Each one had a destination of all three M2N’s listed above.
I put the word Boschloo in the body of each message, knowing that
Frog’s News Server defined that as a filter. The result after 50
hours is that not one of those postings has appeared in the group. My
conclusion therefore is that Frog aliases all these M2N Gateways and
only injects postings into his own filtered News Server. The result
being, that no news postings can terminate at Frog’s Remailer without
being processed by his filters.
Frog, this isn't meant to be an accusation of anything, I’d
appreciate it if you could comment on how correct the above statement
is. I think it’s important for people to understand that their
Anonymous postings via your Remailer are subject to your filters even
if they are not reading from your News Server.
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Nomen Nescio
Don't distort my writing!
It is "ULTIMATE LONER", like in loNely loNer or NYE or *Nix
And Palfrader should eat VEGIES too.
The DIET stuff I got it from the "Maldives Challenge" post by Frog
last July, bastard owes me a keyboard.
I just had to combine it with the old story about Mike Shinn's
anality, back to his first remailer.
At least, I quote and acknowldedge my sources properly.
BWAH
Nomen Nescio
>
>Trigger happy? Or do you think that your post is so fantastic and mind
>blowing that we need to see it multiple times?
Didn't you notice that I exercised my constitutional right to post
under different nicknames and expect to be unnoticed?
"Anonymous" is not "Not Part of the flood"
And be happy that I don't pretend to be the Holy Trinity or Brahma
A.Melon
>Frog, this isn't meant to be an accusation of anything, I’d
>appreciate it if you could comment on how correct the above statement
>is. I think it’s important for people to understand that their
>Anonymous postings via your Remailer are subject to your filters even
>if they are not reading from your News Server.
You don't need to be accused of anything: you willingly provide the
evidence by yourself, on 2 counts, that you are an idiot:
-by using the "Boschloo" word, you make sure FA won't read your post
-you are not able to find any reason why an article would not be
posted, besides aliasing all m2news to the same, filtered one.
EXPERT:
Contrarily to common belief,
an expert is not somebody able to solve complicated problems
an expert is someone unable to find simple solutions
(and he does it for a price)
Tarapia Tapioco
> Just for the record; after posting this on 30th Jan, I sent a number
> of anonymous messages via various different chains, all terminating
> at Frog. Each one had a destination of all three M2N’s listed above.
> I put the word Boschloo in the body of each message, knowing that
> Frog’s News Server defined that as a filter.
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Boschloo
Nomen Nescio
Guess What?
To help impersonation when he was writing his posts aping FA's "writing style",
"Secure Beer" was wearing a "Frog-Admin suit".
Guess which "Frog-Admin suit" Champerty was wearing to help impersonation?
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Sonrisas/Dive/
Nomen Nescio
> Don't distort my writing!
*YOUR* writing?
You're not as creative as you think you are.
> The DIET stuff I got it from the "Maldives Challenge" post by Frog
> last July, bastard owes me a keyboard.
> I just had to combine it with the old story about Mike Shinn's
> anality, back to his first remailer.
"Look, Ma! Little Trolly ate my sentence."
> At least, I quote and acknowldedge my sources properly.
Wannabe Troll still needs sources after 3 years training? You suck.
> BWAH
Right, disgusting.
Nomen Nescio
> Author-Address: tempest <AT> nym <DOT> alias <DOT> net
> Subject: Re: Psychotherapy for Frog
> Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
> References: <a763363a7e4e6fcd...@aarg.net>
[...]
> That said ... I believe Champerty. I hate to admit it, but Frog-Admin
> has indeed been the source of much of the trouble here the last year.
> [...] I certainly don't know what his cause-celebre really is, but I now
> wouldn't touch him, his stats, or his remailer with a ten-foot pole now.
Even ten-foot pole man is still ten-foot pole man after all these years, a
dancing Tempest in the Graves.
Feels like home.
> ***
> SNIP
>
> Tempest, for what it's worth, I apologize for flaming you.
>
> Secure Beer
> (formerly Champerty)
> almostt AT beer DOT com
So sweet.
PING TROLL
Anonymous
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You cheated to make it look like he was lying huh
If you had sent that posting using Frog as the last hop like he
described, then it would have been filtered. Ive been trying it
since he made that posting and none of my messages made it through
Thanks for the info Zax
Anonymous
> blurted:
> uuummm, u suxes...*PLONK*
BREAKING NEWS
Anonymous remailer killfiled in APAS
No brains were hurt
Film at 11
A.Melon
>This entire thread - as it appears on Frog-Admin's news service - is
>seriously distorted. Google is a little better, but I think people should
>read it in its entirety before the X-No-Archived posts vanish from their
>news servers.
That would be a shame, indeed.
The little ping-pong game between yourself (as "Doc-Cypher") and
yourself (as "Secure Beer") belongs to every troll-wannabe textbook.
Maybe "I Set your Saddle", who appeared briefly between the official
disparitions of "Champerty" and "Ziggy B", and the coming of "Doc
Cypher" and "Secure Beer", would like to pop in, say a word or two as
"10 foot pole".
You really deserve your title: "Mother of all Trolls", and you are
really a "Great Guiding Light" to them.
Three years of obsession against FA, who committed the unforgivable
offence of early killfiling of "Ziggy B" and "Champerty". Isn't that a
bit sick? You should really seek psychiatric help, you know. Trying to
impersonate FA and his "writing style"; at the same time, splitting
personnalities between "Secure Beer" and "Doc Cypher". No wonder you
completely broke off.
ATRU
news:2003012922515...@gacracker.org:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, starwars
>><nob...@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote:
>>>apas is always full of trolls and anti-Boschloo and
>>>moaning about Champerty. Where the hell can people have
>>>serious threads about anon servers without having to sift
>>>through all this CRAP?
>>
>>Frog's news server
>> frogadmin.yi.org:119
>>
>>apas, aam, troll/flood-free 90 days retention
>
> You forgot to mention the ability to check if your posts
> made it to the mail2news server on *any* group.
>
> I mean, you gotta cooperate - traffic analysis isn't easy,
> is it?
>
>
> Doc.
Time for an accuracy check, Doc.
1) Not all mail2news posts are anonymous. If you go
to Frog's website and look at the posts there you'll
see some which were not sent through a remailer at all;
2) Frog's web2news can be accessed via anonymizing
proxy. You can indeed "check if your post made it" without
informing Frog-Admin about it.
ATRU
Frog-Admin
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
>In article <Xns9313753872743z...@192.168.0.5>
>Posting through frog reduces the number of possible m2n gateways from 4
>to 2:
>
>mail...@dizum.com \
>mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu -> mail...@frogadmin.yi.org
>mail...@frogadmin.yi.org /
>mail...@freedom.gmsociety.org -> mail...@freedom.gmsociety.org
Wrong calculation
When mail...@dizum.com is down,
mail...@dizum.com is worth 0
you can't count it as a "possible gateway"
When mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu is down (or refuses *any* mail from
Frog),
mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu is worth 0
you can't count it as a "possible gateway"
Aliasing
from "something_worth_0"
to "anything_worth_even_a_little_more_than_0"
is an improvement
BTW, here are my current m2news aliasings
mail...@anon.lcs.mit.edu == mail...@frogadmin.yi.org
mail...@mixmaster.shinn.net == mail...@freedom.gmsociety.org
mail...@nym.alias.net == mail...@frogadmin.yi.org
mail...@zedz.net == mail...@dizum.com
mail2new...@anon.lcs.mit.edu == mail2new...@frogadmin.yi.org
mail2new...@mixmaster.shinn.net ==
mail2new...@freedom.gmsociety.org
mail2new...@nym.alias.net == mail2new...@frogadmin.yi.org
mail2new...@zedz.net == mail2new...@dizum.com
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